The banning of Trump from social media was a watershed moment
Joe Concha is correct here [my emphasis]:
This is a “silence of the lambs” moment for media, an industry that should be universally up in arms over the censoring of public figures or other news outlets like the New York Post, the nation’s oldest daily newspaper — before they are all led off, one by one or in groups, to be silenced and effectively slaughtered. But that’s not the case, with some journalists and lawmakers actually cheering this non-fictional version of “1984.”
Love the 45th president, or hate the 45th president, it doesn’t matter. What does matter – and what is profoundly wrong, profoundly un-American – is the number of us who are willing to sit back silently and not condemn the increasing tendency of many individuals and entities, both public and private, to engage in a Soviet-style squashing of those with whom they disagree. It makes this a most chilling time in our nation’s history.
This is why the banning of Trump was a Rubicon-crossing moment. It sharply underlined what was already apparent about the willingness of the left to jettison principles it supposedly held, and the fact that so many people (including “journalists” as well as ordinary Americans) would think it was just fine and dandy.
However, there was an earlier watershed moment, as well – although actually there have been a lot of them. I’m speaking, however, of the quashing of the Hunter Biden laptop story. The speed with which the suppression occurred, and the near-universality of it, was tremendously impressive in terms of driving home the width and breadth of leftist influence.
But where is a Republican leader who is really pushing back on this?
I know John Hinderaker of Power Line and the Center for the American Experiment has crafted state legislation to stop this stuff. In my own tiny way, I pushed this legislation before a NE state senator.
The states have to take charge on this.
Neo is correct. This censorship it unAmerican.
Dorsey = Faux Buddhist. Zuckerberg = Faux Human.
Cook = Enabler of the CCP sweatshop and slave labor industry.
If you use Twitter, Facebook, and Apple – don’t complain about these monsters.
Couldn’t agree more with Joe Concha, Neo and Cornhead. This is a watershed moment, and I would like for there to be a way to put Twitter and Facebook out of business instantly in response to what they have done.
Of course we don’t do that in America, so what is the alternative? Encouraging people to give up their Twitter and Facebook account is a start, but the only people who would follow through with this are the people Twitter and Facebook don’t care about, so that shoe doesn’t pinch enough.
I don’t know what the alternative is, or how many people would jump on the bandwagon, but it has to be painful enough that the Titans of Silicon Valley sit up and take notice.
Suggestions?
However, there was an earlier watershed moment, as well – although actually there have been a lot of them. I’m speaking, however, of the quashing of the Hunter Biden laptop story.The speed with which the suppression occurred, and the near-universality of it, was tremendously impressive in terms of driving home the width and breadth of leftist influence.
Excellent point.
I don’t discuss politics with my NYC “progressive” cousins, but our flyover cousin does. Before the election, my flyover cousin asked one of our NYC cousins what she knew about Hunter Biden and his laptop. Not a thing, which indicates that the MSM did a thorough job of squashing news about Hunter and his laptop.
There’s a well-known phrase from Iowahawk- something about the media covering news- with a blanket -and suffocating it.
LcClerc
If you use Twitter, Facebook, and Apple – don’t complain about these monsters.
I don’t use any of them, but it appears that my complaint does nothing.
I’d put the watershed moment back to 2016 when Obama released his mange-ridden FBI dogs on the Trump campaign and a complicit media ran with the story for years. To this day, no mea culpa, nor so much as a correction on page 8 of the Lifestyle section.
When the media realized it could give itself Pulitzers for the fakest of fake news – for the long con – censorship, be it public or private, was inevitable. Getting away with a soft coup is quite the empowering experience, apparently.
Lots of folks on the right and I call “right” all those that are not lefto-pukes in any way, shape or form, have a really tough time understanding the make up of a leftoxenomorph and many are not even trying.
Granted, a leftoxenomorph is a nasty of such vile and evil nature that it is difficult to conceive from the standpoint of decency.
A decent person’s nature is such that he will attribute to all other humans and humanoids having, at least, a modicum of decency inside.
A decent person will not conceive of total evil.
But as a matter of self defense and to satisfy the necessary moral positional awareness required for survival, all on the right should try.
You can have a normal human and a humanoid leftoxenomorph standing a few feet apart and they both look kind of the same.
But one has a rational worldview about reality, humanity, the late CR America and Western civilization and the other is a sub-human maggot that hates with raw, rabid hatred all decency, goodness, humanity (we are a virus on this planet), the late CR America (he’s happy as a lark with its death) and lives to see Western civilization abolished and longs to live in an ant-hill with a one-hive-mind.
It is pretty much like standing next to a jihadi bomber hiding an explosive vest and waiting for its moment.
Consider a decent person’s normal attitude towards children. And then consider the leftoxenomorph notion of “Drag Queen Story Hour”
The concept is so evil, so preposterous, so abnormal and damaging, so negating of the most basic concept of decency that it should have brought about a revulsion that ended it less than 24 hours after it begun. But nothing happened and it went on and expanded.
Parents taking their toddlers to cavort with degenerates so they can become accustomed to degeneracy. Really? Yup! That’s the religion of leftoxenomorphism for you.
Why, how, would a leftoxenomorph willing to do that to children have any kind of problem with banning Trump from social media?
Consider the humongous number of feminazis in the miseducation system systematically mistreating boys because they are misandric c#nts. Giving boys lower grades, by far, for the same work and results than a girl. Punishing boys just for being boys. And nothing happens to them.
Why, how, would a leftoxenomorph willing to do that to children have any kind of problem with banning Trump from social media?
That is why leftoxenomorphs always side automatically with pisslims. They love them. Why? Because they see in pisslims the same rabid hatred for the same things they hate and they fantasize away any negative notions. Leftoxenomorphs live in a world of evil fantasy because they are evil.
Let’s not be surprised Trump was banned from social media.
Ants don’t entertain dissent.
If there was such a thing as dissent in an ant-hill the dissenters would not survive for long.
If there is such a thing as dissent in a leftoxenomorph ant-hill society, utterly collectivized, utterly totalitarian, the dissenter would not survive for long.
This is just the beginning of the leftoxenomorph gleichschaltung.
The worst is yet to come.
Our miseducation system is printing ants. Leftoxenomorph ants. Thousands and thousands of them and we are paying them to do it.
Those ants will govern the future of Venezuerica with everything automated via passport-for-everything cell phones and the Internet-of-things and collectivized this and collectivized that and total surveillance 24/7/365 of absolutely all media and all public and private places, all audio and video captured and stored for further analysis, all wrongthought automatically detected and deleted and the perpetrator canceled and facial recognition enabled systems every few feet, everybody implanted with several chips in permanent comms with private and public entities, everybody a terminal of The Matrix, cashless society, social credit score, all of your data public and scrutinized, tens of “vaccines” shots per year, quasi Soilent Green food, meatless “meat”, maggots for dinner, “1984”, “Harrison Bergeron”, “Brave New World”, “Fahrenheit 451” and “Animal Farm” used as how-to manuals, One World Government, the results of “The Great Reset”, a New World Order, the F#ckerbergs and their high-tech ilk as part of the overlord neo-feudal nomenklatura of World Economic Forum wokeraty, a super networked ant-hill with a one-hive-mind at the service of leftoxenomorphism, the new official religion, everything within leftoxenomorphism, nothing outside leftoxenomorphism, making the chinese communists ashamed of their low class act, feel free to add everything I might have not yet included.
Look, let’s not be surprised Trump was banned from social media. I’m surprised of any media that has not yet banned Trump.
Would you be surprised if a hyena bit you?
That’s what they do!
Reasoned argument, facts, logic and common sense are never sufficient in the face of fanaticism.
Fanaticism is what we face.
Hyperbole?
“Tucker Carlson blasts woke Virginia school board that allows kids to read a highly sexualized book that talks about ‘eating c***ie’ but bans ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ because it’s about ‘white saviorism'”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9579353/Carlson-blasts-school-board-says-Kill-Mockingbird-racist-approves-sexualized-books.html
Children are being exposed by being required to read hard core pornography and the school board is utterly dismissive of parental objections.
This is only the opening round. Have you seen the NKVD commission ?
The dangerous part about all this is that the subpoena power is limited to the imagination of the Democrat appointees. (We assume the likelihood that at least one Republican member of the Committee will go along with anything the Democrats want, thus giving them majority vote for a subpoena.)
We also note that the Commission is given the power to obtain information from “the intelligence community” to further its investigation.
This has been called “The Democrat 2022 Campaign Organization.”
Does anyone expect the 4 GOP “members” to show any backbone ?
@GB:
TKAMB won’t be missed: The @#$@#r generally *did* do it in most cases, and the book is nothing but an anti-White milder version of Jud Süß and should not be in classrooms. Although, I might be convinced that an Equal Time clause permitting Fair and Balanced free-for all racial calumny in Senior High School teaching materials could have some value 😀
Fun and games aside, the degenerates and pornographers indoctrinating children deserve the Soweto Necklace.
Watersheds collect rain and send it to the river, which will flood if there is too much too fast.
I just had a very strange experience.
Edward Feser’s, Don Surber’s, and Baldilocks’ blogs suddenly had a Google Warning screen pre-empting the site load, although I was reading them earlier this month with no problem.
https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com
https://donsurber.blogspot.com
https://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com
“Hah!” I thought, “the Big Purge is now underway”, what with the January 6 Inquisition firmly in place, as Mike K observed.
I checked around a few other sites, but the “big names” were okay (Ace, Powerline, Wretchard), as were some of the less-recognized greats.
Now, this MAY have been somehow related to the existence of DONATE buttons and such, but the unblocked sites also have those.
“Check twice, post once” being my new mantra, I doubled back and looked again, and now had no problem loading those three.
So ???
Check on your favorite right-wing conspiracy theorists, and get back to us.
@AesopFan:
The Google Red Screen is showing up this morning in reports in a bunch of dissident blogs I follow, too.
I can’t imagine Richard Fernandez scoring one. He’s a good guy and very perceptive. He’s also Milquetoast — lot of places he won’t go and ideas he won’t explore. Also if you stop to think about how he magically translated sideways from fighting Marcos in the Slums of Manila to the Kennedy School of Government… well just Think.
The Google Red screen appeared to a few of my regular haunts as well. This is not the first time new *Warning Will Robinson – Content* algorithms have been put out there on a trial basis, seemingly targeting conservative content. This one warns of ‘phishing’ or stealth software downloads, or other such nonsense – none of these sites are remotely like that at all, of course.
It will all end in violence, I fear, because that is the way of those who stoke outrage. Some fascist school board member promoting Drag Queen Sodomy Newcomers Hour will get pelted with hard vegetables or soup cans at a school board meeting, until they are made to run in terror. Only drawn blood and a painful period of reflection as they heal up will convince such persons that they are not, in fact, in charge. Rather, they are in service, and are expected to be responsive to instruction.
The “ mostly peaceful protest” while hundreds of businesses were burned and looted was way up there on any “ watershed” list. It is amazing how many people have no clue, even though the evidence of mass destruction is in plain sight only a few searches away on the internet.
It is fascinating and depressing to compare ‘Down Under’ to the USA regarding their view of liberty, free speech, justice, and education. Math is math here and 2+2=4, free speech, liberty and justice exist. People are allowed to push back and not get crucified. Schools were not closed after our lockdown to flatten the curve. Our lockdown rules (NZ) were strict, but made sense. Life has been fairly normal.
And they get it;
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/sky-news-leader-free-world-cognitively-delinquent/
@JHCorcoran:
And yet your Foreign Affairs Minister is a face-tattooed obese female semi-savage who sucks up to the PRC. Your Prime Minister is a toothy bossy hyper risk-averse Head Girl caricature. And you are not free to say that in 10 times as many words and circumlocutions. So no, you are not Free.
However, you *are* Free Range provided you stay within the Fences.
Don’t mistake being a Free Range HuPerson for being a Free Man. You just haven’t rubbed up against any boundaries of late.
And clean those gumboots! 😛
I don’t mind Alan Jones, but remain amazed that the Woke haven’t been able to make any of the purported Schoolmaster Days stuff stick to him. Probably innocent after all.
Aggie on May 14, 2021 at 10:05 pm
“Only drawn blood and a painful period of reflection as they heal up will convince such persons that they are not, in fact, in charge. Rather, they are in service, and are expected to be responsive to instruction.”
What a marvelous way to phrase that sentiment. Bravo!
I use Duck Duck Go as my browser. I get no warning message to any of the alternative websites.
The solution of banning is simple. Congress pass a law repealing Section 230 for large social media organizations. They are now content providers if they censor non-sexual content. Make sure that the search machines algorithm are “neutral” on political content. Say all earlier interpretations are void. That will be a winning issue for Republicans at the state and national level.
This past week I have been to several activist meetings getting them organized and focused. The level of cold anger is palpable. This isn’t going away. The DC swamp creatures has no idea what they created. They think that they can subsume or scare these people. Ain’t no way. This isn’t the Tea Party.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/05/14/anticipate-alinsky-styled-language-insurrection-deniers-to-be-main-element-of-current-democrat-narrative/
Neo: I think you are right in that the Hunter Biden laptop story was THE watershed moment for this phenomenon — the one that crossed the Rubicon — the one that was different from all those incidents before it.
The media has been biased for a long time and even occasionally refused to cover a seemingly important story, but this is the first time that they so blatantly censored other people telling the story. They not only censored the social media accounts of ordinary people but also the president’s personal lawyer’s and the official White House press secretary’s. They blocked the 4th largest newspaper in the country from sharing its own newspaper article, and in the boldest move of all, they blocked the personal and campaign accounts of the President of the United States.
I’m gobsmacked by the audacity of it. The world changed last fall, and I don’t think even observant conservatives understand the half of it.
We can no longer look down on the Germans who knuckled down to the Nazi takeover or even supported it.
We can no longer claim it “cannot happen here”
It has.
fwiw, I don’t get site warnings as described above.
Like Spartacus, I’ve switched away from enemy products. I use Brave and Duck not Goog, not Apple Safari, not even Microsoft. I wonder if that’s related.
Zaphod@
I hear your points on NZ politics. Tats are Maori and not unusual on all walks of life. Plus, I am comparing NZ to the US. I grew up in Montana and spent a couple of decades in Wyoming. So far they are fairly free States, I worry about the winds of change affecting them.
As far as Arden, I know a number of people who do not like her. She will not be around for ever. To her credit, unlike the current resident of the WH, she isn’t being a dictator and signing uncontested executive orders. The executive branch is filled with weirdos and activists. He is not running the country and he is literally in bed with China. The leadership is so old in the US they should all be in rest homes. If you lean center right in the States your losing your rights by the minute. It is appalling.
Politically, I am with the Aussie’s on their view of Joe and Kamela. ‘The emperor has no clothes’. And it is not funny.
I don’t know if this applies to your choice of web options, but yes, certainly don’t use the (Google) Chrome browser as Google began blocking right (actual) news and opinion long before FaceBook and Twitter did it. Less obviously for many years but quite clear if you checked search results against other search engines.
Using Chrome is little better than using FB and Twitter in terms of remaining in their carefully-walled and growing leftist garden.
Brave and DDG are likely the best options are present.
–— before they are all led off, one by one or in groups, to be silenced and effectively slaughtered. —
But of course to the ideologue, their ideology will never turn on them. And they are largely correct, so long as they maintain their ideological bona fides.
Those masters silencing their enemies will continue to let the lap dogs in their lap provided they neither bark nor whine while so ensconced, but remain docile to the masters and junk yard dogs to the Winston Smiths of the world.
The banning of Trump from Social Media was, indeed, a watershed moment. But Joe Biden (and his fellow woke fascist robots) are the “men” of the moment.
Robert Cardinal Sarah:
“Postmodern man is a perpetual nomad, a puppet tossed to and fro, at the mercy of all the winds of fashion.”
and…
“In his Confessions, Saint Augustine writes: ‘You have made us for Yourself, Lord, and our hearts are restless until they rest in You.’ God is the very direction of human progress. Speed and artificiality cannot lead us to God. The man of the moment is not the man of God. He ends up no longer understanding his reason for being.”
and…
“…In our world, man finds his place only insofar as he is useful in the vast spider web of robots. Man reduced to the role of technological underling is no longer a man, strictly speaking, but a cold operator who long since has renounced the use of his free will; he has lost contact with his soul…”
TDINFS p 207, 208
“Brave and DDG are likely the best options are present.” – OriginalFrank and others.
That’s what I browse on and search with.
That’s why I got worried.
Note to anyone with direct contact lines to Neo: let her know if she ever gets a Red Screen on your browser.
On topic: RTWT, which really is ground-breaking.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/federal-judge-signals-may-end-twitters-immunity-speech-police-worried/
There will be unintended (so to speak) consequences all the way around, regardless of how the judge rules.
And the appeals either way will probably go all the way to the top.
I think the watershed moment was Obama claiming that if he had a son he would look like Trayvon Martin. This started the avalanche.
In the past presidents would not comment on local issues or if they did it was to say that “we need to let the process happen-or I have faith in the justice system.” By offering that opinion Obama laid the foundation for the supposition of unfair treatment of blacks at the hands of whites.
When Obama sympathized with Trayvon he was saying to the left that there is a basic flaw in our system that prevents justice for black folks. This was brought home by the acquittal of George Zimmerman.
Note that Michelle Obama claimed she had the “talk” with her daughters.
Life is tragic…
Yawrate,
Don’t forget, even before Trayvon, Obama decided the police had “acted stupidly? recklessly? foolishly? when Professor Gates (sp?) was locked out of his house; resulting in the famous “beer summit” where Biden played the role of court jester so ably we decided to elect Slow Joe to a four year engagement.
Yo. The Honorable Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Cybele Mahut wears Maori moko (facial tattoo). Referring to her as semi-savage and obese is downright: ignorant and bigoted. Centuries old cultural significant customs in some societies is NOT savagery. I do not suppose to be politically correct in my objection. My Alaskan Native ancestors wore facial tattoos (these tattoos are in resurgence). My ancestors were not savages. So refine your observations on Aboriginal customs; already. Unless cheap-shot bigotry is your thing. BTW this so called NZ semi-savage hails from Maori royalty. Surprised that Native persons resent being referred to as “savage”? So glib, so ignorant.
Maoris would do well to assimilate more. Genocidal Cannibal Royalty, to be precise. Perhaps you’re not aware that ye standard Maori victory feast after slaughtering a defeated tribe involved exhuming their ancestors and putting them on the BBQ. Charming. Plenty other good examples of this kind of thing — and they keep up a good deal of their old traditions today in violent ethnic motorcycle gangs, etc. One thing I’ll say for the Maoris is that like Gurkhas they make good shock troops.
Australian Aboriginal initiation rituals involve various forms of sexual mutilation of the sort which makes a Mohel look like your fairy godmother. Male tribal initiation rites also involve the young being forced to fellate the tribal elders. In fact these things are so gross and brutal that starting in the 1960s all the old school anthropologists films were locked up and in many cases destroyed under various excuses because can’t have Joe Public knowing this stuff when he’s being preached at to worship Indigenous Traditions and hate Western Culture.
I’ve got nothing against aboriginal customs in aboriginal conditions — they evolved to fit tight survival niches. They have little to zero place in the modern world. So let’s not get all weepy about this nonsense and savagery.
And no, it’s not the look you want when you send some decorative moral-preening statement of an excuse for a Government Minister out to negotiate with Apex Level Predators like the Chinese. It’s fundamentally *UNSERIOUS* — a problem which is affecting more and more our Western so-called ‘Elites’.
There’s a time for civility and a time for disgust and contempt. Atrophied disgust reflexes are not signs of superior breeding or some kind of tolerant higher form of human development.
If you express an opinion about this on Face Book you are censored. I got banned on Twitter for questioning Section 230 protection of social media.
Under a SCOTUS decision, if an organization has government protection from consequences of their actions, then they are not longer a “private entity” that can censor people; they have to follow as does government via the Bill of Rights. The Supreme Court has identified three ways a private entity can become a state actor bound by the Constitution: (1) state compulsion to perform the challenged action; (2) state entwinement with the private entity in carrying out the entity’s functions; and (3) state delegation of a public function to the private entity.
Defending your bigotry is supremely dufessy. Preening? Why not just say, I’m an ignorant cuss cuz I called an NZ Minister semi-savage and obese? Please defend how this Minister is a semi-savage. All cultures have violent unsavory customs if you look….but you single out the Maori making you well, still ignorant. So you know a litany of their worst customs. Brilliant. Superior breeding like yours, right? Best to admit you made an insensitive bigoted remark. There, try it.
Nah… I made an informed bigoted remark. You speak as if you think that a bit of bigotry and prejudice are *bad* things… Might want to reconsider this in light of approaching events.
To be fair, if I were a gentleman (no such claim made or implied), I’d have just scorned her for being a female out of place. Women should not be involved in politics at all.
As I said: ***Fundamentally Unserious***
FWIW, one of my great grandfathers got about with a shillelagh. I don’t find myself riven with nostalgie de la bog and driven by an atavistic urge to go about drunkenly clubbing people over the head whilst uttering witty leprechaunisms… and nor would I derive a sense of pride from it. Something to consider.
Informed yet still bigoted. Irish history has what to do with referring to a NZ Minister as semi savage? Something to consider if we were defending odd Irish remarks. But you know best. Bigotry and prejudice aren’t defensible. You could claim I’m too PC. I’m not. Specifically this Minister IS not semi savage…except to you maybe. Case closed.
Hi,
Stumbled by here [ I spend too much time @ Neo’s on weekdays, as it is] while on a shopping errand.
And I think that the exchange between Copperdawg (who I seem to remember was a regular commenter some while ago) and Zaphod could be turned into an edifying exchange, if the actual ethical suppositions could be ruthlessly exposed.
Toward this end, I would ask that copperdawg make the effort to place aside his annoyance for a moment, and instead make an argument as to why Zaphod’s sneering vituperation is wrong; on what fundamental grounds it is wrong, and based on what principles do we know – or are we to presume – that those are secure grounds?
It might in fact be wrong, and some people, Christians for example can probably argue right down to the final turtle that it is. They could explain, to some degree why bigotry is wrong and what “right” the subject has to be free of such invective even if a hostile adversary, and whence that supposed right originates.
But I am not sure that arguing – dubiously – that all cultures have had savage customs – inoculates someone contemptible from being sneered at as a savage.
Perhaps it is all in the definition one accepts of “savagery”, and whether one thinks that one can make a respectable and logically coherent imperative argument against “othering”, … others. If we are to assume that that is what is involved here.
I personally think that being obese and tattooed, while revolting, are not necessarily indications of personal savagery; though, they might, and I repeat might, provide some insight into the moral sensibility and judgement of the person, and into the limits which they recognize with regard to what they consider as human good.
Anyway, it could be more interesting if we investigated what made the sin a sin, rather than seeking a public confession from the sinner.
That could be a good start.
It is a proposition that we have assumed to be true for a couple of generations now.
But the reasons that once were given for believing so, the psychic unity of mankind and a common moral heritage based in natural law yada yada yada, are rejected by a plurality of the human race, if not by an outright hostile majority.
So, how does one argue in defense of forbearance for the sake of a common X, when there is no longer thought to be a common X?
@DNW:
I could go along with Bigotry and Prejudice being indefensible were there an Omnipotent Deity who stated this to be so. I’d be even more inclined to Tremble and Obey were I sure that everyone else I was likely to encounter were also in the Tremble and Obey Camp.
A very crude formulation. I probably don’t need to tell you that such rarefied things as Deontological Ethics are pretty much outside my ken.
Failing some very powerful Outside Context Moral Force, it seems to me that of our present Creed of Tolerance and Politeness is a form of Slow Suicide.
You are right to point out to Copperdawg that I’m unlikely to be a willing actor in an Auto da Fe. But, since we’re attempting to go meta here for a moment, putting myself aside, there is a broader point:
What moral argument could any of us make which would turn a Leftist aside from putting us up against a wall?
Godwin makes his late appearance:
“When I hear the word ‘Kultur’, I reach for my Browning” — and the man who said that could have expounded at length on the Categorical Imperative. At that point in history he just didn’t care.
There comes a point when societal stress reaches breaking point where moral arguments simply have no meaning. No amount of wishful thinking changes this. By banning prejudice and vituperation, all we do is knock down some of the fences which help to keep societies away from the cliff’s edge. Because things go on ok for a long time before going nastily non-linear, we never seem to learn from history or see it coming. And so the wheel turns.
This is what I believe. No claims of any virtue being made. Just the facts as far as I can tell.
Huh? Leaving this blog cuz Mr Dufuss skirt-the-actual-issue goes all pseudo off (this) topic to cartwheel away from his nasty characterization of a Maori NZ Minister. His contribution reminds me of my old Patterico days (where mostly white chappies waxed on and occasionally got well, racist). I’ve rarely posted here. Have read this blog daily for at least four years. Most posters are congenial and smart. I CAN NOT countenance dopey bigots that make fanciful erudite(?) justifications and professorial excuses for their careless remarks. Explicating the meaning of savage…hopeless determination to intellectualize an absolutely intolerable remark about a current high office Minister in NZ. See ya. BTW, red pilled about 9 years ago. And I’m not a man. Buhbye.
Me:
And me again:
Zaphod, with a hopeful start:
[Deontological ethics are ultimately a thinly disguised exercise in circular reasoning so I think we can ignore them anyway]
Copperdawg,
Yeah, OK. Well, that did not work very well.
People seem able enough to say why they are – perhaps justly – offended. But they seem to have a much greater difficulty in explaining why they have a right to be offended, and how that offense comports, if it does, with a particular scheme of justice.
We don’t know what justice is anymore. Claims of forbearance have mutated into positive rights which lay active claims on others to do, or participate … yet no universally valid arguments are adduced, or even attempted.
How is this any different from a Nietzschean will to power and domination?
The fact that a supposed victim makes the claim does not mean it must not be argued if we are to have any alternative to violence in the arbitrative force of reason.
Yet, rather than make that universal claim and then state the grounds for making it … it seems people would rather just let things go till we get down to settling matters with the knife. (Not that copperdawg is an example of this).
Maybe everyone has gone Rorty while I was not looking.
Good night all.
It could have been interesting.
If anyone changes their minds …
Thanks for your input DNW. I appreciate your stepping in to make me slow down and think things through more carefully.
At any time I’d be interested in a discussion of why we as a civilization feel the need to sacralize the Primitive of late. Plenty to chew on there.
Good night!
“…a good start…”
One possible start might be to try to resist making a mountain out of a mohel-hill.
True, it’s all the rage to show that one is offended, victimized, hurt, aggressed, micro-aggressed (with no doubt nano-aggressed coming down the pike).
To the point where even if one is offensive or obnoxious—and is called on it—one will, often as not, respond with wails of victimhood (along with all the necessary righteous indignation).
Far preferable—and entertaining for that matter—is head-on offensiveness, tit-for-tat cussedness, ram-butting repartee. Honest no-holds-barred argument. (Might even learn something, if only juicy imprecations.) Sure beats whining in any event, though one’s tastes may vary.
Regarding Maoris, in my limited experience, there is a refreshing waft of WYSIWYG, of brute honesty, at least on the rugby pitch. Or the battlefield, for that matter. (Arthur Janov had nothing on these guys.) Moreover, given the current (or not so current) global zest for tatooing and, might one say, sexual, um, creativity, could it be—actually be—that “We are all Maori now”?
But oh dear, that does smack of white, colonialist, cultural appropriation. Still, I’m sure it’s one huge reason why Kiwis—of all stripes—are different from you and me…. (Or maybe it’s just the isolation. Gosh, things sure can be complex….)
Hold on!
THIS JUST IN from (very occasionally) reliable sources:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/denying-reality-leads-tyranny-and-societal-failure
…and not a moment too soon!
(What a scoop!)
Or maybe banning Trump was the culmination of a long-running flood that finally reached to the top of the mountain. If you can ban a President, you can ban anyone.
And they have been practicing by banning more and more people at the base of the status pyramid, while climbing up higher and higher each time.
(Is that reaching a little too far for an analogy?)
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-the-hypocrites-at-apple-who-canceled
Matt then details some other hypocritical absurdities, including the use of slave labor in China, predatory commercial practices, and foreign tax dodge havens.
My point is that the Woke jackals have no qualms anymore about who they go after, because the drivers of the troikas will throw their comrades to the wolves every time.
(Maybe the “captains of the riverboats will throw their comrades to the alligators” would be more consistent with the flood on the mountain metaphor.)
Commenters contribute personal cancellation stories, and several women – some in IT – state that they found the offending passage ribald but not misogynist, and most observe that the pearl clutching is snowflake theater, as Taibbi concluded:
Another watershed revealed – probably not news to anyone here, but it needs to be repeated so it isn’t forgotten.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/netzarim-junction-and-the-birth-of-fake-news
However, one thing about the al Durah hoax – and Pallywood in general – confuses me.
Why aren’t the Israelis filming the Palestinians filming their fake “atrocity stories” and airing that footage to refute them?
Relevant in the context of the AP disclaimers that they had no idea they were sharing an office building with Hamas military forces.