By the way, for what it’s worth…
…all these public statements by people such as Biden and Pelosi and many others, about how the guilty verdicts for Chauvin were so wonderfully correct, will almost inevitably have a prejudicial effect on the pending trial of the other officers who were with Chauvin that day.
Yes. These aren’t deep thinkers, though, but having this pointed out, it wouldn’t bother them at all to prejudice the coming trials of the other officers.
Not necessarily related to this particular Chauvin post, but the Bee has a good one today:
https://babylonbee.com/news/after-chauvin-verdict-blm-volunteers-to-rebuild-minneapolis-return-all-looted-items
that’s the point
https://babalublog.com/2021/04/21/derek-chauvins-conviction-by-obviously-intimidated-jury-cheered-by-americas-top-cheerleaders-for-mass-murderers-fidel-castro-and-che-guevara-maxine-waters-jesse-jackson-blm-etc-coincidence/#comment-174164
The other three officers will be more human sacrifice to appease BLM gods.
The Democrats were badly frightened by the positive response on the part of black men to Trump’s border rules and the rising employment. Black women, for the most part, are not about to leave the Democrats and “free stuff.” Remember much of the black middle class, predominantly women, are government employees. Black men not so much and more willing to see the threat of illegal aliens.
Could the statememts also possibly effect Chauvin’s inevitable appeal?
A first degree murder conviction requires that it be premeditated. Since Chauvin had never met Floyd before hand, the only scenario in which Chauvin could possibly be guilty of it is if he actually said or wrote, “Today, I am going to go kill some black guy.”
OG Doug:
No, because appeals go before judges. Judges are supposedly impervious to that sort of thing. It’s juries that are more likely to be affected.
Roy Nathanson:
Why are you bringing up first degree murder? I don’t think that’s been alleged for Chauvin or any of the other defendants.
Judges are supposedly impervious to that sort of thing. It’s juries that are more likely to be affected.
You might want to ask Roberts about that.
Neo,
Sorry. I thought that he had been charged with murder one. I just read the details of the charges. I was wrong.
I also posted the comment to the wrong thread.
Bad Roy. Bad!
Roy N:
Forgiven.
Mike K:
Yeah, that’s why the word “supposedly” was in there.
OG Doug:
By the way, their statements could also have affected Chauvin’s sentencing, if the jury was doing that – but it’s the judge who will be sentencing him, as far as I know.
Derek Chauvin was on trial, so too were the judge and jury on trial. The judge and jury failed their charge. Chauvin was proven innocent.
In their “heart of hearts”, the judge and jury know the truth. They have condemned and destroyed the life of an innocent man who faithfully followed the procedures his training dictated. One who placed his very life at daily risk in service to those who have now condemned him.
In doing so, they have rendered judgement upon themselves, for “As you judge, so shall you be judged.”
May God have mercy on their souls.
Of course, this argument won’t be accepted, but if an accused person can’t be reasonably guaranteed a fair trial, then he should not be charged.
Chauvin’s trial and conviction make it abundantly clear that his fellow police officers can’t get a fair trial. In such a case, the trial is illegal. It violates the most fundamental premise of the jury trial system.
Yes, I know they’ll still be tried, but legally, they should not be.
Cornflour:
Problem is, even if they’re not tried (which of course won’t happen; they will be tried), I think at that point they would have to go into some sort of protection program where their identities are changed. Same for Chauvin if he’d been acquitted.
“These aren’t deep thinkers…”
Well, yes and no. One must be extremely wary here. Extremely vigilant.
The truth is we are being greatly—immensely—distracted, all of us, by the “Biden” Show, by the Grand Obama Opry, by “events”, by lies, and by the evil that is being carefully and tightly woven throughout and around the country and its citizens.
Distracted and even outplayed.
It’s ALL theatre, whether in the WH, in Congress, in the China Sea, in the Crimea, on the southern border, and in the cities, coast to coast…while “Biden”, painstakingly plans—covering ALL the bases—to take care of “his” enemies—those at home and those in the Middle East. Especially those at home.
One must never forget the complex and intricate, sophisticated and multi-dimensional plots that were hatched, organized and run by these artistes of illegality from 2009 to 2016, and beyond: Fast and Furious, the IRS scandal, Obamacare, Attkisson’s shake-out (and Risen’s), JCPOA, UN Resolution 2334, Michael Flynn, Russiagate and everything connected to it. For starters.
(Yes, THAT “no-major-scandal” administration….)
And I’ll (just) add, their COVID “response” plan (still ongoing), their impeachment circuses, their media-driven blood libels, and their coup-de-grace: the 2020 “elections”.
These are exceedingly devious, manipulative, driven, power-mad, clever, cunning people. Masters of malice. Geniuses of destruction, whether it be of persons, of society or of country.
And so, while our attention is dominated by albeit momentous distractions….
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/04/executive_order_canceling_the_constitution.html
H/T/ Instapundit
…we’ve been taking our eyes off the ball.
(That’s the reason, of course, why “Biden” is constantly keeping us all in “React” mode. In “Righteous Indignation” mode.)
“…Since Chauvin had never met Floyd before hand…”
FWIW, there were reports very soon after Floyd’s death that—if I have the story right—the two knew each other previously from having worked as bouncers at the same night club.
I don’t know if these reports were since retracted or deemed false rumors.
Further illustrations of demented, though powerfully effective, hysteria-promoting, Democratic-Party theater:
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/04/7-reasons-why-democrats-are-obsessed-race-don-feder/
…and rather ominously (if appropriately), it turns out that the article linked to two comments back was written by a fellow named…Goldstein…
It’s a feature not a bug Neo.
They want to influence the next set of verdicts just like they did this one.
And any future opportunities to make a white person suffer.
If they can get a race war… all the better. THEN they can nationalize law enforcement, gun seizures and suspension of the Constitution.
All part of the plan.
“All part of the plan.” – John
No plan survives first contact with the enemy.
At this point, the “enemy” hasn’t really done any serious push-back.
The greatest danger is to the people in the middle – black and white – who don’t want to fight each other, but will be forced to pick sides in some way, depending mostly on individual circumstances.
And where are the Asians and Hispanics going to weigh in?
The thing that the white-guilt-marxist SJWs are over-looking is that a black-white race war puts them on the wrong side of the color line.
The thing that the BLM cohort are dismissing is that black people are still hugely out-numbered, even just on the left. They will be between the rock and the hard place, because the WGMSJWs are going to drop the “guilt” part as soon as they get the other whites under control and don’t need black troops anymore.
Or the “enemy” is going to wipe them both.
Not a clue how this will actually play out; too many moving parts and if-then alternative pathways.
“Do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with the Lord thy God.”
^^ Hispanics, Squatemalans, Atavistic Aztec Throwbacks all get to dance to the Boogaloo as well. They do not like Blacks at all and are armed to the teeth.
The Goldstein post Barry linked is frightening.
This is unconstitutional on so many levels the mind boggles; no wonder they want to pack the Supreme Court!
Excerpts:
Geoffrey Britain,
I did not follow this trial very closely, but I haven’t seen anyone who did (other than you), claim Chauvin was proven innocent. It seems like a very believable argument can be made that there was more than reasonable doubt of his guilt, but were any of the medical experts’ opinions conclusive that Chauvin’s actions absolutely did not cause or contribute to George Floyd’s death? I know the fentanly levels were above common, overdose levels, but those numbers are not absolutes, are they? They vary among individuals.
neo @ 11:18pm,
Yup. See the officer in the Michael Brown case as an example.
Barry Meislin @ 2:27am,
Very well stated (unfortunately). The media assists our persecutors in following the shiny objects they use to distract us from their theft of our liberty.
I don’t know if these reports were since retracted or deemed false rumors.
They were both casual employees of a bar, working as bouncers. Their employer avers they didn’t work together.
FWIW, there were reports very soon after Floyd’s death that—if I have the story right—the two knew each other previously from having worked as bouncers at the same night club.
I saw that, too, and wonder, if true, that might have affected Chauvin’s decision to not testify. If not true, the decision was a serious error, I think.
I know the fentanly levels were above common, overdose levels, but those numbers are not absolutes, are they? They vary among individuals.
They do not vary that much. The argument that an addict can tolerate higher fentanyl levels was BS in my opinion. Remember he was hospitalized 3 months prior for an overdose.
Remember much of the black middle class, predominantly women, are government employees.
I haven’t been able to locate precise data on this point, just data which circles around the point.
As we speak, about 12% of the working population is black. There are 21.4 million public employees in toto. Federal employees are 18% black. Cannot find summary data on state and local employees.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics divvies up the whole workforce according to industry. About 35% of all government employees are deemed to be in the ‘public administration’ industry with the remainder in various other industries (e.g. education, social services, computer operations, protective services, &c). Per the BLS, about 17.5% of those working in the ‘public administration’ industry are black.
One can identify a list of 85 detailed occupations which are (1) bourgeois and in which (2) one might expect to find a visible government sector and in which (3) at least 5% of the working population is black. Employees in these occupations account for about 28% of the working population. Just shy of 11% of the employees in these occupations are black.
I think the phenomenon you refer to is real, but commonly overstated.
; Rufus T. Firefly; Mike K; Geoffrey Britain:
Addicts have died of overdoses with levels much lower than Floyd, and they’ve lived with levels much higher. I read in a report that the average OD level for an addict is around 9, and Floyd exceeded that.
There was also evidence that he wasn’t an addict any more but was an episodic user. I don’t recall how much all of this was brought out at the trial, though, since I mostly read summaries and not transcripts except for certain passages.
The defense only had to prove that the fentanyl might have been the cause of his death, not that it absolutely was. It also had to introduce reasonable doubt that the knee on back/shoulder (there was no knee on neck, it turns out) contributed significantly to, or caused, his death.
Proving innocence is ordinarily impossible, except by proving the person was somewhere else at the time (even then, the person could have hired a hit man). Chauvin was most definitely there.
Barry Meislin; Mike K:
They did not know each other.
The idea that they did was one of the early lies promulgated in the case. It was retracted early on, too, but it doesn’t surprise me if you didn’t see the retraction. The retraction got much less publicity than the lie, as usual.
As for Chauvin testifying, I’m surprised that anyone thinks he should have. His failure to do so is absolutely standard even when a person is innocent. Testifying opens the door to vicious cross examination by the prosecution and the bringing up of other topics, too. It’s usually a very very bad idea. Also, I doubt that Chauvin would have made a good witness for himself. His demeanor is very cold. That doesn’t mean he’s guilty, but juries don’t like it.
If the defense had had him testify and he’d been found guilty (I am convinced he would have been found guilty no matter what) then everyone would be screaming that the defense never should have done it.
Hmmm.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/304819
(Not the NYT…. Not even the NYPost…)
…aaaand it looks like those Republicans are so low, so awful, so anti-American that they’re throwing their sabots (you know, the ones with the swoosh stripe) in “Biden” ‘s teleprompter.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/304820
(Can’t get much lower than that….)
Barry Meislin 3:22 pm: Yes, well Officer Tatum has taken this position frequently and consistently.
Isn’t it interesting that it sometimes seems we are only able to get straight-talk reporting on our domestic issues out of foreign media outlets? Daily Mail UK, the Independent, etc. Maybe these outlets figure it’s a better risk providing coverage on foreign issues; Less locally induced psychotic backlash.
Actually, in this case, I believe he truly “ambushed” the BBC (and its clueless interviewer, whom you could practically hear thinking: “WTF! This guy is NOT supposed to be thinking these things on MY program let alone expressing such opinions in public…”)
I could be wrong, of course (would be nice if I were), but let’s see if Officer Tatum ever gets invited back for an interview with the Beeb….