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The movement to withhold treatment from the unvaccinated

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It is pernicious, and some are shocked and fighting back:

A growing number of doctors have threatened to withhold treatment from the unvaccinated, sparking backlash from doctors and bioethicists who say such sentiments violate the Hippocratic Oath. Those critics are even more troubled by the silence from professional organizations tasked with upholding medical ethics.

Doctors in Tennessee, Florida, and Alabama have announced they will refuse to treat unvaccinated patients, while Dallas hospital workers reportedly discussed considering vaccinated status when delegating ICU beds. Such comments have infuriated top medical professionals. Dr. Brian Callister, governor of the Nevada chapter of the American College for Physicians, said doctors should never blatantly refuse to treat unvaccinated patients who are otherwise willing to comply with the rules set out by the practice.

“It is absolutely unethical, period, end of story, to not treat a patient in need,” Callister told the Washington Free Beacon. “It is absurd and amoral for any physician to say they will not treat unvaccinated patients.”

Yes, but it is not surprising. The left has taken over the thought processes of a lot of Americans in the last few years. I wonder what the age range tends to be of those who are in the anti-anti-vaxxer movement versus those who, like Dr. Callister, are objecting strenuously to that movement. My guess is that the latter group is considerably older than the former.

Ah, but Sarah Palin was crazy for talking about the possibility of death panels.

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The movement to withhold treatment from the unvaccinated — 52 Comments

  1. Medicine has been shifting left for quite awhile. I remember seeing a decade ago about the American Academy of Pediatrics telling its doctors to question their young patients to find out if mom or dad had guns in the house. And if the answer was ‘yes’ then to report it to the police as it represented a “health hazard”.

  2. It’s a virtual certainty that those championing the withholding of treatment from the unvaccinated are themselves vaccinated. So they are at no risk from the unvaccinated. Any adult who wants to be vaccinated has had plenty of opportunity to do so. Nor are the young at risk.

    If they’re going to condemn people to death solely for noncompliance, then the only rational response is to take as many of the bastards with you as you can, when you go.

    There they go again, playing with fire…

    PS: this is a bit ominous, especially the third and fourth rows: https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/check-the-covid-death-chart-in-karl-denningers-new-piece/

  4. Will obstetricians refuse to care for women who have decided NOT to murder their unborn children?

    Of course not. The Doctors need their money.

    So … follow the money.

    I’m guessing that Doctors and Health Care facilities find treating vaccinated people to be more profitable.

    Why?

    I read today in that far-left rag “The Atlantic” that vaccinated patients require less care. I’d guess, though, that hospitals receive the same amount of remuneration from the Feds for each COVID patient, regardless of vaccine status.

  5. Well, look on the bright side.

    Moral “clarification”

    Certainly, if people can be held responsible for being victims of an airborne contagion they had no hand in creating, those contracting self-induced ailments, such as are suffered by AIDS infected buggers, syphlitics, and type 2 diabetics, can all be safely, and ethically,left to die as well.

    For surely none of those latter classes of people have been as consistently and demonstrably lied to by currently in-place public health authorities, as have been vaccine safety doubters.

    And as a Canadian feminist boldly argued with regard to abortion: some of what we must admit to be human lives, are by the progressive’s own calculus, worth sacrificing for the benefit and convenience of others.

    So, I do love to hear ardent and learned progressives speak. One invariably learns so much. Maybe not that which they intended to convey, but so much all the same.

  6. I’m getting the impression that the people dying from this now are the same cohort who were susceptible before: very old, or having at least one, often two, of the co-morbidities of obesity, blood sugar problems, and uncontrolled hypertension, and low Vitamin D levels as well. The shots seem to reduce, but do not eliminate, the susceptibility.

    Medical people who refuse to treat patients are not worthy of their professional licenses and should be removed from practice..

  7. GB–I’m making a guess that the vast majority of the elderly in Scotland are vaccinated and only a minority are unvaccinated. Thus the discrepancy in the death stats. As to whether the vaccines make a difference, I am absolutely skeptical, but I don’t think they are causing deaths. The overwhelming majority of deaths, vaxxed or unvaxxed, are the very elderly (I’m sort of elderly myself). The manipulation of statistics to frighten the under-50 crowd is criminal.

  8. Among my acquaintances who ought to know better, but get their information from the MSM, there is an absolute belief that people are dropping like flies in Florida and the ICU’s are overwhelmed. This is a direct result of the “get DiSantis” agenda. (It’s the talking point that Slo Joe was supposed to be pushing when he mumbled about “the stuff coming out of Florida”).
    My wife is travelling to Tampa today for work, and despite-or perhaps because of-my efforts to correct the record she is very worried (but is still going) and expects absolute chaos. I will be interested in her impressions when she returns.
    One of the big memes is “rural ICU’s being overrun.” Rural ICU’s are by definition not very large, and every time there is a flu spike they get overrun.

  9. At this point, ICUs in this area of North Carolina (Raleigh/Durham) are at max population. Part of the problem is lack of staff. Vaccine mandates are causing nursing shortages; many younger people don’t want the shots because their risk from the shots is higher than their risk from the virus.

  10. I had the Pfizer vaccine and got quite sick anyway as have several members of my family and friends. I am healthy with no comorbidities. The Pfizer “vaccine” appears to provide some protection from becoming very ill but it also appears to have very little effect on the transmission of the Delta variant and is not really a vaccine at all as the word is commonly understood, which is why the CDC has changed its definition of what a vaccine does.

    Inevitably there will be other resistant variants, against which the current vaccines will be quite useless. That people will be required to take a shot that is without benefit but entails some risk is absolute insanity.

  11. The Othering continues to grow along with its sibling, Us and Them. That will be the end of us, all of us, with our hands wrapped around each other’s throats. I refuse to participate.

  12. It will continue until a court puts the hammer down from a lawsuit. Healthcare is going to get ugly as people will avoid treatment to stay away from the forced Vax.

  13. I wonder if those intent on denying full treatment to the unvaccinated are accounting for this:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/06/07/vaccine-equity-black-americans-biden-491973

    Not every unvaccinated Covid patient it appears, is likely to be a portly, late middle-aged, white male.

    There are no doubt more recent figures on the vaccination rate of Americans, but the last I saw was 51% in August, as reported in USA Today. Earlier news reports stated that Biden was hoping for 70% of adults by July 4.

  14. What’s weird to me is they seem to be talking about not treating the unvaccinated, period. Not denying them treatment for COVID. But for anything. Like how Jimmy Kimmel said, forego the unvaccinated patient having a heart attack… Actually, the fact that people are talking about this turns me against vaccine passports, because of how easily they (or someone’s lack thereof) could be used to deny or delay treatment in an emergency situation.

  16. What about the obese? Going to deny them treatment?
    What about treatment? I’ve seen enough to be confident ivermectin is effective for treatment and as prophylaxis. Hydroxychloroquin is effective as treatment and prophylaxis. But they are ignoring those.

  17. Apparently these people have not heard about EMTALA. (“The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate.”) It is against the law. PERIOD! Of course we now know that the law is no impediment to the left.

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  19. A popular meme going around shows a sad progressive labeled 2020 saying
    “Health care is a basic human right!!”
    And then the same prog with an angry expression labeled 2021 saying
    “No health care for the unvaxxed!!”

    The desperation of the vaccine people is shocking. They are now gearing up to treat the 12-15 year age group. I’ve seen back of the envelope calculations that these kids are in more danger from the car ride to get the Jab than from the virus. Certainly, for them, the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus.

    UK Health Minister yesterday: It’s decided, no vaxx passports.
    Gov’t press release today: Vaxx passports expected this winter.

    Madness.

  20. This should come as no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention for the last year and a half (really, the last 5-10 years).

    Once again: the fundamental law of the left: everything it says and does has one ultimate aim: increasing its power, control and hegemony.

    Unpersoning the unvaccinated is useful to the left’s ultimate aim.

    The left controls or heavily influences virtually all civil institutions in this country, including most professional organizations

    Therefore, these organizations (or, at least their leadership) will either turn a blind eye to, or openly endorse, said unpersoning.

    Medical ethics? How quaint. See above. Any ethical standard must comport to the ultimate aim of the left. Period.

    Sorry, Dr. Callister. Whatever your age, you clearly remain unaware of this paradigm shift. I applaud your resistance, but I doubt it will have much impact

  22. The first ‘doctor’ who goes public with a Twitter Boast about refusing to treat an unvaxed patient who subsequently dies is going to learn some life lessons zhe missed out on back at Eleanor Roosevelt Elementary.

  25. Threaten people’s livelihood, threaten their very lives and the lives of those they love and you court a terrible reckoning.

    You play with fire long enough and you get burned.

  27. “…all bets are off.”

    Hmmm….
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/endgame-begins-evergrande-hires-bankruptcy-advisors-furious-investors-protest-imminent

    Regarding medical ethics, they were thrown out the window when Fauci publicly and with great fanfare referred to the efficacy of using HCQ to treat SARS-like viri (though he—curiously?—didn’t mention the need to add zinc!) as MERELY “ANECTODAL”…and consciously—conscientously?—refused to employ it and any other alternative treatment throughout (effectively condemning, in his case, America to “No Exit” except “MY EXIT”).

    Or when Governors Cuomo, and Whitmer (and like-minded colleagues) decided to saturate the senior residences with COVID patients…and were rewarded(!) for it…though, no the Govs. are not themselves MDs (but who was giving them advice?…not that any of them take any advice necessarily…).

    Regarding “Madness”, indeed, we are living in The Age of Flip-Flop. (Make that, “The Virtuous and Unassailable Flip-Flop”—that is, unless Trump et al. might decide to do it…)

    We have been put on notice and must (TRY to) act accordingly.

  29. I had heard rumors about differing standards of care between vaxxed and unvaxxed and dismissed them as just that, rumors. The very real with holding of therapeutic options is bad enough. Actually, it’s a crime against humanity. Don’t medical practitioners take an oath – First do no harm?
    I have a democrat voting friend – a classic bien pensant – that is unvaxxed and has a ‘home kit’ of therapeutics because she is afraid to go to the hospital if she contracts Covid. She believes she will be discriminated against.
    The medical establishment will not recover this loss of trust in my lifetime.

    Got a text from a friend yesterday about an unrelated matter that ended with ranting about the unvaxxed.
    Replied that self and husband were unvaxxed, that I respected her concerns and politely asked if she would prefer that we avoid physical contact with her for the time being.
    Got a text back apologizing for the rant. Maybe this is the way to push back.

    Had another friend that went to an overnight party with a group of ladies – all vaxxed – 6 are down with Covid. The truth, like the sun, cannot remain hidden forever.

    I used the think the book of Revelation was written by someone on an acid trip, but now, well, Mark of the Beast anyone?
    Anyone?
    We are certainly living in an era of revelation, aren’t we?

    Take names.

  30. @BarryMeislin:

    You should google up Deep Throat IPO on Alibaba Investor Calls. Comedy gold.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2018/08/29/alibaba-investor-call-earnings-shares/

    Needless to say CalPERS and just about every other bunch of thieves are loaded up to the gills with this junk. You can’t really blame the Chinese for Westerners being stupid (not entirely stupid… plenty of criminality around with kickbacks to fund managers — especially D-Team political/union hack types) enough to shovel all their wealth into dodgy paper.

    Plenty of good reading here:
    http://www.deepthroatipo.com/

    Evergrande won’t be pretty and I foresee (zero prescience required) a few Chinamen copping what in Stalin’s Day was called The Noodle. But have no fear, there’s more likelihood of all those millions of Widow Zhous (and a bunch of Plump Princelings) being bailed out with Westerners’ pension funds by circuitous routes than there is of it bringing the CCP down. There’s only one mug in the wider game and that’s Unconnected Whitey. Until such time as there is a house cleaning.

  32. Indeed it looks as though it will NOT be very pretty, nor will “Open Sesame” save the day in this fairytale version—though perhaps “Open Uranium” might do the trick.

    (On the other hand, wouldn’t it be easiest—not that Occam was or will be consulted mind you—to just promote Xi, HIMSELF, up and out of the country? Say, as ambassador plenipotentiary to…um…Pyongyang? with all the perks and benefits that exalted position can provide, etc. e.g., freshest green grass in the country…)

    In my view (generally dodgy at the best of times), everyone outside of China should simply unload their Chinese stocks, pick up the fine art of painting and, after finding a suitable agent, flog their officially-declared masterpieces to those aesthetes who appear to thirst so much for the genre—assuming there’s any money left in the Middle Kingdom to buy such junk….

    (Wouldn’t hurt if those aspiring entrepreneurs changed their surname to Unter, either…)

  34. @BarryMeislin:

    Thing is that Emperor Xi Pooh didn’t do these things. He might be as popular in the West as Vladimir Putin at a Bar Mitzvah (honorable exceptions made for any and all of Roman Abramovich’s relatives), but he has pretty good numbers in China — not that anyone needs to count. But suffice it to say that he’d get a bigger fraction of the votes than Slow Joe in a fair election. What’s one of those, anyway?

    The rot goes back all the way to the Deng Days (*) and got egregiously bad during the time that the Shanghai Faction ran China — i.e. from Senility of Deng through Day -1 of Pooh’s Reign. He’s the Repo Man. Tiddly in the Street knows this and cheers every time he takes down a corrupt local boss or tycoon.

    Getting rid of Xi Jinping (Wan Sui! — wonder if you can guess the Japanese pronunciation of these two characters meaning Ten Thousand Years?:P) isn’t going to make China less corrupt or even more corrupt — it’ll just cop you someone like Bo Xilai the guy he beat to the Brass Ring and locked up for life. And if you think these folks are bad… wait until you meet Bo’s also locked up Wifey. Real charmer.

    Anyway… Good Housekeeping Begins at Home.

    * Or even earlier. I’ve been slightly acquainted with someone whose father worked for Mao’s charming Better Half. Tiddly Pere did very nicely out of going on the earliest post-Nixon’s visit Trade Missions to the US. Was nowhere near a mover and shaker.. more a functionary — just had to have eyes and ears open and half a clue to make out like gangbusters back in those heady days. Why do you think George Bush lined himself up for a year in Beijing in the 70s? 🙂

  35. And from the “So-What-Who-Cares-What-Difference-Does-It-Make?” files…
    …looks like just another “sweet little lie”… (Or maybe they just “took things out of context”…?—that most utilitarian of excuses!!)
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/new-study-suggests-almost-half-all-covid-hospitalizations-january-june-had-mild-or

    Plus…
    In a nutshell? (AKA Greed will get ’em every time, AKA Why China may have—or already has?—effectively subsumed America…)
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/banality-financial-evil

  36. One of the big pitfalls of nationalized healthcare (single payer, NHS, whatever you want to call it) is that since the government pays the bills the government can decide what care is rational. Yes, I mean they believe they have every right to ration care as they are paying for it.

    That’s just the way governments roll. You give the man your money…now it’s his to do with as he sees fit. This is what we now see in Europe. Euthanasia and rationing of care is where national health care leads.

  38. Sadly, I’ve previously seen people advocating denial of medical service to the obese, for example, so this isn’t a new idea; whether it’s gaining traction in the real world (as opposed to the twitterverse) is hard to say. And while we don’t technically have an NHS in the US, with Medicare essentially determining what does or doesn’t get reimbursed, and for how much, we’re not far off.

    On a side note – I’m perplexed by the way they are trying to persuade people on the topic of vaccinations – I recently saw someone complaining that they couldn’t persuade a person to get vaccinated out of concern for others, and thought that the entire approach was wrong. Why are those of us who are vaccinated, vaccinated? I made the decision out of self-interest: the medical evidence indicated that I would be less likely to suffer a severe case of COVID-19 if I did so. Attempting to persuade someone else to get vaccinated “for the greater good” totally ignores human motivation – I don’t care if some random person I’ve never met gets COVID! So the persuasion fails for obvious reasons. And I suspect that continued attempts to persuade this way simply harden the resistance in many cases, since the unvaccinated person perceives that they are being asked to take an action that has no upside for them! Joe Biden complaining that he’s “losing patience” with the unvaccinated isn’t even an attempt at persuasion – it’s just an old man complaining that they don’t serve the type of coffee he likes at the cafeteria anymore.

  39. Barry Meislin–

    Alas, even in Alaska….

    Alaska Airlines is based in … wait for it … Seattle!

  40. NewYorkCentral —

    It’s of a piece with “vote for us, you stupid benighted racists!”

    This guy’s substack was linked from somewhere on Instapundit yesterday:

    Inescapably, the rhetoric around COVID-19 is not a discourse that’s meant to convince. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordering the poors to wear their masks in public with the language, “F*ck your freedom” isn’t meant to convince the poors to wear their masks. It’s meant to degrade, to mark people of a lower status with their assigned place and role. It’s meant as an insult, for the sake of the insult – for the sake of showing who can deliver the insult and who has to take it.

    This language is metastasizing. It appears daily in newspaper editorials and on social media – and in presidential speeches. It’s the language of social degradation, and it has no public health purpose. It exists to signal status, full stop.

    https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/the-revolt-of-the-elites

  41. by eliminating the unvaccinated group it effectively eliminate any possible proof that any mass health issues arise in the future could be caused by vaccine as there would be no unvaccinated group to compare to. If in the future babies born with genetic heart defects increase by 25% after everyone is vaccinated there wouldn’t be any unvaxxed pregnant women having no increased chances of giving birth to children with defects around to compare to so you will never be able to form an hypothesis that vaccine is related to babies birthing with heart defects, and liberals can continue to blame it on guns and climate change.

    Is this why they are pushing 100% vaccination so hard, even on covid survivors with the same protection as the vaccinated?

  44. Dave…”by eliminating the unvaccinated group it effectively eliminate any possible proof that any mass health issues arise in the future could be caused by vaccine as there would be no unvaccinated group to compare to.”

    Well, there are other countries…as well as historical comparisons to the numbers within the US.

  45. Barry, Dave, NYCentral, et al.: Here is a lengthy (takes about half an hour to read) and detailed post regarding mass vaccination against COVID: The author’s conclusion is that

    “The mass vaccination hype will undoubtedly enter history as the most reckless experiment in the history of medicine. It will be cited as the unequivocal proof of how overuse or misuse of man-made antimicrobials leads to antimicrobial resistance, regardless of whether the antimicrobial is an antibiotic or an antibody administered through passive immunization or elicited via active immunization. Mass vaccination campaigns conducted in the middle of a viral pandemic will, for generations to come, become the most sobering example of the boundaries of human intervention in nature in general and of the boundaries of conventional vaccinology in particular. This irrational experiment will unambiguously highlight the clear-cut limitations of conventional vaccine approaches. It will convincingly illustrate that – unlike natural acute self-limiting infection or disease – ‘modern’ technologies alone do not suffice to develop vaccines that are capable of preventing viral transmission or immune escape.”

    The post is highly technical as well as long, but well worth reading:
    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-last-post

    The author is a Belgian vaccinologist who “received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. . . . ”

    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

  46. The first commenter mentioned the leftward shift of physicians in recent years. Much of this shift can be attributed to Obamacare which created a huge incentive for physicians to become employees rather than small business types. The new generation are mostly employees of big corporations with employee mentality and voting patterns. When I began, most doctors were small business people and were used to signing the front of paychecks. The change has been profound, not just in politics.

  47. It’s another indication, in case we needed one, of what the content of portside politics actually is. It is socially-sanctioned aggression. Full stop. Almost nothing else to it.

  48. As I get older, I find myself more and more interesting in the underlying factors that produce problems. Stuff like this seems to stem from too many people growing up with lives that are way, way, WAAAAAAY too soft.

    As others have pointed out, the obvious and inescapable result of refusing to medically treat the unvaccinated is at minimum onerous lawsuits and at maximum murderous retaliation. How sheltered an existence have these people lived to not understand that?

    Mike

  49. Mike K, Great point about Obamacare.

    My local paper had an editorial (actually an author listed op-ed printed in the editorial column; weird) written by a school admin. and a doctor about getting everyone vaccinated.

    One of their points was that we need to get the kids vaccinated down to age 12 now, and probably down to age 5 soon. (The financial news today says that Pfizer is working on vaccinations down to age 6 months.)

    I commented before about how a U.K. health authority has collected the data and done the math and claimed that boys aged 15 to 18 are much more likely to suffer heart problems from a full Pfizer vax than they are to suffer problems from unvaxxed covid. They recommend to not vaccinate boys in this age range. (The Epoch Times online has an extensive section of vaccine news articles.)

    Then days later, the same U.K. agency said they do recommend vaccination for these boys, but only one dose of the Pfizer vax. You see, all the heart complications come after the second dose. And obviously, from the beginning we’ve known that the risk from covid is very low for teenagers.

    Ooohh. Isn’t it a pity that U.S. citizens don’t get the benefit of advanced medical statistics analysis and genuine understanding of the Hippocratic oath? Do no harm.

    Parents take note. One dose only for your teen boys. Of course, the odds are very good that the second dose won’t hurt, … if you like to roll the dice.

    PS: None of the more serious heart problems resulted in death.

  50. As others have pointed out, the obvious and inescapable result of refusing to medically treat the unvaccinated is at minimum onerous lawsuits and at maximum murderous retaliation. How sheltered an existence have these people lived to not understand that?

    Family vendettas never cross their mind. As for the lawsuits, they expect our garbage judiciary to protect them.

  51. NewYorkCentral and Bryan L. make great points.

    My feeling is that there are three main motivations for the political vaccine push. 1) I think NIH, NIAID and other political types have connections to Pfizer and they are fattening the corp. bottom line.

    2) The vast majority of these political elites hop on a commercial plane (OK maybe they are semi-elites) a several times a month. They don’t want to get infected by some unvaccinated bubba or his kid from fly-over country flying in coach.

    The point from NYCentral is correct. They are telling the masses to vaccinate because it is a moral good for the whole community, but in reality the ones doing the coercion are just looking out for themselves. That is why they don’t really care about serious vaccine side effects with children.

    3) Bryan’s point. It’s divisive political class warfare. Elections can be won this way. I expect Gavin Newsome to win his no-on-recall effort, not because he isn’t an horrible governor, but because they made it all about stopping those evil Republicans.

  52. I’m with Dave @11:03. Eliminate the control group.*
    When my vaxxed friends and family say; ‘Being vaxxed will lower the severity of the disease if you have a breakthrough case.’ All I can say is; ‘Who told you that? That nice man who was shooting at you?’
    *Did 15 years on the birth control pill cause my breast cancer? No way to know. Tens of millions of women taking a myriad of different brands and formulations.
    No control group.

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