The feminization of college
This isn’t really a surprise:
Men are abandoning higher education in such numbers that they now trail female college students by record levels.
At the close of the 2020-21 academic year, women made up 59.5% of college students, an all-time high, and men 40.5%, according to enrollment data from the National Student Clearinghouse, a nonprofit research group. U.S. colleges and universities had 1.5 million fewer students compared with five years ago, and men accounted for 71% of the decline.
This education gap, which holds at both two- and four-year colleges, has been slowly widening for 40 years. The divergence increases at graduation: After six years of college, 65% of women in the U.S. who started a four-year university in 2012 received diplomas by 2018 compared with 59% of men during the same period, according to the U.S. Department of Education.
Of course, college has also become an increasingly leftist propaganda experience. Not everyone needs a college degree to work at a good job. But still, this is an ominous trend because it reflects how the left has gone a long way towards destroying education in general.
Note that this trend seems to have begun 40 years ago. That would mean it started in the early 1980s, which is the time of the rise of critical legal studies and critical race theory in academia. I went back to grad school around ten years later, and I was stunned at the changes since I’d left in the 70s.
Hypergamy?
The takeover started in the late 60s and took until the early 80s to have taken control of enough positions that they could start the changes publicly.
Any institution where those inside get to decide who will be allowed in and once in you hardly ever get fired, due to very subjective and loose performance standards, can be taken over by a group that will always vote to let in their own.
Academia is one and was the first target of the “New Left” because from that base all other institutions could be taken next.
Well, to be fair, so many college fields of study these days are filled with garbage courses that unless a male wishes to study STEM work, college isn’t worth it.
The last time I reviewed the data was a half dozen years ago. At that time, what was evident was that the propensity of young men to matriculate at four year institutions had not declined at all. What had happened was that there was an increase in women’s propensity to matriculate not matched by the men.
Here’s a hypothesis: the labor market remains quite segmented. In the sections which are thoroughly stag, the function of sorting, training, and credentialing has yet to be absorbed by higher education, though some does occur in that venue. Women face a labor market where either formal training or a labor market signal is quite valuable for getting in on the ground floor, ergo more likely to matriculate.
Another factor: gutting standardized tests, rendering them less effective for sorting the applicant pool. This benefits sectors who perform better with subjective evaluations (i.e. girls).
Another factor explored by Christina Hoff Summers, Suzanne Garment, and Heather Mac Donald: educational institutions at all levels are hostile environments for young men in a way they are not for young women. That affects the applicant pool and it affects young men’s propensity to stay in school.
Another factor may be plain old favoritism. I have a suspicion that’s quite consequential in regard to admissions to certain professional schools.
At the time I last had a look at the data, what struck me was that in regard to undergraduate degrees awarded, you could see a certain pattern in the ratio of men to women awarded degrees. In the academic realm, men retained a majority in mathematics, computer science, chemistry, physics, and geology. Women had a majority in just about every other subject except, curiously, history. In the vocational realm, men retained a majority in business, engineering, and technology NOS. Women had the advantage in nursing, teacher-training, social work, counseling, etc.
I don’t know much about the world however my, soon to be, first wife who was a brilliant woman who was a ballet major at the University of Oklahoma studying with Miguel Terekhov and Yvonne Chouteau had her toes damaged very badly, kind of like a knee on a quarterback, we got married and took time off for four years in the Army for me and we came back to finish our education where she graduated 2nd in her field of accounting and passed her CPA exam when only two women in Oklahoma passed it that year, 1973. All of the wives of the men who passed were given a bouquet of roses and us two guys were given cigars, different times.
Like Neo, I returned to grad school in the ’90s. It was law school in San Francisco, and while I think most people were Democrats, or liberal, there was nothing woke about the experience, conservative input was sought out by the professors (most of them), the Federalist Society had a branch there, and it was a rich intellectual environment. I thought that the niche of the school was to produce actual working lawyers, and so they focused on “justice justice” rather than “social justice”. It is hard enough to teach the former without junking it up with the later. I believe it had the highest bar exam pass rate in the state during those years.
Sowing the seeds of their own demise.
We all gravitate toward where our interests lie and of course there’s whether we have the talent and drive needed for success.
Then, external factors can of course act to obstruct areas of interest.
“Women had a majority in just about every other subject except, curiously, history.” Art Deco
What possible benefit for women could there be in the study of the patriarchy? Regardless of its eurocentrism and being written by the winners, history records the results of past experience. But the study of results can be greatly disturbing to biases. It’s much more comfortable when we’re certain that our biases are ‘true’. Example; the “right people” have just never been in charge of collectivist solutions.
Couple of contradictory factors: Supposedly, a college degree leads to more income. This is because a number of potentially lucrative jobs require the training and official certification. On the other hand, the net effect of having, say, $100k not in your assets never goes away. It may be overshadowed, but it cannot go away.
So, however you use it, you lose the equivalent of maybe 5% interest annually. At the least, it’s money your parents won’t have to leave to you.
Guys who anticipate trouble with calculus might not go into STEM, which leaves business, whose grads are all over the lot in terms of income.
So how much do you have to make to break even when you don’t have STEM background and can you do it?
Is it worth the effort?
OTOH, when it comes to mate assortment, how important is the sorority reunion?
Ten years out, here’s a guy trying to make junior partner in a law firm, and here’s a guy making $100k driving truck in the Permian Basin. Or whatever power company linemen make. And then…who are the guys with the big forearms and the knuckly hands? What’s a girl to do? And the lawyer’s assets are maybe $150k less than he might have had otherwise.
It might be instructive to watch at a main street/through highway in your town to count the number of trucks carrying some kind of tradesmen to their next job.
Comparing college and non-college incomes requires a kind of finesse. It is necessary to count the guys with the mental horsepower, self-discipline, and long-term planning abilities…who went another way than college. Not just everybody
What possible benefit for women could there be in the study of the patriarchy?
Men had only a slight advantage in degrees awarded in history. What was odd to me is that history is not a math-intensive subject, and women predominated in all other verbal subjects. (Geology may be less math-intensive than the physical sciences, but it’s an appealing subject for the athletic, and that may provide a counter-valing vector). Among the natural sciences, girls predominate in biology. (Girls predominate in psychology, as well, but the degree awards do not readily indicate who among psychology majors was oriented toward experimental psychology, or tests-and-measurements, or cognitive science,or neuroscience, or child development and family relations, or psychopathology &c).
It’s not just that the college environment is unpleasant for men and that the primary and secondary public educational systems are unfriendly for males and are run overwhelmingly by militant females.
There’s the COST of college education / burden of student loans.
Women:
(a) Get to marry Boring Bob from Accounting after partying all their 20s… Guess who gets to work the insane hours to pay off his *and* Becky’s student loans while she scoots around in an X5 with kids’ soccer camp stickers on the back? Vanishingly small number of men get cash and prizes for having a pulse and functional apparatus.
(b) Massive. True. Never honestly reported about: Women can prostitute themselves in various ways to pay their way through college. Even easier today than it ever was before thanks to various apps. How many Twinks could David Geffen put through Caltech? 😛 Probably all of them. But why would he?
Re Biology: I would say that girls predominate in undergraduate biology. I guess a lot end up becoming ¡Science! Teachers. At the cutting edge, good chunk of biology today is computational, so would expect males to predominate there for now. There’s a confounding factor in that as a technologically fashionable field becomes more developed and the tool chains more established, the wimminz move in to stake out turf and take over the ‘Ethics’ side and start accusing everyone of sexual harassment, etc. This is a noticeable trend in the Deep Learning field of late.
Most women shouldn’t be anywhere near an institution of (once) Higher Learning. That goes for most men, too. But women more so. Credentialism is an ever-growing curse.
@RichardAubrey:
“OTOH, when it comes to mate assortment, how important is the sorority reunion?
Ten years out, here’s a guy trying to make junior partner in a law firm, and here’s a guy making $100k driving truck in the Permian Basin. Or whatever power company linemen make. And then…who are the guys with the big forearms and the knuckly hands? What’s a girl to do? And the lawyer’s assets are maybe $150k less than he might have had otherwise.
It might be instructive to watch at a main street/through highway in your town to count the number of trucks carrying some kind of tradesmen to their next job.”
You’re absolutely correct. Perhaps 20% of females at age 50 would look back and wistfully agree with you. 20% Max. But they still didn’t do the smart thing.
Traditional societies knew that women (and young hormonal men for that matter) rarely do the smart thing, and therefore strictly limited their say in the matter of choice.
I think the most pernicious advice ever given in the last 75 years has been to distrust elders and to learn by experience (=mistakes). Do we have more than one lifetime to learn in? Tradition is Accumulated Life-blighting Mistakes Avoidance, amongst other things.
Women can prostitute themselves in various ways to pay their way through college.
Actual prostitutes are supporting their taste for street drugs.
The girls you knew at 20 wouldn’t date you because you’re a creep.
I guess a lot end up becoming ¡Science! Teachers.
There are 1.6 million middle and high school teachers, leaving aside VoTech and special education instruction. A stock of that dimension can be replenished with somewhat north of 70,000 new entrants. About a quarter are employed as coaches, art teachers, and music teachers. You have about five academic departments in a typical school. So, replenishing your stock of each coarse subject requires about 11,000 new entrants per year. Over 140,000 baccalaureate degrees in the natural sciences are awarded each year and the subject training of many middle and high school teachers is deficient. The % who will have more than glancing contact with primary or secondary school science classes is in the single digits.
A black guy called Obsidian (IIR), who used to write and comment at several blogs, said that in his experience, black women who had a college degree, no matter how lame that degree, would not consider marrying a man who lacked a degree, even if he were a highly skilled and compensated tradesman or small businessman.
He also said, “Watch out, white guys…if this hasn’t happened yet in your world, it will.”
@David Foster:
Female Hypergamy is a thing. Briffault’s Law is a Thing. Managerialist self-awareness as a distinct and new(is) Class is a thing.
Sexual Selection (and in the absence of violent conquest, it’s always the Female who chooses) has an evolutionary logic all of its own and is not remotely interested in our civilization as currently constituted.
At the cutting edge, good chunk of biology today is computational, so would expect males to predominate there for now.
About 46% of the life scientists employed outside of academe are female. About 53% of the research degrees in biological and biomedical sciences conferred in 2018 went to women. In 1997, the proportion was 42%
@ArtDeco:
You’ve managed to get through life without taking off the blinkers. Nice going.
I remember Obsidian. He was annoying on a couple of subjects.
I just finished watching on youtube the Sept 14, 2001 prayer service in the National Cathedral. Not sure what I’d have had to shoot up to imagine where we’d be today.
Female Hypergamy is a thing. Briffault’s Law is a Thing. Managerialist self-awareness as a distinct and new(is) Class is a thing.
People recycling potted popular science literature is also a thing.
You’ve managed to get through life without taking off the blinkers. Nice going.
You’ve managed to get through this life thinking you knew something other’s didn’t. You’re not a preceptor; you’re a pest.
It’s still possible to get an education, even if the public schools and universities are increasingly pathetic. Our forefathers managed to educate themselves under more challenging conditions than these. If most schools are on their way to becoming diploma mills, it will be more challenging to find a way to convince future employers or collaborators of a particular student’s talents and accomplishments, but the information a student needs is only getting cheaper and easier to access for students with a genuine desire to learn. They don’t have to borrow huge piles of money for what amounts to an introduction to the Best People and four years of socializing and excessive intoxication.
In other news, the Theranos Yuuuuge Humungous Gigantic Scientific Wimmin Ted Talk Triumphant Financial Fraud Trial begins this week.
Scuttlebutt is that Elizabeth Holmes plans to blame it all on her ex-Bonk, one Ramesh Balwani. She’s also popped out a strategic kid this year and doubtless would like to line another one up shortly in order to Plead Her Belly… I guess the “Oppressed Woman” card is the modern version of pleading “Benefit of Clergy” if the Motherhood bit doesn’t swing it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleading_the_belly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_of_clergy
Anyway it ought to be an entertaining trial. What’s really amazing is how many of the Cloud People she hoodwinked back in her glory days. Some of these idiots really seem to believe the Big Lies.
Many female biology majors are, or hope to be, pre-med, and women are now a slight majority of medical students.
In 15 years, they will be a majority of physicians, although their tendency to work fewer hours, see fewer patients, take more time off, and retire earlier will lessen the impact of this.
They will also likely continue to go into the softer specialties (pediatrics, OB-Gyn, primary care) that pay less.
They will definitely continue to complain that female physicians earn less than male physicians.
Neo: “I went back to grad school around ten years later, and I was stunned at the changes since I’d left in the 70s.”
Like you, and many others, I was also a returning student, although in my case it was undergrad in 1980 and grad school in 2004. I wasn’t quite stunned as I had expected some differences (and I had prepared myself for the changes to be negative); but, it was still very disappointing at how the left had taken over the campus.
For example, when I was an undergrad I only heard the overt partisan political rantings of one professor in those 4 years; yet in grad school I knew the political affiliation of over half of my professors. They didn’t hold back on anything that might marginalize any of their students who might not follow the same political beliefs. It was more of an attitude that those on the right are stupid and wouldn’t be in grad school anyway.
For one of my electives I took a history course about medieval European history – which I loved BTW – but was given a B+ instead of an A because I didn’t include in my term paper any Marxist interpretation on the lives of Cathars living in the French Pyrenees. For whatever it is worth, in my viewpoint, there was little to no “class struggle” among them as they were all sheepherders living in the mountains. There wasn’t a noble elite and there were no serfs – everyone raised sheep for a living except the village priest who, while a representative of the Church in Rome, was secretly a Cathar leader. So, there really wasn’t a need to do a “Marxist interpretation.”
Or another class in which the professor had us write a term paper (counting as 60% of our grade for the semester) about George W. Bush’s “no child left behind” policy and how it failed. First off, in my opinion it could not be consider a success or failure since it had only started. Programs like that might take a couple of years of execution before they can really be considered worthy of evaluation. But, no matter, we had to explain what made it a failure (and as most of us guessed by the professor’s attitude, don’t you dare say that it was anything but a failure).
Or the day that 3 classes in a row the professors started class by talking enthusiastically about a “grass-roots” movement called “Move On” (The George Soros funded organization). Each of those professors spoke as if they had just heard about it personally and thought it was great that there was a grass roots movement to counter Bush. Ha! They didn’t realize how it sounded to those of us in all three of those classes – they had been told about it in a faculty meeting and were clearly told to “get the word out to your students.”
These are just a couple of examples that disappointed me; I could continue (but, don’t want to bore anyone). What made it so disappointing wasn’t just that I felt like I was missing out on something (I clearly was); but, that there was no dissenting from the orthodox view. It was the attitude that this is the way ALL smart people think and if you don’t think like us then you cannot be smart. Higher education was no longer about examining ALL viewpoints and coming to conclusions based upon empirical data. There was a right way to interpret thoughts or to view the world and no other way mattered. There were no sudden teachable moments; just opportunities to indoctrinate. It was “we are the elite and to join us you have to think this way.”
Since I jumped into grad school fulltime I didn’t want the first year to be wasted money if I dropped out; so, I stuck it out to get the credentials instead of getting a proper graduate school education. Those I truly feel sorry for are the undergraduates who now have to put up with this kind of nonsense and are denied a proper “classical liberal” education.
@WestTexasIC:
Good point re the pre-med.
Random data point. Militantly Feminist Female relative just out of medical residency some years back when another relative admitted to hospice sat extended family down and warned them to tread very carefully around the nurses (very few Penis People employed in this establishment in that capacity) as they could and would take it out with total impunity on patients (mostly passive-aggressive neglect, one gathered) if they had any run-ins with visitors/relatives. Mind you she only said that because blood thicker than water. Caring Professions.
It’s not that women are the source of all evil. They’re not. But much evil-doing big and small goes down when they’re mythologized as the Source of All Good.
I’m off to the Dental Hygienist this afternoon. Fortunately am 100% confident she doesn’t read this here blog.
“Female Hypergamy is a thing.”
And it is getting to be a problem. A number of educated women are not finding mates, because of the relative dearth of similarly and better credentialed males.
My college days were in the Stone Age. But the beginnings of the progressive movement were seedlings then. In looking at my graduation year year book, I can see that the “big men and women” on campus – at least by dint of being celebrated in the year book as Young Leaders – were all social studies and pre law students who were activists in the school news paper, in student government and in bringing leftist speakers to campus.
Students in the STEM courses were not represented in the “Young Leaders” or “Pacesetters”. Also not mentioned in that category were most athletes. It was students that were activists that got the most plaudits.
I find most conservatives and libertarians just want o live their lives and not try to control other people. People who are activists seem to have an axe to grind and they want to influence others. Add to that tendency, a near religious belief that they are right, and you have what we see today in college s today.
It took a long timer for it to happen, but eventually the emphasis on “Young Leaders” and the desire to see women join the ranks of the professionally employed, begot what e have today.
When I was a kid, (1933-1950) none of my classmates had a mother who worked. My mother, who owned a hair salon and worked there, was an oddity. If she was alive today, she would wonder why more women aren’t content to be stay at home wives and mothers, a role she would have traded her hair salon for in a minute.
It’s pretty hilarious to think the Long March through the institutions is going to be foiled by a bunch of dropout incells who leave the rat race to women.
Well._.it will be funny until the damage caused by women seeking from politics what they can’t get from men intersects with a generation of slacker dudes hitting 40 and realizing they’re just poorer, weaker versions of their own fathers.
Take that stew of desperation, self-loathing, and anger and then toss in an energetic demagogue. The same college-educated white women who voted against Trump will end up orgasmically cheering for someone infinitely more abhorrent.
Mike
It’s pretty hilarious to think the Long March through the institutions is going to be foiled by a bunch of dropout incells who leave the rat race to women.
As we speak, 53% of all employed persons are male. Women have a slight advantage among those 16.0-19.9 (50.3%); men are the majority in all other age categories. IIRC, the proportion of the working population in 1995 which was male was 54%.
Ratio of men to women, baccalaureate degrees awarded, 2018.
Agriculture and natural resources: 0.86
Architecture and related: 1.15
Biological and biomedical sciences: 0.61
Business, management, marketing: 1.13
Computer and information sciences &c: 4.00
Education: 0.22
Engineering and engineering technologies: 3.77
Registered nursing: 0.14
Criminal justice and related: 1.10
Mathematics: 1.36
Physical education and related: 1.05
Physical sciences and science technologies: 1.5
Psychology: 0.27
Social work: 0.13
Master’s
Architecture &c: 0.92
Business &c: 1.08
Computer and information science: 2.08
Education: 0.28
Engineering: 2.87
Public Health: 0.28
Registered nursing: 0.13
Psychology: 0.25
Research or 1st professional
Biological sciences &c: 0.86
Medicine: 1.1
Osteopathy: 1.09
Pharmacy: 0.61
Physical therapy: 0.59
Veterinary medicine: 0.25
Nursing practice: 0.13
Law: 1.0
Mathematics: 2.58
Physical sciences &c: 1.9
Psychology: 0.36
When I was a kid, (1933-1950) none of my classmates had a mother who worked.
In 1949, 29% of the working population was female. As late as 1970, the median age for a new mother was 21.4 years. Someone’s mother must have been working in 1949.
A number of educated women are not finding mates, because of the relative dearth of similarly and better credentialed males.
Three young men among our shirt-tails were at least as well credentialed as the women they married and were better earners. One of the women left her husband after 28 months (ran off with a bf); another couple separated after 39 months (the 2d time the husband caught the wife cheating), and the third woman left her husband after 20 months (explanation: “she’s been really depressed” – so at age 27 she went through her 2d divorce). Here’s a hypothesis for further exploration: the credentials gap is not what’s driving resistance to marriage. (One demoralizing thing about these tales is that various people in the social circle of the women involved regard the behavior of these women as if it were a weather event).
@Art @0228-
Woman=/=Mother, not even in 1949.
The one classmate’s mother in my cohort whose mother worked was a definite standout.
The preferred term for a woman in the workforce, especially in a white collar position, was “career girl.” Definitely not one whose career made her a working, married mom.
There were of course exceptions, but the vast majority of the 29% you refer to were not married, or recently married and childless.
“That would mean it started in the early 1980s, which is the time of the rise of critical legal studies and critical race theory in academia.”
Also of note, in 1979 Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education. Coincidently, the quality of education seems to have gone down since then.
With the average age of people in the trades (plumbing, electrician, carpenter) somewhere in the 50’s there is tremendous opportunity for young people to engage in and develop a long lasting, well paying career. A college degree that is of dubious value and comes with significant financial debt is poor competition for many people, particularly young men. Especially when you consider all the other negatives detailed by Neo and the commenters.
Zaphod, Bruce Hayden…the manner in which Hypergamy operates is dependent on the perceived status hierarchy in a society. In our present society, status as perceived by women (on average) is pretty closely linked to educational credentials. In England in 1790, land ownership and family background would have been much more important.
Tom Watson Jr, the longtime head of IBM, mentioned in his excellent autobiography that as a teenager, he had a major crush on a girl in the same town…whose mother would not allow her to go out with him. Why? Despite the fact that IBM was already a famous and very profitable company, the Watsons were not an ‘old family’ and hence did not qualify for dating and mating.
Today, the old-family metric would be much less relevant in most circles.
Also of note, in 1979 Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education. Coincidently, the quality of education seems to have gone down since then.
No, Congress assembled it out of a mess of agencies and programs already in existence. Troublesome federal policy antedated Carter. The one thing that may have changed was that the ‘Office for Civil Rights’ was more active in litigation than the offices which antedated it. (There was an article on this in The Public Interest ca. 1983: “Desegregating or Debilitating Higher Education”.
Tom Watson Jr, the longtime head of IBM, mentioned in his excellent autobiography that as a teenager, he had a major crush on a girl in the same town…whose mother would not allow her to go out with him. Why? Despite the fact that IBM was already a famous and very profitable company, the Watsons were not an ‘old family’ and hence did not qualify for dating and mating.
Today, the old-family metric would be much less relevant in most circles.
Actually, completely irrelevant today and one might wager quite retrograde even at the time (ca. 1936 in Broome County, NY).
Art Deco said:
“Here’s a hypothesis for further exploration: the credentials gap is not what’s driving resistance to marriage.”
My family must be an outlier. My blue collar, factory foreman, father married my double Masters mother right after WWII and they stayed married, and in love, for life. My wife of 21 years now has a Masters and I was blue collar, mechanical-electrical-electronic repair and maintenance, until retirement. Fully expect it to be till death do us part.
“It was the attitude that this is the way ALL smart people think and if you don’t think like us then you cannot be smart.”
That is part of the core of their attitude problem. I also think that they know in some sense that they are frauds in the intellectual realm. They could not compete with the faculty of 35 years ago. A key indication that I noted started happening about 15 years ago as more of these sort of faculty were hired at my school in the signature line attached to their emails. They all looked like:
Dr. Joan Smith-Wilson, BA, MA, PhD
Associate Professor of Literature
Podunk Fellow of Feminist Studies
They HAD to make sure the world knew of their almighty credentials and accomplishments. And yes, the majority of them are women. The harpies have taken over academia.
@DavidFoster:
No arguments with your statements. But it’s not all of it. Some considerations in the current year:
(1) Women are rewarded for ‘Trading Up’ — No-fault/Zero-stigma/cash+prizes Divorce.
(2) Gamified Mobile Apps Tech permits women to play the Dating Game during all their waking hours. It’s not just the dopamine hacking, it’s that There’s Always A Better Man lurking in the next 100 Tinder swipes.
(3) (2) + Hypergamy –> 80-90% of young women happily banging 10-20% of the top men… at least until they hit the wall in early 30s and settle for Bob From Accounting and the X5 and 2.1 kids and soccer. And Good but Boring Bob is likely in for a world of Divorce Court Duluth Model pain when his wife has got her 2.1 kids and still pines for all those top 10% guys she had in her 20s and decides to go for a last throw of the dice Eat Pray Love binge on his tab.
Re women all going for top 10-20%… Demonstrable from app big data stats that women have no problem serially sharing the top of the tree guys.
(4) Back in the Day, women’s sexual selection options were limited by geography and social circle and lack of anonymity. These constraints no-longer apply.
IIRC some individual excreted the term ‘Incel’ in the thread above. I just love it when so-called ‘Conservatives’ adopt the nomenclature of our degenerate enemies. Point (3) is *why* there’s a large cohort of youngish men not getting any and with few prospects of finding a mate and starting a family. The term ‘Incel’ and the scorn surrounding it just plays into the tide of young female degeneracy which is a factor contributing to Decline of the West.
All-in-all supposed sexual liberation might be fun in the moment, but there’s not much to be said for it in terms of keeping a civilization going.
Interestingly, I think that it’s far gone enough to cause some real problems in China — aside from delayed effects of One Child Policy. Time will tell.
‘As we speak, 53% of all employed persons are male.‘
Did you miss the information at the start of this discussion?
“U.S. colleges and universities had 1.5 million fewer students compared with five years ago, and men accounted for 71% of the decline.“
We all know you’re proud of all the data you’ve accumulated over the years, but you don’t have to be so defensive when someone else introduces new data to the conversation.
Mike
With the average age of people in the trades (plumbing, electrician, carpenter) somewhere in the 50’s there is tremendous opportunity for young people to engage in and develop a long lasting, well paying career.
AFAICT, the Bureau of Labor Statistics does not publish data on the median age of those following each occupation they track. They do publish a summary assessment of the future employment outlook in occupations. Expected growth in employment (2023-30) is as follows
Plumbers: 5% (deemed below average)
Electricians: 9% (deemed average)
Carpenters: 2% (deemed below average).
Median annual cash compensation for Plumbers is about $56,000 a year; for Electricians, $57,000 a year; for Carpenters, $50,000 a year. (Employee fringes across the whole of the labor force average $13,000 in value).
…And if the difference was men in favor of women, oh, lordy, the caterwauling we’d hear….
We all know you’re proud of all the data you’ve accumulated over the years, but you don’t have to be so defensive when someone else introduces new data to the conversation.
I’m not defensive at all outside your imagination.
FTE fall enrollment was 15.95 million in 2010 and fell to 14.8 million in 2018, for a 6.6% decline. F/t fall enrollment fell by 8.6% and p/t fall enrollment fell by 3.6%. Undifferentiated enrollment fell 6.7% for men and 6.2% for women.
I’m not sure what’s up there. The size of birth cohorts did not vary much over the period running from 1988 to 1997.
Note that this trend seems to have begun 40 years ago. That would mean it started in the early 1980s
This is why I came from Bronx Science and could NOT get college…
without money, alumni parents, etc… no scholarships either
oh, there WERE scholarships i could APPLY for
but none of them were willing to get attacked for CHOOSING an evil white male who feminism first tagged as the worst, and so changed movies, and everything to lead to where we are now
The biggest camel (toe) nose inthe door was feminsm…
and now… oh boy… China is reforming for the war…
[and yet, the people supporting a move to that kind of government do not see what will happen to themselves if they succeed – akin to a blind person sawing a branch on the wrong side they are sitting on]
China now is doing what i have said for decades they could always do
present themselves one way, and in a flash, convert and change under single order to change… like the government limiting game time for kids…
or…….
As China’s tech moguls compete to donate more to President Xi Jinping’s campaign against inequality, “Xi Jinping Thought” is taught in elementary schools, and foreign games and apps like Animal Crossing and Duolingo have been pulled from stores.
A dizzying regulatory crackdown unleashed by China’s government has spared almost no sector over the past few months. This sprawling “rectification” campaign – with such disparate targets as ride-hailing services, insurance, education and even the amount of time children can spend playing video games – is redrawing the boundaries of business and society in China
This is clearly not a sector-by-sector rectification; this is an entire economic, industry and structural rectification,” said Jude Blanchette, who holds the Freeman Chair in China Studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
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Male Chinese celebrities known for their androgynous style have also become a threat in Beijing’s eyes. Last week, regulators ordered broadcasters to encourage “masculinity” and put a stop to “abnormal beauty standards” such as “niangpao,” a slur that translates to “sissy men.”
“The party does not feel comfortable with expressions of individualism that are in some ways transgressive to norms that it puts forward,” said Rana Mitter, a professor of modern Chinese history and politics at the University of Oxford. “The party-state makes it clear that it has the first and last word on what is permitted in mass culture.”
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Internet users criticized the order against “sissy” culture as state-sponsored homophobia. “Sissy men will not harm the country, but prejudice and narrow thinking will,” said one comment that was censored on WeChat after getting more than 100,000 views.
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Regulators on Wednesday summoned Tencent and Netease over their online gaming platforms, ordering the companies to eliminate content promoting “incorrect values” such as “money worship” and “sissy” culture.
“What these events tell us is that a monumental change is taking place in China, and that the economic, financial, cultural, and political spheres are undergoing a profound transformation – or, one could say, a profound revolution,” wrote Li Guangman.
The essay, picked up by China’s state media outlets, prompted comparisons with a 1965 article that launched China’s chaotic decade-long Cultural Revolution, and left even some in the party establishment worried.
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So try to square this circle…
Feminists say communism offers them the success and leadership they want (but there are almost no women in the politburo compared to the capitalist congress…)… they feel abortion in communist countries is better than the unconstitutional assertions of their state governments (and in china you used to be grabbed off the street and aborted and sterilized against your will)
LGBTQ is fighting for communism too…. and fight against the US which they hate in favor of Islam, which would kill them as unfit… and favor china, which would do what to them till they learned to change (or else)… after all… “niangpao” is not a kind term… in one fell swoop, all that Hollyweird is doing in film just went down the toilet!!! their recent films as of now, cant be seen in China due to their woke stance on characters sexual orientation and misattributing their new found social place to communisms work… [but they never ask: what does one do with a disposable convienient tool that does harm, but thinks it doesn’t once it has finished the job that caused tolerance? ]
but the BEST funniest group is antifa, blm, etc..
they do not realize that once they win, which they will (cause no one is stopping things like what just happened in california thanks to veritas) as there is really no opposition to them that matters given feminists and political protection.
Remember the push pop i explained over a decade ago? the state holds one side down while allowing the side they are using to be popped up top… then, when they are done using them and the legal system is changed and the public has nothig within the power structures to push back on… THEN WHAT?
you can see it now… they win, they celebrate, and a week later they are counter revolutionaries as the new communist government charges them for school (does not allow loans), favors billionaires that use their money to fund the leader… the police are funded and part of the military… when a altercation happens they appear in large numbers… the persons who are taken disappear forever or for a while… anyone who wants to protest on their behalf can join them… their video games have limits on them… their phones will spy on them… their leaders disappear… or like in Tianeman, are found to have induced them into cannon fodder and are, like toilet paper, disposable…
but then suddenly… they find out that such protests are considered..
…..Treason.
…..Separatism.
…..Armed rebellion, rioting
…..Collaborating with the enemy
All death sentences…
when they light up on 4/20… the park is surrounded…
they are sent to a camp to learn not to use, while their friends they buy or grow with get death penalty
…..Smuggling, dealing, transporting or manufacturing drugs
They get a bill for their school loans they had not paid yet..
and a note that says, given the time, they have stolen or embezzled from the state / another capital offense
then they find out that the millionaires and billionaires still exist… as long as they give generously..
By one estimate around six or seven million Chinese, about 5 percent of the population, had assets of $100,000 in the mid 2000s. This is considered rich by Chinese standards. As of 2004, there were an estimated 10,000 Chinese with assets over $10 million
then the teachers who are now indoctrinating and scaring kids then go back to work… they find a person in uniform in the class… each class… and if they deviate from the plan given… they go to prison..
oh, and the press? that’s going to be fun… a veritable circus maximus where the state always wins
they want to write interesting articles… but the last two that did that disappeared… not got fired..
not went to get a new job, but gone… no one has heard from them… no one knows if they are in prison or dead
[anyone remember the protesters in Hong Kong? they are gone… ]
oh, then comes the pollution… all the regulations that stopped the poisoning of air and such go away..
winning against the other socialist states becomes the point..
then the draft and compulsory service (not so much since enough “volunteer”)…
wait.. if Corona virus hits… what do we do when they weld grandma into the apartment so she starves to death?
[yes.. they did that… it wasnt a lie… ] we complain about cuomo, but cuomo never welded people into their homes
oh… us who have more experience than the kids being used, the women who have destroyed their lives and the ning pao who have revealed themselves and can never hide again… will be highly entertained as the people crying for “justice” get justice.
Russia and China take education seriously, and their programs are rigorous. Russia graduates as many engineers and scientists as we do, with half our population, and they are better educated than ours. China graduates an order of magnitude more engineers and scientists than we do. In addition, about one-fourth to one-third of all the graduate students in our STEM programs are Chinese nationals.
We do not operate alone in the world. For some time we have been running on the momentum we got from WW II. We now lag substantially behind both Russia and China in many areas of technology, especially those with military applications. We also lag behind (are inferior to?) them is social cohesion, government sanity, and public morality.
A degenerate, debauched society will eventually become occupied by others.
Would a White man be better off governed by the Taliban or by our current Progressives?
PS. The Taliban are caucasian by race and Indo-European by language.
…And if the difference was men in favor of women, oh, lordy, the caterwauling we’d hear….
Differences of that magnitude in re baccalaureate granting colleges and universities were on that order in 1928. Other sorts of tertiary schooling varied. Women were the mode among the students at normal schools and teachers’ colleges. Hospital nursing schools were almost exclusively female. Professional schools (theology, medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, law) were predominantly male.
“some individual excreted the term ‘Incel’ in the thread above.“
Dude, unbunch your panties. “Incel” is a word used and popularized by those guys themselves. No one calls them that. THEY call THEMSELVES that.
Mike
Russia graduates as many engineers and scientists as we do, and they are better educated than ours. China graduates an order of magnitude more engineers and scientists than we do.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/%22Citation_needed%22.jpg
In addition, about one-fourth to one-third of all the graduate students in our STEM programs are Chinese nationals.
Per the digest of education statistics, master’s degrees conferred in 2017 were as follows:
Agriculture &c: 6,843
Architecture &c: 7,883
Biological sciences: 16,282
Communications technologies: 559
Computer and information sciences: 46,553
Engineering: 52,876
Engineering technology: 7,406
Mathematics and statistics: 9,082
Physical sciences and science technologies: 7,136
Which sums to 155,000 master’s degrees awarded
About 11,400 degrees were awarded to Orientals and East Indians, or 7.3% of the total.
About 119,000 master’s were awarded in ‘health professions’, of which 7.9% went to Orientals and East Indians.
If you’re looking at professional and research doctorates, the picture differs modestly.
Engineering: 7.3% are awarded to ‘asians’
Computer and information science: 5.8%
Mathematics and statistics: 7.3%
Biological sciences: 9.4%
Physical sciences: 5.4%
‘Health professions”: 17.3%
It may come as a surprise to you, but there are people in the catch-all category ‘Asian’ who are not Chinese nationals.
Men are abandoning higher education in such numbers that they now trail female college students by record levels.
they are not “abandoning” they were pushed out by unfair methods of competing..
ie… i would have had to earn a higher than 100% on my SATs to be accepted over the people who did get to go to college… (and what did this multiplied out by thousands of best in class do to our productive future? who knows? who knows if newton was killed early would we still be where we are?)
lack of scholarships
teachers since childhood saying the boy is evil, a racist, ignoring their participation, targeting them (as the 4chan revealed in a teachers thing where feminist teachers revelled on how they hurt boys to help girls)
as i said a long long long time ago
why run a race your not allowed to win?
why not sit around, do nothing, commit crimes, and let the ladies pay for your life with taxes?
the ladies now do their housework, the kids, and jobs…
the men are free to not bother with them, live great lives of low economy, and have the taxes that are going up, voted in by the ladies and their compatriots, pay for their home and food… one can always attack the people with money that are too weak to defend themselves, have no guns and augment the state
the men have decided not to even marry these women..
ie. the ladies self exterminated their lineages (which they were taught had no value – ie. their kids have no value – ie. abortion on demand, right?)
fertility is so low, we need open borders to get warm bodies in!!!!!
we need warm bodies so when people look at totals they do not notice that 300 million is really 200 million with 100 million influx over 25 years to the point that english is going away… and all the ladies children are now evil racist boys or factories capable of having evil racist boys as a production item.
bed
see bed
lay in bed
us older people? i see they are giving up..
they are dying and really don’t give a shit about fixing things for people who dont want them to fix things and hate them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its a done deal anyway…
there is nothing anyone can do to change this course
There just isnt enough women to oppose the communist feminists and their social army..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH7wCjwvlCE
ladies are now writing songs about it…
we ignored Bonnie Tyler who said she needs a hero..
now we pay attention to dead singers and not the message todays pained crooners reveal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think this version is interesting:
Conchita Wurst – Where Have All The Good Men Gone [Official Audio]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quyNSfq9Rg4
Ladies are storing their eggs for men that dont exist.. how sad.. no?
Ladies who stored their eggs are finding out the viability is really low…
and are shocked… shocked..
ladies are complaining how young ladies take their men and fool aroudn the way they wished they coulds till do… ha!
Where Have The Good Men Gone? Kay S. Hymowitz [behind pay wall]
but to follow up:
ok… so as men, if they are better at everything… let them do it all and we can have fun… and they can have what they wanted… a room of their own without a man or children… (did they put a window or door in, i never got to ask the feminist author).
to quote the analysis:
Hymowitz was trying to say her opinion, but also trying to stay away from persuading her audience into thinking that men are no good. She was making us see the changes over the years in men in different categories. Men in this world are doing the opposite of what they used to do. With Hymowitz being a girl, she did not get the input from a male over this topic. She did not get evidence from men and ask them why they were all becoming this way in this new
they never do… after all, we have no say in the child a woman carries.. as Psaki!!!!!!!!
what is the men’s view? try this
Where Have the Good Men Gone?Or, Here We Go Againhttps://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/where-have-the-good-men-gone-or-here-we-go-again/
Men have left the room.. wait till the war starts… funny funny funny!!!!!
fat, lazy, drug addicted are all ways to get out of service.. let the women fight, its their country, not ours!!!
but lets see what the author says:
and what do the feminists say:
Feminists ask, “Where have all the good men gone?” (Weird, right?)
https://harryhharrisonjr.com/portfolio-items/feminists-ask-where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/
[my fav is that there are so many contradictory types that it doesnt matter what women want, it provides a reason for anything to the power politicos remolding the world.. ie pick the group that represents what you want and no matter what you do, your helping downtrodden women escape the million years of male evil]
CONT. next post!
[that way this isnt too long again]
CONT.
Feminists ask, “Where have all the good men gone?” (Weird, right?)
[male feminist with family]
https://harryhharrisonjr.com/portfolio-items/feminists-ask-where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/
But it’s becoming less so. he says….
that is a trope since nearly i was born… my son was born in the deep side of that pool and its only gotten deeper… [did you know its ok if jews, i mean white males commit suicide to help society? i can give names of the people saying that now.. but then again… we really didnt care about the three who said we should exterminate the jews, i mean white males… ]
the ladies won… hope you like your prizes…
play stupid games, win stupid prizes!!!
No, they wont…
they will be back when we are communist and the state eradicates this by force..
better to do what the state wants than go to a re-education camp for playing video games..
why would i want to become a leader of a company i cant become leader of no matter how hard i try?
after all.
men only really need is three squares and a bed… or haven’t you seen the homeless?
they can live for years under intense deprivation and erase it going forward with their stoic behavior!
no more!!!
there is no reason to do any of that for ungrateful people who dont like you
i been warning about this (and more… and even more than neo ever took the time to really dig into given the obscure texts you ahve to read to understand that this isnt fools this is knaves… but if you read that and know, you can no longer have discussions on the question any more… so wich is more entertaining?)
When we lose the war…
either internally or from externalities..
they will get the REAL prize…
but thats not our problem as men, is it?
none of it is!!!!!!!!!!!
this is THEIR problem.. .and their lives are and were too short to take it up and live
there is no way to unteach this stuff and have the ladies love their oppressors
or erase the false myths on salary, or have men want to have kids who are not theirs other than financial obligations… however we did learn from black society that if you dont work and have no money, you can have all the kids you want – or as the old song says:
Billy Preston – Nothing From Nothing (1974)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HqyEHqEYho
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I have my popcorn..
and i am going to watch with shadenfreudic delight..
yes.. we are going to hell in a handbasket.
and as the song says
at least i am going to enjoy the ride..
you can be sad or upset about the inevitable if you want
but to what end?
one of the things i think women are most jealous of in men..
their ability to be happy and enjoy regardless of things
women as a group are never satisfied, even when they get what they think they want!!
It started way before the 80s. When I went to college in the late 60s the humanities were already dominated by leftists. My leftist professors and teachers, the younger ones, were mostly born in the 1930s. This was true of all three universities I attended as an undergraduate (Michigan State University, U-of-Illinois Chicago, and University of Colorado).
I guess I am an outlier too. College dropout, nearly a high school dropout. Been married 38 years to a woman with a degree in computer science with a minor in statistics and a degree in philosophy (???). My last job title before retirement was Senior Systems Architect. I don’t think it is possible to follow the path I did anymore.
I once asked my wife if she prefers working with men or women. She said “Men. Way less drama.”
geoffb on September 8, 2021 at 6:32 pm said:
The takeover started in the late 60s and took until the early 80s to have taken control of enough positions that they could start the changes publicly.
no.. it happened long before that..
you had to first change the leaders, admins, and unions BEFORE you got to change the educators that people see and know about!!!!
Mr. Armstrong also warned of this infiltration of America. “I was saying over the air, and writing, back in 1934, that the Communist unwavering strategy was, as a first offensive toward world domination, propaganda,” he wrote in a 1980 issue of the Worldwide News. “They began sowing the seeds of their Communist atheistic education all over the United States—especially among college professors and students.”
“They invaded American university campuses, full force,” he continued, “and the U.S. universities trustingly let them in.”
THAT was when the fight was lost… before many of you were born and so have no information of the fight, what was lost, and or mostly have it from compromised sources… you would not know where in the dewey decimal system to go and look up what you didnt know existed!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Communist Infiltration of America Was Prophesied
https://www.thetrumpet.com/literature/read/7094-he-was-right/446
in fact… i been trying to tell you all to read certain texts so you would KNOW not guess, or surmise or such..but NOT one book or tome i said to read in 15 years did anyone read… in fact, the more i wanted Neo to read certain texts, the LESS it was going to happen… the more i tried the more i was vilified and people complained..
bed, see bed, lie in bed, your on your own… right???!!??
“Communism is a worldwide POLITICAL MOVEMENT, organized inside many countries,” Mr. Armstrong wrote in the April-May 1944 Plain Truth. “From official Communist literature anyone can learn, if he wishes to know the TRUTH, that communism is a plan, in action, for the violent overthrow of capitalism and the capitalistic governments. And capitalism means democracy, since it is the democracies who control more than two thirds of the world’s capital.”
read that stuff and you no longer ask, knave or fool…
read THAT stuff and its not so entertaining.. right?
read that stuff, and then what, sit by and let it happen?
yes… you do… because your one in 1000 and the other 999 will suppress it!!!
they go to a doctor who has learned medicine to know how to cure it, what the disease is, its etiology and more..
you dont go to an anti-communist with vast knowledge of history to learn about the social disease, its etiology and more!!! right? much better to sit around and gab about how your joints ache when it rains.
at least you don’t know you have terminal cancer and it WAS curable before!
and to people like me and others of my ilk… it was grand comedic tragedy to watch people come out and look and gab endlessly of the co-lateral damage of a war they did not know they were fighting, and losing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! our politicians sold us out because we sold ourselves out… ha! too funny!
“What we fail to grasp, in the struggle with Russia, is this: We are not fighting a single nation in a military war, but a gigantic worldwide, plain-clothes army, masquerading as a political party, seeking to conquer the world with an entirely new kind of warfare,” Mr. Armstrong wrote in 1956
“It’s a kind of warfare we don’t understand, or know how to cope with. It uses every diabolical means to weaken us from within, sapping our strength, perverting our morals, sabotaging our educational system, wrecking our social structure, destroying our spiritual and religious life, weakening our industrial and economic power, demoralizing our armed forces, and finally, after such infiltration, overthrowing our government by force and violence! All this, cleverly disguised as a harmless political party! COMMUNISM is worldwide psychological WARFARE!” Mr. Armstrong wrote in 1956
i will bet that NONE of you know these people i bring up.. willi munzenberg? the long telegram 10 years before Armstrong.. Freda Utley (who was erased but celebrated by R. Reagan)… Armstrong… and even more from before that…vasili mitrokhin? Ion Mihai Pacepa, Anatoliy Golitsyn, Vitaly Yurchenko, Oleg Gordiev, Stanislav Lunev, Sergei Tretyakov, Kanatjan Alibekov
or even The people who set up the foundation of all this…
now we talk of school and college but have any of us but me read Havelock’s change agent book?
why would we WANT to know the fools are knaves in training with the knights of change?
what DID Havelock and Armstrong actually say?
[heck we DID, thanks to Obama learn about the weather undergrounds lineage and Saul Alinksy
It’s a kind of warfare we don’t understand: and took me 30 years to find out we dont want to, and so, we WILL fall to it… we do NOT want to do what is required to oppose it – with LEARNING being the first step (as discovery on your own through discourse takes to long and wont happen!!!)
we do not fail to grasp it
we don’t want to grasp it!!!!!!!!
we don’t want the ammunition to show or teach others from the past
we don’t want to stop it!!!
we don’t want to disrupt the lives we have
[a clue to their enrollments… pick people who dont have lives… give them lives and meaning]
Ideological subversion is a long-term process involving four stages:
1) demoralization,
2) destabilization,
3) crisis
4) normalization.
with college men abandoning and becoming “sissys” cause male is bad, feminine good
is detablizing… as is China and factories… Trump paused crisis… etc
KGB agents and their socialistic “fellow travelers” would use abstract art, perverted music, pornographic images, homosexual rights, racist politics, pacifist foreign policy and socialist economics to demoralize America.
you could have read about it, techniques, etc… no one wanted to
and if you think you can find it without Virgil in hell, good luck
This coming Monday (Sep. 13, 2021) it will be exactly 50 years since I started college (Hunter College in NYC) and back then the professors, adjuncts, lecturers, etc. tended to be liberal but they were not radicals and you could disagree with them and not worry about grades retaliation. Nowadays I think how things have gotten progressively (pun intended) worse in the half century that followed that I would be reluctant to attend any University/College even in Red States. The whole Higher Education system has gone “Berkeley” on us and no course is free from wokism even math and science
Woman ? Mother, not even in 1949.
Once more with feeling: north of 40% of the women in the United States had a child by the time they reached their 22d birthday. There were about 17 million employed women in 1949. About 17% were under the age of 22. It stands to reason that many employed women over the age of 22 also had a child.
Let’s have a look at the percentage male by age segment:
16-19: 58%
20-24: 62%
25-54: 72%
55+: 79%
If I’m not mistaken, for a great long time in this country, about 95% of the women could expect to be married at some point and 85% could be expected to have a child at some point.
Corruption of Modern Education
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, documents from the Soviet archives revealed the Communist Party-u.s.a. received $2 million to $3 million a year from the Kremlin to further its subversion activities.
Most of the efforts put forth by the Kremlin, the U.S. Communist Party and their “fellow travelers” went not toward traditional espionage, but toward the infiltration of American education
The main methods of Soviet demoralization were:
student exchanges with Moscow [Clinton? Bernie? etc]
the flooding of college campuses with Marxist literature
international seminars with Soviet participation
the infiltration of universities with radical leftists (often unknowingly under the guidance of KGB subverters)
the establishment of Communist-staffed newspapers
the organization of “study groups” to disseminate Soviet propaganda
[the Chinese carry this on with their organization in every college in the US]
Everyone ignored Erin Pizzey… who showed the feminist movement was communist
maybe not when it started…
but it was ripe for takeover as the victims were good natured innocents
“Before World War II the Communist Party in the United States was making great headway, They began infiltrating the colleges and universities. If they could not ‘convert’ professors, they worked on students who would become teachers later. Thus they were recruiting TEACHERS to teach their doctrine all over the United States.” – Mr. Armstrong
According to a former staff director of a Senate investigations subcommittee, in the years between 1935 and 1953, the Communist Party “enlisted the support of at least 3,500 professors—many of them as dues-paying members, many others as fellow travelers, some as out-and-out espionage agents, some as adherents of the party line in varying degrees, and some as the unwitting dupes of subversion” (J. B. Matthews, “Communism and the Colleges,” American Mercury, May 1953).
Knaves or Fools?
READ CAREFULLY
For a collectivist society to truly succeed, it needs more than just a generation of people who don’t want to support themselves: It needs a generation of people who CANNOT support themselves!
The men cant support themselves, can they?
“The American romance with state-run education as encouraged by KGB subverters has already produced generations of graduates who cannot spell, cannot find Nicaragua on a world map, cannot THINK creatively and independently. I wonder if Albert Einstein would have arrived at his Theory of Relativity if he had been educated in one of today’s American public schools. Most likely he would have ‘discovered’ marijuana and variant methods of sexual intercourse instead.” Bezmenov
“It is a doctrine …. It is a revolutionary program. It is relentless class war. It is a radical philosophy of history. It is a radical philosophy of society. It is a social system. It is an economic system. It is a political strategy. It is a world conspiracy.” Armstrong…
in effect… its a desert topping AND a floor wax… right?
As “an economic system,” communism pits the poorer classes against those who have been economically more successful by calling for the redistribution of wealth from the property-owning class to the wage-labor class.
familiar?
did you think you had to learn russian to understand what was converted to english and familarized in the schools way before you ever started thinking about it?
The Communist Manifesto that private land ownership must be abolished, a heavily progressive income tax must be instituted, and all factories and financial institutions must be nationalized.
You will own nothing, and be happy
: “The Soviet system is not working because the workers are not working.” – Russian economist Grigory Yavlinsky
the american system is collapsing for what reason? “the workers are not working”?
The current political environment of the United States exalts many Communist ideals. There is even compelling evidence connecting the current president to some of the biggest names in America’s Communist history. [he is referring to Obama]
FEMINISM? The Marxist Plot to Abolish the Family
but but… if you read that then you would have to adjust your belief system… right?
now… what woman would do THAT?
“She takes what you give her as long as its FREE” – right?
The Communist Manifesto calls the family a capitalist institution based “on private gain.”
Marriage, it says, is but the “hypocritical” concealment of private prostitution. The authors hoped and predicted that both “bourgeois family” and “bourgeois marriage” would disappear……
Wait.. no good men? really?
The report reveals that the Weather Underground network was determined to abolish monogamous marriage, which they viewed as a repressive remnant of male and white supremacy.
Knave or Fools?
they are the Knaves WE are the Fools…
discrediting the family as an institution
encouraging promiscuity and easy divorce
emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents
promoting pornography
presenting homosexuality as “normal, natural, healthy
familiar… you could have read about it before i was born…
thats half a century of ignoring what is critical to your posterities survival
Under the influence of Marxist philosophy and Soviet subversion tactics, American educators have spent decades trumpeting sexual liberation, militant feminism and homosexual rights. All this has been done under the banner of freedom, but the truth is that these movements have served as Trojan horses in a far more sinister plot to abolish marriage and destroy the nuclear family!
hey… didnt Black Lives Matter have that on their list they took down? well, if you knew it was a real thing and goal with people, would you have seen that as crazy or bad optics, or confirmation of a 60 year old prediction we ignored?
“Communism is the VULTURE of decadent, dying politics, religion, and society” (Plain Truth subscriber letter, Nov. 24, 1967).
If the United States gets divided too much between the idea of freedom and the idea of communism, this country could not stand.” Now, over three decades later, it is evident that the United States is very much divided between “the idea of freedom and the idea of communism.”
Armstrong wrote in 1949, “communism is launched as a worldwide class struggle, pitting the poorer class against those who have been economically more successful, arousing class prejudice, stirring up race hatreds. While they pretend to stand for peace, they engender only strife, and they feed like a vulture on poverty, discontent, discouragement, confusion and chaos.”
The 6 Aspects of Havelock’s Theory of Change
Not very original given that this recipe is a copy of Willi Munzenberg in action..
thats that..
enjoy
or start yelling at me for being too long again
and remember, i have not written a long tract in nearly two years
Charles @ 11:33
that there was no dissenting from the orthodox view. It was the attitude that this is the way ALL smart people think and if you don’t think like us then you cannot be smart. Higher education was no longer about examining ALL viewpoints and coming to conclusions based upon empirical data. There was a right way to interpret thoughts or to view the world and no other way mattered. There were no sudden teachable moments; just opportunities to indoctrinate. It was “we are the elite and to join us you have to think this way.”
Very much echoes my experience in college in the late 70’s – early eighties when I attended day classes.
Funny though, the difference in evening classes. There the teachers often were professionals with daytime jobs outside of the education institutions. They were there to teach, and to provide real-life experience (hey, you want to know why “this” is important – because in the real world “this” comes up all of the time, that’s why). They weren’t there to provide opinion. This was true in English and History classes as well as in Maths. And many of the students, like me, were working full-time jobs during the day, earning money to PAY for school, so we didn’t tolerate a bunch of bullshit coming from the professor/instructor.
Why, you could say the difference was like night and day.
“but boys had to pass a test. They needed to demonstrate courage, physical prowess or mastery of the necessary skills. The goal was to prove their competence as protectors and providers”
This is called “the man box” and The Good Men Project is dead against it. You have to read the thing not to believe it.
Of course, “courage, physical prowess (and) mastery of the necessary skills” are as necessary for a lineman repairing a power line after a storm as they are for a homesteading farmer in 1850, or a Sioux warrior who needs to hunt to support his family. There are indeed many jobs today for which the physical prowess part of the specification isn’t really relevant, but courage and mastery of skills certainly are.
Women need the same attributes when doing the same jobs, although they don’t usually have to “prove their competence as protectors and providers” to attract a good mate in the way that men do.
Women need the same attributes when doing the same jobs,
Share of women in the following occupations.
9.9%: Surveying and mapping technicians
9.7%: Refuse and recyclable material collectors
9.5%: Architectural and engineering managers
9.3%: Computer network architects
9.3%: First-line supervisors of mechanics, installers, and repairers
9.0%: Computer numerically controlled tool operators and programmers
8.7%: Mechanical engineers
8.4%: Construction managers
8.3%: Painters and paperhangers
8.3%: Radio and telecommunications equipment installers and repairers
8.1%: Painting workers
8.0%: Broadcast, sound, and lighting technicians
7.8%: Cabinetmakers and bench carpenters
7.8%: Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
7.7%: Locomotive engineers and operators
7.4%: Highway maintenance workers
7.0%: Tree trimmers and pruners
7.0%: Industrial truck and tractor operators
6.5%: Landscaping and groundskeeping workers
6.3%: Telecommunications line installers and repairers
6.0%: First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers
5.8%: Drywall installers, ceiling tile installers, and tapers
5.8%: Machinists
5.6%: Sheet metal workers
5.6%: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
5.4%: Aircraft mechanics and service technicians
5.2%: Industrial and refractory machinery mechanics
4.4%: Firefighters
4.3%: Maintenance and repair workers, general
4.2%: Millwrights
3.9%: Carpet, floor, and tile installers and finishers
3.9%: Construction equipment operators
3.8%: Construction laborers
3.8%: Welding, soldering, and brazing workers
3.5%: First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers
3.3%: Roofers
3.2%: Electrical and electronic engineering technologists and technicians
3.2%: Carpenters
3.1%: Electricians
2.9%: Insulation workers
2.8%: Cement masons, concrete finishers, and terrazzo workers
2.5%: Pest control workers
2.3%: Plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters
1.8%: Bus and truck mechanics and diesel engine specialists
1.5%: Heating, air conditioning, and refrigeration mechanics and installers
1.4%: Automotive service technicians and mechanics
1.3%: Electrical power-line installers and repairers
1.0%: Automotive body and related repairers
0.8%: Heavy vehicle and mobile equipment service technicians and mechanics
0.8%: Crane and tower operators
0.3%: Brickmasons, blockmasons, and stonemasons
0.0%: Security and fire alarm systems installers
Plenty of female air traffic controllers…judging from the voices on the radio, I’d guess about 30%, maybe a little higher. I definitely want my controller to have mastery of skills, also courage when needed. Haven’t seen any evidence that women are less-effective at these jobs.
Also plenty of female business-to-business salespeople…I’ve had more than a few in organizations I was running. Definitely need some courage for those jobs, certainly mastery both of sales skills and of product knowledge.
Those ‘traditionally male’ attributes may show up most strongly in certain kinds of blue-collar jobs, but not restricted to those.
Also, of course, a lot of women in healthcare positions, nurses, physicians, and others. Serious mastery needed, plus sometimes courage, plus sometimes physical endurance.
David Foster. Correct but missing the point. Those characteristics are necessary for the work, for women. For men, they’re also necessary for attracting a mate.
RA…made the mate-attraction point in the second paragraph of my original comment. But that’s not the *only* point that matters; if women are doing say 40% of some very critical job category, then the Criticizing Classes had better not dismiss the attributes needed for that job as only-male (or worse, only-white-male) characteristics.
geoffb on September 9, 2021 at 9:01 am
I think you are saying that you plan to keep the electricity working for quite a while longer. 🙂
David Foster. I see that. Sorry. However, wrt the attributes: If they’re too much like those the men are supposed to be/do/act, and they require effort and possible sacrifice, they’ll be in the position of punctuality, which is a white supremacy way of keeping POC down. And against which CPT is a tool to fight oppression.
Or, if that doesn’t work, they’ll be renamed.