Biden threatens to beat up Corn Pop and nuke American gun-owning insurrectionists
Biden loves to threaten people and then to brag about threatening people. For example, the tale of Corn Pop:
Biden has publicly repeated several stories of him rebuking racial division and has relayed one specific incident detailed in his autobiography of how he supposedly faced down an African-American gang leader for breaking the rules at what he described as an all-black pool. ..
Ultimately, in the story, Biden gets “Corn Pop” to put down his straight razor and become friends after threatening to beat him with the “six-foot metal chain around his arm.”
Or there was the time Biden said he would have “beat the hell” out of Trump had they been in high school together.
Or this threat to a gun owner:
That brings us to today, when Biden said this:
The Babylon Bee was quick to respond with “Huge Spike In Americans Buying F-15s After Biden Suggests You’ll Need Them To Overthrow Government.”
And Kurt Schlicter has a number of questions for Biden that the press, unfortunately, will never ask, including this:
Can you explain how you would employ bombers to hold territory, like a city? What means would you use to identify targets to bomb within the United States? What would the rules of engagement be when using bombers against American citizens?…
Have you considered that the military forces of the National Guard in red states, which include aircraft, artillery and infantry, may refuse or even oppose your campaign against American citizens? Would you attack those forces?
I realize that Biden is now commander-in-chief, at least nominally. And I don’t think he or the left would hesitate to use whatever force they thought necessary to put down any actual armed insurrection – as opposed to the supposed insurrection of January 6th. But Biden has long reminded me of this character:
Note also the strawman nature of Biden’s argument. I don’t think anyone is saying there should be absolutely no limits on Americans’ rights to own any weapon under the sun. But Biden is speaking as though that’s what gun rights advocates are saying. Also, he doesn’t seem conversant anymore – if in fact he ever was – with the quote from Jefferson he’s trying to paraphrase. It goes like this:
We have had 13 states independant 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
[ADDENDUM: On the issue of whether Biden was actually issuing a threat, and what that threat might be –
I think it’s not the least bit unreasonable to think he is doing some threatening, saying the equivalent of, “Don’t even try it, because we can outgun you with our weaponry, up to and including our very biggest guns if need be. Your puny little firearms are no match for our fighter planes and our nuclear bombs.”
The fact that the goal of his threat is to deter insurrectionists is irrelevant to the discussion of what he is actually saying he would do if push came to shove. MAD, the Cold War philosophy of nuclear weapons that involved nations armed with such weapons, involved the deterrence function of a threat to use them. The idea was that the threat would keep war from happening because the destruction would be so great. And what Biden is saying here, it seems to me – addressing a non-nuclear power that lacks fighter planes as well – is that the superior weaponry of the government, which includes fighter jets and nuclear weapons and the willingness to use them, should deter the insurrectionists from ever using their own weaponry (guns, bombs I suppose) to fight the government. The deterrence doesn’t work if the government isn’t willing to use those fighter jets and those nukes.
As far as I know, there is no precedent whatsoever for an American president saying anything even remotely like this to the political opposition, left or right.]
[ADDENDUM II: Biden the whisperer.]
How much longer will the mendacious MSM be willing to ignore the obvious cognitive impairment of the senile buffoon fraudulently installed at 1600, when it is undeniably difficult for him to string together two even moderately coherent sentences? It is truly painful to listen to a man (who was never bright or especially articulate) struggle with remembering simple facts and common names. The only question of importance now is whether the puppet-masters have determined that the cackling hyena is hardly any better, and whether perhaps he should be allowed to finish his term.
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Can add his creepy whispering thing from today to the list.
Pretty certain Dr. Jill is holding out for as long as she can.
She likes sitting in that chair…and using that pen…and there are discreet whisperings that she can’t stand Harris.
(Hmmm. Maybe Dr. Jill is due for a bit of that ole time re-education?)
The perpetual squinty eyes is most creepy to me. Is there a dementia med that causes eye dilation and thus his squint under bright illumination?
As long as he can briefly stand upright and stumble through reading from a teleprompter, he’s a useful sock puppet.
Puppet masters hate exposure, identification = vulnerability.
Jill Biden is one of Biden’s puppet masters. As spouse, her position is only as secure as his continuation in office.
It’s likely that Obama controls the majority of the others.
Though there has to be some fierce infighting going on behind the scenes. Human hyenas, carrion eaters that they are, only have ideology in common but self-interest is always their primary concern.
there are discreet whisperings that she can’t stand Harris.
The wisdom of Al Bundy: “Son, don’t try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other.”
Where did he get the idea that individuals couldn’t own cannons anyway?
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/06/30/fact-check-could-individuals-own-cannons-during-revolutionary-war/113951468/
I thought he actually did a pretty good job stepping back from the ‘tree of liberty’ quote after he realized he didn’t know who said it or what the context was.
Anyway, as easy as it is to dunk on Uncle Joe, remember that Democrats have been saying stuff like this for years. They can’t seem to make up their minds if privately owned firearms are the greatest threat to our safety (after global warming that is), or if its just a bunch of silly rednecks with silly toys.
It’s likely that Obama controls the majority of the others.
Obama’s an empty suit.
Art Deco:
Just because you and others say repeatedly that Obama is an empty suit does not make it so.
I have argued many times on that issue. I differ in the strongest of terms, and I have certainly put in my time studying the man and his history. I’m not going to waste more time going into details I’ve explained over and over, except to say I see zero evidence for your assertion and an enormous amount of evidence for mine.
I think Obama was being run by someone, possibly the same people who sent him to Columbia from Occidental College,a small college in Pasadena. I can see Harvard doing an affirmative action admission to HLS but he got his start somewhere. I’ve wondered about the Saudis. It would be nice to see that Rashid Khalidi video.
Hello. I don’t agree with the interpretation of this quote which seems to be taking hold among the starboard commentariat, to the effect that Biden was supposedly threatening to nuke domestic enemies or something. That’s not where his language was directed. He’s just pointing out his or his minders’ view that since any domestic insurrectionists presumably won’t have F-15s or nukes in their arsenal, they would be doomed to fail were they to try to attack and overthrow the government. That’s debatable, of course, but I took his words as simply an attempt to throw cold water on any budding insurrectionists’ aspirations. Is that a sign of overconfidence? A good question, the answer to which I don’t know, but I think that’s a better place to focus the attention than on the notion that there was a threat in Biden’s word salad.
In short, Biden was talking about the opponents of the government having or not having these weapons, not the government itself. Thus, Mr. Schlichter et al. are barking up the wrong tree on this occasion in my view and I find it a little embarrassing that they were so easily induced to do so. Unforced tactical errors of this kind seem to crop up with some frequency on the right, as I think somebody tangentially implied in our other thread on the FBI and 06-J@nuary.
(By the way, before anybody brings it up, whatever Swalwell said has no necessary connection to what Biden said here, so let’s not get distracted by that.)
And oh, yes, I think Biden was off base with his assertion that “from the moment it was passed,” 2A contained* limitations. “The right of the People […] shall not be infringed” is, as I think we know, an extraordinarily difficult sequence of words for some politicians to comprehend.
* (English cries out for an exact structural equivalent to Konjunktiv II, which in German can be deployed to great sarcastic effect at such moments.)
And anyway, why the heck is Biden talking about militias… oh, right, white supremacy is the greatest threat to that democracy thing. I forgot, how silly of me. Sorry.
P. S.: also to j e’s point at the top of this thread: I think there are surely certain interested parties in D. C. that would like to milk Biden’s state of mind for advantage, that is to say, to use the fact that he seems confused, etc. to gain room for themselves. It occurs to me that it might be possible for the Left’s opponents to do the same – this might be a fruitful line of inquiry for the resistance, such as it is, to pursue.
BIDEN: “Those who say the blood of Patriots, you know, and all the stuff about how we’re gonna have to move against the government.”
“If you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.”
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1407809806287704064
That seems more of a gauntlet thrown down by a bully who thinks he’s got the upper hand and is telling you to just hand over everything you’ve got to him because it isn’t worth the hassle and you’ll lose anyway.
Philip Sells: true, it wasn’t exactly a threat, but it was certainly a sort of saber-rattling or intimidation. The implication is “we would crush you like a bug if you were to try anything.” And given the conflation of “extremist” with ordinary right-wingers it was extremely inflammatory, blowing the whole unity thing to pieces. Or would if it weren’t already in pieces.
Phillip Sells:
You don’t think Biden was threatening “to nuke domestic enemies or something.” I agree that he certainly wasn’t overtly threatening it, as in, “I will nuke you if you try to overthrow the government.”
You write that, “He’s just pointing out his or his minders’ view that since any domestic insurrectionists presumably won’t have F-15s or nukes in their arsenal, they would be doomed to fail were they to try to attack and overthrow the government.”
So, what do you think he is implying that the government would do to the insurgents that would require the rebels to have F-15s and/or nuclear weapons in order to win? There is certainly some sort of implicit threat there. And why would he specifically mention F-15s and nuclear weapons, which are weapons limited to the government and which any insurrectionists would lack?
I think it’s not the least bit unreasonable to think he is doing some threatening, saying the equivalent of, “Don’t even try it, because we can outgun you with our weaponry, up to and including our very biggest guns if need be. Your puny little firearms are no match for our fighter planes and our nuclear bombs.”
The fact that the goal of his threat is to deter insurrectionists is irrelevant to the discussion of what he is actually saying he would do if push came to shove. MAD, the Cold War philosophy of nuclear weapons that involved nations armed with such weapons, involved the deterrence function of a threat to use them. The idea was that the threat would keep war from happening because the destruction would be so great. And what Biden is saying here, it seems to me – addressing a non-nuclear power that lacks fighter planes as well – is that the superior weaponry of the government, which includes fighter jets and nuclear weapons and the willingness to use them, should deter the insurrectionists from ever using their own weaponry (guns, bombs I suppose) to fight the government. The deterrence doesn’t work if the government isn’t willing to use those fighter jets and those nukes.
As far as I know, there is no precedent whatsoever for an American president saying anything even remotely like this to the political opposition, left or right.
Thus, Mr. Schlichter et al. are barking up the wrong tree on this occasion in my view and I find it a little embarrassing that they were so easily induced to do so.
You didn’t read actually Schlicter’s remarks, did you?
You don’t shoot the guy in the tank. You shoot the guy driving the Gordons Food truck, to the base.Only have to do that once.
Where do they get their fuel, their electricity?
Keep in mind that the National Guard is actually a state unit, despite the name. And if you need a combat unit from the Reserve component, you get a Guard outfit. The actual reserves are not line units.
Push comes to shove, it will be regular units against Guard units. Lots of differences but the Guard guys are likely to have a lot more time in the unit. When I was in, in Air Defense, it was a big day when a Regular firing battery did better than a Guard battery in a snap exercise.
Biden babble. Like Corruptocrats before him, he fails to realize that the lack of F-15s and nuclear weapons in S-E Asia and in the mountains of Afghanistan didn’t prevent some painful problems. And if the resistance was in “‘Murica” the pilots would still need fuel, food and supplies which are a lot easier to interrupt than in Afghanistan/Pakistan even if the air-crews were willing to bomb American suburban targets. I hope for a better solution, since the ones that pop into senile minds will lead to a brutality beyond belief. Gen. Austin didn’t seem to mind having Americans killed or maimed (in Iraq) but others may be a little more concerned. The wrinkle here is that the roads ands rails that supply the “Green Machine” also supply Mom, Pop, and the kiddies. Potentially very ugly, very quickly.
The price is what it is.
Wait until the Arizona audit is completed and the results reveal what I think is going to be massive fraud and a Trump win by a large margin. The rhetoric is going to be violent and very threatening towards the unbelievers like us. Biden’s statements from yesterday will sound positively pacific.
Not a good look.
The danger from Mr Biden’s mental incompetence, illustrated by his incoherence, is not a question of whether he actually intends his words as a threat against his countrymen. The danger is that the whole world, especially our enemies, realizes that the man who has his finger on the trigger of the mightiest military force in the world doesn’t know what he’s doing.
General Austin, General Milley, Lt. General Honore, Admiral Gilday, what a bunch to tools they have turned out to be. Praetorian Guard of the Woke.
1+0 “=” 2
So, the [anti]fascists murdered the unarmed woman as a warning and provocation. Where once they brayed Jew privilege, their neo-incarnations bray White privilege. Take a knee, beg, good boy, girl, and your little dog, too. A progressive path and grade. #HateLovesAbortion
Biden’s always been a bully who’s never had to back his shiite up.
During the campaign I was so hoping he’d poke that refinery worker in the chest & the fella would clock him before the SS could intervene…alas…& sigh.
But sure he’s threatening middle America…& he thinks he’s being cute.
He’s just saying the quiet part out loud…so act accordingly.
I think ol’ Biden The Wretched has it right when he says he has never seen the country this divided.
Art + Deco,
In war, the most grevious mistake one can make is to fundamentally underestimate an enemy. And if you don’t think that Obama and his ideological allies are at war with you, then you are a fool.
Mike+K,
There’s no doubt in my mind that Obama was groomed by others for his role. Nor that he was ‘directed’ and ‘advised’ up until his presidential candidacy. After that, he consulted with those whose opinions he valued but from the time of his 2008 candidacy on he was his own man. Once they “seize the brass ring” narcissists cannot tolerate being told what to do by others.
“You don’t shoot the guy in the tank. You shoot the guy driving the Gordons Food truck, to the base.” Richard Aubrey
Bingo. Nowhere near enough military to protect supply lines for blue state cities and treasonous military units.
“Amateurs talk about strategy and tactics. Professionals talk about logistics and sustainability in warfare” – Robert Hilliard Barrow (1922-2008), United States Marine Corps four-star general.
Mike-SMO,
You’re absolutely right that it could get very ugly, very quick with a brutality beyond belief. Do you think that the left’s activists will stop with just political dominance? Are you willing to accept 1984? Because the extreme radicals are in charge of the democrat party and many of them are proposing an insane level of evil.
@GB:
The military might mostly sit out the coming fun and games. This is what the PLA did during the height of the Cultural Revolution. When things turn to #@$%, powerful institutions batten down the hatches and take care of their own.
Americans are not used to Third World Ways (yet) — where the State Railways, the State Oil Company, the State Dog Catchers’ Collective all have their own network of universities and hospitals and Company Stores in Company Compounds, etc. Same goes for living arrangements for employees and retirees. You need these in a Crap Country because you cannot rely on anyone else to take care of things. It also just plain makes for good security. I’ve been in smaller towns in places like inland rural Hainan Island where you can see how the local Cadres all live in the same compound right next to the People’s Armed Police Baracks. No accident.
The PLA came out at the end and cleaned up when various Red Guard factions were fighting each other over differing interpretations of the Purity Spiral.
After all this digression… the US Military *is* used to Third World Ways. Not the Perfumed Pentagon Princes, but pretty much everyone else has been cycled through the Third World as part of the Forever War. They know what will happen to their families if they get involved. Push comes to shove, everybody moves on bases, bases lock down… any base commander stupid enough to obey orders from higher up to move on out against Deplorables won’t live long.
Now some Big City Police, FBI, FEMA, BATF, other armed to the teeth FedGov agencies we hardly know about — another story perhaps.
Well, those are fair points that you all have. Maybe I’m just too willing to give the old man the benefit of the doubt on some things. But I don’t like to be ruthless. We are still enjoined to pray for the governing authorities, so I do that. Along with that comes trying to be kind.
Anyone see the vid of the press conference today where Biden is whispering?! Beyond weird.
One of the things Biden and the left get completely wrong. Is that they believe those tactics would work.
First off the governments greatest asset is the fact it hoovers up all conversation on the internet. And from several reports any conversation you have within distance to a microphone. The creepy targeted ads you receive on mobile devices and computers after having a vague conversation regarding something similar. The targeted ads are really just the benefit that companies like Google and Amazon get for doing the governments dirty work.
As for F-15 and Nukes. The problem with insurrections is that the enemy is already behind your lines. Unless you are willing to destroy your own supply lines and personal. And completely undermine morale. Those tactics wont work. That is one of the reasons the left has tried so hard to pretend like there is some long term insurrection brewing. And pushing CRT so hard on the military. Because that is the only way you would be able to get them to turn on citizens quickly.
The reality I think is while there may be some odd groups like the supposed Jan 6th insurrectionists. Those are mostly easily lead people who the FBI can manipulate.
The real threat i believe is much more diffuse and not directed. Much more akin to what Instapundit termed a “preference cascade”. Where one the ball is rolling. Many more will join in. Making all the spying and infiltrating the alphabet agencies are doing. Minimally effective at best
@Mythx:
“The real threat i believe is much more diffuse and not directed. Much more akin to what Instapundit termed a “preference cascade”. Where one the ball is rolling. Many more will join in. Making all the spying and infiltrating the alphabet agencies are doing. Minimally effective at best”
Could be.
I was also thinking that there’s a cohort of 60-75 year old White Deplorable Males who have already seen several times over what it is like to die in a Palliative Care Ward on the LCP with a syringe driver in a world where God is Mostly Dead and Family is more an abstraction than a fact for some. Out with a Bang vs. Thickened Water: No Brainer.
Zaphod,
This is one of the reasons I think the Democrats have become so utterly desperate. On some level I believe they understand that during actual shooting. They suffer a general lack of competence in comparison. Its not that I underestimate them. In small groups they have demonstrated the will to play terrorist all too easily.
But they are generally left to burning buildings and cause general mayhem. Without being particularly effective. Most people trained by the military to this point skew heavily conservative. That is why the push for alphabet people by alphabet agencies.
Several years ago, a Leftist college professor was eagerly smacking his lips over the idea of using F-15s against ‘rightists’.
Now we have a president with similar fantasies.
He’s not making any kind of credible threat. He’s just babbling barely coherent drivel, as he is wont to do. Nobody should take this literally (or much of his dementia induced digressions seriously). I don’t doubt there are some leftists who would relish using F-15’s on deplorables. I don’t doubt some of these leftist occupy senior positions in this administration. But we are not to the point where such is actually seriously considered. Not yet, anyway.
Yep, the government has some mighty weapons. But Joe just raised the white flag after 20 years of war with a foe that only had IEDs, Kalasnikovs, and patience. The fancy weapons don’t seem to have carried the day in Afghanistan. Maybe strategy, tactics, and will have something to do with winning wars.
Another issue which Joe doesn’t get. Our soldiers are citizens who are sworn to protect the Constitution. Orders to attack a political foe don’t make that grade for any competent soldier. One f my memories of my service was a wise officer who reminded us that we were all subordinate to civilians. Their taxes paid our wages and their votes elected the government. IMO, the ,military would not carry out operations aimed at political foes. But as Zaphod said, other alphabet agencies in Homeland Security are a different story.
It’s indeed a tragedy that this has all come to pass. With Biden we are in dangerous waters. I agree with Philip Sells, it can’t hurt to pray.
Did the Jan 6 citizens have F-15’s? Some insurrection then.
Biden plagiarized (recycled?) a year-old line from Eric Swalwell. We’ve known for 20+ years that Biden talks a lot of (litteral) trash. Don’t get distracted.
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Wesson – the fact that Biden’s handlers resurrected Eric Stalwell’s comments from 2 years ago is troubling, not distracting. Biden did not say what he said off the cuff. Someone was sending the American people a message and I for one think they meant it.
I need to go back and read the transcript of the press conference. The coverage I’ve read so far focuses on the “you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.” threat, but in the context – he began by talking about reducing crime and, particularly, violent gun crime – I think he was trying to say that the argument that the 2nd Amendment right to own weapons exists to enable the people to remove a corrupt and dysfunctional government is moot because the government today has such superior weapons. I do agree, however, that with his history of bragging and bullying it is not unreasonable to interpret his comment as a threat.
As for Obama, there is nothing to be gained by downplaying or ignoring his political abilities – which I think are demonstrably strong. Doing so is just name calling.
As for Obama, there is nothing to be gained by downplaying or ignoring his political abilities – which I think are demonstrably strong.
Actually, his administration was a catastrophe for down-ballot Democrats. Mitt Romney blew it.
What you really need to overthrow the government is a partisan press, the ability to manufacture “votes”, and bureaucratic control.
In war, the most grevious mistake one can make is to fundamentally underestimate an enemy. And if you don’t think that Obama and his ideological allies are at war with you, then you are a fool.
People are at war with me and with you. Obama’s still an empty suit.
“The perpetual squinty eyes is most creepy to me. Is there a dementia med that causes eye dilation and thus his squint under bright illumination?”
–> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2723423/
Palestinians 73 years, Somalis 29 years, Vietnamese 28 years, Afghans 20 years, Houthis 7 years…
Lightly armed people can hold out for a very long time against modern armies, and as the Somalis, Vietnamese, and Afghans have shown can even defeat them.
What a man!
Regarding the squinty eye thing.
It seems to me that he is just trying to read the teleprompter without resorting to eyeglasses.
The humbling of Corn Pop was one of the pivotal events in American history.
By demonstrating that he would not be intimidated by an uppity person of color, J. Robinette Biden showed the world that it was he (in fact) who was the real “bad dude”. The bad dude went on to a brilliant career as an errand boy for the Wilmington credit banks, as an ardent admirer of Neil Kinnock, as the dude who advised Clarence Thomas that “politics ain’t bean-bag”, and as the faithful sidekick of the clean and articulate one.
J. Robinette also sired one R. Hunter – who in the year 2018 memorialized a wild weekend at The Chateau Marmont by video-taping his sexcapades with a Russian adventuress. Video highlights include R. Hunter balancing several M&Ms on his erect penis. Surely a chip off the old block.
Sadly, Corn Pop is no longer with us. He would have made an admirable addition to the Robinette cabinet.
“As far as I know, there is no precedent whatsoever for an American president saying anything even remotely like this to the political opposition, left or right.”
That is because no previous American president was a doddering old fool who likely requires assistance knotting his tie each morning. This is a bit off-color, and I apologize in advance for any offense taken – but I wonder if Uncle Joe’s handlers have the guy in adult diapers? Seriously.
Palestinians 73 years, Somalis 29 years, Vietnamese 28 years, Afghans 20 years, Houthis 7 years…Lightly armed people can hold out for a very long time against modern armies, and as the Somalis, Vietnamese, and Afghans have shown can even defeat them.
Thanks for the wish-cast, Bob. Always an education.
MBITRW, the Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza subsist on UNRWA doles and move farther and farther away from their political goals with each passing year. While we’re at it, you might let us in on which ‘modern army’ Somali brigands have been frustrating the last 29 years.
Someone should explicitly ask Biden if he would order airstrikes on communities harboring “insurrectionists”. I wonder how (if) he would answer. Of course no one in the lapdog Fourth Estate is going to ask that question.
The Minneapolis PD had been the Somali’s cheif adversaries.
I think these snippets of Biden holding forth are excruciating and terrifying.
Wish they were funny.
For some reason every time I see a reference to Biden’s “Cornpop” this song “pops” into my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgxNgVMcYNY
The worry is that the Biden babble is a refleion of the talk that he is hearing among those in “power”. He talks of F-15s, as in a conventional land war. I read that the population centers (cities) have about three days worth of food in the system, Those cities are dependent on the surround for food, fuel, water, electricity and most manufactured goods.
Old line: “Amateurs talk tactics, the “Pros” talk logistics”. Assuming the F-15 air-crews and their support staff follow orders from Washington, every strike brings the cities closer to starvation. Many “Progs” have talked of population reduction. A revolution will accomplish that. Maybe “They” plan on riding it out in their hide, surviving on their stash of cookies, water and batteries. They have to come out eventually and there will be a bunch of nasties waiting for them.
Maybe “They” think it will work. The Soviets and CCP murdered millions and stayed in power.
I suspect that most folks understand that when the gubbmint trucks arrive at a grocery, pharmacy, or farm, the person giving orders and the drIver(s) go first. “Dead man walking” is a difficult opponent.
Ugly, very very ugly.
The argument, I think, goes like this:
“So, you agree there can, and should, be limits on the types of weapons Americans can hold. It follows that we can limit, to the extent we want, the weapons Americans may hold.”
Sure, that argument is illogical. However, it does roll easily off the lips and makes as much sense as many other justifications that have worked for crazy leftist proposals.
“[Obama’s] administration was a catastrophe for down-ballot Democrats. Mitt Romney blew it.” – Art Deco
I agree he blew the campaign. But, any candidate against The (Actual) First Black President would be at a great disadvantage. We all know that complaints about Obama’s policies, and character, always and immediately elicited cries of “Racism!!” – regardless of any intrinsic merit.
However, given the allegations being made about Ballots for Biden having no marks for the Democrat candidates for other offices, can we really dismiss the idea that the 2008 election gave a little boost to Obama in a few strategic areas? I
IRC, there were several places where Romney got zero votes; granted, they were in heavily black Democrat cities, but where better to deep-six any votes that went Republican?
“What you really need to overthrow the government is a partisan press, the ability to manufacture “votes”, and bureaucratic control.” – Boatbuilder
Indeed.
“Palestinians 73 years, Somalis 29 years, Vietnamese 28 years, Afghans 20 years, Houthis 7 years…
Lightly armed people can hold out for a very long time against modern armies, and as the Somalis, Vietnamese, and Afghans have shown can even defeat them.” bob sykes
All of those examples have been able to hold out because the modern armies were (and are) restrained from waging all-out offensive war against them, with the goal of decisive victory being politically off the table.
@ Art Deco – in re Somalia, I’m not sure what “modern army” bob is referring to, but Wikipedia says the warring Somalian factions forced a withdrawal of UN peacekeepers after a short time in country: “UN military observers [arrived] in July 1992, followed by larger peacekeeping forces…The UN withdrew in 1995, having incurred large casualties and the UN-created police force collapsed.”
This seems to line up with what I’ve read, but I make no claims about it’s veracity.
It serves to illustrate that you don’t need an F-15 if a grenade-propelled rocket will do.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/battle-of-mogadishu-black-hawk-down-true-story
If bob is referring to the opportunistic brigands, aka pirates, they had been holding off various affronted nations for years until the victims fought back instead of paying ransoms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_off_the_coast_of_Somalia
Note to bob: I would like to know what you are counting as start and end dates, and the armies you are referring to. Some of the numbers don’t match my recollection.
“All of those examples have been able to hold out because the modern armies were (and are) restrained from waging all-out offensive war against them, with the goal of decisive victory being politically off the table.”
True. So all one has to do to Win is become a Genocidal Nazi?
Oh wait.. please excuse me while my Pavlovian conditioning kicks in and my brain short circuits.
*sparks and smoke emitted from ears*
(Always wise to carry a backup. Why else did I pick this handle?)
OK… Back to regular service now.
Imagine, if you will, in the Orwellian Mode, a Cuckolded Eunuch Being Kicked Forever.
But, any candidate against The (Actual) First Black President would be at a great disadvantage.
He wasn’t at a disadvantage at all. The only people who gave a rip about Obama having a Kenyan father aren’t the sort of people who ever vote Republican. Obama’s approval ratings in late 2011 were lousy.
forced a withdrawal of UN peacekeepers after a short time in country
They forced nothing. The powers contributing the troops couldn’t be bothered with Somalia. And, of course, x months is not 29 years.