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  1. So, was going to go to Trader Joe’s today here in WA and since they made a big deal about no longer requiring masks I was curious because they have been the kings of mask hysteria this whole time. Drive up and see this huge line stretching around the building all wearing masks outside and I saw a couple people holding their vaccine card in their hands.

    So these vaccinated idiots are masked up outside waiting in a line to, what, take their masks off and go inside.

    Got back into the car and left.

    And I have been vaccinated and had the stupid thing months ago.

  2. Oregon and Washington have quietly been the two of the more oppressive states in comparison to any logical evidence of the needs for these measures.

    Being up here in SE Alaska we sometimes fly under the radar.

  3. Sounds about right, Griffin (I’m in W. Washington too). Masks have become both a totem and a tangible, visible proof of virtue for lefties. Even if/when all the mandates are eliminated, expect to still see them regularly in any left leaning area.

  4. Went down to the Columbia River yesterday afternoon at the park downtown. Not a mask to be found, hundreds of people young, old, black, white, and brown. And yet our pastor claims it is Christian humility to submit to the whims of King Jay. I ask when does a Christian resist oppression from the state? I’m done wearing the mask in the pews or in the aisles of the retail establishments.

  5. om,

    Yep, I’m done too. Went to several places this weekend maskless and nobody said anything. I was the only one I saw at one place but there are others.

    Trader Joe’s was the ultimate test case because they have been insane. They were the only place I’ve been the last 15 months that actually approached me to tell me my mask was too loose.

    I wish I would have been at a TJ’s when the CDC made that mask announcement. It must have been priceless. I’m picturing quizzical looks and tears.

  6. Here in Michigan the stores are going with the “honor system” where if you have been vaccinated you don’t have to wear a mask and they trust us. My only wonder is just when Gov. Whitmer will decide that we’re “cheating” and go to the “your papers please” system she obviously wants.

  7. Yes, I’m lifting this point from another source . . .

    but . . .

    did “they” ever require proof of freedom from AIDS when AIDS was running rampant and had an extremely high fatality rate in certain communities?

    Most readers here at neo’s place can easily speculate with a high degree of certainty exactly *why* the answer is a resounding NO.

  8. And yet our pastor claims it is Christian humility to submit to the whims of King Jay.

    Nowadays, you’re pleasantly surprised to discover your pastor isn’t a tool.

  9. OMG! I live in Clark County WA (outside Vancouver) and went to a JoAnn Fabric yesterday. A sign on the door said masks were optional for fully vaccinated individuals, so as one of those, I took off my mask before going in.

    Not A SINGLE other person was unmasked in the whole dang place. I have to admit I felt conspicuous, but so the heck what? Someone has to start.

    Griffin, I was actually thrilled to read about Trader Joes, but 1) what you said disturbs me, and 2) there are STILL lines outside them???

    I haven’t been to the lone Trader’s in Vancouver for over a year because I had heard about the lines…guess I may continue to stay away for a while.

    What is wrong with these people?

  10. Fear of the OMB (Orange Man Bad) virus. The mask is the Dunce Cap 2021 or to be unmasked is the mark of the beast.

  11. gwynmir,

    I usually go to Trader Joe’s once a month or so and they haven’t had the lines for a few months now in the UPlace store but it was back today and they had a guy sitting at a desk by the door presumably checking your vax card but these people are so crazy I imagine they still won’t lose the mask.

    I’m usually a low profile person but I got a little thrill out of being the only maskless person I saw in a huge Fred Meyer. Insanity.

  12. Art Deco:

    When I worked in an ER back in the 80’s and 90’s we weren’t even allowed to ask their AID’s status unless they brought it up.

  13. Wait, all those people holding vaccine cards were wearing masks in line outside? They call y’all the Left Coast for good reasons.

  14. What’s by now unsurprising is how over the last 14 months every aspect of this has at the hands of liberals decayed into status games. Trump mentions HQL in a press conference, ergo it’s quackery. Masks, whose salutary effects are weak enough that they’re challenging to measure, are now an excuse for the liberal karenwaffe to make themselves obnoxious.

  15. Kate,

    Yep, outside, masked and holding vax cards and most didn’t appear to be over 50 or maybe 60. It’s amazing.

  16. Thanks, Griffin. I thought T Joe’s was one of the places that said they were on the honor system???

    I’m just glad I no longer live in CA or OR…not that WA is much better!

  17. When I worked in an ER back in the 80’s and 90’s we weren’t even allowed to ask their AID’s status unless they brought it up.

    I was employed as a hospital apparatchik at the time, and, yes, there were a set of rubrics which applied to disclosure of HIV status which did not apply to any other sort of information in the medical file. IIRC, any in-house professional with a franchise to order the patient’s hospital record could read the file, but the conveyance of information to outside parties required a more elaborate procedure than was usually followed and a certain amount of tap dancing over the phone to avoid disclosing HIV status, positive or negative. I don’t recall the regulations applied to interviews with patients, however. Generally, the treating professionals were given leeway that the hospital’s support staff were not.

    (Information on psychiatric histories was kept in a separate archive. The only thing you’d see in a general medical record would be the discharge summary of an inpatient admission).

  18. om, I interviewed Pastor Artur Pawlowski a couple times about Christian pastors and an oppressive state. A Christian pastor who does not follow scripture first about worship and fellowship is probably flying a rainbow flag also.
    My former pastor here in Michigan is a good guy, no rainbow flag.
    But he didn’t get it. Mu new pastor does.

  19. Yesterday in se Pa two trips to the grocery store and for the first time in more than a year there was a mask revolt and 1/2 of the customers and many employees were mask less. Sign on door says “Even if vaccinated your required to wear a mask”

  20. Doesn’t this “law” contradict the HIPPA act? Seems ripe for a court challenge.

  21. Mask-wearing is a rite of oppression, but the majority of people have become so used to submission that the uselessness of masks as personal protection against a virus-laden mini-microdroplet does not occur to them, not even when they are so told by genuine medical people, non-Faucis, who know the size difference between bacteria and viruses.

    The bishop of my parish just ruled that readers, sacristans and priests at altar must be masked, but congregations may now be unmasked. Does the implication that congregants are thus deemed disposable somehow escape him? And about 50% still wear masks. Fear is an enemy of freedom, even in houses of Christian worship where “The Truth shall set you free”.

    Did Americans mask up against polio in the pre-Salk era? No! Against the bad Asian viruses of the Obama years? No.

  22. gwynmir,

    It’s possible that is the company wide policy at Trader Joe’s but they leave it up to individual stores for what they do.

    They also may have had pushback from hysterical customers here in Crazy Land so the response is this.

  23. physicsguy,

    I heard Robert Barnes argue that where this really contradicts is with the ADA more than HIPPA. I think the reasoning there is that since some people really can’t get the vaccine because of some health issue that these laws are truly discriminating against them.

    They talked about on the Sunday Viva Barnes livestream.

  24. GeoffB – she won’t do it now. I suspect she’s getting killed in her internal polls. When the CDC changed its guidelines, she couldn’t wait to make the announcement that Michigan was going to follow suit. I think it’s mostly over with now.

  25. “No, the issue isn’t science: it’s liberty, and officials who are loathe to give up the heady power they’ve assumed during the pandemic. It also seems to be about some need of the left to stifle the operation of business in general.” neo

    Yes to the first two points. The ‘side effect’ of stifling (killing) small business is entirely intentional. All part of the Great Reset. Big Business never had it so good.

  26. Did Americans mask up against polio in the pre-Salk era?

    I think polio is water borne.

  27. Polio is indeed usually water borne, but when in the twentieth century did that become known? Certainly not in the epidemic of 1916! There was lots of social distancing during the polio season (summer) when I was young. Isolation, like today, was a pretty common preventive then. The main reason for not going swimming was mixing with other kids, as I recall, since pools were chlorinated.

  28. I have first hand experience that Trader Joe’s in my county in Missouri is maskless and very chill.

    For months, when my wife and I had driven by Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods and seen the lines waiting quietly for entry, rain, cold, or shine, perched on the space marks taped to the ground more avowedly than any actor hitting her mark in a stage play; we’d comment that Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods would be the last outputs to abandon the pose.

    I am happy to report we were wrong*! The day after the CDC announcement there was something my wife needed from Trader Joe’s, and although several stores in our area had lifted the mandate we were sure Trader Joe’s would be as militant as ever. We walked up with our hands holding our masks at our hips, prepared to quickly slap them on, but there was no sign on the door. She put hers on anyway, since we were both sure all inside would be masked regardless (I didn’t care, regardless, and kept mine off). We were stunned! Not only were about 80% of customers maskless, even those in masks seemed relaxed. People were going both ways in all the aisles, shopping closely to one another…. We’ve had to go back twice more in the past week and it’s always been the same. Everyone is cordial, even staffers who are still masked, and I haven’t detected one masked person who appears concerned most are unmasked. I was definitely wrong about our local, Trader Joe’s.

    *At least regarding Trader Joe’s. I have not been to Whole Foods yet. I don’t know if I’ve ever bought anything at a Whole Foods! I only go there to return things to Amazon (which I always buy using the link on neo’s website!).

  29. Regarding Michigan, I was in the Amish part of the state back in September. Going into Amish stores the staff that took money and directly waited on people wore masks (but often loosely), but almost no one else was, including most customers. At outdoor stands no one wore masks. I think the Amish were going along with “the English” Whitmer’s rules as minimally as they thought possible to not lose their ability to transact business.

  30. Rufus,

    Sounds like they are leaving it up to individual stores and since western WA is mask cult central they are playing to their customer base. I refuse to stand in the lines and I would rather wear the stupid mask than show my papers to shop at a grocery store.

  31. Cicero,

    My folks have told me it was very common for the public pools to be shut down whenever there was a polio case in the area. It seems like my folks had the impression in the late ’40s that public swimming areas were more risky than “dry” areas. Didn’t FDR contract polio in water?

  32. Rufus, Cicero,

    Isn’t there some doubt about whether FDR actually had polio?

    Something about his age when afflicted I think being very rare.

  33. Griffin,

    That was my first time in Trader Joe’s since lockdown started, over a year ago.

    The first time I saw the lines (April 2020?) I said, “nope” and haven’t even considered going in until last weekend.

  34. Doctor Senator Paul (one of my new heroes) has something to say on the HIPAA thing. And yes, the hypocrisy over HIV/AIDS is staggering, Fauci is implicated in it, and the systemic denial of the facts of transmission killed a lot of people.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2021/05/23/sen-rand-paul-takes-heat-for-refusing-to-get-vaccine-after-already-being-infected-with-virus-n2589890

    You know, I think medical decisions in a free society, each individual assumes their own risk, and the thing is, if someone chooses not to be vaccinated, and you are vaccinated, they’re not a risk to you, they’re taking a risk for themselves. So I think really medical decisions should be private.

    In fact we used to all believe that. There’s a law called HIPAA that really says we’re really not supposed to pry into the affairs, the medical affairs, of our employees, so I think really in the end we need to have a little bit more of a relaxed atmosphere here, because I think people, particularly on the left, they’re saying ‘oh, I could never go to a restaurant if someone next to me wasn’t vaccinated.’ It’s like well it shouldn’t matter to you at all.

    If you’ve been vaccinated you’re protected and that’s their business if they have a religious or philosophic reason, maybe they just think the pandemic’s over and don’t want to get vaccinated, or maybe they’re like me. I already had it, I mean, should they force people to get vaccinated who had COVID and survived? They would first have to prove that the vaccine is better than being infected. I’m not saying that it’s wise to get infected on purpose, but a lot of us got infected whether we wanted to or not, about 100 million of us got infected. And I think that we should have a choice whether we get a vaccine or not because frankly all the studies show that I have just as good of immunity as the people who’ve been vaccinated.

    “Some spell it HIPAA, and some spell it HIPPA,…HIPAA – HIPPA – HIPAA – HIPPA –
    Let’s call the whole thing off!”

    Or at least consult the internet.
    https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/security/laws-regulations/index.html
    “The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) required the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to develop regulations protecting the privacy and security of certain health information. 1 To fulfill this requirement, HHS published what are commonly known as the HIPAA Privacy Rule
    and the HIPAA Security Rule.”

    And for the really curious, that site includes details, which may explain to the legal-minded among us whether or not Oregon and its ilk can do this — not that the illegality of their actions has stopped them before.

    “This is a summary of key elements of the Security Rule including who is covered, what information is protected, and what safeguards must be in place to ensure appropriate protection of electronic protected health information. Because it is an overview of the Security Rule, it does not address every detail of each provision.”

  35. Side-bar for reference purposes:

    https://pjmedia.com/columns/stacey-lennox/2021/05/17/the-covid-19-test-no-one-is-talking-about-that-children-should-have-before-they-are-vaccinated-n1447392

    We are already seeing colleges and universities requiring the COVID-19 vaccine for students to attend classes in the fall. The vaccine is being tested for children under 16, and there may be school districts that attempt to require it in the fall. All of this pressure to vaccinate the young, given their relative resilience to severe disease and near-zero fatality rate from COVID-19, is unprecedented. The health bureaucracy is not nearly as insistent about the flu vaccine, even though it [flu] often makes children much sicker and often carries higher fatality rates in children.

    To encourage you to vaccinate your children, the experts from the CDC and NIH were on television this weekend recommending that children remain masked until vaccines are approved for their age cohort and they receive them. This advice is just bizarre given what the science says about children passing the virus to adults. …The health experts also know that immunity in exposed and recovered patients is robust. There was also preexisting immunity in some portion of the population based on exposure to other coronaviruses. Yet, the CDC and NIH have not clearly conveyed this to Americans.

    Senator Ron Johnson went on Tucker Carlson Tonight and shared that his doctor recommended he not receive the vaccine at this point because he has successfully recovered from the virus. This medical advice is entirely reasonable based on the current science and is the purpose of the doctor-patient relationship
    ….
    On CNN, Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra appeared to agree with a host when asked if there should be laws keeping unvaccinated people out of buildings. According to the CDC data on COVID-19 effectiveness, this rhetoric is next-level insanity.

    According to CDC data, through May 10, 2021, the rate of hospitalization after being vaccinated was 0.000690%. The chances of COVID-19 being fatal was 0.000157%, or, effectively, one in a million. A person’s lifetime risk of dying in a car accident, crossing the street, or falling from a height is all well under one in 1,000. So, why are we being told to mask children and behaving as if unvaccinated people without symptoms pose an outsized risk to the vaccinated?

    All of this becomes even more astounding when you learn that the FDA has given a EUA to a test that identifies preexisting T-cell immunity. This test goes beyond simply testing for antibodies from a recent infection. Instead, it tests for T cells, which are like sentinels. When they detect cells infected with a virus they recognize, they kill them and trigger antibody production. Destroying infected cells stops virus replication inside them and calls in the other immune cells to find and inactivate any viruses circulating in the bloodstream.

    According to the developer’s website, T-Detect identified 97% of past PCR-confirmed COVID-19 infections, while antibody tests only picked up 77% approximately two months after the illness. The chief scientific officer for adaptive technologies, Harlan Robbins, also noted:

    Where is the head of the FDA encouraging people to get tested for this immunity before getting vaccinated? Why are the government and insurance companies covering the vaccine and the COVID-19 test but not the test for durable immunity to the virus?

    Once it was discovered that there was the possibility of preexisting immunity, just as they found with H1N1, this type of test should have been a public health priority to assess the real vulnerability in the population. It wasn’t, and a legitimate question is why. It would have provided much richer and more accurate data about the actual risk to the population for severe disease and refined any mitigation steps. Knowing this information could have reduced the damage to the economy, our children’s education, and the effects of isolation that we will be dealing with for years to come.

    Before vaccinating children or young adults, parents should strongly consider testing them for a T-cell reaction first. This population rarely suffered a severe illness, but it’s possible they were exposed and had an immune response. Parents should also demand that schools and colleges accept evidence of an immune response in place of proof of vaccination.

    I have no quarrel with proof of vaccination in schools, medical professions, and some food-service jobs — we already check that people have had various immunizations in those cases. It’s the drive to make random shoppers produce their papers that is concerning.

    I will stamp a yellow Star of David on mine if Colorado goes down the River of Denial with the Left Coast.

  36. Half whitmer can’t even follows the rules, Why should anyone else?

  37. H/T geoff b on an old Open Thread: “The armed robber’s choice, “Yer money or yer life.” Mean Tweets in the new era of Biden.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/450005/

    MAY 14, 2021
    TUCKER CARLSON TORCHES BIDEN’S MASK ‘ULTIMATUM.’

    TWEET: “The rule is now simple: get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do. The choice is your.”

    “‘Well, it’s not a request, it’s a demand, and the president of the United States does not get to tell me or any other American citizen what to wear.,’ Carlson said. ‘He’s not offering a choice. He’s laying down an ultimatum. He’s saying if you don’t get vaccinated, you must wear a mask. Again, that’s not within his powers to demand.’”

    Commenters addressed one of the points raised here at the water cooler:*

    DonM
    I am so old, I remember when people’s medical records were private, and you couldn’t discriminate at work based on them, because it was obviously unfair to people infected with HIV.

    midnightyell
    … the lawfare was getting to the point where knowingly infecting someone with HIV was no longer a criminal act.

    The times, they are a-changin’ ….

    *I and some others have been referring to these threads as Neo’s Salon, but that has unfortunate referential connotations to the left-wing media site.

    Wikipedia describes us exactly: “A salon is a gathering of people held by an inspiring host. During the gathering they amuse one another and increase their knowledge through conversation.”

    Any synonymous suggestions?
    Treehouse is already taken.

  38. Speaking of Salon, I dropped over to see what was on their home page, and picked up some good news.

    You can tell they are still left-wing because of the insertion of the obligatory gaslighting study, which they always seem to be able to find when one is wanted.
    No mention of all the studies that DO find considerable anti-conservative bias and actions in the venues of interest.
    Plus a clever, and more subtle, spin.

    https://www.salon.com/2021/05/24/ron-desantis-big-tech-censorship-law-is-meant-to-create-a-safe-space-for-conservative-online/

    One of the bill’s provisions allows the Florida Election Commission to apply fines to companies that permanently ban politicians running for state office positions. It also grants users the right to sue companies they feel instituted bans unfairly.

    “We’re the first state to hold these Big Tech companies to this standard of transparency and accountability,” Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said during the law’s signing at the Florida International University in Miami. “Their power up to this point has effectively been unchecked.”
    “This will lead to more speech, not less speech,” he added. “Because speech that’s inconvenient to the narrative will be protected.”

    The aforementioned fines will range from $25,000 per day for non-statewide candidates and $250,000 per day for statewide candidates.

    The bill also mandates that companies provide clear reasoning for their bans and makes it illegal to ban political candidates for over fourteen days.

    The law is part of a broader Republican-led push to crack down on Big Tech for what conservative allege is an anti-conservative bias.

    In February, a New York University study found that claims of anti-conservative bias in themselves amount to a form of disinformation. “No trustworthy large-scale studies have determined that conservative content is being removed for ideological reasons or that searches are being manipulated to favor liberal interests,” the report stated.

    Nevertheless, DeSantis has framed the bill as something of a harbinger to a brave new world for conservative voices. “This session, we took action to ensure that ‘We the People’ — real Floridians across the Sunshine State — are guaranteed protection against the Silicon Valley elites,” DeSantis declared.

    “Trustworthy” = “agrees with our position” just like the FactCheckers.

  39. AesopFan,

    I like “Neo’s Salon.” I knew what you meant immediately and did not even think of the Salon e-zine until you brought it up. Associating it with the Algonquin Roundtable seems apropos, but Neo’s Roundtable does not register to my ear.

    Regardless, I believe we, her loyal fans, should refer to ourselves as “Neophytes.” “Neophones?” “Neophans?”
    And the trolls (who shall remain nameless) are, “Neo’s nabobs of negativity.”

  40. What about the recovered? We seem to be tossed aside into the kook pile. I had a blood test a couple weeks ago that showed antibodies from my January 2021 symptomatic infection. Then there’s T cell stuff.

    What other diseases have we experienced where the recovered are expected to be vaccinated?

  41. I have come to detest the word guidance in these public health diktats almost as much as the word mandate; too many of the Karens and Chads out there interpret “guidance” to mean “absolute requirement.” As Neo said, “the issue isn’t science: it’s liberty, and officials who are loathe to give up the heady power they’ve assumed during the pandemic.”

  42. @Rufus:

    Nabobs is verging upon Cultural Appropriation.

    Trolls are more culturally-appropriate baggage from the ancestral forests and arrived with the Woden-born… first written about in (trigger warning) Runes, no doubt.

    Let’s Roll with Troll.

    But if anyone’s up for a game of Alliterative Allusions alchemically alkalize atavistic aliens’ allegorising alloplastic adaptations, I’m fine with that.

  43. I Callahan,

    I hope you are right and also hope that it won’t help her and that she and her pit bull AG are soon gone.

  44. tcrosse: “Malheur County is aptly named. It means misfortune in French.”

    I have had the pleasure of spending a couple of months in Malheur County doing geologic field work. Back in the 1950s. In fact we stayed in Ontario for a week or so. Nice people. Big, lonely county. Ranches have to be large to support their cattle – the grass is spare. The ranchers are friendly. Stopped by a couple of ranch houses to ask about roads and trails. Man, they talked our legs off. They hadn’t seen a stranger in a spell, and it showed.

    Ontario is on the west side of the Snake River where it forms the boundary between Idaho and Oregon. Like eastern WA, most of the people are conservative and hate the western part of the state, which controls the government. If the progs want to make D.C. a state, we ought to ask them to make a state of eastern Oregon. It’d be another state with a lot of cattle and wildlife, without many people – kind of like Wyoming. It’d be a sure conservative counterweight to D.C.

    I sympathize with them and having to live under the edicts from Salem.

  45. Rufus – we’ve been using Neo’s Salon for some time now, and I only remembered about the e-zine today, although I’ve read their work in the past, just to see what reasonably literate and somewhat sane leftists are saying.
    Kind of dropped them over the last 4 years…..

  46. Previously I lived in Wisconsin. Long enough to become a Packers fan. The small city I lived in issued residences blue recycling bins. The address was issued the bin, not the occupants. The occupants were required by law to put the bin out with recycling items, weekly. Go 3 weeks without and expect a citation. Now I live in Texas. None of that nonsense. People who grew up in Oregon get our sympathy for how things have gone off the rails. I grew up in Colorado, graduated from CSU. I lived there for a few years between Wisconsin and Texas, as metro Denver is where my parents are. Wealthy liberals targeted the state and now the Denver/Boulder Democrats/socialist/Marxist run the place. For example, re-introducing wolves is just plain stupid. I moved to Texas before that.
    I recall from Black History months that either Oregon or Washington or both had state laws prohibiting Blacks from living there. Such stupidity. I’ll bet, as mentioned before, vaccine identity cards okay, voting identity cards, bad.

  47. Cicero…
    One of the reasons for our public school calendar, of June, July, and August being without school, is polio. Parents wanted children out of hot crowded schools during polio season. Many farmers are extremely busy with spring planting and fall harvesting. June, July, and August were for walking the bean fields to keep the volunteer corn under control. Livestock requires work all the time, but crops need sunshine and rain.

  48. And here’s where my memory might be failing me but I don’t think so: To protect against a stigma that applied whether or not someone had AIDS, the gay lobby successfully mounted a campaign to make a person’s health status completely private. That health campaign was eventually federalized in 1996 as the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (aka HIPAA).

    HIPAA completely muzzles health care providers from sharing any health information about a patient without the patient’s explicit permission. The point is to ensure that, if someone has AIDS or any other contagious disease, that information is strictly between the patient and his healthcare providers. Employers don’t get to know. Family members, insurance companies other than the one currently covering the patient, airlines, sports stadiums, etc. — as to all of them, the information is in a lockbox and they don’t have the key.

    While HIPAA applies only to health care providers because it was developed for a disease as to which there was (and still is) no vaccine, the principle behind it should apply globally. The way I see it, demanding proof of someone’s vaccine status should fall into the same “It’s none of your damn business” category as AIDS information or any other medical information. My body, my privacy — and you should not be able to discriminate against me because I opt for privacy.

    If you are worried about COVID, get a vaccine, put on a mask, wash your hands, take your vitamins, and get out into the sun to boost your Vitamin D. You might also want to yourself that, if you’re under 60 and have no co-morbidities, you are as likely to die from COVID as you are to suffer from other unexpected life-snuffing-out experiences such as getting hit by a bus or lightning, dying from the flu, getting poisoned by bad canned food from China, getting shot by a criminal in a “gun-free” Democrat city, etc.

    https://www.bookwormroom.com/2021/05/09/battles-over-aids-privacy-should-block-vaccine-passports/

  49. The bishop of my parish just ruled that readers, sacristans and priests at altar must be masked, but congregations may now be unmasked.

    Bishops are forever reminding us that they’re dimwitted NGO executives full stop, standard-issue except for the funny costumes (and, now and again, the catamites). Ditto everyone employed in the chancery. We live in a decadent age.

  50. The real scary part of all this is the willingness of so many people to be led over the cliff like lemmings.
    They do not question, they do not dare think outside the box, they just follow orders as if they were 5 year old children.
    And if one dares to violate the status quo, the lemming-like children will certainly let you know you are not following “accepted” behavior.
    This sort of behavior is directly out of Stalinist Russia.

    There are enough of these sorts of folks – here in the USA – who would willingly if ordered, round-up, incarcerate and exterminate those who they were ordered to arrest.
    No wonder gun sales have been setting sales records.
    And the buyers are not the child-like lemmings.

  51. They do not question, they do not dare think outside the box, they just follow orders as if they were 5 year old children.

    I think a lot of 5 year olds are pretty contumacious, actively and passively. That aside, we’re talking about wearing a paper mask indoors in a commercial establishment you don’t own. Most people are disinclined to be contentious over petty inconveniences and the common life is better for that. The masks at the grocery store do not bother me much. What bothers me is that the local pet store in the same mall was compelled to close and the post office in that same mall has never figured out a way to staff their service desks properly (a problem exacerbated by sanitary theatre).

  52. Art + Deco;

    “Most people are disinclined to be contentious over petty inconveniences and the common life is better for that.”

    The petty inconvenience is not the issue; the issue is how and which agency (govt ? political party? neighborhood watch group? a religious group?) DEFINES the reason for the petty inconvenience and can the reasons provided for specifying a course of action be expanded way beyond that initially provided.
    That is, expanded to the point that individual rights are abrogated?

    A compliant populace can easily be manipulated to do anything they are ordered to do. Like a frog slowly boiled to death, each little increase in temperature is not noticed until it’s too late.

    It’s sort of like provisions against hate speech. Once you allow somebody else to define hate speech, you are opening the gates to allow others to “expand” the definition of hate speech, until there is no freedom of speech.

    As for the corona virus, the inconsistent policies call into question every aspect of mandated policies. Home Depot, grocery stores – fine; illegal alien carriers of the virus – OK; restaurants – nope; ANTIFA/BLM demonstrations – OK.
    Retail establishments – nope; restaurants – NO.
    And for the first time ever those vaccinated are “encouraged” (until recently?) to still wear masks.
    Really?

    Don’t know about anyone else, but when I received my childhood vaccines for polio, diphtheria, whooping cough, etc., no one suggested that I wear a mask for several months “just in case.”

    There is simply no doubt that this entire corona virus debacle was motivated in large part by political considerations that had absolutely nothing to do with medical issues.
    As to why this occurred this time (as opposed to previous pandemics), I have no idea.

  53. }}} Most people are disinclined to be contentious over petty inconveniences and the common life is better for that

    Actually, i agree with John, no, this is not so. Common lifebis NOT better.

    It leads to a compliant behavior.

    Americans are an argumentative lot of absolute bastards, and we’ve been losing that for decades.

    And that’s NOT a Good Thing:

    There is no week nor day nor hour when tyranny may not enter upon this country, if the people lose their roughness and spirit of defiance.

    Walt Whitman

  54. Americans are an argumentative lot of absolute bastards, and we’ve been losing that for decades.

    Sounds real pleasant.

  55. A compliant populace can easily be manipulated to do anything they are ordered to do.

    No, they cannot, but it’s agreeable to your self-image to fancy they can.

  56. Art+Deco:
    I do not understand your response. Please expand.
    Compliant to me means taking and following orders readily. There is no implication that disagreeable orders to a compliant people will be naturally resisted.
    Dictionary says compliant is “obeying, obliging, or yielding, especially in a submissive way”. Submissive.

  57. “Americans are an argumentative lot of absolute bastards”
    In my childhood, it was noticeable that Americans (exposed to non-stop TV ads) were resistant to bullsh*t claims. Maybe people have been worn down over the years and just don’t fight back (mentally) any more?

    I still recall a satiric hippie comic The Fabulous Furry Freak Bros in which they mock others for believing Capitalist Lies but get stoned and then are completely taken in by an ad for Tree Frog Beer. It guarantees that consumption of the beer will make you attractive to the opposite sex.

  58. I am no longer in Oregon, but close to it, and I have my Covid Shot record in my shirt pocket so that I can extract it, put it into my left hand and hold it out, raise my right arm up at 45 degrees, und zay “Hier ist mein papier, Herr/Frau Oberst!”
    Note: You could do this too…

    I am awaiting my first opportunity…

  59. The following Eric Clapton/Van Morrison anti lockdown/anti forced vacs videos (will try to link to them assuming they haven’t yet been jack-booted off youtube) are likely ancient history to everyone but me, and may well have made previous appearances on Neo’s blog.

    But why not a second go?

    Stand and Deliver (Eric Clapton singing, Van Morrison songwriter):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMkV4vYr_ik

    Where Have All the Rebels Gone (Van Morrison singer and composer, both):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfWl3ijpmrQ

    And an article (at dreaded LIFESITE) about Clapton wondering if he was the only one seeing what he knew he was seeing, and eventually getting his dander up:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/rock-great-eric-clapton-covid-vaccine-was-disastrous-for-me-i-feared-i-would-never-play-again

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