I was watching a program where an Italian woman was talking about how many generations of her family had lived on the property she currently owns and it made me think about America and my family. Neither my sister, nor I live in the city or state where our parents grew up. Neither of my parents lived in the city or state (even country, on one side) where their parents grew up. Of the two grandparents born in the U.S., neither lived in the city or state where their parents grew up.
Is that common with most of us? It seems a major difference between American culture and most foreign cultures.
Was something supposed to happen March 4?
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Saw about 2/3 of an interview of Ron DeSantis by Mark Levin. Hard not to see DeSantis as the GOP’s current front runner for 2024.
Oh indeed. DeSantis/Noem 2024. Let Trump stick to media influence.
Speaking of Mondays and New Wave music, here was our anthem regarding the start of the week when I was in High School: https://youtu.be/ek4k6rZfFsk
The Boomtown Rats kicked it up a notch from the Mamas and the Papas; using the motive from a teen-aged school shooter as the theme for their song.
LeClerc,
I’d actually love to see a DeSantis/Gabbard ticket, but I know that’s impossible.
Rufus, about not living where you or your parents grew up. For immigrants that was always true, but for many of us multi-generation native born Americans, blame Eisenhower and his National Highways Act. Before that, multi-generation Bostonians or Philadelphians were much more common. As to the West Coast, it is still a constant astonishment to find a native San Diegan where I live, and Los Angeles is where everybody goes to reinvent themselves. The spill-over has gone to Phoenix and Las Vegas and now is spreading like locusts to Texas. As a tribute to Neo’s music emphasis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS9EEy4Hxc8.
Frank,
This is from the 1944 classic “Double Indemnity.” Walter Neff is selling insurance door-to-door in LA and runs into the lovely Mrs. Phyllis Dietrichson.
Phyllis: I’m a native Californian. Born right here in Los Angeles.
Walter Neff: They say all native Californians come from Iowa.
I’m sure some native Californians are from Nebraska.
Hi, Cappy.
Rufus, I was thinking about that in a slightly different context the other day. If I were a homeowner, I’d want to have a moderately nice house with a durable library and walls and some land for growing food and stuff, kind of like one of those old English manors. And I’d want to pass it on to either children or someone else suitably selected for the purpose, so they and the family could have an enduring headquarters of sorts. But who in this country ever does that anymore? I bet not even the ultra-rich think that way at this point. It’s kind of strange, really.
A strong motivation for me thinking this way (and this scenario will never be available to me, I suspect) is the idea of preserving a sort of little cultural repository as well; thus the library and certain other features that would be intelligible for use by Orthodox people but probably not anyone else. Maybe that’s the key – to have a safe place as a sort of repository or haven over generations is just not a sticky idea in this country. But if certain ‘events’ take hold in the coming years, minds might conceivably change.
If anyone is interested in some of the background of the Mamas and the Papas and The Byrds and The Beach Boys there is this documentary that’s not bad. Echo in the Canyon
Remember the lyric: McGuinn and McGuire just a-gettin’ higher
In L.A., you know where that’s at
And no one’s gettin’ fat except Mama Cass
According to the film (gain of salt warning) Roger McGuinn is The man that brought folk music guitar licks to popular/rock music, at that time.
Marisa,
Those guys are very good!
Here was another of my favorite Monday songs, back in my youth. Written by Prince. It’s not really my style but for some reason(?) a lot of other young men, like me, seemed to find something about it we enjoyed.
Rufus & Frank,
My great grandfather was born and raised in New York. In 1872, he enlisted in Custer’s 7th Cavalry. In 1874 he took part in the Black Hills Expedition. In 1875 he was on anti-Klan duty in Louisiana. In 1876, he spent 2,006 miles in the saddle including the Battle of the Little Bighorn and the expedition to dismount and disarm the people at the Cheyenne Agency in the aftermath. After leaving the army as “a Sergeant of excellent character”, he homesteaded in South Dakota and at one point was the county sheriff and my great grandmother was the school teacher. He relocated to Spokane were at the end of his life where he was in charge of a Washington Water Power Co. substation. My grandfather was born in South Dakota. My mother was born in Spokane.
It’s one of my favorite songs, period. For some reason it never got much traction. I think the lyrics are a bit unfortunate. The Records wrote it as an attack on their agent. If they would have written lyrics about a star struck girl instead I think it could have been huge. It’s a very good tune.
Of the three generations still alive in my family I’m the only one that doesn’t live in the same house, which is about a mile away from where I reside.
We’ve all lived all our lives in the same county, with the exception of my mom and I for about six months when she married my stepdad. Even then we were in the same state. My sister-in-law was from one county over.
My grand parents and most of there brothers and sisters on both sides moved in mass migration from south Louisiana (Avery Island) to Port Arthur, Tx to work in the refineries.
My sister lives in the home we grew up in to this day. Dad and mom got tired of upkeep on the home and moved into apt … gave the house to my older sister. Mom and dad later bought a new home.
Multi generation living is not uncommon in our rural southern state. Not in same house but nearby. Kids come home to raise their children near parents and family . Obviously they pay a price in the job opportunity area , but overall it does work. To coin a phrase , money isn’t everything.
}}} Frank: blame Eisenhower and his National Highways Act
I would argue that, and airplanes. And the energy crisis of the 1970s. There are a number of factors that make Americans far far more mobile than they used to be. Though Itinerancy has always been America’s solution to financial difficulties — “go where the work is” — you probably did not go as far as you often do today, just because it’s easier to pick up and move.
Kids are much much more likely to go farther away when going to college, which can change their after-college destinations considerably (again: go where the specialist work is). AND it’s much easier to “go home” to visit, when it’s 3h flight rather than a 4d ordeal…
OTOH, once you get along in years, there’s probably a little less tendency, as you get enough STUFF that moving becomes a major chore.
BUT, then you get older, again, and you may move to where your kids are, to see the grandkids, AND to have someone around to care for you a bit as you get on in years… and you sell a lot of that STUFF when you downsize. So, again, more mobility.
AND, the family ties are generally weaker, as are the dependency ties — as extended families, we’re often less devoted to each other, and/or, less dependent on each other.
All of these factors create much more locational churn in life… more opportunities, more options, easier after-mobility.
}}} Phyllis: I’m a native Californian. Born right here in Los Angeles.
}}} Walter Neff: They say all native Californians come from Iowa.
}}} I’m sure some native Californians are from Nebraska.
That was largely of the times that followed the Dust Bowl, where the destination was almost always Cali.
The place that was ALWAYS transplants was Florida. Until you had AC, NO American wanted to live in the “almost Tropics”, with the sweat, the heat, and the mosquitoes.
That’s changed a lot, due to the prevalence of AC plus the energy crisis of the 70s, which shifted a LOT of that northern population south. FL used to be very dependent on the tourism industry (the CV problem would have destroyed FL’s economy, but hasn’t, since we’re much less dependent on tourism). In my generation (b. 1959), “native floridians” were a major rarity (both parents were born in other states). For the last 20-30y, (also, perhaps, thanks to a steady influx of Puerto Ricans and Cubans, who tend to stay in SFL) that has been far far less unusual.
Another great group that created great harmonies.
Here’s a video of five Association songs performed on several Smothers Brothers shows.
Missing one of their best songs- Cherish.
Includes a song I’d never heard- Requiem for the Masses.
Oh and the story is my family way back was run out of Canada with many more with French decent landing in Louisiana.
Don’t know how true that is but sister did ancestry thing and she told me that.
The Mamas and The Papas produced some pleasant pop music on the verge of it’s complete disappearance. My guess is that although they were more of the “counter culture”, they could nonetheless be classed with “The Fifth Dimension”, Sonny and Cher” , and a host of other rock or counter culture influenced groups and performers.
A couple of the songs by the Mamas and The Papas I best recalled for years, were, “Sunday Will Never be the Same” and “Like to get to Know You”.
My metropolitan area has a city that is dying, with many, many vacant buildings. Yet, builders are putting up new subdivisions everywhere outside of the city. In one area we are letting existing structures collapse while, on the other side of town we are importing materials and tearing up land to make new structures.
Most cities, counties, states seem to do a poor job on urban, suburban, rural planning.
The first time I visited my wife’s family in Europe I was astounded by the planning. As Phillip wrote about, families thought about future generations. How will this hedge look in 100 years? Will residents have a forest to hike in?
I do so more areas requiring residential and commercial developers to do additional projects in order to land development contracts. You want to build a subdivision? 20% of the land has to be set aside as green space. You have to build a playground for kids to play in. You can’t clearcut, bulldoze, you have to work around existing, mature trees.
You want to make your area so expensive that no one can live there (Silicon valley) plan away. You want to make your area so expensive that homeless encampments are filling up your “public” parks and green spaces (see Tragedy of the Commons) plan away. Why not rent control too? Planning and such only works if the rules apply to all not just those who will abide with them. Some feel they don’t need no stinkin’ rules from “colonizers” etc. or are immigrants from other cultures (see no go areas in Europe).
One would suspect that government rules or rent seeking behavior/disfunction are part an parcel of why some areas are left to rot and other parts are free for building. Could also be “brownlands” or environmental justice or anti-gentirfication at work.
I liked the Association. One reason may be that a couple of my now-wife’s friends in college sang some of them at parties and I like the association.
“Fortunate Son” is on youtube with some relevant footage.
The “counter culture” thing always annoyed me. It wasn’t for decades that I heard the characterization of a different issue which seemed, in retrospect, to apply to counterculture. “I hate you. Now take me and Sarah to the mall!” Tom Lehrer’s views of the folk vibe seemed to apply to the counterculture’s self-image as well.
WW1 and 2 Great Migrations + Civil Rights Movement also did their bit to ensure that many Americans who had been living in the same place for a few generations moved somewhere (anywhere) else. Nothing like having your homely little patch of transplanted Dublin or Naples turn into Mogadishu to give a person itchy feet.
Beyond that, female emancipation has been the death knell of smaller communities. Young women are attracted to city lights like moths to flames. Game over for your town — and your genes — cities are dysgenic demographic sinks; end up in one and you’re more than likely not to reproduce at all, and if you do, probably suboptimally. This one is true all over the world. Whether it’s rural France or Japan, good luck spotting many people under 50 years old out and about. We’ve evolved to live in villages and small towns and boil off misfits, troublemakers, and the occasional Bonaparte (but I repeat myself).
Great song, jack. One of the candidates for “first rock ‘n roll record”. Though credited to Jackie Brenston it was really Ike Turner’s band. Now remembered mostly as Tina’s abusive spouse, Turner played a role in the early days of rock.
But that’s a good thing. I suggest we all read what she has to say. She talks about the danger some of us will face from leftist friends and immediate family members when the balloon goes up. Something to think about.
Around 1991, I was a technical architect and was asked by my employer (a large company that you all know who’s name starts with a B) to evaluate allowing corporate access to this new thing called the world wide web. I used Mosaic 1.0 for about an hour before telling my boss (literally) that it would “change the face of Arrakis”.
I had no freaking clue that 30 years later, I would be able to watch a video of pretty girls in colorful dresses set to Boer folk music and yet here it is:
There has always been a bit more to the Afrikaners than just Barnyard Calvinist Know-Nothings, but we’re not supposed to know or care about this. Author Deneys Reitz was far more of a Renaissance Man in Full than most anyone alive today. We’ve all lost a lot.
I once lent this CD of French folk music to a French Canadian co-worker. She had a pretty strong accent. When she gave it back, she said that she and and her French Canadian husband couldn’t understand a lot of it.
She talks about the danger some of us will face from leftist friends and immediate family members when the balloon goes up.
I live behind the “political lines.” When it comes to politics it can get heated sometimes and if it does I walk away.
Mrs jack knows who butters her bread … who has taken care of her day in and day out for 30+ years. It’s not and never has been and never will be the government. That she will readily admit.
Most of my family has been here in Central KY since the area was settled in the early 19th century.
My mom, who is now 90yo, still lives in the house my siblings and I grew up in. Speaking of siblings, I have 2 brothers and four sisters. All of them except one brother lives within 15 miles of me, and I am the one that lives the farthest out. (My sister jokes that she has to get her passport stamped whenever she crosses the county line to come to our house.)
I have one brother who, while in the Navy and stationed in San Diego, married a California girl. They lived there in SD until six years ago. That’s when they decided to abandon the Peoples Republic and move to the little town of Union Nebraska. My SIL didn’t care for the snow at first, but now she says she wouldn’t live anywhere else. (She jokes that there is nothing between them and the North Pole but a couple of barb wire fences.)
When I was very young, back in the 50’s, we lived in the city of Louisville. The neighborhood was really nice back then but unfortunately, as the 50’s progressed into the 60’s, we had to abandon the city because it was no longer a safe place for palefaces to raise kids.
As Zaphod said: “Nothing like having your homely little patch of transplanted Dublin or Naples turn into Mogadishu to give a person itchy feet.”
Yeah, we lived that. When I was ten, I was strong-arm robbed by a gang of black kids right down at the end of our block. I’m pretty sure that was the triggering event that caused my parents to move us out to the suburbs. The irony is that I had a lot of black friends that I really missed after we moved.
@Roy:
Hopefully some enlightened progressive types didn’t mandate bussing the gang that mugged you into your shiny new suburban primary school.
They. Just. Won’t. Leave. Us. Alone. That’s the real problem. Not the Blacks. Blacks are just being who they are. Good ones, Bad ones.. but there was some hope for everybody being able to continue to rub along as long as there still existed the right of free association. Once that went, the rest became inevitable.
There’s at least one Heavily Armed Redneck who is unimpressed by the recent performance put on by Harry and the Half-breed Princess:
I love Meghan Markle. The royal family, having destroyed Princess Dianna, deserve everything that is coming their way.
Zaphod: “Hopefully some enlightened progressive types didn’t mandate bussing the gang that mugged you into your shiny new suburban primary school.”
Actually, they did.
But not until 1975, and it caused riots in our little suburban corner of the world. However, by the time that happened, I was in the Navy and got to watch the “festivities” on national TV from – no kidding – San Diego California.
In the comments, Sarah suggests that we have three or four months to find our bolt hole before things get kinetic.
Probably over HR1, or something like it.
Also, a New Hampshirite posts a letter from his Representative Chris [insert Greek surname here] in reply to his letter complaining about his vote for the Equality Act.
It was pure gas bagging and puffing. Not a lick of intelligence, engagement or self-reflection.
In comments, there’s also fear by Dems of not getting radical laws passed before Biden must be 25th’ed. Because then President Harris would not be the deciding Senate vote, and the Veep cannot be replaced without the Senate voting.
So, they’re desperate.
CORRECTION: The Representative Chris Pappas letter concerns the radical House passed H.R. 1, the “For the People Act.” Not the Equality Act.
>>OBloodyHell,
You’re right about flying especially as it became available to all those deplorables who are stuck in coach. You pointed out the influence of AC in Florida, but its real ugly effect was to make Washington DC livable in the summer allowing our politicians to continue to meddle in our lives year-round.
DNW wrote: “A couple of the songs by the Mamas and The Papas I best recalled for years, were, “Sunday Will Never be the Same” and “Like to get to Know You”.
Although the sound is similar, I believe these were actually by Spanky and Our Gang. I like them better now than at the time they came out.
Oliver T. on March 9, 2021 at 4:01 pm said:
DNW wrote: “A couple of the songs by the Mamas and The Papas I best recalled for years, were, “Sunday Will Never be the Same” and “Like to get to Know You”.
Although the sound is similar, I believe these were actually by Spanky and Our Gang. I like them better now than at the time they came out.
Hi Oliver.
You are right of course. I apologize for being so allusive as to be indecipherable; in a failed attempt at irony, when I ended my statement with:
“Turned out that …”
And I agree as to the songs and the astonishing and impressive power of Spanky McFarland’s voice
}}} Quite a funny intro to “Along Comes Mary”.
There’s, I’m pretty sure, at least one higher quality version of that one floating around. I may be wrong, but I recall seeing one at some point.
Roy, Zaphod:
The real fun was when they started busing people around **BOSTON**.
The liberals had a complete hissy fit at the notion of their li’l’uns having to go to school with a Southie.
OBloodyHell:
That’s not what happened in Boston with busing. The liberal communities were not involved, and they certainly weren’t objecting to going to Southie – the liberal communities were white, and Southie was white. The busing involved Southie, the poor white community, and poor black communities like Roxbury. The busing was reciprocal, and neither side was keen on it. I’ve written at length about Boston busing. See this post.
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The Mamas and the Papas. Yeesh. Here’s how my generation sang about Mondays:
https://youtu.be/9GMjH1nR0ds
I was watching a program where an Italian woman was talking about how many generations of her family had lived on the property she currently owns and it made me think about America and my family. Neither my sister, nor I live in the city or state where our parents grew up. Neither of my parents lived in the city or state (even country, on one side) where their parents grew up. Of the two grandparents born in the U.S., neither lived in the city or state where their parents grew up.
Is that common with most of us? It seems a major difference between American culture and most foreign cultures.
Was something supposed to happen March 4?
Hello
Saw about 2/3 of an interview of Ron DeSantis by Mark Levin. Hard not to see DeSantis as the GOP’s current front runner for 2024.
Oh indeed. DeSantis/Noem 2024. Let Trump stick to media influence.
Speaking of Mondays and New Wave music, here was our anthem regarding the start of the week when I was in High School:
https://youtu.be/ek4k6rZfFsk
The Boomtown Rats kicked it up a notch from the Mamas and the Papas; using the motive from a teen-aged school shooter as the theme for their song.
LeClerc,
I’d actually love to see a DeSantis/Gabbard ticket, but I know that’s impossible.
Rufus, about not living where you or your parents grew up. For immigrants that was always true, but for many of us multi-generation native born Americans, blame Eisenhower and his National Highways Act. Before that, multi-generation Bostonians or Philadelphians were much more common. As to the West Coast, it is still a constant astonishment to find a native San Diegan where I live, and Los Angeles is where everybody goes to reinvent themselves. The spill-over has gone to Phoenix and Las Vegas and now is spreading like locusts to Texas. As a tribute to Neo’s music emphasis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS9EEy4Hxc8.
Frank,
This is from the 1944 classic “Double Indemnity.” Walter Neff is selling insurance door-to-door in LA and runs into the lovely Mrs. Phyllis Dietrichson.
Phyllis: I’m a native Californian. Born right here in Los Angeles.
Walter Neff: They say all native Californians come from Iowa.
I’m sure some native Californians are from Nebraska.
Hi, Cappy.
Rufus, I was thinking about that in a slightly different context the other day. If I were a homeowner, I’d want to have a moderately nice house with a durable library and walls and some land for growing food and stuff, kind of like one of those old English manors. And I’d want to pass it on to either children or someone else suitably selected for the purpose, so they and the family could have an enduring headquarters of sorts. But who in this country ever does that anymore? I bet not even the ultra-rich think that way at this point. It’s kind of strange, really.
A strong motivation for me thinking this way (and this scenario will never be available to me, I suspect) is the idea of preserving a sort of little cultural repository as well; thus the library and certain other features that would be intelligible for use by Orthodox people but probably not anyone else. Maybe that’s the key – to have a safe place as a sort of repository or haven over generations is just not a sticky idea in this country. But if certain ‘events’ take hold in the coming years, minds might conceivably change.
Cover of another Mamas and Papas song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBI7Km3z7-U&list=PL2v8kgVeo4EbQD6l_WAVjOfItquzW7oEc&index=47
A band I expect no one here has heard of singing about Monday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMPRr_-oBEw
If anyone is interested in some of the background of the Mamas and the Papas and The Byrds and The Beach Boys there is this documentary that’s not bad.
Echo in the Canyon
Remember the lyric:
McGuinn and McGuire just a-gettin’ higher
In L.A., you know where that’s at
And no one’s gettin’ fat except Mama Cass
According to the film (gain of salt warning) Roger McGuinn is The man that brought folk music guitar licks to popular/rock music, at that time.
Marisa,
Those guys are very good!
Here was another of my favorite Monday songs, back in my youth. Written by Prince. It’s not really my style but for some reason(?) a lot of other young men, like me, seemed to find something about it we enjoyed.
https://youtu.be/SsmVgoXDq2w
Rufus & Frank,
My great grandfather was born and raised in New York. In 1872, he enlisted in Custer’s 7th Cavalry. In 1874 he took part in the Black Hills Expedition. In 1875 he was on anti-Klan duty in Louisiana. In 1876, he spent 2,006 miles in the saddle including the Battle of the Little Bighorn and the expedition to dismount and disarm the people at the Cheyenne Agency in the aftermath. After leaving the army as “a Sergeant of excellent character”, he homesteaded in South Dakota and at one point was the county sheriff and my great grandmother was the school teacher. He relocated to Spokane were at the end of his life where he was in charge of a Washington Water Power Co. substation. My grandfather was born in South Dakota. My mother was born in Spokane.
TommyJay,
This is my favorite McGuinn inspired song: https://youtu.be/lAH1ioLiaHw
It’s one of my favorite songs, period. For some reason it never got much traction. I think the lyrics are a bit unfortunate. The Records wrote it as an attack on their agent. If they would have written lyrics about a star struck girl instead I think it could have been huge. It’s a very good tune.
Of the three generations still alive in my family I’m the only one that doesn’t live in the same house, which is about a mile away from where I reside.
We’ve all lived all our lives in the same county, with the exception of my mom and I for about six months when she married my stepdad. Even then we were in the same state. My sister-in-law was from one county over.
My grand parents and most of there brothers and sisters on both sides moved in mass migration from south Louisiana (Avery Island) to Port Arthur, Tx to work in the refineries.
My sister lives in the home we grew up in to this day. Dad and mom got tired of upkeep on the home and moved into apt … gave the house to my older sister. Mom and dad later bought a new home.
Multi generation living is not uncommon in our rural southern state. Not in same house but nearby. Kids come home to raise their children near parents and family . Obviously they pay a price in the job opportunity area , but overall it does work. To coin a phrase , money isn’t everything.
}}} Frank: blame Eisenhower and his National Highways Act
I would argue that, and airplanes. And the energy crisis of the 1970s. There are a number of factors that make Americans far far more mobile than they used to be. Though Itinerancy has always been America’s solution to financial difficulties — “go where the work is” — you probably did not go as far as you often do today, just because it’s easier to pick up and move.
Kids are much much more likely to go farther away when going to college, which can change their after-college destinations considerably (again: go where the specialist work is). AND it’s much easier to “go home” to visit, when it’s 3h flight rather than a 4d ordeal…
OTOH, once you get along in years, there’s probably a little less tendency, as you get enough STUFF that moving becomes a major chore.
BUT, then you get older, again, and you may move to where your kids are, to see the grandkids, AND to have someone around to care for you a bit as you get on in years… and you sell a lot of that STUFF when you downsize. So, again, more mobility.
AND, the family ties are generally weaker, as are the dependency ties — as extended families, we’re often less devoted to each other, and/or, less dependent on each other.
All of these factors create much more locational churn in life… more opportunities, more options, easier after-mobility.
}}} Phyllis: I’m a native Californian. Born right here in Los Angeles.
}}} Walter Neff: They say all native Californians come from Iowa.
}}} I’m sure some native Californians are from Nebraska.
That was largely of the times that followed the Dust Bowl, where the destination was almost always Cali.
The place that was ALWAYS transplants was Florida. Until you had AC, NO American wanted to live in the “almost Tropics”, with the sweat, the heat, and the mosquitoes.
That’s changed a lot, due to the prevalence of AC plus the energy crisis of the 70s, which shifted a LOT of that northern population south. FL used to be very dependent on the tourism industry (the CV problem would have destroyed FL’s economy, but hasn’t, since we’re much less dependent on tourism). In my generation (b. 1959), “native floridians” were a major rarity (both parents were born in other states). For the last 20-30y, (also, perhaps, thanks to a steady influx of Puerto Ricans and Cubans, who tend to stay in SFL) that has been far far less unusual.
Another great group that created great harmonies.
Here’s a video of five Association songs performed on several Smothers Brothers shows.
Missing one of their best songs- Cherish.
Includes a song I’d never heard- Requiem for the Masses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD94tZgPuvc&list=RDsYJhhKSXOBo&index=3
Here’s the group 40 years later, singing Never My Love.
Time takes it’s toll, but still impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfvL2oLeBYs&list=RDTLSutFM9kSE&index=3
Never cared much for Mamas & Papas …
“Loan Me a Dime” Boz Scaggs with Duane Allman
https://youtu.be/4lnOUcWU1P0
More my style.
I was the first person to move away since the 1840s.
Here’s another performance on Smothers Brothers by the Association.
Quite a funny intro to “Along Comes Mary”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYJhhKSXOBo&list=RDGy9FtCnAF78&index=5
Oh and the story is my family way back was run out of Canada with many more with French decent landing in Louisiana.
Don’t know how true that is but sister did ancestry thing and she told me that.
The Mamas and The Papas produced some pleasant pop music on the verge of it’s complete disappearance. My guess is that although they were more of the “counter culture”, they could nonetheless be classed with “The Fifth Dimension”, Sonny and Cher” , and a host of other rock or counter culture influenced groups and performers.
A couple of the songs by the Mamas and The Papas I best recalled for years, were, “Sunday Will Never be the Same” and “Like to get to Know You”.
Turned out that …
Dr. Scott Atlas, last word at Stanford
https://stanfordreview.org/scott-atlas-the-last-word/
To Phillip Sells’ point,
My metropolitan area has a city that is dying, with many, many vacant buildings. Yet, builders are putting up new subdivisions everywhere outside of the city. In one area we are letting existing structures collapse while, on the other side of town we are importing materials and tearing up land to make new structures.
Most cities, counties, states seem to do a poor job on urban, suburban, rural planning.
The first time I visited my wife’s family in Europe I was astounded by the planning. As Phillip wrote about, families thought about future generations. How will this hedge look in 100 years? Will residents have a forest to hike in?
I do so more areas requiring residential and commercial developers to do additional projects in order to land development contracts. You want to build a subdivision? 20% of the land has to be set aside as green space. You have to build a playground for kids to play in. You can’t clearcut, bulldoze, you have to work around existing, mature trees.
You want to make your area so expensive that no one can live there (Silicon valley) plan away. You want to make your area so expensive that homeless encampments are filling up your “public” parks and green spaces (see Tragedy of the Commons) plan away. Why not rent control too? Planning and such only works if the rules apply to all not just those who will abide with them. Some feel they don’t need no stinkin’ rules from “colonizers” etc. or are immigrants from other cultures (see no go areas in Europe).
One would suspect that government rules or rent seeking behavior/disfunction are part an parcel of why some areas are left to rot and other parts are free for building. Could also be “brownlands” or environmental justice or anti-gentirfication at work.
Now let’s move on to Tuesday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFNbTdLfBwQ
Not the Moody Blues
I liked the Association. One reason may be that a couple of my now-wife’s friends in college sang some of them at parties and I like the association.
“Fortunate Son” is on youtube with some relevant footage.
The “counter culture” thing always annoyed me. It wasn’t for decades that I heard the characterization of a different issue which seemed, in retrospect, to apply to counterculture. “I hate you. Now take me and Sarah to the mall!” Tom Lehrer’s views of the folk vibe seemed to apply to the counterculture’s self-image as well.
WW1 and 2 Great Migrations + Civil Rights Movement also did their bit to ensure that many Americans who had been living in the same place for a few generations moved somewhere (anywhere) else. Nothing like having your homely little patch of transplanted Dublin or Naples turn into Mogadishu to give a person itchy feet.
Beyond that, female emancipation has been the death knell of smaller communities. Young women are attracted to city lights like moths to flames. Game over for your town — and your genes — cities are dysgenic demographic sinks; end up in one and you’re more than likely not to reproduce at all, and if you do, probably suboptimally. This one is true all over the world. Whether it’s rural France or Japan, good luck spotting many people under 50 years old out and about. We’ve evolved to live in villages and small towns and boil off misfits, troublemakers, and the occasional Bonaparte (but I repeat myself).
Dancin at the sock hop …
Rocket 88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcFIj8OuIEI
Good times.
Great song, jack. One of the candidates for “first rock ‘n roll record”. Though credited to Jackie Brenston it was really Ike Turner’s band. Now remembered mostly as Tina’s abusive spouse, Turner played a role in the early days of rock.
Sarah Hoyt is Off Her Meds Again:
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/03/08/i-dont-want-to-write-this-post/
But that’s a good thing. I suggest we all read what she has to say. She talks about the danger some of us will face from leftist friends and immediate family members when the balloon goes up. Something to think about.
Around 1991, I was a technical architect and was asked by my employer (a large company that you all know who’s name starts with a B) to evaluate allowing corporate access to this new thing called the world wide web. I used Mosaic 1.0 for about an hour before telling my boss (literally) that it would “change the face of Arrakis”.
I had no freaking clue that 30 years later, I would be able to watch a video of pretty girls in colorful dresses set to Boer folk music and yet here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TL0z7SRuNI
@Chases Eagles:
Dunno how much you’re into Boers, but I’m reading this and you may find it interesting:
https://www.amazon.com/Commando-Boer-Journal-War-ebook/dp/B017WD3U4K/
There has always been a bit more to the Afrikaners than just Barnyard Calvinist Know-Nothings, but we’re not supposed to know or care about this. Author Deneys Reitz was far more of a Renaissance Man in Full than most anyone alive today. We’ve all lost a lot.
I once lent this CD of French folk music to a French Canadian co-worker. She had a pretty strong accent. When she gave it back, she said that she and and her French Canadian husband couldn’t understand a lot of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRABDcsSDp4&list=PLgV0AmSL9ozkG7e8tYwCzQIqur3N-L2w2&index=7
@Zaphod
I live behind the “political lines.” When it comes to politics it can get heated sometimes and if it does I walk away.
Mrs jack knows who butters her bread … who has taken care of her day in and day out for 30+ years. It’s not and never has been and never will be the government. That she will readily admit.
Most of my family has been here in Central KY since the area was settled in the early 19th century.
My mom, who is now 90yo, still lives in the house my siblings and I grew up in. Speaking of siblings, I have 2 brothers and four sisters. All of them except one brother lives within 15 miles of me, and I am the one that lives the farthest out. (My sister jokes that she has to get her passport stamped whenever she crosses the county line to come to our house.)
I have one brother who, while in the Navy and stationed in San Diego, married a California girl. They lived there in SD until six years ago. That’s when they decided to abandon the Peoples Republic and move to the little town of Union Nebraska. My SIL didn’t care for the snow at first, but now she says she wouldn’t live anywhere else. (She jokes that there is nothing between them and the North Pole but a couple of barb wire fences.)
When I was very young, back in the 50’s, we lived in the city of Louisville. The neighborhood was really nice back then but unfortunately, as the 50’s progressed into the 60’s, we had to abandon the city because it was no longer a safe place for palefaces to raise kids.
As Zaphod said: “Nothing like having your homely little patch of transplanted Dublin or Naples turn into Mogadishu to give a person itchy feet.”
Yeah, we lived that. When I was ten, I was strong-arm robbed by a gang of black kids right down at the end of our block. I’m pretty sure that was the triggering event that caused my parents to move us out to the suburbs. The irony is that I had a lot of black friends that I really missed after we moved.
@Roy:
Hopefully some enlightened progressive types didn’t mandate bussing the gang that mugged you into your shiny new suburban primary school.
They. Just. Won’t. Leave. Us. Alone. That’s the real problem. Not the Blacks. Blacks are just being who they are. Good ones, Bad ones.. but there was some hope for everybody being able to continue to rub along as long as there still existed the right of free association. Once that went, the rest became inevitable.
There’s at least one Heavily Armed Redneck who is unimpressed by the recent performance put on by Harry and the Half-breed Princess:
https://bigcountryexpatoriginal.blogspot.com/2021/03/thats-dead-bitch-right-there.html
Zaphad,
I watched this on Amazon the other day and the music tickled my interest in folk music:
https://www.amazon.com/Boer-War-1899-1902-Robert-Powell/dp/B07DKXD5V8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=boer+war&qid=1615260130&s=instant-video&sr=1-1
@Chases Eagles:
Ahah!
Have you heard this song (Sarie Marais) before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KHw2GYS6CE
It was the Lili Marlene of the Boer War. The Royal Marine Commandos borrowed it and it’s now their Regimental March:
https://youtu.be/OknHWXqSJiQ?t=184
Then again, ‘Commando’ the word itself was borrowed from the Boers, too.
The Woke will doubtless get this tradition erased soon enough.
Oh… and here’s Dutch Liberace playing it to a bunch of Boers:
(https://www.andrerieu.com/en)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x743-g2athQ
I love Meghan Markle. The royal family, having destroyed Princess Dianna, deserve everything that is coming their way.
Zaphod: “Hopefully some enlightened progressive types didn’t mandate bussing the gang that mugged you into your shiny new suburban primary school.”
Actually, they did.
But not until 1975, and it caused riots in our little suburban corner of the world. However, by the time that happened, I was in the Navy and got to watch the “festivities” on national TV from – no kidding – San Diego California.
Zaphod: “Sarah Hoyt is Off Her Meds Again:
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/03/08/i-dont-want-to-write-this-post/
But that’s a good thing. I suggest we all read what she has to say.”
In the comments, Sarah suggests that we have three or four months to find our bolt hole before things get kinetic.
Probably over HR1, or something like it.
Also, a New Hampshirite posts a letter from his Representative Chris [insert Greek surname here] in reply to his letter complaining about his vote for the Equality Act.
It was pure gas bagging and puffing. Not a lick of intelligence, engagement or self-reflection.
Take a look!
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/03/08/i-dont-want-to-write-this-post/#comment-755587
In comments, there’s also fear by Dems of not getting radical laws passed before Biden must be 25th’ed. Because then President Harris would not be the deciding Senate vote, and the Veep cannot be replaced without the Senate voting.
So, they’re desperate.
CORRECTION: The Representative Chris Pappas letter concerns the radical House passed H.R. 1, the “For the People Act.” Not the Equality Act.
>>OBloodyHell,
You’re right about flying especially as it became available to all those deplorables who are stuck in coach. You pointed out the influence of AC in Florida, but its real ugly effect was to make Washington DC livable in the summer allowing our politicians to continue to meddle in our lives year-round.
DNW wrote: “A couple of the songs by the Mamas and The Papas I best recalled for years, were, “Sunday Will Never be the Same” and “Like to get to Know You”.
Although the sound is similar, I believe these were actually by Spanky and Our Gang. I like them better now than at the time they came out.
Hi Oliver.
You are right of course. I apologize for being so allusive as to be indecipherable; in a failed attempt at irony, when I ended my statement with:
And I agree as to the songs and the astonishing and impressive power of Spanky McFarland’s voice
}}} Quite a funny intro to “Along Comes Mary”.
There’s, I’m pretty sure, at least one higher quality version of that one floating around. I may be wrong, but I recall seeing one at some point.
Roy, Zaphod:
The real fun was when they started busing people around **BOSTON**.
The liberals had a complete hissy fit at the notion of their li’l’uns having to go to school with a Southie.
OBloodyHell:
That’s not what happened in Boston with busing. The liberal communities were not involved, and they certainly weren’t objecting to going to Southie – the liberal communities were white, and Southie was white. The busing involved Southie, the poor white community, and poor black communities like Roxbury. The busing was reciprocal, and neither side was keen on it. I’ve written at length about Boston busing. See this post.