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Shutting the door on voting fraud investigations

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From Sarah Hoyt, on the failure of the courts to hear any evidence in the election fraud cases:

You know what could have fixed it? The courts taking the cases and allowing for an examination of the evidence. The fact that cases keep getting dismissed on “standing” issues, and/or delayed indefinitely, and that social media has banned any mention of fraud? It only makes absolutely sure we have no doubts at all that there was massive fraud. Because no honest system would behave the way the left and its surrogates are behaving. Every time they ban mention of something? It’s because it’s a truth they’re trying to hide.

And yet it has worked quite well for them in the past, hasn’t it?

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Shutting the door on voting fraud investigations — 52 Comments

  1. I would urge everyone to read the article posted at AmericanThinker by Andrea Widburg on the pamphlet just published by Peter Navarro entitled The Immaculate Deception and devoted to the six varieties of fraud perpetrated during last month’s election; it is without question a very compelling fact-based argument for concluding that the election was neither free nor fair, and that it was orchestrated to defeat Trump. Despite the endlessly-repeated lie from the MSM concerning “baseless claims of fraud”, the evidence for what Navarro claims is overwhelming and perhaps irrefutable, should any court in the land have the courage to examine the actual evidence.

  2. Thank you j. e.

    Joe and Kamala will never be called P or VP from my lips. They are illegitimate.

    I have been listening to Priests and reading about the power of the Rosary and the lyrics of ‘Let It Be’. The message from the priests is that the time of evil ebbs and flows. Not to be hyperbolic, this is a time when the bullies appear to win. It is a time when decent, smart people have gone nuts and believe the lies and insults that they receive from the Democrat Left. The Hilary’s, Obama’s, Tech people, Democrat elected people, and Corporate fools have coward people in the name of Covid. I see what has happened, yet half the country has not.
    Is this what happens when people are weak minded and apologetic for their existence? When they believe that Trump is the totalitarian and the Democrat platform is not? They never read the platform and they believe the propaganda.
    We are Cassandra and I pray.

  3. “It is a time when decent, smart people have gone nuts and believe the lies and insults that they receive from the Democrat Left. The Hilary’s, Obama’s, Tech people, Democrat elected people, and Corporate fools have coward people in the name of Covid. I see what has happened, yet half the country has not.”

    Earlier this year, thanks mainly to the unfortunate arrival of the virus and the ensuing public mass hysteria, we saw the explosion of what had been restricted to just the college campuses into the whole general culture of the country. As it continued through the summer, I truly knew that we were royally screwed. I’ve resigned myself to that fact, and try very hard to not let it get to me. Otherwise, I can see that leading to nothing but depression and anxiety. I know it’s an ostrich move, but my physical and mental health are on the line.

  4. Why do Democrats always act like they’re guilty of something?

    Why kick poll watchers out, why cover up the windows if nothing nefarious is going on?

    Brings to mind President Obama’s birth certificate. The certificate of live birth that he finally released was obviously doctored. If you took the image and enlarged to the pixel level you could see editing. I always suspected it was because it showed that Frank Davis was his father.

  7. The few state hearings were just a taste of what a court would get. Some power behind information requests would bring out more.
    Dominion in my view needs to be taken down totally, he algorithm used in Michigan was used in Pa and Arizona.
    The Democrat’s DOJ will never look into it

  9. State with Republican legislatures need to begin immediately working to outlaw electronic voting devices and software. Paper ballots, totally auditable, and optical scans, in which the voter feeds the ballot in for tabulation, work well.

  10. It is very, very peculiar that courts will not engage with the evidence. I think, across the country, that the summer of riots has instilled fear.

  11. J.J. @ 5:30 pm

    Very unlikely that’s Ann Dunham.
    Case in point. Exotique was published from 1955-59, which would make Dunham 13 to 17 since she was born in 1942. But her family didn’t move to Hawaii until 1960.
    Bizarre Life was reportedly published in the late 60’s, while Secret Pleasures and Battling Babes are so obscure there is nothing about them on the interweb.

    I suppose the pictures are unrelated to any of the magazines shown in the video (just added for flavor), but if you look at the closely at a picture of Ann Dunham and the person in the video, they really don’t look the same. Look at the chin.

  12. They’ve gotten away with everything since the Republicans capitulated in 1876 to get the presidency.

    That ******* Paul Ryan deserves a warm spot in hell. Two years of a “Republican” Congress, Senate, and White House, and that self-centered ******* was to consumed with his “never Trump” bs.

    It totally escapes me as to why fraudulent votes are more important than my vote.

    BTW, Neo, I just watched a film about Georgian dancing: “And We Danced.”

  14. I too wish the Roberts Court Decision was a bit more than a “shut up and go to your room” pronouncement.
    https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/12/17/no-justice-roberts-wasnt-screaming-at-the-other-justices-about-bush-v-gore-and-riots/#comment-2531641
    Chases Eagles on December 18, 2020 at 3:51 pm said:
    Best quote so far from Barnes Law:
    “Not ripe in spring, no standing by summer, laches by fall, and moot by winter.“
    * * *
    And yet, Andy McCarthy points out that, in at least one of the dismissals, the plaintiffs (Republicans) stipulated that the facts didn’t show any fraud; at least, if I read him correctly, that seems to be what he is saying.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/a-stunning-passage-from-the-latest-court-rejection-of-team-trump/

    The most telling aspect of the Wisconsin federal district court’s rejection of another Trump campaign lawsuit on Saturday is so obvious it is easy to miss. And no, it is not that the rejecting was done by a Trump-appointed judge, Brett H. Ludwig, or that it was done on the merits.

    After all that’s been said over the last six weeks, this fleeting passage near the start of the court’s workmanlike, 23-page decision and order should take our breath away (my highlighting):

    With the Electoral College meeting just days away, the Court declined to address the issues in piecemeal fashion and instead provided plaintiff with an expedited hearing on the merits of his claims. On the morning of the hearing, the parties reached agreement on a stipulated set of facts and then presented arguments to the Court.

    A “stipulated set of facts,” in this context, is an agreement between the lawyers for the adversary parties about what testimony witnesses would give, and/or what facts would be established, if the parties went through the process of calling witnesses and offering tangible evidence at a hearing or trial.

    In a real controversy, in which one or both of the parties are making hotly disputed factual claims, there are few if any stipulations.
    …
    Judge Ludwig denied the state’s claims that the campaign lacked standing. Instead, he gave the campaign the hearing they asked for — the opportunity to call witnesses and submit damning exhibits. Yet, when it got down to brass tacks, the morning of the hearing, it turned out there was no actual disagreement between the Trump team and Wisconsin officials about the pertinent facts of the case. The president’s counsel basically said: Never mind, we don’t need to present all our proof . . . we’ll just stipulate to all the relevant facts and argue legal principles.

    In the end, after all the heated rhetoric, what did they tell the court the case was really about? Just three differences over the manner in which the election was administered — to all of which, as Ludwig pointed out, the campaign could have objected before the election if these matters had actually been of great moment.

    There was no there there. Despite telling the country for weeks that this was the most rigged election in history, the campaign didn’t think it was worth calling a single witness. Despite having the opportunity of a hearing before a Trump appointee who was willing to give the campaign ample opportunity to prove its case, the campaign said, “Never mind.”

    I don’t remember any details — there are so many cases, and accusations outside of the cases, and news reports about the accusations and the cases —
    but I generally trust McCarthy to report fairly, even if I don’t always agree with his subsequent positions (and he did eat crow when it turned out his straight-arrow friends Comey and Mueller were just as bent as the rest of the Russiagate/Crossfire coup crew).

    So, if Navarro is correct (and there seems to be an awful lot of there there), what can we make of the court rulings?

    I think one important caveat is to keep differentiating the cases and courts, and not lump them as an aggregate. That is DeMedia’s tactic: take one case like this in Wisconsin and cry “Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus” — although they never seem to apply that to their own claims.

    This is not going to be over by January 6.

  15. JJ @ 5:30 – I saw those photos in 2008 in what I believe was Little Green Footballs or a site referenced in it. I do not believe that it is Ann Dunham because Dunham always had her hair shoulder length or longer. That was the consensus at that time also. The facial resemblance is striking though. I am agnostic on this and Barack’s paternity. I note this Treehouse post is from 2012.

    I believe that Sundance has fallen in a conspiracy rut right now because of the fraud of this election. It is easy to believe as he was kicked off his former website. He is totally frustrated about the slow pace of investigations because his work shows that the evidence points to criminal activity. He was able to peel through the layers of data and prove it. He gave it to the Durham team and ….nothing. The Clinesmith guilty plea was a sop to him to hopefully not publish the lead investigators name, William Aldenrich. He was hopeful about Barr but turned against him because he believes Barr doesn’t want to get to the truth but protect the institution called the DOJ.

    His analysis of Congressional actions and forecast of what was going to happen is spot on. He knows how congress works and forecasted that Pelosi was aiming for an impeachment. His analysis of the operating rules of each congress proved it. I look forward to what his analysis says this time.

    He is providing a valuable service by issuing a call to arms and also offering hope to all. His exhortation “to live our best life now” is uplifting. I have posted several time to act in “cold anger”. HIs essay on that drives me. It is how I feel.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/27/kavanaugh-cold-anger-and-the-reckoning/

    I don’t post there often as many many many of the posts are people blowing off steam. But from there I found this place and from this place to Frei and Barnes. The internet can be a wonderful thing.

  16. More from McCarthy, who hasn’t been cited as much recently on this salon as in the past. However, if he was credible when paddling in the same canoe as the rest of us, then we shouldn’t throw him overboard when he thinks we’re running on the rocks.

    Doesn’t mean he is necessarily correct, but he deserves an honest hearing.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2020/12/31/the-courts-hold-the-line/
    “And stay out of the post-election political fray”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/time-to-step-back-from-the-brink/
    “Did the GOP attorneys general who backed Texas’s failed election lawsuit understand the dangerous implications of their argument?”

    And after hearing him, I certainly respect his legal acumen and personal integrity, but his analysis shows that he is clearly still coloring inside the DC lines.

    His posts are focused solely (it seems to me) on the disjunct between the extravagant public claims made by Trump & his “team” (formal and informal) compared to the claims made in court filings, and then explains how even those reduced claims are either dropped or dismissed as not credible.

    But he doesn’t mention most of the “unofficial filings” we read on the internet, such as Navarro’s claims and those of many others.
    We can legitimately ask why the Trump lawyers don’t include or address them (turf battles – “not invented in my law office” – may play a part).
    They don’t disappear because no court has yet adjudicated or officially dismissed them.

    That’s why the public is still suspicious, despite the many cases lost in court.

    “Why do Democrats always act like they’re guilty of something?” – Brian E.

    Because the experiences of the last 4, 8, 16, 32, 64… years has proven that they usually are.

  17. Remember that Rathergate was never brought to court; Dan Rather was shown by credible evidence and analysis to have been shopping fake documents to the public to derail Bush’s election; and the Democrats have never admitted they lost that battle.
    They just keep fighting the war as if it had never existed.
    NOTE: this is not the Bee!

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dan-rather-gets-journalism-awards

    No one does more harm to journalism than people in journalism.

    The Moody College of Communication at the University of Texas at Austin unveiled this week two awards honoring disgraced former CBS News anchor Dan Rather.

    “The Dan Rather Medals for News and Guts honor the process of journalism as much as the end product,” the organization announced Wednesday. “They will be awarded to professional and collegiate journalists who go the extra yard — overcoming obstacles like stonewalling and harassment — to get the story that tells truth to power.”

    A spokesperson for the Moody College of Communication confirmed in a response to the Washington Examiner that the awards are, in fact, real and that they are not part of an elaborate joke.
    …
    Adding insult to injury, the school then quotes Rather himself, who once said, “News organizations and teams within those organizations have to have the guts and the backbone to dig into stories that people in power don’t want the public to know.”

    Absent from the college’s announcement is any mention of why Rather has not anchored a serious news desk since 2004. For those who don’t remember, Rather alleged falsely during the 2004 U.S. presidential election that then-President George W. Bush had gone “AWOL” for much of his tenure in the National Guard. Rather’s supposed “bombshell” story, for which he lost his job at CBS, was based entirely on forged documents.

    Look, this isn’t to keep harping on the disgraced newsman and his attempt 16 years ago to influence a presidential election with honest-to-God fake news. Rather (ha!), this is to underscore a deeper rot in the news industry and its feeder schools. Rather’s steady rehabilitation despite his lack of remorse for what he did during the 2004 presidential election is indicative of a much deeper problem in media. It is just another data point showing the press’s standards, or whatever we’re calling them these days, depend mostly on the person to whom they are being applied.

    Rather should be a pariah in media, especially because he still maintains he did nothing wrong (he did). But he has enjoyed a renaissance in the news business these past couple of years, thanks, in large part, to his anti-President Trump social media activities.

    If top newsrooms and journalism educators are willing to throw away their credibility to reward a remorseless liar for having the correct political positions, it is going to take the news industry much longer than I thought to regain the public’s trust. Much longer.

    Rather must have been right; they made a movie about him!
    (I won’t quote the Power Line stories, assuming most habitual readers here know those.)

    NOTE: This was published back before USAToday cancelled Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit) for daring to Question the Narrative.
    Which he has been doing ever since he started blogging.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/rieder/2015/10/21/rieder-dan-rather-movie-no-way-establish-truth/74331418/
    by Rem Rieder

    This is a movie the world didn’t need.

    Why would anyone think it’s a good idea to make a film portraying two journalists responsible for a major ethical blunder in a heroic light? With A-lister Robert Redford — who played Bob Woodward in All the President’s Men, a celebration of good journalism — cast as one of them, no less.

    I’m referring, of course, to Truth, the new movie about then-CBS anchor Dan Rather, his producer Mary Mapes and the catastrophic 60 Minutes Wednesday segment on President George W, Bush’s disputed service in the Texas Air National Guard. The report ran on September 8, 2004, when Bush was in the middle of his re-election battle with Democrat John Kerry.

    The segment, suggesting Bush had received special treatment, unraveled when the documents on which it relied heavily were rapidly discredited. CBS ordered up an independent investigation, which led to a devastating report on the segment’s shoddy journalism. Mapes and three others were fired, and Rather was escorted out of his anchor chair,

    Ever since, Mapes and Rather have portrayed themselves not as journalists who cavalierly rushed onto air a piece that wasn’t anywhere near ready — which was the case — but as martyrs to the pursuit of the truth, done in by evil corporate forces.

    That’s always an appealing storyline, but in this case it’s nonsense.
    …
    What’s the big deal, you ask? After all, it’s just a movie.

    Well, yes and no.

    Sure, movies are entertainment, not accurate recreations of history. But they often have a major impact on how events are perceived by people, particularly those not intimately familiar with the subject.
    …
    Blanchett says the film explores the questions of media ownership and whether some powerful targets are off limits. Redford talks about politics intruding on the truth and laments that the support The Washington Post had for Woodward and Carl Bernstein during Watergate wasn’t shown by CBS for Rather and Mapes.

    Astonishingly, there is virtually no mention of the fact that we’re talking about a journalistic disaster, about the manifold errors by 60 Minutes.
    Rather speaks rather grandly about the duty to tell truth to power and clings to the greater truth blather, as if airing an error-riddled story that may possibly perhaps be true anyway is what journalism is all about.

    To grasp a sense of just how deep the Mapes/Rather denial is, all you need is this comment from Mapes: “I think there was a tremendously strong perception that we bungled, bungled, bungled very badly. And I think we were in the normal journalistic range of bungle.”

    Fortunately, that’s not the case.

    It’s pretty basic. Being sure you are right and having high-minded rhetoric aren’t enough. You have to have the facts. You have to make the case. And if your evidence blows up on you, that’s a huge problem, Robert Redford and Cate Blanchett to the contrary.

    “Bungling” is now is not only in the “normal journalistic range,” but is standard procedure.

  18. AesopFan:

    I haven’t read the McCarthy article and am too busy now to read it, but I can safely say that I strongly believe that agreeing with the Texas argument would have opened up Pandora’s box. It would have meant endless challenges by one state to another about how the other state had conducted its elections. I don’t know whether that’s what McCarthy is saying, but it’s certainly what I say.

    Question is, however, whether SCOTUS should have heard the arguments and then if they wanted to, they could have issued a ruling with a lengthy explanation. Or, even if they didn’t want a full hearing, could they not have issued a full opinion on the reasons why not? Any effort at clarity and information would be helpful. Instead, they punted utterly and made no statement at all except that there was a standing problem.

    At this point, the public is left with no guidance, no information, no satisfaction, no explanation – and the sense that massive fraud occurred. That’s an equally bad situation that needs addressing and is not being addressed. The silence is deafening.

  19. AesopFan:

    The problem with amassing enough evidence is that the time constraints make it nearly impossible, and also it’s hard to get access to the figures needed (e.g. Dominion records, signature audits) without having enough evidence to begin with that a court will grant such access. The latter problem is a real Catch-22.

    Plus, I often have wondered: what would be enough evidence to please a court in a case like this, in which the remedy is something very drastic that could amount to overturning a presidential election? I cannot imagine how the plaintiffs could ever get evidence of that quality in the amount of time given.

  20. If either Biden or Harris is inaugurated on Jan. 20th 2021…

    There will be NO shutting of the door on voting fraud..

    Because after that, only another violent revolution will enable the restoration of clean elections.

  22. I tracked back from Hoyt’s post that Neo linked and made it to an important post on her own blog.
    If you don’t have time to read anything else today, read this, and the open letter from a blogger named Sarah Chamberlain that she includes.

    Adams, Jefferson, Paine & Co. would be proud.

    https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/12/17/we-are-not-alone/

    I’ve never before today heard of Sarah Chamberlain, and yet she is my (a little younger) sister.

    So are all of you, my comrades. From now on I’m stealing the communist word for believers in the same cause who are not willing to put down their weapons and be stomped on by the reigning leftist hierarchy. Those who will not let their heads be invaded. Those who will provide aid and comfort to others like them.

    The promise of brotherhood in “comrade” was always a lie for the left, because a system based on envy and suppression is not brotherhood. Unless your idea of family is as profoundly dysfunctional as a communist’s. (Which I think is the problem.)

    Also, frankly, the collectivists have no business — none — complaining we stole their term. We’re …. collectivizing it.

    So, you are my brothers and sisters, even I never met you. Comrades at arms. People I’ll succor in extremity, people from whom I’ll buy preferentially. People I’ll promote preferentially, in war or — just — in normal life.

    Communism unmade us that way, from within, by favoring their own, which not only allowed them to take over, but gave them the voice of authority and prestige. Which made Marxism a positional good and a mark of “intelligence” because the intelligent do better in life, right?

    Well, it’s time to fight back. Now. It starts right now. Right this moment, in whatever small way you can affect. Like Sarah Chamberlain, I won’t be the one to start the rough music, though I don’t promise I won’t join in, unsuited to that work though I am.

    BUT I’ve started already to do things to support the believers in freedom and, if given a chance, hamper the collectivists. I’ve started, within the limits of my life to fight back.
    …

    https://sarah-chamberlain-42954.medium.com/open-letter-from-an-american-coward-c60530a7a8e9

    Please save, screenshot, etc., then boost.
    I don’t usually ask for my content to be shared. What I am about to say though is perhaps the most important thing I will ever say in public, and in the present landscape of the internet, there is a very high probability that it is being silenced or erased even now as you read it. So, I am asking you to please, save an offline and/or archived copy of this letter RIGHT NOW.

    If, once you’ve read this letter, you feel that it has any value or interest whatsoever, please, as a personal favor, send it on through whichever channels, to whichever people you feel safe doing so.

    If you think what I say is absurd, please share my letter with your friends so you can all laugh at me.

    If you think that what I say is evil, please share it with your friends so you can all rage at me.

    If you think I deserve to be punished for what I say, please send my letter on to the “authorities” or to any person you think might hurt me for writing it. At least then, those people will have a chance to read it.

    I am
    an American, a New Hampshirewoman, a lover of liberty, and a happily married mother of four beautiful children. I have a wonderful life, a bright future, and could not ask for any greater blessing than those I have already received.

    My enemies are
    in a word, communists. Modern communists do not usually call themselves such. They do not talk about workers rising up and seizing the Means of Production.
    …

    Today, she has 49 followers.
    Tomorrow, I predict 4900.
    After that, she will be cancelled on all social media.
    Which she predicts.

  23. Neo, I was very disappointed in a friend of mine, a conservative and highly intelligent, who expressed hope that SCOTUS would not entertain the Texas case for fear of rioting.
    It bothers me that that would even be a consideration.
    I don’t give credence to the Justices shouting story, but I could believe that civil unrest was a motive for their decision that they did not want to admit to.

  24. Geoffrey:

    All good according to the SCOTUS, totally divorced from the implications of their “actions.” Thomas is the only one with courage it seems. Alito was blown off by PA and did it matter to the other seven “justices?” It did not appear to matter.

    Thinking like a Democrat ….. Fine institution you have there Justice Jonny boy, wouldn’t want anything to happen to it (wink, wink, nod, nod). Don’t worry, we Democrats have plans for the improvement of the institution; it will be a much “finer” thing. And all the lower courts took the “hint.”

  25. It should be painfully clear by now that our government(s), at all levels, elected and appointed, including the judiciary, are thoroughly and hopelessly corrupt. How did we reach this point? Can we ever find courageous people who can successfully stand up against this level of corruption?

  26. “Neo, I was very disappointed in a friend of mine, a conservative and highly intelligent, who expressed hope that SCOTUS would not entertain the Texas case for fear of rioting.” – Edward+R+Bonderenka (can I call you Ed?)

    One rationale right now is that the Right is not prepared to counter the rioters effectively; that is, in a more organized or at least disciplined manner than having Proud Boys scuffling with Antifa in the streets.
    It takes time to prep for war.
    (see some of the comments at my link to Sarah Hoyt)

  27. Folks, the ship has sailed and it breaks my heart. My 48 year old son who came over to the right about 12 years ago was visiting with me about our loss this week and his take on it was that the people who were talking about the obvious theft of the election on the right and the money folks behind them were all over the place rather than taking a specific fraud and then concentrating on winning in court and making that violations a fact about the second week after the election. The media tells the story and the media is newsprint, broadcast and social and when the lefties have all of that along with several generations brought up to expect equality at any cost it appears they have won and it breaks my heart.

  28. See also this post (h/t Sarah’s commenter RES)
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/selling-our-souls-lessons-from-the-devil-and-daniel-webster_3613744.html

    America sports a pantheon of folk heroes, picturesque inventions of the imagination or real-life celebrities made mythical by time and the exaggerations of yarn spinners.

    …

    Which brings us to Stephen Vincent Benét’s short story “The Devil and Daniel Webster.”
    …
    On the stranger’s arrival, Webster insists on a jury trial, and Scratch, as the stranger calls himself, provides a judge and jury from hell, comprising infamous Americans of that time and earlier: murderers, brigands, and thieves. Webster seems on the verge of losing his case until he begins “talking about the things that made a country, and a man a man.”

    Walter Butler, the head juror and the loyalist who had spread “fire and horror through the Mohawk Valley in the times of the Revolution,” then rises and announces that the jury has found for Jabez Stone. Webster defeats Scratch so badly that “whenever the devil comes near Marshfield, even now, he gives it a wide berth.”

    So what can we readers take away from this folk tale?
    …
    When the devil demands Stone’s soul, Webster answers in a voice of thunder: “Mr. Stone is an American citizen, and no American citizen may be forced into the services of a foreign prince. We fought England for that in twelve and we’ll fight all hell for it again!”
    …
    “The Devil and Daniel Webster” reprimands America in several places for those wrongs—it condemns slavery in particular—but it also reminds us that our history is filled with attempts to right those abuses.
    …
    Webster had many flaws—self-promotion, an inability to manage money, a predilection for drink and perhaps for women—but he had one virtue some of our citizens lack.

    He loved his country.
    …
    When Scratch appears to Stone and promises him wealth and success beyond his wildest dreams, we might think of some today who make such promises. The devil to whom we sell our souls needn’t come out of hell; he may just as well come out of Washington, D.C., offering us such gifts as canceled student loan debts, Medicare for all, more welfare benefits, and other handouts in exchange for our rights and liberties. All we have to do, as Jabez Stone did, is to put our blood signature on the contract, and we’ll be taken care of.

    In other words, we will become children.

    Fortunately, many Americans understand that such dependence is not the American Way, that it is instead a bargain with the devil and leads to slavery.
    …

    Benet’s story:
    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8956/73f527c8fc2ee5423ec198b9ec1ba34fadda.pdf

  29. Aesopfan: I don’t know. I made it a point to keep the rifles out of the cases a couple months ago when it appeared Antifa might head our way, but no amount of Trump flag and election posters was enough bait to lure them our way.

  30. My 48 year old son who came over to the right about 12 years ago was visiting with me about our loss this week and his take on it was that the people who were talking about the obvious theft of the election on the right and the money folks behind them were all over the place rather than taking a specific fraud and then concentrating on winning in court and making that violations a fact about the second week after the election.

    OldTexan: I don’t want to get overly critical of those in the arena, but I too thought their efforts were too scattered and there was too much over-promise/under-deliver concerning the fraud. It looked amateurish.

  31. On the legal approach to fighting the fraud —

    I think people are underestimating the huge effect of the time problem. There was very little time, and there were many states involved, each one with different rules and different sorts of fraud alleged. It takes much more time than they had to amass the facts on something like that – it was massive. But if they had chosen only one case to concentrate on (as OldTexan’s son suggests), it still would have been difficult to amass enough evidence quickly. But even more importantly, if all the eggs were put in one basket (or even two), and the energy concentrated there, that would lead to two big problems. The first is that if you lose that case you’re nowhere. The second is that if you win the case, so what? The administration had to win in many many states all at once in order to overturn the results (and remember that the issues in each state were often different, and that a decision in one state’s courts would not transfer to another state’s courts). As I see it they had to plead their cases everywhere to even have a chance.

    I thought it was doomed from the start for that reason. I am amazed at how much they managed to pull together in short order under horrible pressure and trying circumstances.

  32. Brian E. & I am Spartacus. I was not referring so much to the photos, which I had heard about, but never seen. I was referring to this:
    “Obama’s version of his early childhood is false — the family did not split up when the Kenyan Obama went to Harvard as he claimed. In fact, Ann Dunham, took “Barry” to Seattle a few weeks after his birth, in late August 1961, and began studies at the University of Washington, while the Kenyan remained in Hawaii. All evidence points to a “sham” marriage to cover up an illicit affair.”
    Which makes the case for Davis as the father of B.O. There are many side by side photos of Davis and B.O. on the webs that show quite a resemblance. I tried to load one up to the comment, but was unable. (My tech skills are minimal.)

    I remember reading about Ann Dunham’s rather strange departure to U of WA shortly after the birth of Barack. It did not compute. But much about his background doesn’t compute.. 🙂

    On to election fraud. Navarro’s interview is here:
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/17/peter_navarro_presents_the_immaculate_deception_a_coordinated_effort_to_stack_election_against_trump.html#!

    His pamphlet summarizes all the evidence of fraud. It would be the perfect platform to begin an inquiry into the six swing states. The main goal would be to recommend new laws to ensure that this can never happen again. Maybe the investigative body would not find much. (Doubtful, but possible.) But the investigation needs to take place. Otherwise more citizens are going to lose faith in our elections. And the perps will keep getting away with fraud. We need clear laws for holding our national elections with transparency and a simple way to enforce and punish infractions. No more changing election laws or procedures just before an election. No more mail in voting except by absentee ballot. If you have a pandemic, you can specify that people can request absentee ballots with strict signature and address matching with strong rules for observers to witness every phase of the counting. Find out how honest and secure the Dominion and other vote counting machines really are. Get rid of them if they can’t be made secure. It’s obvious that the Democrat run cities are the places that need the most reform and the most monitoring. Many are as bad as Venezuela when it comes to free and fair elections. This should become a mission for all Republicans. Election reform now!

  33. You mention the amazing amount of evidence they had to pull together.
    Tomorrow I’m interviewing one of Sydney Powell’s chief witnesses and he’s going to talk about that, among other things.

  34. “Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish!” Euripides

    “Well, I won’t back down
    No, I won’t back down
    You can stand me up at the gates of hell
    But I won’t back down

    No, I’ll stand my ground
    Won’t be turned around
    And I’ll keep this world from draggin’ me down
    Gonna stand my ground

    And I won’t back down
    (I won’t back down)
    Hey, baby, there ain’t no easy way out
    (I won’t back down)
    Hey, I will stand my ground
    And I won’t back down

    Well I know what’s right
    I got just one life
    In a world that keeps on pushin’ me around
    But I’ll stand my ground

    And I won’t back down
    (I won’t back down)
    Hey, baby, there ain’t no easy way out
    (I won’t back down)
    Hey, I will stand my ground
    And I won’t back down

    (I won’t back down)
    Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
    (I won’t back down)
    Hey, I won’t back down
    (I won’t back down)
    Hey, baby, there ain’t no easy way out
    (I won’t back down)
    Hey, I will stand my ground
    And I won’t back down
    No, I won’t back down”

    Tom Petty, “I Won’t Back Down”

  35. (If only.)
    Somebody just sent me this:
    Right now Trump is sitting on a stack of Trump cards or maybe an Uno Wild Draw 4 (more years) that he’s just waiting to lay down like a fricking royal flush.
    He has court cases still pending that will go to the Supreme Court & thanks to the TX case, he now knows how to file it under article 3 not 2 so it will force them to hear it.
    He has the DNI report on Friday.
    Barr steps down on the 23rd (can now be a witness—he did his job).
    Durham is a special counsel (can prosecute in any state).
    He’s letting civil, criminal, federal courts fail to handle the situation properly so he can use military tribunals.
    He has the data (all of it) from NSA, the Kraken supercomputer, the Alice supercomputer, (& probably a couple others we haven’t heard about yet, too). He has the dueling electors from 7 states legislatures. He has VP Pence as final arbiter of which ballots to accept.
    He has the Insurrection Act, the NDAA, the national emergency, the 14th amendment, the 2018 executive order, the 2017 very first EO, the Patriot Act, the FISA warrants, the Declassification of everything, people swearing affidavits by the 1000s, the QR code scan guy who just needs access to some real ballots & he can detect if they are fake by looking for creases & printing items using his scanner technology, he has all the statistical data being analyzed, the videos, emails, phone calls, bank transfer statements showing the coordination of the coup, he has RICO, he has the crimes against humanity videos, Wikileaks just dropped a ton & Assange will be pardoned so he can talk about Seth Rich.
    Now that the governors and secretary of states certified & Biden accepted, they committed and knowingly agreed to treason. Solar Winds just raided & Dominion closing up shop.
    Same with politicians & media. He has the C_A servers used to change dominion machines, he will soon have access to the machines too.
    He baited them into staying in DC so they can be inaugurated, oops arrested. Biden hasn’t accepted any transition money nor has Kamala given up her seat.
    The military has infiltrated Antifa & BLM & he has the financials.
    He knows which politicians took Chinese & Soros money.
    He put in Miller & Watnick. He also just reduced dumb regulations. And wrote an EO in the military line of succession. He is defunding the C_A. He just replaced Kissinger & Allbright on the National Security Advisory Board with his loyalists. The military has been flying more planes over America. The Navy just parked huge fleets on both coasts. The 82nd is preparing for an operation (same group Flynn & Donoghue belonged to). Things are falling into place. He has it all. He is just laying out the case, building the narrative. He knows he won & they cheated.
    He gave them the chance to fix things. They chose not to. Now they all go down.
    …………………………………………………….
    Well, it would make a great “alternative ending”.

  36. “It should be painfully clear by now that our government(s), at all levels, elected and appointed, including the judiciary, are thoroughly and hopelessly corrupt. How did we reach this point? Can we ever find courageous people who can successfully stand up against this level of corruption?” Joe Van Steenbergen

    We found one or perhaps more accurately, he found us. His name is Donald Joseph Trump.

    There are others, though they be few in public office. There are millions of us, at least 74 million here and multitudes more around the world. Those who would order our lives out of a desire to control others are courting a terrible fate.

    You can push the law abiding just so far but once the rule of law is seen to be lost, civilization’s thin veneer falls away and the whirlwind comes.

  37. Is this how the resistance is supposed to work?

    “The Board of Supervisors in Arizona’s Maricopa County on Friday voted 4-1 to file a complaint in the Arizona Superior Court and won’t comply with state Senate-issued subpoenas to hand over voting machines used in the Nov. 3 election for an audit, as well as an audit of scanned ballots.

    A lawsuit will be filed against lawmakers in the Arizona State Legislature to block the enforcement of the subpoenas, county officials said.” – Epoch Times

    https://twitter.com/TWPundit/status/1340042961548144641

    Then there’s this:

    Pentagon Abruptly Halts Biden Transition Briefings, Leaving Officials “Stunned”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/abrupt-halt-bidens-pentagon-transition-briefings-leaves-officials-stunned

  38. My hope, after seeing some of the fraud YouTubes, was that they had proof of many thousands of votes being shifted from Trump to Biden on the Dominion machines. Having looked at the goofy way the Dominion machines stored vote counts in terms of percentages — not real, actual votes — for each candidate it seemed possible.

    When I heard, “Release the Kraken!” I thought they had that proof nailed down. But if things came down to signature matching and all that in several states, I knew, like neo, it was doomed.

    When I couldn’t find decent write-ups, just breathless YouTubes and much handwaving, I stopped expecting much. Hail Marys in this kind of situation never come to anything.

    We ended up with the worst of both worlds — no proof and lots of big talk hinting it was in the bag. Rather like Barr/Durham.

    So we failed and we look like fools to the low-info voters.

  39. I must challenge Neo’s reply to Aesop: that the Texas case entailed endless state challenges to other state’s Presidential elections.

    Why not? Because has the Equal Protection Clause applied to minority voter suppression resulted in endless challenges to other state’s election laws? No.

    We merely need and deserve a legal system to kill illegal ballot stuffing as much as it already kills invidious vote suppression. If clear standards are enunciated, then simple judicial oversight can and should punish wayward states as much as any new slave holding state would be held unconstitutional.

  40. I’ve commented here on this before. Election day registration and voting by mail are Democrat-designed means of cheating. Any *actual* auditor who looked at such a system would reject it immediately as being too easy to defraud.

    We are told endlessly by the Soros-funded Secretaries of State and by the willing media that there is no evidence of fraud. The proper question is, “Where did you look?” They won’t answer that because they know there’s fraud.

    When the Project Veritas tapes of the vote harvesting (illegal in MN) were made public, the reaction was: wulp. Everyone in politics knows that Little Mogadishu is rife with voter fraud. No one wants to do anything about it.

    Why? First, the Soros-funded SecState said, “I have no way to investigate.” Bullshit. He can demand investigations by the Attorney General or County Attorneys.

    The Soros-funded Attorney General, Keith Ellison, preceeded Ilhan Omar in her seat, and benefitted from the Somali vote harvest himself. He isn’t inclined to look and definitely won’t, since he’s implicated.

    The Hennepin County Attorney, Mike Freeman, used to be a solid guy. Hell, I’ve voted for him twice. But since the riots, someone told him to start being compliant with letting things slide, if he wanted to keep his job. Otherwise, he’d be primaried by a Soros-funded candidate. So he’s not going to touch it.

    Who is left? The Minneapolis Police Department, who has their hands full with carjackings and other violent crime.

    And here’s the other thing: No one wants to do an investigation in the Somali world. If you don’t speak the language, and don’t understand the clan and sub clan connections and rivalries, it’s damn near impossible to get any reliable evidence. A witness may tell you something, but two days later, he recants, because he got a visit from the elders.

    As Kate wrote earlier, paper ballots filled by hand, on election day in the precinct except in extremis (armed forces, under care). An electronic ballot counter in the precinct, not connected to any central server. If you’re not registered 7 days before, too bad. Ditch the computerized poll books, go back to paper. No absentee ballots accepted after 8 p.m. And audit precincts at random by hand counts to verify the accuracy of the electronic ballot counters.

    At that point you’re down to what corrupt precinct judges can do. But that’s a manageable problem. Observers, observers, observers, and any place that doesn’t allow the observers to observe, up close, shut it down immediately. We had rules like that in some states until very recently–a legacy of the civil rights era.

  42. Physicsguy @ 4:45 PM on December 18:

    You are currently living in a failing state in one of the epicenters of blue-state incompetence, corruption, and mandated economic decline masquerading as “science-based governance” (the northeast). It’s not representative of the country as a whole, however. Your physical and mental health will improve when you move to a saner part of the country, as you apparently planning to do. Hang in there.

  43. Ms Abrams of Ga claims there are 7.7 million registered voters in Ga. Since Ga has 10 million residents then 77 % of the residents are registered to vote. A record for any state. I wonder if this includes children, the dead, the illegals?

  44. JHCorcoran,

    Your point about evil and the appearance of its winning is excellent and so vital to us now; as it has been at many times throughout history.

    Regardless of the minutiae of whether an election was stolen, or the CIA and/or FBI lied about our President, or whether there is a deep state coup, or whether groups like Antifa or BLM are gaining favor with the public (and I know none of this feels like minutiae right now)…

    What is of fundamental importance is that good, honest, decent people do not allow themselves to be demoralized; we do not give up living our lives joyfully*. This does not mean that we should not fight. Anywhere you can be of use; fight! but don’t give the opposition your spirit, your soul.

    What is going on at the macro level is almost certainly one of two things; the impetus for the anger, destruction and hate we see is supernatural or it is natural. Whether the source is supernatural or natural the ultimate response is the same; don’t give in. Don’t lose hope. Not hope that a certain man or woman will be President, or hope that certain people will be tried and imprisoned, or hope that the entertainment or sports industries will change their way… That’s the minutiae and it is a trap.

    “These are times that try men’s soul.” Thomas Paine

    Every generation faces extreme hardship. We are not unique. It is our duty to be a light for others; so that humanity does not lose sight of what is beautiful and good. Don’t lose hope in humanity; most importantly your own.

    *I intentionally did not use the word, “happily.” “Joy” is a very different word. There can be joy in suffering, for example.

  47. Every generation faces extreme hardship. We are not unique. It is our duty to be a light for others; so that humanity does not lose sight of what is beautiful and good. Don’t lose hope in humanity; most importantly your own.

    Rufus T. Firefly: Yes!

    Perhaps I’m naive, but compared to the odds other generations have faced, I don’t think we have it so bad.

  48. Re: Andrew McCarthy and the rest of NRO. What mulling pukes, a bunch of lawyers lost in words without looking at the actual election data. He, and they, claim there is no obvious election fraud in Wisconsin. I downloaded the WI election time series from the NYT. It absolutely has fraud written all over it. At 3:37 am on 11/4, Trump was ahead of Biden by 108,660 votes. At the very next update at 3:42 am Biden got a vote dump of 143,380 votes and was suddenly ahead of Trump by 9660 votes, never to get behind again. Anyone who looks at the plot can spot it immediately. It’s the classic Chicago method of vote fraud.

  49. The biggest semi-illegal fraud was in vote harvesting – where Dem activists go and solicit voters to vote on ballots and sign their real names. In theory, it’s illegal – like speeding. In practice, it’s treated as only 5 mph over the limit. Dem cops can stop Reps from doing it, but won’t stop Dems from doing it.

    I’ve read about Dominion ballot count switching, but haven’t read that any hand-recounts had found such discrepancies.

    So now to read Bannon’s War Room report, thanks Huxley, on
    The Immaculate Deception – Six Key Dimensions of Election Irregularities

    This fine Navarro report is two months late. There should have been a draft available much earlier with the various focii. Also, since the focus of decisions is a state level, the organization of the report should have been more on states, rather than type of fraud. While it’s arguably good to have the types of fraud in chapter 1, protests and court actions would be state based. Like Georgia, or PA.

    GA had all 6 frauds: 1) Outright fraud; 2) Ballot Mishandling; 3) Process Fouls; 4) Equal Protection violations; 5) Vote Machine irregularities; 6) Statistical fraud.

    Protests in Georgia should have details of each of the types of frauds.

    With so little time, it’s more important to focus on one or two highly contestable, in court, challenges, than being fully comprehensive. Yes, if you add complaints later, it’s “weak”, but getting one strong case focused upon is important. I understood that the fraud video in GA at the (unknown prior?) Sports Arena counting center was glossed over and explained away, by SoS Raffensperger (R). Where is the detailed explanation of what happened and why it’s not a problem? And why isn’t that video a key focus? You won’t get more “smoking gun” than that.

    I have the strange, sad feeling that rather than trying to fight and win in court, this detailed and important fraud report, and much of the Republican support for Trump, is designed to stoke anger about being “forced” to accept Biden being fraudulently elected rather than effectively overturn the fraud.

    In some respect, the Shock and Awe at the sheer size and brazen lawlessness of the Dems in stealing the election have paralyzed and shocked the supposedly responsible Rep politicians, as well as the judges. (Shock job done well by the bad guys.)

    I’ve long had the feeling the deep state has warned Rep winners that they could all be targeted, and their families, if they protest too much. Then, after it genuinely IS “legally too late” after inauguration, more of the dirt will come out and the deep state criminals will offer “reform”, like Pelosi’s, which makes the problems worse and helps Dems even more.

    I wish more Reps would talk about unity – “As Americans, we should all agree that election fraud is unacceptable. We should all support Free and Fair elections. With stable rules, fairly applied to all parties, and with rapid, transparent audits. If a mail-in ballot doesn’t match the signature, it shouldn’t be counted – and NO “naked” ballots match signatures, so none of those should be counted. Every election official should be held responsible for violations of election laws, and probably fired but certainly be relieved of any authority in future elections. Do we, as American citizens, want all legal voters to vote – but only count legal votes? That’s what we should unify for, that’s what Republicans want, that’s what Americans want – only Honest and Legal elections should be accepted as final.”

    Now I’m imagining a combined car protest with a large, masked umbrella protest, having lots of people with black umbrellas, marching around and destroying mail-in ballot collection boxes. The umbrellas are to interfere with the security cameras.

    GA Republicans should be installing security cameras in all counting areas AND all ballot collection areas. Observers should requesting chain of command documentation for every box of ballots — and physically fighting over each illegal box, and every box without documents is illegal.

    I’m sleeping OK – but every morning I doze awake with protest ideas.

    I hate that American laziness is allowing election fraud – because of easy convenience of mail voting. Plus Dem cheating, unchecked.

  50. Tom Grey:

    “Chain of custody” applies to ballots, environmental samples, criminal evidence, for example.

    “Chain of command” applies to none of those things.

    Mr. Edit is your friend, he is no longer AWOL.

  51. I read much of the Navarro report. There is some serious hedging going on. The conclusion (in part):

    “From the findings of this report, it is possible to infer what may well have been a coordinated strategy to effectively stack the election deck against the Trump-Pence ticket. Indeed, the patterns of election irregularities observed in this report are so consistent across the six battleground states that they suggest a coordinated strategy to, if not steal the election, then to strategically game the election process in such a way as to unfairly tilt the playing field in favor of the Biden-Harris ticket.”

    “Stacking the deck” is not the same as “stealing,” and that’s an important distinction. “Unfairly tilt[ing] the playing field” isn’t illegal (as far as I know).

    I’ve been worried that Republicans have been using this election rigging stuff as a fund raiser, and that they may not really have enough evidence to prove outright fraud. This part of Navarro’s conclusion seems to bear that out (as does the over $100 million that has been raised since the election). Sort of make you wonder, does it not?

  52. Joe:

    Sorry, but stacking the deck is stealing from the mark. If you don’t understand that, there are a lot of folks who want to you to join in their game or at their table. The crocked dealer may not be holding a gun to you when he manipulates the cards to favor his odds but for some reason crooked dealers tended to get shot (at least in Western movies).

    Why do casinos have rules and government oversight and why doesn’t the Mob just run their “games” out in the open? Is the Mob interested in giving the mark an even chance to win?

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