Rand Paul gets to say…
…a very satisfying I told you so.
I wonder how much this Wuhan lab coverup story will filter down to the rank and file Democrat voter, and whether it will matter. If past experience is any guide, it won’t make any difference. But a person can hope.
One of the most amazing things that has happened through all this is the complete discounting of the acquisition of immunity through infection which has been one of Sen. Paul’s big things.
This has been known as a medical fact for centuries but not now.
IIRC, for quite a while, at least in the early day, the MAGI were claiming that catching COVID would NOT necessarily provide the person who recovered with any significant immunity, at least not on a consistent basis.
Then, I believe they changed that claim to, “but the variants/mutations would still pose a threat to anyone with antibodies”.
That changed to, those recovering from COVID would develop immunity, but how much immunity was an open question and was not consistent across the board, especially for those who suffered from “mild” cases”.
Now there are reports that having recovered from the disease—mild or serious—provides extensive and long-term immunity.
Such theorizing would appear to be driven by the editors of “MAD Magazine” or perhaps those who subscribe to the fortune-cookie method for predicting the future.
(Tea leaves and coffee grinds are equally acceptable, but one ought draw the line at Ouija boards.)
Barry,
Yes, the ‘COVID is unlike any respiratory illness ever’ line has popped up so many times in the 16 months. They never really say why that would be but hey who cares, TRUMP!!
A year or so ago I was regularly linking to a Newsweek article that talked about the Gain of Function Research at Wuhan and Dr Fauci’s support thru NIH. I would try to point out that Newsweek was not a right wing site. The comments I would get from lefties were ones of dismissal. Maybe some more middle of the road types actually looked at the site. The Newsweek article was from a left wing site, but the dominant narrative was that it was natural, so little consideration that it might have been conjured up in a lab. Most true Progressives seem to refuse to consider what is not part of the dominate narrative. There has to be some kind of critical mass of sites they trust to make a dent in their thick skulls. One or two will not do.
Barry and Griffen,
Not only all you list about natural immunity, but the same pretzel logic applies to the vaccine. It protects, but really doesn’t, etc etc. Again flying against 100 years of vaccine science.
An “I told you so” is far from enough. Fauci, the leadership of the WHO & CDC are guilty of mass murder. The democrat leadership is complicit in this monstrous crime as well. The media also shares responsibility. If a corrupt justice system enables the responsible parties to escape accountability for their criminality, then other means will need to be implemented.
But first, the full truth must come out. Then, justice must be served. Because otherwise, violent redress of grievance or acceptance of a servile servitude will be all that is left.
Back in April of 2020 there was a piece in “The Asia Times” about Fauci outsourcing gain-of-function research to Wuhan. This admission was followed by insinuating that the US was really at fault for making a lab with poor security do the research that the US labs with greater security wouldn’t do. I think they expected the lab leak story to take off back then and this was an attempt to get out in front and blame the US.
https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/why-us-outsourced-bat-virus-research-to-wuhan/
‘I wonder how much this Wuhan lab coverup story will filter down to the rank and file Democrat voter’
It barely will, if at all.
‘And whether it will matter.’
It won’t.
‘If past experience is any guide, it won’t make any difference.’
Correct.
‘But a person can hope.’
Oh sure; one can hope. I hope I win the lottery, even though I haven’t played it in the last 15 years, or so. But…one can always hope.
“If you don’t know the truth you are ignorant.
If you don’t WANT to know the truth you’re a Democrat.”
@geoffb:
Asia Times is owned partly.. probably mostly (he’s made far more money in career than his ostensible publishing partner) by one David Goldman who in the past wrote as ‘Spengler’ on Demographics and many other subjects.
He’s super smart, super erudite, and not averse to spending his own money to get his opinions in print:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_P._Goldman
“Goldman was global head of credit strategy at Credit Suisse 1999-2002, Global Head of Fixed Income Research for Bank of America 2002-2005, and Global Head of Fixed Income Research at Cantor Fitzgerald 2005-2008. He subsequently was a partner at Yunfeng Financial in Hong Kong, an investment bank later acquired by Jack Ma. He continues to advise CEOs and institutional investors. He is a regular contributor to Claremont Review of Books, Law and Liberty, Tablet Magazine, the Wall Street Journal, First Things (where he was senior editor during 2009-2011). ”
I’d mark him as a good old fashioned Jewish Neocon… who has Noticed Racial Demographics (originally through the Israeli Lens) but basically considers himself to be a fair player: i.e. he’ll do business with anyone not Iranian or Palestinian :). He’s done some good work in holding up the Chinese Mirror to the state of the US today, much in the way that Voltaire held up his ideas of the (more imagined than real) Chinese as a mirror to Ancien Regime France in some of his writings.
I like the way he tells Americans they need to Wake Up and get a clue about just how the Chinese are eating their lunch. He should know. You don’t go around investing in and brokering deals without getting a good grasp of just how things are.
One gets a feeling that there’s not too much Speaking Truth to Power happening in the other direction with ye Chinks. Maybe a spot of allusive and elliptical Kissingerian Philosophising over endless pots of aged Pu Erh Tea.
I’ll let you form your own judgement as to whether or not all his interests are aligned with those of the rest of us and any implications for editorial policy.
Zaphod,
Thank you. I’ve read pieces by “Spengler” many times in the past at various places and, agree or disagree, he was always an interesting and informative read. I didn’t know any of that about him so I thank you for the information. That article was the first time I saw anything about Fauci and gain-of-function though I saw a couple more later around that same time period, Spring 2020. Then the whole topic died until now.
@geoffb:
Glad to have been of help.
I respect Goldman. He’s honest about where he’s coming from and pretty transparent about his interests and involvements. But context matters.
Rand Paul gets to say a very satisfying “I told you so”…that won’t matter a bit.
The damage is done. I’m not seeing a road out of this mess unless & until there are some long-overdue punishments being meted out. I hate that…but neither the Chinese nor their puppets running the basic show in the US now are going to go quietly.
“One of the most amazing things that has happened through all this is the complete discounting of the acquisition of immunity through infection which has been one of Sen. Paul’s big things.
This has been known as a medical fact for centuries but not now.” Griffin
This. As a person who recovered from the virus without the assistance of any medicine and have seriological proof of the IGG antibodies since last April and am married to a man who was told to “go home” when he presented ill at a hospital during the time of the 1st lockdown which we were told was in place to assist those who presented sick at the hospital and was thereby denied the oxygen and fluids that would have saved his life by preventing the cytokine storm that ensued as a result of the lack of medical intervention, I have asked, how much of what I have understood medically/biologically do I have to discard to track with the accepted wisdom of our time? We didn’t fear the virus before, during or after. We have lived normal lives since my husband’s miraculous recovery and along with our adult children and grands have enjoyed life maskless with one another never missing a holiday or occasion since. No vaccine for us. My husband, hypoxic because of undiagnosed nor treated sleep apnea almost died of his body’s overreaction to the spike protein. Not looking forward to the natural spike proteins he will encounter in the next virus, but trusting proper oxygen and fluids will help carry the day.
Here is another “I told you so”
Andy Ngo @ Hillsdale.
You will notice that the series of male-to-female examples of proven Antifa members – ignored by the media – who he profiles, make the now infamous crazy 56% of the class of “Young White Liberal Females”, look almost normal.
Madness, literal madness, is abroad in the land.
https://youtu.be/yziRK7j0Zpw?t=727
“Yes, the ‘COVID is unlike any respiratory illness ever’ line has popped up so many times in the 16 months. They never really say why that would be but hey who cares”
It is a vascular, not a pulmonary/respiratory, illness.
Read the Salk Institute study.
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
@Fubar N Wass:
Good thing we can all go out and sue the Vaccine Manufacturers and their Enablers/Enforcers who pumped us full of Spike Proteins, ain’t it? 😀
Too early to say, and One Sparrow does not… but we’ve reached point where nothing would surprise me — especially not entire virology priesthood Getting it Wrong.
Ever wondered what it felt like to be a Russian in the 70s or 80s when things were visibly coming apart?
“It is a vascular, not a pulmonary/respiratory, illness.
Read the Salk Institute study.” – Fubar
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
I hesitate to risk being called an Anti-Sinite (that noun has a rather interesting etymology, BTW), but in a post about a story intimately related to another story about the lies coming out of China for over a year, why are we supposed to trust anything that has an author list like this?
“Other authors on the study are Yuyang Lei and Zu-Yi Yuan of Jiaotong University in Xi’an, China; Cara R. Schiavon, Leonardo Andrade, and Gerald S. Shadel of Salk; Ming He, Hui Shen, Yichi Zhang, Yoshitake Cho, Mark Hepokoski, Jason X.-J. Yuan, Atul Malhotra, Jin Zhang of the University of California San Diego; Lili Chen, Qian Yin, Ting Lei, Hongliang Wang and Shengpeng Wang of Xi’an Jiatong University Health Science Center in Xi’an, China.
The research was supported by the National Institutes of Health, the National Natural Science Foundation of China, the Shaanxi Natural Science Fund, the National Key Research and Development Program, the First Affiliated Hospital of Xi’an Jiaotong University; and Xi’an Jiaotong University.”
And Salk being an American institution isn’t enough of a counter-weight.
How many of the scholars in America are CCP agents or plants, which we know exist from recent news reports on the ones who get caught and fined (if American) or sent home?
I can’t see off-hand what China has to gain by letting us believe that the disease is vascular, and maybe it even is, but maybe they do have a motive, or maybe it isn’t — regardless, why would anyone reflexively accept anything coming out of China now without putting it to very severe tests?
Once bit, twice shy.
Change my mind.
@AesopFan:
Who knows? I’d want to hear it from a bunch more experts first. I hesitate to even say the words ‘Peer Review’ these days — it’s been so debased and prostituted.
Given that there’s plenty of spike in the older style deactivated virus Chinese vaccines, why would they lie? But who knows?
I’m more concerned about replication crisis and research being so narrow and siloed that huge problems get missed because focus too narrow.
Anyway ‘Too Early to Say’ as Zhou Enlai once said about the French Revolution.
Fauci is just like CBF and Hillary. Nothing will happen. He’s immune.
Fauci et al. claim that they are following “the science,” and that science evolves.
Actually, its this:
Our “elite” make an unfounded claim that supports their agenda.
Actual facts keep bubbling up despite efforts by our “elite” to suppress them.
As actual facts become more fully inescapable, our “elite” start to slowly modify (i.e., evolve) their claims.
Wait for it….
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/scientist-center-lab-leak-controversy-put-charge-lancets-task-force-investigate-covid
Surprise!
File under: Cover-up, Inc.
+ Bonus: ‘”Biden” in Wonderland’…
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-live-president-biden-explain-why-second-disappointing-jobs-month-means-his-policies
Cornhead wrote, “Fauci is just like CBF and Hillary. Nothing will happen. He’s immune.”
He’s out in 3 to 6 months.
https://www.jmbullion.com/2021-1-oz-armenian-silver-noahs-ark-coin/
Saw a clip from Morning Joe, where Joe asked one of the medical people to explain Gain Of Function to his audience. Proof that the Liberal Media dodged the issue early on now they’re trying really hard to backtrack
Related:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/liberating-yourself-faucism
Key graf:
“Most Faucists have never read Hayek’s “The Use of Knowledge in Society.” They do not know why the idea of allowing one man to determine policy is absurd…”
Quite likely Fauci will be known as the deceiving expert who covered up a prodigious conflict of interest.
But he’s not the only one—he had many partners in deception—and he’s likely not even the worst (cf. the Biden criminal syndicate’s conflict of interest…).
For though Fauci’s decisions led to much death and suffering he had the unquestioned backing of the charlatans and gangsters in the Democratic Party, the corrupt media and uber-corrupt infotech corporations.
So will Fauci be made a scapegoat—in the hope that sacrificing him will protect the others? Or will “allowing” him to survive be the mechanism employed to cover up this whole sordid, criminal tale in the hope of protecting those others?
(To be sure, since lying, deflection and projection are their weapons of choice, that there’s always the possibility that they are preparing a full frontal assault on Trump…)
…and to protect as well the Sacred Narrative…?
It must be cumulatively more and more difficult for all but the most determined mush heads to believe the obviously bogus.
This would have, it seems to me, two results. Some get a clue. Okay, forget that. The other is that they seem so freaking nutty that they cease to convince anybody of anything. In fact, nobody will talk to them about anything but the weather.
Round two beginning?
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/china-reports-first-bird-flu-case-human-says-transmission-risk-low
Am I the only one who thinks that, whatever theory one might be inclined to believe about how the virus got started, the very concept of “Gain of Function” research seems to be at best incredibly creepy and dangerous, and at worst criminally insane?
I can understand why our “public health” and “science” establishment might have wanted to keep a lid on it.
Not so much our crusading truth-seekers in the media.
@Boatbuilder:
Re: Gain of Function.
Welcome to the world of Perverse Incentives. It’s hard to comprehend the narrow silo-ed worlds most of these people inhabit. All they’re interested in is papers published, promotion to run their own labs like mini kingdoms, being conference stars, etc. A few more psychopathic types see the bigger picture and maximise their utility functions by being the conduits between business, politics, military. But for the average Smart Stupid (about everything else — they don’t have the time and the PhD/Postdoc grind winnows out most of the true Polymath Geniuses), moral considerations simply don’t come into it. There’s more than one way to be a Mengele.
Sure there are Machiavellian strategists who come up with ideas.. but I suspect that in many cases they come along *after* basic researchers have invented something nasty and do the more lateral thinking. The Fu Manchu / Nazi Scientist archetypes are a bit of an oversimplification and don’t fully explain why research like this is seemingly ‘unstoppable’.
It is Stoppable… but not in the societies we live in right now. There’s a certain Ted K in a Fed Pen with some ideas on that.