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  1. “UK Defence Journal @UKDefJournal · Aug 14
    B-52s are expected to bomb a base containing Mi-17V-5s, BlackHawks and MD-530F helicopters as well as Cessna 208Bs, AC-208Bs & A-29B Super Tucano attack aircraft.”

    Gorgeous sunset

  2. Apocryphal!

    The first thing Austin and Milley asked: “Did you save the pride flag?”

  3. “US intelligence services – by now fully woke and focused on the existential threat to the country’s future that are white, middle-class American males – had predicted just 4 days ago that Kabul could fall in 90 days. It turned out to be less than 90 hours.

    “In a grotesque repeat of the Fall of Saigon, on Sunday, the Taliban – having reclaimed the country at an unprecedented pace – entered Kabul, freeing inmates at the city’s main prison and triggering a massive effort to airlift Western diplomats and civilians as the country’s demoralized security forces offered no resistance.”
    -Via Zerohedge

  4. Michael Every at RaboBank reports on the markets detachment from reality, course, and consequences of a US shot to the legs in Kabul’s fall:

    “20 years ago…the US rolled into the Greater Middle East guns blazing with plans to remake it in its own image; today it is retreating with socio-economic polarization, cronyism, populism, and ‘careerist phony baloney land’ starting to make *it* look Middle Eastern; and if the current trend is projected forward 20 years, some doomsters wonder if the US may not by then be retreating from parts of itself.

    “But, remember: It’s just Afghanistan; It’s a long way away; We never wanted to go on holiday there anyway; They don’t even buy much cheese. And stock indices might go up a fraction of a percent today, bond yields might move a few basis points, and the US dollar may shift a fraction. Focus on the important stuff!”

    The DementiaDent insanity is widespread.
    — via ZeroHedge

  5. You know, we make snarky comments about Biden’s mental condition but the White House apparently just sent out a press notice confirming Biden has NO public appearance, press conference, or speech scheduled for Monday.

    Even if their plan is to lay low and wait for everything to blow over, they’ve had several days to get him ready and they still won’t sit Biden in front of a camera and have him read some “It’s Bush and Trump’s fault” talking points from a teleprompter for the media to repeat?

    Biden may have some lucid moments but they are clearly terrified that he could have a complete meltdown at any time, even if he’s “juiced up” with every drug known to medical science.

    Mike

  6. They’ve ignored and circumvented all the rest of the Constitution so why would the 25th Amendment be any different? Camp David could even become “Weekend at Joey’s” or Howard Hughes in Vegas and who would ever know until those running the show want us to know.

  7. I, too, am scared of the 25th Amendment, if it would give us President Kamala Harris, and put Nancy Pelosi one step closer to the White House.

  8. Art Deco,

    We play a lot of Sergio Mendes and Brasil ’66 at Casa Firefly, but I don’t recall hearing that one.

    Thanks!

  9. I have not had a strong opinion regarding whether Joe Biden would make it to the end of his term as President, but now I would bet money on his stepping down and Kamala getting the top job prior to the mid-terms. It seems to be the strongest play the Democrats have.

    A lot can happen between now and November 2024, but it seems unlikely Biden could campaign against, let alone defeat Ron DeSantis, or any other credible opponent. Biden’s support plummets daily. I always found him mediocre, at best, but he is very unimpressive as President. And Kamala is not an appealing campaigner.

    If the Dems are playing hardball (and I think they are), Joe will step aside for health reasons and we’ll be singing, “Hail to the Chief” to Kamala Harris within 10 months. Kamala checks too many intersectional boxes in the diversity olympics to not take advantage of as an appeal to bolster enthusiasm for Dem candidates with woke voters.

    They need to find something to shift the discussion from their policies.

  10. Posobiec is now reporting Biden WILL address the nation Monday afternoon. Which tells you how much Democrats and the media are freaking out behind the scenes. There must have been a volcano of panicked calls and texts after no Biden appearance was announced this morning.

    Mike

  11. What a sorry sad mess our US Military has become. I understand we were spending billions to get the Afghan’s we thought were on our side well trained with good equipment and facilities and apparently no contingency plans to destroy the equipment when someone in US intelligence should have known how fragile the Afghan military and government always was.

    The entire role of our military rules of engagement should be to kill and wound people who are our enemies and to bomb, burn and blow stuff up Of course having enough sense and information to make the bad guys do the dying and not our men and women would be desirable too.

  12. Biden will be back at White House today and speaking to the nation at 3:45 ET.

    I wonder if the Ds are smart enough to start looking for a VP replacement for Harris, assuming that she is going to be in the top spot at some point in time. Will they get a competent replacement in case Harris has to go or will it be another questionable choice so that Harris stays in office?

    Spiro Agnew resigned 10/10/73 and Ford was nominated by Nixon on 10/12/73. The Senate overwhelmingly approved Ford as VP on 11/27/73. So, it will take a bit of time to get a new VP and with a 50-50 split, who knows what happens. And, since the VP is the tie-breaker, would Harris still be able to break a tie since she would be P at the time? OR are we stuck?

    So, the thought of Pelosi being the next in line until there is a replacement is disturbing.

  13. If Biden were in command of his faculties, heads would figuratively roll in the Pentagon, at Langley, Foggy Bottom, and among the WH national security staff. In the past, when the costs of failure were more stark, heads would literally roll.

    And the Peasants would march to the ramparts with pitchforks.

    This Monday morning, the World is taking the measure of the United States. In parts of the world there will be sadness, in other parts–glee. In any case, we will pay a price.

    This week could well mark a historical watershed.

  14. oldflyer:

    Agree. Many need to be fired over this debacle.

    Liz:

    They can’t force Harris out. She’s probably building 25th Amendment material now and plotting with the others. Pete as VP. Because.

    Me: I firmly believe the Dems stole the 2020 election. I hope they are happy now. They won’t force Joe out until they get their money.

    Hard to believe that not a single Dem won’t confess as to how the Dems stole the election.

    I watched Alexander Payne’s “Election” for the first time last night. It was filmed in the Omaha area. Payne went to my Jesuit high school.

    Spoiler. The teacher who stole the student government election got caught because he didn’t properly dispose of two ballots. He just threw them in the trash can. One of the students (another Prep grad in real life) and the custodian (then the custodian as the Sacred Heart high school) caught the idiot teacher. Today Dems know how to properly steal an election.

  15. “White privileged thinking in the military, intelligence community, and state department holdovers from the previous administration caused the appearance of chaos in the orderly transition of government in Afghanistan last week. However those elements have been identified and removed. We in the Harris/Hunter junta are deeply committed to tranfabistan and the progress of women and fwabitts.
    If I say any more I’ll be in trouble. That young gal up there looks just like …..”

    Early feed from the Cloth Headed Dummy.

  16. Since the Narrative(TM) being massaged is—surprise!—it’s all Trump’s fault, I think they’re pondering (fast and furiously) just how they can get DJT back in the dock, tar and feather him (for as long as they can—no “habeas corpus” for the DEVIL), and then throw in a few other of his fellow demons together with him, e.g., Pompeo, maybe Pence, etc.

    What’s that you say, “But, but they can’t do that!”?
    Heh!

    …because they absolutely MUST distract the nation and the world from this grim fiasco of death and destruction and they (our Best and Brightest(TM)) are red-lining as we speak trying to figure out what to do, what to say. Which line to take.

    Of course, they could always shriek “Jan 6 INSURRECTION” at the highest possible pitch (and they may just do that)…

    …but I doubt that will be enough.
    They’re up the creek and the only paddle—the only reliable paddle—they have is Trump. And so time to once again make Trump a pinata.

    Will it work? It will have to. Even with the media spinning hysterically in their support, they don’t have a lot of options. After all, in for a penny, in for a pound…

    (OTOH, as others have said, I suppose they could do their Boy Scout’s best to ignore Afghanistan… You know, the old “s*** happens” gambit. An “act of God”…for the Godless…

  17. Oldfyer says: “ If Biden were in command of his faculties, heads would figuratively roll in the Pentagon, at Langley, Foggy Bottom, and among the WH national security staff.” After 9/11 no heads, figuratively, rolled. Heads did roll, literally, by courtesy of the Taliban.

  18. For your amusement.

    Behold Barack Antoinette by Maureen Dowd

    Jay Gatsby gave big, lavish, new-money parties at his sprawling mansion on the water because he wanted to seem cool. He wanted Daisy to notice him.

    Barack Obama gave a big, lavish, new-money party at his sprawling mansion on the water because he wanted to seem cool. Being cool is important to him.

    One difference is that Gatsby opened his house to the uninvited. Obama closed his house to many of the invited after getting flak …
    ____

    Quote from the film Almost Famous:

    Lester Bangs: Aw, man. You made friends with them [rock and roll stars]. See, friendship is the booze they feed you. They want you to get drunk on feeling like you belong.

    William Miller: Well, it was fun.

    Lester Bangs: Because they make you feel cool. And hey. I met you. You are not cool.

    William Miller: I know. Even when I thought I was, I knew I wasn’t.
    ____

    The ethos of shallowness.

  19. One interesting thing about the “It’s not my fault” speech coming up this afternoon is that I’m not sure how much the American people are going to care about the Afghanistan debacle but I am sure there’s a bunch of “Great Game” players in DC who care a hell of a lot about both the substantive and visual failures on display. They NEED someone to blame and I don’t think Trump is going to cut it.

    Mike

  20. Cornhead,
    The film Election is a nasty but fun film. I presume you’ve seen Sideways and Nebraska, by Payne?

    I did not know until recently that Payne patterned Sideways after the Italian film “Il Sorpasso” (1962).

  21. “I’m not sure how much the American people are going to care about the Afghanistan debacle”

    Maybe so. My FB D/lib friends have been conspicuously silent yesterday and today when usually at least once a day there’s a political post about Wuflu, or the other usual topics.

    That short video of desperate Afghans falling from the US C17 as it took off is a visual hard to ignore.

  22. So Clarissa Ward (CNN) reports: “ They’re just chanting death to America, but they seem friendly at the same time.”
    Except she doesn’t think they’re friendly because she put on a hijab. She is afraid to continue to report in her normal clothes. What is that? She’s on tv saying one thing – and I think she thinks she’s being truthful. But (at the very same time) her actions directly and obviously contradict her own statement. It’s not hypocrisy. It’s not lying. What is it?
    Here’s the clip:
    https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1427282460824440837?s=20

  23. The real problem is that the Democrats are so deeply enmired in a Culture of Coverup (one huge facet of their Culture of Corruption) and have been so successful at covering up (with the enthusiastic assistance of a sedulous media and info-tech sector—sedulously corrupt, that should be) that they believe that they can cover up anything and everything.

    And why shouldn’t they be, given their success so far? Given the Through-the-Looking-Glass reality they’ve created (once again with the help of the irredeemable media and a compromised DOJ)?

    But how do you cover up what’s happening now in Afghanistan?

    You can’t; so you redirect, you obfuscate, you blame the Afghans, you bait and switch, you blame Trump, you blame everything and everyone else—Palestinian Rules rule here, but that’s nothing new, since Palestinian Rules define the very essence of the Democratic Party—and you saturate the media channels with non-stop lies, calling the Truth “fake” and ridiculing (and threaten and intimidate) those you want to silence.

    How do you cover up the massive inflation? Declare that it’s temporary transitory, not really that bad. That it’s for the good of the country’s growth. That things would be far worse if Trump were still in office.

    How do you cover up the Covid scandals? Shower people with fear and confusion and lie about practically everything while you focus with laser intensity on Red state statistics (and make them up if their not awful enough for your taste). AKA Alinsky Rules.

    How do you cover up your lust for power? Declare that it’s for the good of the people!…as you methodically and endlessly demonize your opponents.

    How do you cover up Russiagate? Well we’ve seen how.

    How do you cover up a stolen election?

    How do you lateral a horse?

  24. One way out is for Biden to admit that the blame is his and his alone, and therefore he’s resigning. So everybody else whose fault it really is gets off, Kamala gets to be President, and we all live happily ever after.

  25. “It’s not hypocrisy. It’s not lying. What is it?”

    Allahpundit says if you watch the whole report, she’s just describing the incongruence of “Death to America” chants with the chanters being cordial to her as a person. But the point actually remains that it is very weird to remark on how “friendly” people are when you have literally put on a hijab because you’re afraid of being physically attacked if you wore the same clothes you had on yesterday.

    And does anyone want to bet how many times Allahpundit has been such a stickler for accuracy when it comes to allegations about Donald Trump?

    Mike

  26. Clarissa Ward (CNN) has just internalized the fact that as long as you give a sociopath everything they ask for they’ll be friendly — until they ask for something you can’t/won’t give and then that friendly mask drops away.

  27. Biden addresses the nation at 3:45 EST. The beginning of gaslighting about the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal? But of course. It will all be blamed on Trump’s incompetent negotiations with the Taliban. Biden will claim he was hemmed in by the terms of the deal negotiated. That he had no choice but to get out by September. But he will be lying. The Trump negotiations were all conditions based. If the Taliban did this, we would do that, And it was made plain that if the Taliban attacked or killed an American, they would pay a horrendous price.

    Right now no one knows how the negotiations went since Biden took office. What was promised? Were favorable conditions demanded ? Was a threat of retribution still in place?

    From Blinken’s statements about the embassy staff staying on and maintaining their “programs,” it seems apparent he had no understanding of the situation on the ground.

    Michael McCall (R-TX) says he received the same classified briefing as Biden about the situation in Afghanistan. He opined that the briefing was quite pessimistic about conditions for a withdrawal. I believe Biden will also try to blame the intel community.

    The real truth seems to be that the Afghan Army and Air Force were dependent on civilian contractors to maintain their planes and advanced weapons.
    “Even if it could get to the chopper to try to service it, the Afghan military would face another escalating problem: It is heavily reliant on American and other foreign contractors for repairs, maintenance, fueling, training and other jobs necessary to keep their forces operating, and those contractors are now departing along with the American military, leaving a void that leaders on both sides say could be crippling to Afghan forces as they face the Taliban alone.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/19/world/asia/Afghanista

    Biden could have continued the status quo until after November when the Taliban would mostly be in Pakistan. An orderly withdrawal would have been much more feasible at that time.

    Too late now. The gaslighting begins at1545 EST.

  28. Re: Clarissa Ward

    It’s all fun and games until the crowd suddenly picks you as the next Lara Logan.

  29. So now the CDC/FDA whatever is going to recommend getting a booster shot 8 months after your second shot.

    How many people will actually get that?

    How is this going to work on the vaccine passport scam?

    Will NYC allow you in a restaurant 7m30d then the next day no way?

    If you are a under 60 year old healthy person it is your civic duty not to get this booster shot.

    How are they going to enforce this BS if tens of millions refuse the booster?

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