Georgia returns
This is a new thread for the Georgia election results.
But I’m not going to report on them moment by moment. My plan is to do something else for a few hours, and then check back. Too much tension otherwise. I’ve been worried about this night ever since November 3/4, when it became clear that a Georgia runoff would decide the fate of the Senate and that the left was well aware of that fact and determined to win it at any cost.
Looks like two D wins. Will Manchin really go along with all the radical proposals?
My guess is that Trump has riled the Democrats sufficiently with his bizarre shenanigans post-election, and left the Republicans sufficiently dispirited, that it won’t be close. I’d be happy to be wrong.
Off topic but John Hinderaker’s post at Powerline tonight is interesting.
y81:
I disagree entirely.
I have been dreading this day since November 3/4, and Trump’s actions have zero to do with why.
The first reason I’ve been dreading this day is, as I said, the Democrats have an iron resolve to win this, and will employ any method available to them. The Republicans do not have that sort of drive – au contraire. The 2020 election demoralized them, and in particular the actions of Kemp and Raffensperger infuriated them and turned many voters in Georgia and elsewhere off. I’ve seen the latter phenomenon all over the internet for well over a month – people saying they’ve had it with the GOP because of the party’s lack of fight, and especially because of the actions of Kemp and Raffensperger but of others as well.
In addition, neither GOP candidate in Georgia ever inspired much devotion from the rank and file voters, which is what helped to lead to the runoffs in the first place.
I’ve been arguing on this blog against this “A plague on both your houses” attitude on the part of GOP voters for quite some time. I think that attitude is pernicious and will lead this country down a horrible path.
I’ve been arguing on this blog against this “A plague on both your houses” attitude on the part of GOP voters for quite some time.
But is the GOP really opposition in any meaningful sense? I think increasingly more voters have concluded they are not.
Immigration issues in themselves are enough to make the case in my opinion.
“I’ve been arguing on this blog against this “A plague on both your houses” attitude on the part of GOP voters for quite some time. I think that attitude is pernicious and will lead this country down a horrible path.”
On the contrary, it is the perfect and necessary prolog to the much-deserved final death of the lazy RINO party, assuming Trump has the will and the plan to replace it entirely in the next four years with a MAGA party.
A horrible path …? Perhaps delayed until..tomorrow?
I’m in the camp of inevitable kinetic confrontation. I have been since Pierre Delecto’s Treason of 2012 by failing to fight to win and defeat Zero.
It was a good fight by President Trump against defeatist Pubbies. But the Swamp Waters ran too Deep, as you have ascertained, neo.
It was a good run, America.
The Cheney power play
Former Vice President Dick Cheney and House GOP Conference Chair Liz Cheney have pulled a power play against President Trump’s attempt to overthrow the election.
https://www.axios.com/the-cheney-power-play-e7d1837f-ce14-47e7-80be-e85c1ff4e9a3.html
Perdue and Loeffler both leading, with 77% of the vote in. If I go to sleep now, will the fraud kick in as I sleep, as it did in November?
Kate: yes
I was watching Perdue off and on. He went from 1/2 % lead to 2%.
But will that be enough?
Perdue up by 2%, Loeffler by 1.2%.
I’m declaring victory. Hah!
73.4% in and Perdue has a 50K lead. Loeffler’s lead is smaller but there are a handful of very Republican counties (Lumpkin, Floyd, Banks, Coffee and Appling) who have yet to report any votes. They’re small counties, but they should partially offset the lopsidedly Democrat outstanding votes in Fulton and DeKalb.
Assuming no Democrat shenanigans*, Perdue looks like he’s heading to victory, securing the Senate. Loeffler’s contest might go to a recount and God knows what else? Obviously we want both, but we’ll be thrilled with just one. 🙂
*Assuming no Democrat shenanigans. Not an assumption anyone should make.
Here in NY, I have a woke friend from Georgia who hates her “Trump supporting ‘hillbilly’ relatives.” She lectures me, a rape survivor, on what “defund the police means” and that, as the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, I am not to worry, the Holocaust was perpetrated by White Europeans on white Europeans.
Georgia, my guess is you don’t care and you won’t save us, but I am sick and tired of being on the defensive as a “survivor” and I don’t think you’ll like it either.
I have decided I’m pulling for the Dems. Let the socialist take over, crash the system, poo in the fan, Civil War dos, zombie apocalypse, get this sh1t show started.
If it takes much longer my eyes will be too bad to shoot the bastards. But I still have shotguns.
I guess I should have started my Soc Sec at 65.5 .
Obtw neo really appreciated the BeeGees post. Big fun.
I’m following from PJ Media which offers this paragraph which I’m not sure I understand:
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Polls are now closed in Georgia and the ballot count has begun. A recent rule change means election officials were allowed to process mail-in ballots ahead of Election Day, although they were not permitted to count the ballots until the polls closed. Because of the rule change, expect to see a huge influx of votes for the Democrats early on tonight as mail-in ballots are tabulated, while in-person votes, which skew heavily Republican, trickle in later.
https://pjmedia.com/election/pjmedia-2/2021/01/05/live-georgia-election-runoff-results-n1308081
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Is this good news? Does it mean there won’t be a flood of possibly questionable mail-in ballots at 4am to push the Ds over the top?
Henry:
As you know, I disagree. I think that it is playing with fire. Rebuilding the Republican Party (or creating a new party on the right that can win) does not happen by giving the Democrats full power to change the rules so that the right can never win again. And those who contemplate some sort of civil war in which the right triumphs are living in fantasy, IMHO.
Only 37% of Dekalb County (metro Atlanta) reported so far, at 10:20 at night. Are the Dems holding back to release what they need later tonight? I’d say yes.
neo:
I too find myself mystified and uneasy about the enthusiasm of some to get on with CW2. My thought is for Republicans to get serious about electoral reform, as time-consuming and tedious as that will be. I haven’t heard from any takers here.
I believe we are the majority. Democrats have pushed their transformational agenda, with no small amount of cheating, farther than I thought possible. Nonetheless. they’ve gone too far.
I still believe enough in America as a constitutional republic and a people not to concede that Democrats will wrap up the country as PRI owned Mexico for 80 years.
@neo:Rebuilding the Republican Party (or creating a new party on the right that can win) does not happen by giving the Democrats full power to change the rules so that the right can never win again.
The heels and faces who populate Congress don’t fight each other in public because they hate each other.
Government office is about directing the flow of trillions in tax money. Everybody who plays wins. The game is not what it seems to be.
The GOP can be perfectly comfortable in the minority role it once inhabited for 50 years, because those Congressmen get to share in directing that flow, as long as they don’t rock the boat too badly, or break kayfabe.
This view of things may not match reality, but it is behind the “plague on both your houses” sentiment.
George Bernard Shaw saw it years ago:
“…begin our study of Democracy by considering it first as a big balloon, filled with gas or hot air, and sent up so that you shall be kept looking up at the sky whilst other people are picking your pockets. When the balloon comes down to earth every five years or so you are invited to get into the basket if you can throw out one of the people who are sitting tightly in it; but as you can afford neither the time nor the money, and there are forty millions of you and hardly room for six hundred in the basket, the balloon goes up again with much the same lot in it and leaves you where you were before.”
And I might add, Floyd County, which would probably be a Republican County, though tiny compared to Dekalb, has not reported a single vote. Huh? What’s going on out there?
Newmanian:
Holding back on vote reporting from red counties would actually be smart, if it’s being done tactically (I have no idea whether it is). That way it’s more difficult for blue counties to know what number of votes they would need to make up any difference. So if you think fraud is going to be committed, it makes sense to hold back giving them that helpful information.
huxley:
I think to many people on the right, the grinding work of changing things in terms of rules, legal challenges, getting on school boards, etc., isn’t emotionally appealing. Heroic measures, quick and dramatic, seem to appeal more. I have long noticed that the left generally has far more patience than the right, and also that the right’s default position is to hate the RINOs more than they hate the left.
The latter approach reminds me of something that sometimes happens when there’s an abusive parent in a family. Children often react with more anger at the passive and/or ignorant but much more well-meaning parent who failed to protect them and supposedly “let it happen” than at the abusive parent. I have long found the latter reaction to be irrational and yet fairly commonplace.
I have long noticed that the left generally has far more patience than the right, and also that the right’s default position is to hate the RINOs more than they hate the left.
neo:
Well said.
Perdue is now up by 90K with 87% in. I don’t see how he falls behind, even with the outstanding votes in Fulton and DeKalb…unless ballots magically appear in suitcases under tables again. If any kind of shenanigans happen, McConnell and the GOP Senate better refuse to seat either candidate until the matter works it’s way through the courts. Otherwise, the GOP is pretty much finished.
The Rs are currently leading by ~2 and ~3 points with 87% votes counted. I’d be encouraged, but I’m still burned from last time.
I find I can’t muster any hope. I’m just waiting it out.
Neo: regarding the holding back of a Republican county. I did think of that, but I’m not sure of the demographic cut of Floyd County. I’m sure it’s Republican up in that corner of the state, but by how much? How many +R votes will it yield to offset a massive Dem wave sitting in DeKalb? Honestly, I don’t have a good feeling about this. But…we’ll see.
Esther, Does your woke friend know about Hutu vs Tutsi? Or The killing fields of Cambodia? Or the millions dead in the Chinese Great Leap Forward and Cultural revolution?
Well…we have our answer. Floyd County just dumped their vote total in. 70% for Perdue, 69.89% for Loeffler. Will it be enough…?
Newmanian: Thanks!
Where are you monitoring?
I assume that people who advocate for Civil War 2, have not experienced war; and probably know little about Civil War1.
My maternal roots are in Georgia. (Paternal, Iowa). My grandfather was born a few years after the war ended; so he heard first hand from people who lived through Sherman’s devastating march through Georgia. He passed on some of their stories. If anyone reads the history of the Shenandoah Valley campaign, you will want to cry for the small farmers, whose land was fought over, crops destroyed, and animals confiscated–repeatedly. Can anyone who hasn’t been on the ground truly imagine what war is like now? Madness.
RINOS are frustrating. Progressives are dangerous.
On a positive note the results in Georgia are beginning to look favorable. Fingers crossed.
I’m sentimental, if you know what I mean
I love the country but I can’t stand the scene.
And I’m neither left or right I’m just staying home tonight,
getting lost in that hopeless little screen.
But I’m stubborn as those garbage bags
that Time cannot decay,
I’m junk but I’m still holding up
this little wild bouquet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
–Leonard Cohen, “Democracy” (1992)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y
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Cohen wrote this as a reaction to the Berlin Wall falling and the LA Rodney King riots.
I don’t want to think too closely how Cohen would have voted in 2020-21, but I will join him in holding up that “little wild bouquet.”
https://results.decisiondeskhq.com. You can hover over each county to see the percentage of vote in, with the vote disbursement.
“I’ve been worried about this night ever since November 3/4, when it became clear that a Georgia runoff would decide the fate of the Senate and that the left was well aware of that fact and determined to win it at any cost.” neo
I’ve emboldened what I see as the key word in neo’s words.
The Gateway Pundit is reporting that Republican Poll Monitors are being excluded from Georgia’s Fulton County.
“Fulton County Blocks Credentialed Republican Poll Monitors From Overseeing Absentee Ballots and Verifying Signatures Despite Court Order”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/fulton-county-blocks-credentialed-republican-poll-monitors-overseeing-absentee-ballots-verifying-signatures-despite-court-order/
Hey! It ‘worked a treat’ nationally. Why not once again?
Oldflyer: yeah, Iowa!! I want to go back there. Either this year or next.
Ackler, with all those county names, what if we were to have a game involving building sentences out of them? There’s already a Shakespeare contest in one of the other threads.
And it’s over.
neo: When did I say “A plague on both your houses”? But you have gone off the deep end with Trump, ranting about fraud. The plain fact is, not a single Republican in a position of power, i.e., not a single state official with authority over elections, not a single state or federal judge, not the attorney general nor a single U.S. attorney, and apparently not even the vice-president, has endorsed your theories. All Trump has done is convince middle-class suburbanites that he is crazy.
According to 538 there’s a big dump from Dekalb coming down and the Rs are leading by their fingernails.
“I assume that people who advocate for Civil War 2, have not experienced war; and probably know little about Civil War1.”- Oldflyer
I think there is a huge difference between advocating for it, and preparing for it. I absolutely do not want it. But there comes a time when you recognize that our differences will not be solved at a ballot box. And if the Democrats win they will change the rules to make sure the other side has zero say in perpetuity. As they already have complete control of the universities, legacy media and internet media.
In a roughly 50/50 split. If one side has all the say. And is willing to ruthlessly stop everyone else from not only expressing an opinion. But actively seeking to destroy them. You have two choices. Accept it which many seem to be doing
Or fight it. And since the last line of defense in such things as voter fraud, and checking the power of lock downs. Rests with a judiciary that appears to have thrown in the towel. You are left with very, very few choices left.
Newmanian: Thanks for the tip!
Even though DecisionDesk has called it for Warnock, a radical SOB if ever there was.
Vote Dump happened. Its over
I know I for one am shocked by this unforeseen turn of events
Warnock has won. The other guy too probably but not as certain.
y81:
Where did I say that YOU had said “a plague on both your houses”? I was speaking of the people who do say that.
Nor have I “ranted” about election fraud. I merely have continued to say it’s a definite possibility and that there is definitely some evidence of it, but that no court has been willing to hear that evidence and I think that it should been heard although I never expected it to be heard in court. They have found procedural reasons to avoid it.
That’s my position.
Once they have won. We can all expect the flood of
“there was no fraud” to return. And with the power to put a stop to any investigation. And change laws to make it even easier next time around. This kind of thing will happen with increasing frequency
The big vote dump wasn’t that surprising. They said all along they had about that many in Dekalb county. When they released it makes it look worse. The two republicans lost this with lower voter turnout in the red areas. Stupid.
Griffin
Not surprised in the least. But it is amazing to me that “vote dumps” always seem to skew one direction only.
Trump not being on the ballot probably will be the difference for Perdue for sure. Probably not a popular comment but it would have been nice if he had spent less time railing against his election and driving a portion of his voters from the polls.
Perdue up 380 votes at the moment.
So its over. 380 is nothing to overcome in a group of millions
“I’ve been arguing on this blog against this “A plague on both your houses” attitude on the part of GOP voters for quite some time. I think that attitude is pernicious and will lead this country down a horrible path.” neo
We’re being led down another path to the same destination and have been since Reagan. In the past, you’ve argued that by not adopting the attitude of “A plague on both your houses” it allowed us a chance to change the disastrous path America is upon. I found that to be a persuasive, logical argument. Especially when the choice was Trump or Clinton. You also made the case that congressional republicans at times did the right thing, like blocking Obama’s S.C. nomination in his last year.
But McConnell’s signing on to a hundreds of billions giveaway to foreign nations, while stating that $2k is “socialism for the rich” and republican Senators not stringing him up by his balls reveals of just what their actual motivations consist.
I no longer find that argument persuasive because the nature of who counts the votes in elections has irrevocably changed and the GOPe is clearly not willing to fight against it and that makes of the Constitution a dead letter. The democrats have completed the rigging of national and key state elections. Which means the ability to enact electoral reform is GONE.
37 Republican Senators have joined all of the Democrat Senators. No way can reform happen with that level of corruption.
It’s a virtual certainty that the dems have corrupted the counting of votes in every key State and will use that treachery to ensure that they never lose power. They won’t lose the Presidency to a future republican candidate nor to a third party Presidential candidate. And they will do the same with Congress. It simply hasn’t yet been fully extended to the state level but is there any doubt of their intent to do so?
IMO, you’re right about the futility of a third party. The same argument applies to reforming the GOP. It’s not that the corruption can’t be opposed by the majority of voters, it’s that the ‘majority’ of votes will now be whatever the left needs it to be…
There are Trump voters and that is all they care about. If the Republicans were smart they would figure why they are that way and adjust but they never will.
2018 no Trump on ballot bad. 2020 Trump on ballot they gain house seats. No Trump tonight they lose.
Griffen-
Trump is who he is for good and ill. He was always a self promoting jackass. Who had policies I liked
I actually think alot of this has to do with the GOP. They were in such a bums rush to push him out the door. They never bothered to hide their efforts. When they should have smoozed him for a few more months. And tried to get him to campaign on their side.
I realize the establishment hates the man. But the constant backstabbing was way way beyond whats normal.
It is pretty stunning how evenly divided the country is right now. Senate 50/50 House four or five vote difference. I still wonder if someone like Manchin or maybe the Arizona woman is going to go along with ending filibuster, two new states, court packing etc.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/04/husband-of-senator-kelly-loeffler-announces-defiance-of-trump-executive-order-while-president-campaigning-for-wife-in-georgia/
Husband of Senator Kelly Loeffler Announces Defiance of Trump Executive Order While President Campaigning For Wife in Georgia
I know neo talked about conservatives hating RINOs but I think they started it. No one can argue it goes both ways.
neo,
“those who contemplate some sort of civil war in which the right triumphs are living in fantasy, IMHO.”
You may well be right. Not because fighting a civil war is beyond 74 million American’s ability but because talk is cheap and the will to sacrifice for freedom may well be lacking in too many.
If so, say hello to a not so gradual imposition of 1984, given that the left has yuge plans for America. The brutal truth is that we’re sure as hell not going to turn this around working within a dead letter Constitution in which the “rule of law” has become an obscene joke… on us.
Proven by where we are today with an out in the open, incontestably stolen Presidential election.
Conservatives have been fighting this war since before Reagan. We’ve been repeating the same thing over and over for more than half a century, hoping for different results… and its only gotten worse and worse.
So much so that use of the words mother, father, brother and sister are now verbotten in the “People’s House”. The Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves.
Even a mouse in a maze who can smell the cheese doesn’t keep insisting that there’s cheese down only one path because he once found some there.
According to DecisionDesk Perdue is still hanging in with ~1200 point lead.
Hmm.
https://results.decisiondeskhq.com (H/T Newmaniam)
Yep, they’re stealing again. Using EXACTLY the same methods they used against Boss Trump. I hope these RINO cucks like Mcconnell and Romney and RatBurger are happy. This ought to shock them awake…for as long as they hold office.
Maybe now what’s left of the GOP will take election reform seriously. No more allowing corrupt counties to ‘estimate’ what percentage of votes are counted ONLY to fine 150,000 MORE DNC ballots overnight! DeSantis put a stop to those shenanigans in Florida. Maybe we can find a few like him in Georgia, New York, Michigan, PA, Wisconsin? Idk
“If anyone reads the history of the Shenandoah Valley campaign, you will want to cry for the small farmers, whose land was fought over, crops destroyed, and animals confiscated–repeatedly. ” – Oldflyer
Same as every war ever fought, especially thinking of the ones in Europe over which king or religion was to be the dominant tyrant: the partisans fought but the peasants suffered – without gaining anything much from the change of regimes.
“Meet the new king, same as the old king.”
Now the nibbling. Perdue’s lead shrinks to 900.
I think I’ve seen this movie before.
“My thought is for Republicans to get serious about electoral reform, as time-consuming and tedious as that will be. I haven’t heard from any takers here.” – huxley
“I think to many people on the right, the grinding work of changing things in terms of rules, legal challenges, getting on school boards, etc., isn’t emotionally appealing. Heroic measures, quick and dramatic, seem to appeal more. I have long noticed that the left generally has far more patience than the right,” – Neo
I used to agree with this position (and have seen it on a number of blogs), but I read a post today that kind of changed my opinion – not of the necessity of doing what is advised, but of its futility.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/05/why-i-am-joining-the-jan-6-dc-march-for-trump/
The full story of her continued attempts to hold back the Leftist tide at all levels from school districts to Congress is heart-breaking.
Gains made publicly are reversed secretly. Ostensible allies turn out to be in league with the opposition.
“I watched legislators lie to my face about the status of bills and why they wouldn’t vote for them.”
She did the Marches. She home-schooled. She spent years attending every Republican party meeting at every level.
“Off topic but John Hinderaker’s post at Powerline tonight is interesting.” – Griffin
I assume you mean this one:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/01/trump-has-gone-nuts.php
After 2 hours reading the comments, I wondered it there was a term like Twitter has for being “ratioed” on your own Blog Post.
huxley watches movie reruns, and I think “same song, second verse”
https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/01/05/georgia-runoff-election-for-u-s-senate/
Background, hourly results, etc, and then the trademark Dyer tidbit not often mentioned, if at all:
Another data point from Dyer.
I had been watching for Dyer to comment on recent events, but somehow missed her post on Jan 4. By all means read this; it connects most of the dots on the pages.
And I mean ALL the pages, including: the Phone Call; the Fraud lawsuits; the release of new information about Dominion machines*; Executive Order 13848; China’s naval & air bases in Australia & the Bahamas**; Pompeo’s New Year’s Day Tweets; Korea’s Kim skipping his annual New Year address; consulates being closed in Russia***; AND “the yo-yo deployment plans for” the USS Nimitz .****
There is far to much to excerpt meaningfully, although I put some in the footnotes, but the tin-foil-hat brigades will recognize all the main data points.
I only hope she’s correct, and not practicing to become a political thriller writer, although it has seemed for years like we are living through a holodeck enactment of a mash-up of all the books and movies about international covert war-fare ever written.
https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/01/04/trumps-operation-vote-glimmers-of-the-key-supporting-effort-and-the-larger-strategic-context/
Final graf:
(I didn’t know most of this; did any of you know any of this?)
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I told my wife just now that I simply do not recognize this country any longer. When there are a sufficient number of citizens willing to elect a Biden and and a Warnock there is something going on that is beyond my ken.
She says this is still our country. That may be true but I don’t know it.
I don’t care how much someone dislikes Trump. I don’t care if the RINOS don’t fight hard enough. This is a lot deeper. There is a serious sickness abroad.
My primary goal for the remaining years is to stay clear of the fallout. Good luck to you younger folk who have to actually function in the society as it now is.
If I am around in 2022, I will throw a little money into the Congressional races; and if still here in 2024, and sentient (problematic) I will enthusiastically support Ron DeSantis if he runs. Other than that about all I can do is continue to pray that God will be merciful to the United States of America; because the country is in dire need.
Who in their right mind votes for Warnock …
I referenced this article in my comment on J. E. Dyer’s post, but here’s a link and excerpt specifically about the Dominion machines used in Georgia.
Note particularly WHEN all this information was available to the bad-hats, and that Dyer comments on WHY it’s being posted again this week.
https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2021/01/03/gas-sos-raffensperger-gave-hackers-roadmap-to-infiltrate-machines-a-year-before-election/
*All you tech nerds KNOW that this is true; most users are total idiots about security (using “password” for your password, for instance), and bad-hats deliberately disable the protections (political campaigns that don’t verify credit card owner information and nationality, for instance).
There’s a lot of tech stuff and details, but this is what you really want to read:
**I’m sure most of you realize the implications of that for the vaunted “hand recounts” of selected (by Raffensperger) counties.
These allegations need to be tested and proven, of course, which is all the Trump Team has been asking for, and hopefully what the Senators objecting to certifications on Wednesday will ask for.
The idea that Trump’s lawyers could gather all the evidence needed for fraud of this magnitude between Nov 3 and Jan 6 was always a higher hurdle than could ever be managed.
Massive commercial and criminal cases take YEARS if not decades of discovery and analysis before they are even ready to put in front of a judge for final assessment.
Oldflyer,
“When there are a sufficient number of citizens willing to elect a Biden and and a Warnock there is something going on that is beyond my ken.”
There’s certainly something rotten going on. But it is not that “there are a sufficient number of citizens willing to elect a Biden and a Warnock”.
Biden and Warnock did not win their elections.
The traitors working for and with them stole those elections and did so by manufacturing votes out of thin air and switching republican votes to democrat votes.
It is by far the greatest fraud ever perpetrated upon a formerly free people. It’s a coup that has non-violently seized power. One that will become violent because totalitarians always resort to force when they meet resistance.
The GOP narratives are not appealing to anyone who isn’t an devout Christians, which are getting fewer and fewer in number each day. McCornell’s refusal to send the $2000 check based on fiscal responsibility reasons is not going to please the struggling people who are having a hard time making ends meet especially when they see how billions were sent the big corporations way to bail them out or to foreign countries for whatever bs diplomatic reasons. For example Unless you are Christians conservatives’ stance on abortion is completely unappealing, having more choices to choose what to do with an unexpected pregnancy of course is better than fewer choices. Having jobs back is one of the most attractive agenda the right can offer but somehow the rinos refuse to run with it and is hostile to anyone on this side who supports this agenda because it violates the interests of gops biggest donors. GOP can never win if they continue to prioritise the interest of their honour over their constituents, you can’t expect people to turnout for you if you don’t throw us some bones from time to time…
A-Ha! A November election night re-run, replete with mysterious vote counting stoppage and by one count, an 83,000 over vote.
Yawn. Q’uelle surprise. (Sp?)
Oldflyer: “Can anyone who hasn’t been on the ground truly imagine what war is like now? Madness. RINOS are frustrating. Progressives are dangerous.”
Or are RINOs dangerous (destroying unity) Traitors, and Progs, just frustrating evil-tards?
Mythx notes that as events towards tyranny accelerate, options narrow. Precisely, lads.
And to Oldflyer and neo, this is why the kinetic option is clarifying and honest and honorable, no matter how terrible.
What is new and 21st Century is the Infospace power of dysinformation. And this adds fog and sand in our face to the conflict, like this special runoff that’s a failure again.
As in everything else, the far Left and the Deep State agents of the Ruling Class are at huge advantage in this game, having practiced this for decades (unlike us).
And they have played it out to the full in the redux, as expected.
That’s why the 50% power of CW2 is the ultimate lever: LETS GET IT ON, baby!
We are more than you, and better on our field of play than you Evil Hating Huckster, Hoaxers, Electioneering Theives and pol suckups in your Machine owned sandpits. So, LET’S RUMBLE!
Since these are the New Rules, LETS SEE HOW YOU LIKE THE NEW RULES!
Because, as in CW1, Democracy denying “Democrats” MUST BE BROUGHT TO ACCOUNT.
Or else we repeat the same delusions that they will play fair, if given a next chance. They won’t. EVAH!
Getting past that dull and delirious delusion means blood shed.
Let’s play.
“When there are a sufficient number of citizens willing to elect a Biden and and a Warnock there is something going on that is beyond my ken.” – Oldflyer
Geoffrey already noted that they probably were not elected.
However, I think it also the case that the public has always elected despicable candidates, they just didn’t know they were doing so, because the defects were never made known to them.
I know I ought not be surprised. (see my previous post.) But this tidbit of the moment I haven’t seen posted elsewhere in the six hours since I last checked our usual sources: shredded ballots, pallets of new ballots, and foreign (Chinese?) sources for them in Fulton, Co?
Somehow, Lt Gen. Mike Flynn’s insane and over the top idea of having Nat Guard/US military re-run elections in six or seven states looks wise beyond my naïveté.
Excerpt from Joanne Nova in Australia:
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/01/counterfeit-us-ballots-found-in-georgia-along-with-chinese-shipping-receipt/
How utterly Bizarre.
This is important because Sundance explains the otherwise inexplicable lack of support for Trump from some of the people conservatives thought were allies.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/05/senator-tim-scott-announces-he-will-not-support-any-electoral-certification-challenges/
Then he details HOW the pandemics, lockdowns, etc are benefitting these attendees.
It’s very complex, but not unusual in huge business enterprises.
Trump is a huge businessman.
It worked so well before, why not do it all again?
And even if some of the “glitches” are genuine, why would anyone believe it?
https://nationalfile.com/rerun-georgia-locks-poll-watchers-out-said-dominion-machines-broke-gave-dems-extra-3-hours-wont-have-results-for-2-3-days/
Because, of course they are.
https://nationalfile.com/apple-maps-blocking-travel-directions-to-washington-dc-day-before-pro-trump-protests/
“However, National File was able to confirm that there were no active road closures in Washington DC, with multiple phones not showing any closures.”
And curiously, once people started comparing notes, just like that:
“UPDATE: Apple Maps has reversed their decision. Directions to Washington DC are now available again. It is unclear exactly when this reversal took place.”
Be watching for this to happen or not:
https://nationalfile.com/backroom-deal-pence-mccarthy-pelosi-mcconnell-plan-to-end-january-6-challenge-after-2-hour-debate-sources/
I don’t know anything about National File, and don’t remember now what led me there , but they’ve run a lot of interesting stories today.
ICYMI, Navarro’s Report part II, and further down part I, downloadable PDFs.
I – The Immaculate Deception
II- The Art of the Steal
https://navarroreport.com/
Well folks its been fun. Some minor predictions
By April suddenly COVID will be but a footnote. Oh the lock downs will continue “as needed”. But for the press the endless counting will be no longer be a goal. The numbers will suddenly skew much more positive.
By October we will begin hearing of Biden’s deteriorating condition. Slowly building to President Harris.
Welcome to 23:30 in the Republic folks.
A small footnote. Anyone thinking that Joe Manchin or a court of the Supreme will show an ounce of spine now. Is holding the whole sheep to ones face.
The looting can now continue apace
AesopFan, amazing stuff. A full time job to follow along? And evaluate
Meanwhile, contradictions intensify.
“It worked so well before, why not do it all again?” – me
I wondered about the jaw-dropping gall of running the same plays that have already been exposed (at least to those willing to look), rather than laying low and hoping the Democrats would win honestly, but concluded that it is a no-lose situation for them:
if the fraud isn’t successfully challenged, then they win outright;
if it is & the results are reversed, then they just end up back where they would have been if they had held off the heist and the Republicans had won honestly.
Wouldn’t it be funny if they didn’t do anything wrong this time (I know, I know), and they really did win, but they get challenged and reversed on the strength of “this many similarities to suspicious actions in the first election can’t possibly be just a coincidence.”
MY BAD: the Chinese counterfeit ballots and shredding story and compiled details story is NOT about the Georgia runoff, but the November 3rd election. And thus, JoNova’s post on it targets ADDITIONAL “power of the fraud” — international election interference— to amp the story to come out from Congress, yet to unfold, on January 6th.
SORRY.
“By April suddenly COVID will be but a footnote” – Mythx
It’s already started.
https://nationalfile.com/what-new-study-of-10-million-chinese-finds-asymptomatic-covid-spread-never-existed/
Bonus news to schmooze:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/01/05/terrifying-report-u-s-funded-specific-research-at-wuhan-lab-that-led-to-coronavirus-n1306170
We’ve seen that speculated about / reported on early last year, but now TPTB have decided it’s real. Kind of like the admission by NY Mag that the virus did in fact come from the lab not the market.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/05/corrupt-corporate-media-finally-admits-coronavirus-probably-came-from-a-communist-chinese-lab/
And I’m sure this will come as a shocking surprise.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-exclusive-evidence-china-colluding-bidens-providing-information-defeat-president-trump-2020-election/
For those of you who appreciate Karma, I’ll link it twice:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/watch-romney-boards-flight-dc-filled-patriots-chanted-traitor-grilled-ties-biden/
https://nationalfile.com/video-patriots-confront-mitt-romney-on-flight-to-d-c-with-chants-of-traitor-traitor-traitor/
Here’s some I missed earlier.
From December – sad.
https://nationalfile.com/new-footage-michigan-lawmaker-who-threatened-trumpers-was-heckled-mocked-for-incompetence-during-fraud-hearing-meltdown/
From yesterday.
It’s not illegal to pander for votes, or no politician would escape jail, nor to help people vote, but there were some illegal things done by the organizers, and the connections of this group look bad.
https://nationalfile.com/caught-on-tape-brad-raffensperger-begged-for-illegal-chinese-votes/
“if the fraud isn’t successfully challenged, then they win outright;” -AesopFan
Where can you challenge this? I see not a single avenue in which you can.
The legislative branch allowed it to begin with. The judicial refuses to hear it. And if the executive acts this will be all the proof they need that Trump is a dictator.
Its been setup both obviously and brilliantly.
Important updates on the Georgia post – despite the media, the election isn’t over until Chatham county completes their counting tomorrow:
https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/01/05/georgia-runoff-election-for-u-s-senate/
#Pennsylvania legislature is overriding the Secretary of State!
Election votes should NOT have been certified. #ITALYDIDIT pic.twitter.com/nOQRQM6FvH
— Rob & Flat _ (@robandflat) January 6, 2021
Another thing about Dyer’s long analytical post on “key supporting efforts”:
hipwrecked Crew also speculated that Trump’s call to Raffensperger was just like a standard FBI trap, to see if he would lie about something they already had the goods on, or take the opportunity to get right with the Boss.
We know which way he jumped.
“hipwrecked Crew” -AesopFan
You are clearly biased against those that are time challenged and bipedally enabled LOL
I love it when I cut off a letter
That Georgia post by Dyer got cut off.
The vote count map from DDHQ isn’t showing Chatham county as incomplete, and numbers don’t match Dyer’s pix.
https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/
Regardless, the totals now are about as thin as a razor can get, but the media called it for the Democrats anyway.
Because, of course they did.
https://www.savannahnow.com/story/news/2021/01/06/georgia-senate-race-jon-ossoff-surges-ahead-david-perdue-runoff/6560326002/
3:12 am ET
Chatham is the county that had some precincts given extended hours for equipment malfunctions earlier.
https://www.savannahnow.com/story/news/2021/01/05/georgia-senate-runoff-polling-hours-extended-2-chatham-polls/6556435002/
AesopFan: well, they have nearly ALL mass media to coverup or divert for them. Who’s going to call out the (Nazi’s) Big Lies? If repeated often enough, it becomes the Truth! Right?
Trump used to have a megaphone hold via his Tweets. We imagined that this newsmaker extraordinary could go alternative and drag the Lying, Evil Cabal along with him, if only just to cover him.
But as the Hunter Biden laptop story covered up IRL shows…nope. Yet another false hope defeated by the Ministry of Disinformation and American Propaganda.
I’m in New Zealand at the moment. Few here have any clue about this censorship and tyranny of the mind in the US. (There are very few Yanks in Auckland, where I am.)
Exceptions? I was with a group of East Indians and East Asians (two…Chinese from SE Asia?), and one very Aussie-philic German. Discussing Trump. I was asked to hold forth after they had gone round and round.
The German had much of the anti-Trump animus…., ie, he’s too simple minded, too risky… too whatever.
The E Indians saw that Trump was opposed to China and benefited the Middle Class, as I noted.
What surprised me is a Chinese woman (from SE Asia?)! She knew about the fraud election and how it was carried out as well as anyone here!
I’m guessing that she’s learned from some alt media source(s) we’d likely know, if not follow. Or maybe Australia’s Sky News, which is as Patriotic as FNC used to be.
Off topic but John Hinderaker’s post at Powerline tonight is interesting.
Hinderaker, like Jonathan Turley, is a lawyer who tends to look at Trump as a difficult client.
Here in NY, I have a woke friend from Georgia who hates her “Trump supporting ‘hillbilly’ relatives.” She lectures me, a rape survivor, on what “defund the police means” and that, as the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, I am not to worry, the Holocaust was perpetrated by White Europeans on white Europeans.
Unless her family’s from a narrow band of counties on the northern border of the state, she ain’t got any hillbilly relatives. While we’re at it, Deliverance was filmed in Rabun County, Ga making use of local residents for small parts. Personal income per capita in Rabun County compares favorably to that of Britain and France. Imagine some equivalent of All Creatures Great and Small set in a place like Rabun County. You should be able to find four veterinarians in Rabun and Towns Counties. You’ll never see that on PBS.
I take it she doesn’t know what you think because you won’t tell her. Go ahead and tell her and see what happens. Banks gotta write-down those delinquent loans eventually, and you’ve got an analogous problem. (It’s more challenging when it’s family. I just cut my brother off when he starts talking).
On hillbillies. There are two homicides and one act of forcible sodomy depicted in Deliverance. There were 3 homicides and 4 instances of forcible rape recorded in Rabun and Towns Counties during the period running from the beginning of 2011 to the end of 2016, for a mean annual rate of 1.7 and 2.4 per 100,000 respectively. No data on the frequency of forcible male-on-male sodomy in those counties, but I’m betting there hasn’t been a case recorded in a generation. (The homicide rate in Yorkshire’s about 1.11 per 100,000; before the post-2012 explosion of cases, the frequency of forcible rape in England and Wales was about 28 per 100,000)
All eyes turn to Joe Manchin. The Republicans need to entice him to cross the aisle by offering him chairmanship of the committee that covers energy issues. West Virginia is an energy state with the coal and natural gas industries.
Was I wrong? We’re the shredding ballots and Chinese printed ballots about Fulton, Co is THIS runoff Senate election? Geez? This link says the JoNova post far above was indeed about this.
https://welovetrump.com/2021/01/04/chinese-ballots-chinese-shipping-receipt-found-in-georgia-among-hundreds-of-thousands-of-shredded-ballots/
I’ll make no further (misleading? wrong?) claims, but the Tweet dates are Jan 5.
My head hurts over this one.
We’re effed.
AesopFan,
Thank you for doing all that work! I had heard from friends on route to DC about the maps issue. I volunteered to work for one guy so he could go down there. He has no kids.
Should you ever decide to create an Instapundit competitor, I will gladly ditch Reynolds’ crew. He’s not bad, though he sure did roll over for the shutdowns and the election fraud in a way I didn’t expect. Except for Sarah Hoyt, the rest of his co-bloggers seem to be stealth NeverTrumpers and spineless.
And thanks to Geoffrey Britain. He put it better than I could have.
It’s not that we *want* a Civil War. It’s that the cheaters have made it inevitable. It’s coming, whether we want it or not. Maybe this year, maybe 4 years from now. War is coming. Few regulars on this blog are historically illiterate and nearly all can see the signs, even if they want to rationalize them away for fear of how horrific the war will be, or how much the treasured the old system which just suffered its mortal wounds and is bleeding out. It will be horrific, there is no doubt. I just can’t see TPTB allowing the USA to have a somewhat peaceful revolution/breakup like the Soviet Union’s. I don’t think that’s in the cards: too many fingers in the USA pie, too many gravy trains are going to get derailed.
But nothing good comes from prolonging it all, once it is certain. I’d rather fight it now, rather than have my children fight it in 5-10 years.
We can’t continue to play by the rules, while the other side not only cheats but is light yers ahead of us in the mechanisms they use to cheat. It’s time to stop playing their game with rigged rules and flip the table on them, while they’re still unprepared and don’t really expect it.
I may be too depressed to even open my computer for a few days.
How hurtful was the loss of the Drudge Report? Drudge was far more powerful in reigning in the lefty media than I ever realized.
I agree 100%. oldflyer wrote:
“I told my wife just now that I simply do not recognize this country any longer. When there are a sufficient number of citizens willing to elect a Biden and and a Warnock there is something going on that is beyond my ken.
“She says this is still our country. That may be true but I don’t know it.
“I don’t care how much someone dislikes Trump. I don’t care if the RINOS don’t fight hard enough. This is a lot deeper. There is a serious sickness abroad.
“My primary goal for the remaining years is to stay clear of the fallout. Good luck to you younger folk who have to actually function in the society as it now is.
“If I am around in 2022, I will throw a little money into the Congressional races; and if still here in 2024, and sentient (problematic) I will enthusiastically support Ron DeSantis if he runs. Other than that about all I can do is continue to pray that God will be merciful to the United States of America; because the country is in dire need.”
Dave: “The GOP narratives are not appealing to anyone who isn’t an devout Christians … For example Unless you are Christians conservatives’ stance on abortion is completely unappealing, having more choices to choose what to do with an unexpected pregnancy of course is better than fewer choices”
Then what’s the real difference between the Dems and GOP if not economics if you concede social issues? Abortion is just one option for an unexpected pregnancy. The other is adoption or raising the kid, both of which social conservatives say are the better options when compared to termination. So in reality there is one less option.
The GOP has been losing social issues for quite some time though despite that they have been wining on local and state levels (Georgia federal level not withstanding). Even if they totally concede on abortion I highly doubt that’ll swing voters who would vote for the Dems in any other election to vote red. I would bet there is a decent percent of those who have voted red in the past who do not identity as devout Christians.
PT News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_QatUHUgU
WaPo reports that the far left DC Mayors request for National Guard troops to quell the disturbing protests in the Capitol City is denied by the DoD.
So relates PT News.
Daily Beast instead says there is no response yet from the DoD on this request. (Same source.)
PT News agrees, the “Trump” cap chamber takeover man with raised fist in the President of the Senate’s chair looks like Antifa — not at all like a Trump/Patriot type.
Then, there is CNN (via FreeRepublic):
White House: Trump has directed National Guard and other “federal protective services” to respond to riot
1/7/2021, 9:54:56 AM · by Red Badger · 38 replies
CNN ^ | January 6, 2021 | Maureen Chowdhury and Ryan Nobles
White House Press Secretary tweeted that President Trump has directed the National Guard and other “federal protective services” to assist with responding to the rioters at the US Capitol. “We reiterate President Trump’s call against violence and to remain peaceful,” she tweeted. At President @realDonaldTrump’s direction, the National Guard is on the way along with other federal protective services. We reiterate President Trump’s call against violence and to remain peaceful. — Kayleigh McEnany (@PressSec) January 6, 2021 Virginia is sending 200 state troopers and mobilizing a unit of the Guard to quell the situation at the US Capitol, according to.
So it begins – have only read a few Washington Examiner reports, all of which say the rioters are Trump supporters; will withhold opinion on that per TJ’s suggestion that we may have some “false flag” actors.
I wish the riots would have held off to see if the Senators could push on with their debating, or if the Chair would cut them off (per speculations last night). However, there was general consensus that even if they held every debate the challenges would not avail anything positive (I think any kind of airing evidence would be positive).
I’m guessing none of that will proceed now.
Lots of caterwauling about indecorous and traitorous conservatives peeved about “false claims” of a “stolen” election.
What did they think would happen?
Ray Charles “Georgia on my Mind” live 1960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DFhuE_XeT8
Artfldgr:
Also this and this.
The topic is GEORGIA SENATE ELECTION RETURNS:
Is this not evidence of likely fraud at 11:12? A sudden huge swing to the ads on offer, overcoming the Rs, just as seen in the contested states in the November 3rd presidential contest?
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad37d052b080e7d3c53b3bdd1956da28dbb004df37738c8d49e30623f0887cdb.jpg
Yes it is. The same steal is in.
Instapundit’s Glenn Reynolds: “With 40% of the country thinking the election was stolen, this [a riot at the Capitol] was to be expected — especially after the unified voice of the media saying for years that if you feel disenfranchised it’s okay to riot. Our ruling class, and particularly our media, have been playing with fire for years and I hope that this will be enough to shock them into more sensible behavior. But so far they’ve not lived up to my hopes.”
No, they won’t. We need CW2!
This was one of the most curious posts I’ve read at PowerLine.
Cleta Mitchell is one of their best friends and often praised for her legal acumen; she believes enough to sit in and try to manage Trump’s suit against Georgia; she’s being cancelled from her law firm because of it; and yet her friends don’t believe there is any merit to any of Trump’s “baseless” claims of election fraud.
What’s wrong with this picture?
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/01/the-left-claims-another-victim.php
I’ve erased all of my tabs with election fraud stories, since they matter about as much now as the conclusions of the Warren Commission, but just a couple of parting shots.
The COVID articles are because that was the weapon that finally took Trump down, and the Democrats had to destroy the country to do it.
https://notthebee.com/article/biden-just-told-voters-theyll-get-2000-if-dems-win-in-georgia-in-other-news-its-against-federal-law-to-offer-money-for-votes
https://notthebee.com/article/guess-how-much-of-that-government-covid-helicopter-money-has-been-lost-to-fraud-so-far-36-billion
More than the total spent on welfare in 2019.
https://notthebee.com/article/heritage-foundation-creates-interactive-map-for-those-who-literally-want-to-follow-lib-hypocrisy
(it’s interesting to see where there they aren’t located)
https://notthebee.com/article/because-2020-just-wont-let-go-la-county-now-choosing-who-will-receive-oxygen-and-hospital-care-and-who-will-be-left-to-die
Taking triage to new levels.
https://notthebee.com/article/surprise-surprise-some-governments-are-already-using-covid-19-contact-tracing-data-to-track-people-for-other-things-like-in-criminal-investigations
Singapore lied.
Kind of like they thought they were American officials.