A question that needs to be asked: were undercover government agents involved in instigating and/or planning the January 6th incursion?
Shortly after the January 6th Capitol incursion, many on the right claimed that leftist groups were involved as instigators. As far as I know, though, John Sullivan was the only named and charged person who possibly fit that category:
During the storming of the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, Sullivan entered the building with documentary filmmaker Jade Sacker and took extensive video, including video of the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. Sullivan could be heard saying “Dude, this shit’s gonna go viral” after Babbit’s death…
After the Capitol storming, Sullivan said he is not affiliated with BLM or antifa, nor with the pro-Trump crowd, although he supports Black Lives Matter. When asked about the use of antifa hashtags in his social media posts, he rejected being associated with the group, but has stated that he, along with his group, is anti-fascist. He also has called himself a citizen journalist. Saying he was at the Capitol storming as a photojournalist, he filmed himself chanting “we about to burn this shit down” and “we accomplished this shit. We did this together. Fuck yeah! We are all a part of this history”, “We gotta get this shit burned”, and “It’s our house, motherfuckers!” He also used a megaphone and shouted support. He said that he only said and did these things to “blend in” with the pro-Trump mob.
Sullivan has been charged with eight counts related to the riot. And yet, unlike many of the protestors who were far less provocative and violent (Sullivan broke a window), Sullivan has been released.
Now the website Revolver News has some observations and questions about the possible role of other January 6th demonstrators or planners – who may have been government agents. Caveat: there is no evidence that such a thing occurred, but here are the reasons that Revolver strongly suspects there may have been something of the sort:
We at Revolver News have noticed a pattern from our now months-long investigation into 1/6 — and in particular from our meticulous study of the charging documents related to those indicted. In many cases the unindicted co-conspirators appear to be much more aggressive and egregious participants in the very so-called “conspiracy” serving as the basis for charging those indicted.
The question immediately arises as to why this is the case, and forces us to consider whether certain individuals are being protected from indictment because they were involved in 1/6 as undercover operatives or confidential informants for a federal agency.
Here it is useful to draw a distinction between two discrete categories of participants in the so-called Capitol Siege.
The first category is the group of mostly harmless tourists who walked through already opened doors and already-removed barricades, and at most were guilty of minor trespassing charges and light property offenses. The second group consists of those who were violent with police officers, broke down barricades, smashed windows, belonged to a “militia” group engaged in military-style planning prior to the event, discussed transporting heavy weaponry, and so forth…
We are especially interested in the unindicted co-conspirators who belonged to any of the big three “militia groups” — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters. Indeed, it is these militia groups whose behavior, statements and planning leading up to and during 1/6 most closely align with the “violent insurrectionist” caricature we hear about in the media, and which the government claims to be going after in its aggressive prosecutions.
If it turns out that an extraordinary percentage of the members of these groups involved in planning and executing the Capitol Siege were federal informants or undercover operatives, the implications would be nothing short of staggering. This would be far worse than the already bad situation of the government knowing about the possibility of violence and doing nothing. Instead, this would imply that elements of the federal government were active instigators in the most egregious and spectacular aspects of 1/6, amounting to a monumental entrapment scheme used as a pretext to imprison otherwise harmless protestors at the Capitol — and in a much larger sense used to frame the entire MAGA movement as potential domestic terrorists.
That idea hadn’t occurred to me before, but it should have. Entrapment is a constant possibility in situations in which agencies such as the FBI infiltrate terrorist or other suspicious groups, supposedly in order to monitor them. I noticed many years ago that some of the Islamic terrorist attacks that were said to have been foiled in this country while still in the planning stages involved either entrapment by government agents or reason to suspect entrapment. And as recently as this past October, the story of the arrest of six men planning to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer seemed to feature FBI entrapment of the accused perps, as well.
Sure enough, in that same Revolver piece I linked and quoted from earlier, there’s more on the Whitmer kidnapping case that fits the entrapment scenario and has some suspicious parallels with certain aspects of January 6th:
…[W]hat if we told you that scarcely three months before the 1/6 Capitol Siege, the FBI arrested 14 people for planning to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the State Government — and that the alleged conspiracy to overthrow the State government involved storming of the State Capitol?
And what if we told you that of the 14 individuals who allegedly plotted the “kidnapping” and overthrow of the state government, at least five were undercover agents and federal informants? And as if that’s not enough, many of the individuals allegedly involved in this plot appear to belong to the “Three Percenters,” one of the very same militia groups now blamed for storming January 6.
And, as the cherry on top, what if we told you that the director of the Detroit FBI Field Office, who oversaw the infiltration operation of the Michigan Plot, was subsequently granted a highly coincidental promotion to the D.C. office, where he is now the lead FBI agent for all 1/6 cases?
As crazy as it sounds, all of this is true.
This is highly disturbing. I have no idea if it’s correct, but the information appears to be based on the FBI’s admissions and the DOJ’s own court filings. After what we’ve learned about the FBI’s role in Russiagate, it is unfortunately very believable.
More from Revolver:
The Michigan Plot did not start out as a kidnapping. According to the DOJ’s own indictment, the plot started as a plan to “storm the Capitol building” in Lansing, Michigan. And the “conspirators” would do so by amping up “at least 200 men” from an upcoming unrelated rally planned at the Michigan Capitol building (a rally that was focused on the Second Amendment, not insurrection) by agitating enough rallygoers to run inside and occupy the building.
Paragraph 10 of the FBI affidavit describes the plot to “storm the state capitol”…
There is so much more in the article that I can’t summarize it. but some of it involves various unindicted co-conspirators with roles in the January 6th incursion. Who are they? The article lays out the case for why they may indeed be government agents.
It sounds like a far-out theory, and one I would have thought highly unlikely and perhaps even preposterous just a decade ago. But now I find it believable, although still in the realm of speculation. I’m not aware of Revolver’s track record on this sort of thing – perhaps some of you have light to shed on their history of investigative reporting.
[NOTE: I learned about the Revolver News article last night when I was channel surfing and saw Tucker Carlson do a piece on it.]
Putin has pointed out that The USA seems to be leading the pack in holding political prisoners.
Tucker talked with the editor of Revolver last night. If even half-true, we have a serious problem.
It is entirely possible that Antifa was in the building stirring people up. It is also possible that the FBI was doing the same thing. And if the FBI knew about this and didn’t inform the Speaker and Capital Police, Wray must go and there needs to be a real inquiry. But I’m not holding my breathe. January 6 was our Reichstag fire. The Dems keeping using the same old tricks.
The Dems and Fake News hated Trump so much – both personally and professionally – that they’d do *anything* to get rid of him and make sure he never ran again. That’s what this NYC investigation is all about.
Just go back to that Time mag article about how they rigged the election. And now we find out Zuck paid millions to steal the election.
Patriots should storm the DC Bastille and release the political prisoners. And then burn the jail to the ground and salt the earth.
The two most important elements in attempting to unravel the complexities of any event shrouded in mystery are always “Follow the Money” and “Cui Bono?.” In the case of January 6th, the chaos (clearly worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11, according to the most unhinged on the left) was extremely useful in damaging not only Trump and those prepared to argue, on that day in Congress, that last November’s election was hardly unproblematic, but (in the future) all Trump-supporters, all conservatives, and, in fact, each and every citizen who refuses to accept an incompetent administration determined, in Soviet fashion, to delegitimize the opinions of and even to rescind the rights from all who oppose it in any manner. There has certainly not been any good reason to trust our corrupt “alphabet agencies” for years, and there is thus every reason to consider the strong possibility of the truth of what is being alleged by Darren Beattie, a highly articulate and extremely intelligent young man, whose website (Revolver) has published much important material (e.g. the “woke” insanity at The Pentagon).
I belong to a group that’s involved with self-reliance and community preparedness.
At a meeting in Feb or March, another gentleman (who is part of the III% movement) related that at a firearms training event, he and several others at the event were approached by a man not know to them except for having attended 1 or 2 prior meetings, asking if they wanted to buy a rocket launcher.
They laughed at the guy and told him to get the F out of here. Everyone was certain it was an FBI informant.
There’s a joke, if you’re in a group of 5, plotting mayhem, 1 person will be the true believer, one will be a follower and the other 3 will be feds or informants.
Note, about 90% of the manpower devoted to law enforcement is had by state and local police. At the federal level, we have specialized agencies to guard the coasts, guard the border, guard points of entry, track down drug traffickers, track down smugglers, enforce court orders, track down counterfeiters, and protect officialdom. We also have a subagency charged with producing codes and guarding the security of communications. We have one agency with a general mandate which has proven to have a rancid intramural culture. Let’s blow it up.
Last night, Gateway Pundit posted a two-hour interview with a retired Green Beret, who the FBI approached in April.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/now-audio-proof-fbi-dhs-attempted-recruit-green-beret-infiltrate-oath-keepers-jan-6-riot-recorded/
He recorded the conversation. The FBI agents were doing what he himself had done many times in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He didn’t hear back from them again until January 6, when they called him on his cellphone while he was providing security in Washington, D.C. (IIRC, right next to the stage while President Trump was speaking).
The attempted mass shooting at Garland TX during a meeting of Mohammed sketch artists and cartoonist years ago featured an FBI agent who was right there at the moment the two shooters exited their vehicle weapons drawn. I’ve yet to read a definitive account, though I’m increasingly motivated to find one.
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There is a true crime story playing on Netflix called, Nailbomber: Manhunt. I watched most of it, when I struck me. That story could be a roadmap of sorts.
It’s about a nationalist, white supremacist political movement in the U.K. fomented by politician John Tyndall and his BNP (British National Party) that somehow resulted in a series of deadly nail bombings and the ultimate capture of bomber David Copeland in 1999. The documentary prominently features an undercover character with the pseudonym Arthur who is videoed in the shadows. He is a self proclaimed aggressive anti-fascist and anti-racist who went undercover in the BNP and knows all of the sordid details of the their operation.
I know exactly zero about that story, and it could be 100% true. But this character Arthur is one of those fly-on-the-wall, too good to be true, know it all anonymous sources. Then I wondered if the whole story was being replayed here in America as a fake narrative. There were two pipe bombs planted in DC on 1/5/2021 or 1/6, and we’ve learned little about them.
WOW, here I was just telling a joke, before even reading the article. Read through the article, and:
“During one of the plot’s climactic scenes, in the main van driving up to look at Whitmer’s vacation house, three out of the five people in the van — 60 percent of the plot’s senior leaders — were undercover agents and operatives:”
I see no way any of these stories will be investigated unless the Republicans take Congress next year. Will that happen? The next question is whether the Republicans can be trusted. That is unknowable but the fact that the GOP has been so quiet since January 6 is not reassuring.
They laughed at the guy and told him to get the F out of here. Everyone was certain it was an FBI informant.
There’s a joke, if you’re in a group of 5, plotting mayhem, 1 person will be the true believer, one will be a follower and the other 3 will be feds or informants.
zenman:
I recall one SDS activist (Students for a Democratic Society — the prototypical 60s New Left group) told the story that when SDS would have a a national meeting, they would set up a special weapons and explosives workshop to smoke out the FBI/LE agents.
The joke turned out that within a year or two SDS split into Weatherman and other radical groups who were playing the weapons/bombs game for real.
I think some talk show host should begin every program with “Americans Held Hostage – Day 152” etc., similar to what Ted Koppel did every night during the Iran hostage crisis. Someone has to shine a light on American citizens being held as political prisoners.
“I’m from the government, and I’m here to help”.
Ashli Babbitt’s husband does not yet know the identity of her killer (H/T Legal Insurrection).
And hundreds of Jan. 6 Capitol invaders remain locked in solitary confinement, for months now, none for violent anti-personnel charges, but only breaking and entering or the equivalent. Pity they aren’t Antifa/BLM in WA or CA; they’d be freely walking the streets within hours of their arrests.
Welcome to Democratic Rule. Life was better under Gorbachev, Putin even.
Welcome to Democratic Rule. Life was better under Gorbachev, Putin even.
Cicero:
Perhaps you’ve noticed this story from a North Korean defector:
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North Korean defector slams ‘woke’ US schools
A North Korean defector said she viewed the US as country of free thought and free speech – until she went to college here.
Yeonmi Park attended Columbia University and was immediately struck by what she viewed anti-Western sentiment in the classroom and a focus on political correctness that had her thinking “even North Korea isn’t this nuts.”
“I expected that I was paying this fortune, all this time and energy, to learn how to think. But they are forcing you to think the way they want you to think,” Park told Fox News. “I realized, wow, this is insane. I thought America was different but I saw so many similarities to what I saw in North Korea that I started worrying.”
The 27-year-old told The Post that she could’t believe she would be asked to do “this much censoring of myself” at a university in the United States.
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Columbia University did not immediately respond to The Post’s request for comment.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/14/north-korean-defector-slams-woke-us-schools/
Julie Kelly, at American Greatness, has been investigating and writing about 1/6/21. Do read her work. In her May 10 article “Why Is the Government Hiding January 6 Video Footage?” she explains that 14,000 hours of video from the extensive, 24-7 surveillance cameras in the Capitol building that day are under seal by the court, and defense attorneys for the 400+ political prisoners are being thwarted in trying to see them. Significantly, Senator Ron Johnson sent a letter to the Capitol hill police seeking additional information regarding activities at a doorway just before the “beginning” of the incident. Link. Sounds like some persons were doing something suspicious.
Maybe it is time to ask Vladimir Putin to intervene on behalf of American political prisoners,.
For example, a correctional officer from a different pod came to C2B screaming at us late at night on 6/1/21 because we had just sang ‘God Bless America’ [sic] from behind our locked doors like we do every night. Being as we are on lockdown 22 hours a day it’s nice to keep morale up through patriotism. When [name omitted by American Greatness], my next door neighbor, informed the officer that we were just singing ‘God Bless America’ the officer responded by yelling, ‘Fuck America!’
After the officer left the pod for several minutes he came back in through the back door with another guard, walked upstairs, and opened [name omitted]’s door to go inside with him. I believe 2 other guards came up the other stairs to stand near [his] door as well, although I could not see them. I live right next door so I listened through the vent to the officer threaten [him], ‘Shut the fuck up or I will beat your ass!’ and, ‘Fuck you!’
[He] sounded like he was explaining himself and pointing out how obviously inappropriate the officer’s behavior was. And acknowledging that the officer’s camera was clearly turned off.
I am concerned for the safety of myself and my fellow Capitol rioters here in the DC jail. We are locked down all day and threatened with violence regularly. We all know that getting our hands tied together and being beaten is something the DC jail officers have already done to Capitol rioters in this pod.
Sounds a bit like the Hanoi Hilton.
The Wikipedia page on the Garland TX, Curtis Culwell Center attack is surprisingly good. This section and the paragraph before it are informative.
Some of the weapons were obtained by the convicted criminal and perpetrator Nadir Soofi, who magically cleared background checks via Eric Holder’s ATF gunwalking scandal.
The on-scene FBI agent?
… the undercover FBI agent “was dressed in Middle Eastern attire and police almost killed him, but he saved his life by claiming to be an FBI agent.”
I believe a cop, wounded in the foot at the Garland affair, sued the feds. He lost the case because, according to the judge, the fibbies were acting within their scope. Words to that effect .
https://freebeacon.com/issues/judge-dismisses-lawsuit-alleging-fbi-role-in-2015-terror-attack-in-texas/
So this stuff is within their scope. How much further does the scope extend and what are the career effects of going beyond it?
There were plenty of claims they did this shit back in the 90s, with militias, after McVeigh. They had actors push and prod reluctant people in the militia until they finally said or agreed with something “damning” (often possibly just to shut up the pushy asshole “presumed agent after the fact”, with no actual intention to follow through), and then arrested and charged them with conspiracy.
Yes Richard. Your link and mine have the following or similar,
On December 21, 2018, US District Court Judge Karen Gren Scholer dismissed Joiner’s lawsuit. In her opinion, Judge Scholer wrote: “The Court finds that the conduct alleged by Plaintiff fall[s] within the scope of the discretionary authority conferred on the FBI by the Undercover Guidelines and the [DIOG (Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide)].
If I’m reading that correctly, it is BS. “conduct falls within the scope conferred on the FBI by the DIOG”?? Did Congress write the DIOG and pass it as legislation? I believe the DIOG was written by the FBI itself. At best, it was written with the help of crack FBI lawyers like Peter Strzok so as to comply with federal law.
Your link has the added twist that the FBI sent “an innocuous” text message to the perpetrators encouraging them “to tear up Texas.” Incitement to criminal violence?
Grim.
January 6 2021 may not have been a “happy occasion,” and the Capitol Police can’t be bothered with questions of “who killed who,” but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Officer Lancelot protecting Camelot.
However there was a window involved and Ashli Babbit (RIP) was not a prince expecting Officer Lancelot to kill her.
Grim. Those running the Swamp Castle don’t have to answer questions.
https://youtu.be/wg30ino19Zc
“That idea hadn’t occurred to me before…”
Indeed, but the whole thing stank from the get-go and it became even more putrid as revelations about the false—and staged—reporting began to leak out.
The problem is that no one want to say this kind of thing outright because it smacks of conspiracy theory and will be labeled as such by the usual suspects.
However, Russiagate was also planned, designed, orchestrated and executed in precisely in a way to make it appear as though anyone who would bring up the convoluted and complicated would automatically be accused of being a—guess what!—conspiracy theorist.
Ditto for the November election.
It’s Obama’s Modus Operandi, repeated time and time again, employed to win his Senator’s seat in Chicago, used in “Fast and Furious”, exploited in the IRS scandal, hauled out for the “IRAN” betrayal, really polished up for Russiagate, dusted off for UN Resolution 2334—and then unleashed once again at a level far above and beyond all the other “non-scandals” for the 2020 election
No, the Democrats will STOP AT NOTHING…alas we already know this, at least rationally.
The problem is that it’s immensely difficult to truly digest it emotionally; come to terms with it; actually believe it.
Moreover, I’m convinced that the Democrats KNOW this and they understand that it gives them a huge advantage when facing basically decent, law-abiding people.—Whether it’s a Bolshevik-style, “Who will be the most ruthless?” Or a more general, “He who dares wins.”
Or Obamian “AUDACITY…of hope” to transform America…
The plaintiff, Bruce Joiner, in that case against the FBI agent was an unarmed school security guard. He got shot in the ankle.
Sorry about the typos, etc. (which seem to be MY MO):
“…wants to say…”
“…and executed precisely in…”
“…convoluted and complicated plot…”
I remember three things from that time.
I was struck by the crowd members who looked just like Antifa goons, but they were in tie-died red and orange instead of the standard black and white. One of them was photographed looking straight into the camera wearing a full tear gas mask with the sealed eye shield and a pair of air filter canisters. Just what the casual protester wears to a demonstration.
The man who was at the front inciting the crowd into rushing the barriers was a tall black man later identified as an Antifa leader from Utah. He was held and subsequently let go.
Michael Yon, the war correspondent, identified many in the crowd as Antifa by their tactics based on his experience dealing with them in Portland and Europe.
https://youtu.be/tQdecyBHqNU
One other important (I believe) thing is that while you do mention John Sullivan (though was he “former antifa”? Or was he “former BLM”?)…
“…[John] Sullivan entered the building with documentary filmmaker Jade Sacker and took extensive video, including video of the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. Sullivan could be heard saying “Dude, this shit’s gonna go viral” after Babbit’s death…”
…you neglect to mention (here, at least) that Sullivan, who I believe was wearing a GoPro-style camera, was filming the mayhem even as he was instigating it—and then SOLD the footage to media networks (including—surprise—CNN) who then promptly supersaturated the news with it: “All TRUMP-INSPIRED Insurrection! ALL THE TIME!!”.
Those media companies paid Johnson (IIRC) $70,000 for it, which he was forced to return prior to his release(!!).
This whole thing is scandalous in and of itself, but no, I don’t believe the media were held accountable for it—or even saw themselves as complicit in this staged drama that was manipulated, and is still being manipulated, to foment further injustice and to tear this country further apart.
(Would it be inconceivable that they even asked him to do it?)
Also, if IIRC, the reason why testimony during Impeachment 2 was curtailed is because the Republicans threatened to force Pelosi to testify on the details of the bizarre performance of “her” US Capitol Police force (along with the strange responses of other LE agencies, as well as the refusal to call in the National Guard in advance to reinforce law and order in DC on that day), which is something she—for some reason—decided she’d rather not do.
The whole thing stinks. The Democrats know it. And I think this is one reason why the battle against “White Supremacy” (AKA Trump Supporters, AKA half the country) is accelerating at this point in time.
The holding of trespassers as revolutionaries is most concerning to me. Been keeping up with Julie Kelly’s articles, and was a final driver in a very long desire to read Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s trilogy Gulag Archipelago. The government is stating to repeat the Soviets.
The link embedded at the end of the first excerpt goes here:
https://www.revolver.news/2021/03/democrat-bill-uses-counter-american-intel-to-wage-war-on-maga/
Cue “Alien and Sedition Act 2.0” –
Many more details at the post, including documents, and it’s much worse than is alleged by the commentary on the “domestic terrorism bill” at the usual right-wing sites. Silver lining: it could be used against promoters of the Russiagate conspiracy. Dark cloud: it wouldn’t be.
Related post:
https://www.revolver.news/2021/04/cnn-sicknick-bear-spray-fake-news-julian-khater-george-tanios/
“One Month Later CNN Finally Admits What Revolver Reported All Along: No Bear Spray Stream in NYT Sicknick Video”
They bring the receipts.
Barry Meislin wrote, “The problem is that it’s immensely difficult to truly digest it emotionally; come to terms with it; actually believe it.”
No. Saddening, but not actually difficult.
Meandered over to the Revolver home page, and they have some updates from other sites as well as their own (I have not listened to the videos yet & there are no transcripts).
Too many links to list them all. Their headlines.
Whoops: Twitter inadvertently all but confirms Revolver’s Jan. 6th federal informant scoop…
https://twitter.com/ArthurTheHat/status/1405224301494681602
I did read this one – typical legalese.
They did it.
Just In — Darren Beattie on War Room: Was 1/6 an intelligence failure or an intelligence setup? (video only)
https://rumble.com/vimj8p-was-jan.-6-the-result-of-an-intelligence-set-up.html
Breaking: Matt Gaetz calls on Wray to disclose role of FBI on Jan. 6th…
https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/16/rep-gaetz-calls-on-fbi-director-wray-to-fully-disclose-the-role-fbi-operatives-played-in-instigating-the-jan-6-capitol-riot/
The Democrats hate it when Republicans actually read the right-wing news. Or possibly, feed stories to it. The Left is supposed to have a monopoly on that technique. This is not Gaetz’s first sally against the opposition; maybe he had some assertiveness training somewhere.
There have been some reports that the FBI has been targeting Gaetz with the “reports” about his “scandals; may be some fire behind that smoke (taking no position on Gaetz’s guilt or innocence, just that we’ve seen this MO from the Left before, lots of times).
Federal entrapment? Tucker Carlson and Darren Beattie blow the lid off Jan. 6th (Video)…
https://tv.gab.com/channel/revolvernews/view/federal-entrapment-darren-beattie-and-tucker-60c97556411668102350a0c8
Boom: Paul Gosar enters Revolver News report into Congressional record (Video)…
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/at-hearing-paul-gosar-says-capitol-rioter-ashli-babbitt-was-executed-by-police-officer-lying-in-wait/
Remember, that was a post from Mediaite, sending out the spin memo – or at least reading from it.
Dan Bongino: What the heck was the FBI doing? (video only)
https://bongino.com/ep-1543-what-was-the-fbi-doing
The best historical analogy to the storming of the Capitol Bldg is the burning of the Reichstag in 1933.
This incident gave Hitler the excuse to impose draconian “legal” measures and imprison “enemies of the state.”
Those in the executive branch and their pals in the FBI, DOJ, IRS, NSA, etc., are literally criminals and thugs.
Unfortunately, they will never be held to account, even if the dumbpublicans controlled 90 seats in the US Senate, 400 seats in the House, 9 seats of the SCOTUS plus the Presidency.
The circumstances are now such that there’s no reasonable doubt left, it was a false flag operation that piggybacked upon protestors petitioning their government for redress of their grievances.
All the democrats are doing is piling up a mountain of grievances.
“when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
“Joe Biden’s administration announced their plans to create ways for Americans to report radicalized friends and family to the government…”
Barry Meislin,
The problem with repeatedly and increasingly stomping on the face of decent, law-abiding people… is that it inevitably awakens “a sleeping giant.”
“There’s no stopping a man who knows he’s in the right and keeps a-coming.” — Louis L’Amour
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“Unfortunately, they will never be held to account…”
Think of it as the “Flood ’em with scandals” strategy (AKA “inundate ’em with the counter-intuitive and the simply unbelievable”), the CONCEPT being that not only will the people trying to figure out the truth be so DAZED AND CONFUSED at the convolutions and layers of deception; but those same searchers will—automatically—be ridiculed as pathetic “conspiracy theorists”. “All these scandals?? Of such massive magnitude? Of such extraordinary breadth and extensive reach? Go ahead! Prove it!” (And then of course, there are the false leads and outrageous claims planted by the original perpetrators, all meant to send the seekers of truth barking up the wrong tree, further exposing them to ridicule and charges of conspiracy mongering….)
Reminds one of Russiagate, of course; but more so, it resonates for me (at least) the multitude—the flood—of crises engineered thus far by the “Biden” administration…with more, no doubt, coming down the pike.
Now why would “Biden” be doing that? Isn’t “his” aim to help “his” country? Improve the life of its citizens? Etc., etc.
The answer is, “Sorry, no, you’re making totally wrong assumptions; asking all the wrong questions. If this were a normal administration, you’d be perfectly justified, but your reality, based on the past and on reason, is not the current reality.”
IOW, there are so many crises currently being engineered that people are getting dizzy, starting to wonder, starting to ask questions, starting to sound just like—yes—conspiracy theorists!… For which they’ll be ridiculed, mocked, slandered, shamed and DAZED AND CONFUSED. And ultimately shamed and ostracized. And deemed crazy. Anti-social. Deplorable nutters.
Besides, weakening the country and keeping it IN permanent crisis is just the thing to DISTRACT the population and keep ’em occupied…even as “Biden”, with the help of the mighty media and info-tech orgs., propagandizes mightily on how “his” programs and goals MUST be implemented so as to IMPROVE the lives of ALL of America’s citizens, etc., etc.,—oh, and the world, too, don’t forget (even as “Biden” ‘s tactics are to ratchet up—to red-line—the level of race hatred and tribalism in the country…a very good thing, apparently, no?)
And…I forgot to mention that ALL THINGS BAD can always be blamed on ORANGE MAN VERY BAD. So there’s that escape valve always at the ready….
In any event, there’s so many scandals, that one waxes nostalgic for some of the earlier ones, in the spirit of which one can “compare and contrast” the following:
https://www.newsmax.com/bernardkerik/arizona-forensic-audit-2020-ballots/2021/06/15/id/1025217/
https://twitter.com/CarmineSabia/status/1404831541663047681
…while noting the STASI-like tactics that “Biden” ‘s scorched earth, divide-and-conquer, Alinsky-Rules’ orgy has been encouraging….”to build a better world”(!):
https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/the-jay-bergman-debacle-an-extended-study-in-academic-cancel-culture
H/T Powerline blog.
So much so, in fact that it makes one wonder not so much “What hath the Democrats been smoking?” (since it’s all intentional, all planned) as “What hath the Democrats wrought?”….
There is a rather provocative video which argues based on video footage of various participants, and close (possibly doctored) still and video shots of “Ashlee Babbitt” that the “insurrection” was produced using “crisis actors” who are generally employed for disaster response drills, and that “Ashlee Babbitt” wasn’t actually shot.
I don’t vouch for it. But there is an awful lot in there, particularly the oddly unconcerned behavior of those in close proximity to gunfire in the halls of congress, that is hard to unsee.
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/everything-wrong-with-the-capitol-shooting-in-21-minutes-or-less/
It won’t see the air of day until the volume of ordinary Americans protesting the incarceration of uncharged people, begins to be heard by all. The FBI and the Democrats are waiting to ‘pounce’ on anything that they can turn into an example of white supremacist militia activism, their Booga-Booga flavor of the month.
I am a little surprised that nobody has started a back-of-the-milk-carton type of public appeal to raise general awareness that this country has been keeping uncharged citizens in solitary confinement for over 6 months, with no prospect of anything other than misdemeanor charges.
It is a National Disgrace, and yet Republican leaders, and conservative lawyers, seem remarkably uninterested in making noise. And of course, Trump is unable to say a word, strategically. Or is he?
I will say that I am very surprised normally-vocal legal advocates like Alan Dershowitz or Robert Barnes or William Jacobson, or Jonathan Turley, have not said a blessed word towards organizing this cause, that I can see. A shame – maybe it’s been made radioactive by the coverage, but even radioactivity has a half-life.
I am certainly not familiar with the law to any great extent, but wouldn’t this be a situation begging for an application of writ of habeas corpus?
Short answer but most likely true is YES!
boatbuilder,
Mark Twain’s observation that, “There are lies, damned lies and statistics.” applies to those assertions.
Though not personally targeted, Ashli Babbit was executed at the orders of elements within the Xiden Administration, the democrat party leadership and the Deep State. Murdering in cold blood, a young white woman was designed for maximum intimidation, if even women aren’t safe, then men opposed to the left can forget about Constitutional protections.
Casting doubt upon reality itself is the Marxist Left’s most basic tactic.
It has the longest of providence, uttered in the garden by the ‘serpent’ to Eve… “you won’t surely die…” it’s so tried and true that even now it fuels the lotto scam; “sooner or later, someone has to win, right?” So, it could be you…
The best historical analogy to the storming of the Capitol Bldg is the burning of the Reichstag in 1933.
This incident gave Hitler the excuse to impose draconian “legal” measures and imprison “enemies of the state.”
I agree completely. The next question is whether any GOP members or Senators have the guts to start questioning the scenario.
Alec Jones earned much derision and shame for the “crisis actors” scenario that he repeated after the Sandy Hook, Newson Connecticut school shooting.
Ashli Babbitt (RIP) murdered by the Swamp/Deep State. QAnon kills.
Who benefits from production and distribution of such? Ghouls monetizing murder and sowing disinformation IMO.
I propose relocating FBI Headquarters to a more congenial spot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rico,_Colorado
In the interests of presenting alternative arguments, because we are open-minded and not siloed, here is AP from HotAir exculpating the FBI.
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/06/16/tucker-what-if-fbi-operatives-actually-organized-the-insurrection-n397206
His defense is mostly legalistic legerdemain (the unindicted co-conspirators aren’t FBI agents because agents can’t be conspirators because they have no intent to conspire to commit a crime), but some objections are more rational, maybe even correct for a few of the UCC (providing evidence in return for a plea deal), but all 20 of them?
And we know the FBI organizes criminal events so they can get credit for stopping them & jail the perps they egged on.
Also, AP does not address the other crucial observations regarding the grossly disproportionate treatment of the alleged insurrectionists, the stonewalling of evidence needed by the defense, and the suppression of videos and records that would have been produced much more promptly in any other situation.
One point of Revolver and Tucker’s posts IMO is that they are challenging the DOJ: prove the unindicted “co-conspirators” aren’t your minions. Whether that will get any action from an agency now so invested in lying to the public and Congress that you can’t really believe anything they say is debatable.
“…legalistic legerdemain…”
AF, this would appear to echo Leslie McAdoo Gordon’s (and Andrew McCarthy’s) take on the terminology/phenomenon, though I wouldn’t call objections/clarifications coming from those two, “legerdemain”. To be sure anything emanating from the AP must by definition, be suspect.
Nonetheless:
https://twitter.com/McAdooGordon/status/1405421586027630595
https://twitter.com/McAdooGordon/status/1405371005678333954
Goes without saying that a whole lot of unknowns remain unanswered about this circus, though….
Some saw it coming, from Gab CEO:
Me in December: guys there’s a fed psyop going on, fedposters are promoting violence on Gab and we are banning them instantly. Please help us surface them by reporting them asap. (https://news.gab.com/2020/12/10/gabs-statement-on-the-website-targeting-u-s-election-officials/)
Me in January: the fed psyop unfolded just like I warned about in December, thank you for your help stopping it on our end (https://news.gab.com/2021/01/08/a-message-from-gabs-ceo/)
Me now: @RevolverNews and Tucker exposed the Jan 6th psyop to the entire nation.
AF and Barry:
I didn’t sufficiently emphasize the link to Sen. Ron Johnson’s letter in my comment. He raises interesting questions.
https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/F8EEEE5C-12AE-4D10-A8E3-4EA857C3119C
And we have the President of the United States saying a Capitol police officer was murdered by the insurrectionists. Joe said it so it must be true. Couldn’t remember Brian Sicknik’s name without cheat notes. We’re in such good hands.
GB-I don’t know what it means. The guy who did the video seems to think that the whole thing was staged to mimic “insurrection”, and that the shooting was part of what the crisis actors were doing-it was supposed to enrage and inflame the protesters.
It’s all very odd. Especially the plastic windows.
boatbuilder:
Monetizing the murder of Ashli Babbitt (RIP) by some dude.
Polycarbonate (Lexan) glazing, yeah that’s really unusual (not).
This model worked well for Alex Jones.
Yes. We are witnessing a slow-rolling coup d’etat fronted by a feeble-minded grifter who says Queen Elizabeth reminds him of his mother.
To borrow from a now cancelled UK Telegraph reporter: perhaps Hunter will name his next illegitimate daughter Georgiana Floydiana.
The madness of King Joe. Come on man!
I really have no optimism for our country.
And I feel afraid having contributed money to Trump and posted on sites like this. The unbelievable keeps happening and becoming more and more unbelievable.
A nightmare impossible to awake from.
Yes Jeanne –
Any day now Merrick Garland will announce: “The greatest threat our country is facing comes from the people posting on Neo’s site.”
Neo?
Oh, you mean the parrot. Right.
All joking aside though, while there may be some legitimate concerns—given the politicization of EVERYTHING, of which the general canceling of humor across the board is symptomatic—I’m fairly sure that those of us who post anonymously should be pretty safe.
Jeanne:
There are over 75 million of us. And though some would say I’m naive, we have truth and justice on our side.
Spot on! I haven’t delved into this aspect of the 1/6 protest, but I can comment on the Whitmer kidnapping plot.
From the moment I heard the FBI report on the radio as it was happening, I said this is B-S. While I don’t hang with these crackpots, being from Michigan I’ve crossed paths with their kind. There was no way the Whitmer kidnapping was their idea.
First, they are not the sharpest tools in the shed. FBI agents infiltrated in the group are generally recruited from the highest ranks of the best colleges. The plot was way too complicated. It was almost, okay, it was meticulous in it’s planning. These dudes can’t count dollar bills high enough to buy a six pack of Bud Light. Somebody was the mastermind. It had to be the FBI.
Second, money, money, money. They live in their mom’s trail home and can’t hold a job because they play video games all night and don’t wake up in time for work. Where did they get the money to buy any of the guns, tools, materials, vehicles, etc. to pull this off. Somebody was funding them. It had to be the FBI.
Third, resources and connections. These guys barely know where to find a fishing or hunting license. Their connections involve knowing a guy who can fix their septic field with a backhoe. Where could they have found the people and explosives necessary to pull this plan off? Somebody was putting them together with people who can. It had to be the FBI.
Bottom line – The Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI initiative almost from the start. Why is it too hard to believe that the FBI didn’t do the same thing on 1/6?
Thanks, Awesome Neo Commentators . . . by my third cup of coffee this morning I came to my senses.
Just to keep following the trail – this is from Shipwreckedcrew, who we have generally cited positively here at the Salon, but whereas I will pay more attention to him than to AP at HA (remember, we don’t know who either one of them are in real life), I think he also gets caught up in the McCarthy Finger Trap: we also remember how hard it was for Andy to get his head around the idea that highly placed, experience, “professional” lawyers, some of them his friends, could commit the many illegalities (and irregularities where not illegal) in the Russiagate operations. He was only very reluctantly freed from the trap, and he forthwith stuck his fingers in again on Impeachment 2.0.
I don’t think his several characterizations of the UCCs generate a Venn set that excludes FBI agents among them.
https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/06/17/about-that-revolver-story-claiming-fbi-agents-informants-are-the-unnamed-co-conspirators-in-jan-6-indictments-n398244
RTWT and decide. YMMV
He promises additional posts, and they shall be perused.
Cap’n – thanks for drawing attention to Sen. Johnson’s letter; I missed the link in your first comment (although I do read Julie’s posts avidly).
“Sounds like some persons were doing something suspicious.”
Indeed.
Or at least “looks like,” as Johnson mentions several times that there is no audio.
“The holding of trespassers as revolutionaries is most concerning to me. Been keeping up with Julie Kelly’s articles, and was a final driver in a very long desire to read Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s trilogy Gulag Archipelago. The government is stating to repeat the Soviets.” – skip
Stu Cvrk thinks so too, although his villain of choice is the Stasi, in this post.
https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/06/17/if-biden-wants-to-paint-trump-supporters-as-domestic-terrorists-ich-bin-ein-inlandischer-terroristischen-n397482?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=-1
(His German may be a little rusty, but the idea comes across fine.)
The only thing I can conclude, is that 1/6, and the reaction to it, was/is a clusterf@ck from a law enforcement, security and justice standpoint.
Glenn Greenwald, nearly alone among the pundits, says there is substance to the Revolver report, and dismisses the legalistic legerdemain as being an incomplete analysis. He is referring to Left wingers (who he particularly despises for flip-flopping from “Never trust the Agencies” to “how dare you question the Agencies!”) – but it’s the same substance as I raised about AP and SWC on the Right.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/questions-about-the-fbis-role-in
Asking questions is the only way you ever get any answers.