Is the right a sleeping giant?
Commenter “OBloodyHell” writes (the first sentence of the comment is a quote from a previous commenter on the thread):
“Because conservatives do not riot but liberals do therefore it is better to do conservatives wrong then offending BLM and antifas.”
This is incorrect.
Conservatives CHOOSE not to riot.
When we DO decide it’s time to do violence, we aren’t going to just RIOT.
Remember, the Right has most of the retired military.
I’ve been hearing variations of that claim for many, many years. I don’t doubt there are some such people. I have no way to evaluate how many, how effective they would be, or any number of other details. Obviously, I hope it doesn’t come to something like that – call it civil war, call it what you will. But my sense is that the government, which has very big guns indeed, would come down very hard and fast on any such movement.
However, it seems to me that a general strike on the right would be more effective, although once again, I have no idea how many would participate. I doubt it would be all the many millions of Trump voters, but it might be a great many of them. I also don’t know what would trigger such a thing.
This is an area in which I must confess my thoughts are scattered and uncertain, because of all the unknowns. I have long hoped that it would not come to something like this, although I have long feared that it would. I definitely think that in the last year we’ve taken some leaps and bounds in that direction. The divide between the two sides of America’s political landscape has approached Grand Canyon dimensions, and I don’t see what could change that.
When conservatives – almost certainly still a majority, at the very least quite a substantial proportion of the country – judge the government that will try to rule over them completely illegitimate because of election fraud the Antifa riots will seem like Very Small Beans.
A comment at Powerline and highlighted by Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit regarding the Texas filing with SCOTUS: “I wonder if the left, and the court realize this is a hail mary to prevent a civil war, not to keep trump in office. 30% of democrats and 80+% of republicans think the election was stolen. That is a loss of legitimacy of the nation’s governments from the state level through the federal.” SCOTUS can run and hide, which is probably what Roberts would prefer, but this gets resolved either by enforcing established Constitutional requirements and procedures and clearly under the rule of law or it gets resolved by The People, who will not resolve it at all gently; I would very much prefer seeing proof that the Constitution and Rule of Law matter and are taken seriously. Should it be necessary for The People to do the job government, and SCOTUS, is Constitutionally charged with, the result could damage the country beyond repair.
I think the country is already damaged beyond repair, and that it happened during the last few decades as the slow Gramscian march proceeded to the point where we have the situation we are facing now. Without the former, we would not be experiencing the latter.
[NOTE: The reference in the title of this post is to the famous quote attributed (perhaps falsely?) to Admiral Yamamoto of Japan in 1941 speaking about the results of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor (the 79th anniversary of which was yesterday): “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”]
These people are all talks but they will never take action, all these big talks about using the 2nd amendment to defend against tyranny are all bs. when biden comes for the guns they have been hoarding for years they will just give them up without a word.
All this talk about revolution by conservatives, gun owners and vets is so much rubbish.
“Big guns” is right. None of these folks are organized, nor do they have weapons to take on the national guard’s weapons, nor do they have any way to get organized.
Besides, how many of them will accept the inevitable losses to their families?
Remember, our Civil War was fought between two governments.
Also, at the time of our Revolutionary War, there wasn’t such a huge discrepancy in the power of weapons and communications between the revolutionaries and the British as there is now.
I know quite a few conservatives, vets and gunowners. While many of them are horrified by the current state of things, I don’t know anyone talking about a revolution. Most of them are greatly worried about self defense, particularly in the “Defund the Police” era.
It does seem (alas!) as though the country is damaged beyond repair, but by virtue of being a rich country, in which most citizens have a level of material comfort about which the “wretched of the earth” can only dream, we are unlikely to find ourselves moving from a “cold” civil war to a rather warmer one. This may encourage the roughly half of the country which has not gone mad to withdraw further and further from public life and from all its institutions (even the Rhodes prizes, book publishing, and the greatest of our museums, the Met in NYC, have been infected with “woke” insanity, to say nothing of all the usual suspects transformed by the “Long March”) yet, even if one is no longer young nor personally threatened, it is hardly pleasant to watch the slow suicide of one’s nation.
“These people are all talk”
I’m growing skeptical too.
When 10 guys in bullet proof vests bang on your door for the mandatory gun buyback … and you answer the door in PJs with your wife and kids wandering behind you unawares… sorry there aren’t so many martyrs in the US. We need smarter ideas.
Actually, neo’s General Strike suggestion is not bad
Ditto fg1r. All talk, no stomach for personal sacrifice. We may not be descended from fearful men, but we have become fearful men.
I agree with Neo and many others here that talk of conservative violence is just sabre rattling. What is more likely to happen is the withdrawal of conservatives from public school where the idiocy is at the highest level. Boys in the girl’s locker rooms, really? Not to mention the other crap we’re subjected to. They’ll educate their children without the ‘help’ of the left.
And I like the idea of some sort of strike. I’m not sure right now about the what, when and where. Perhaps the mechanics, repair men, farmers, truckers, etc, can find the vulnerabilities of the leftist elite and cause some pain. I liked the yellow vest protests in France. Everybody gets in their truck and brings the big cities to a standstill.
As a conservative and gun owner I don’t know anyone who would start shooting over this marred election. I don’t like these obvious election irregularities, no one I know likes it. But none of us want to resort to terrorism.
The general strike, and widespread civil disobedience, would be very powerful tools. People in many states with tyrannical governors have about had it with the lockdowns.
People are acquiring weapons for home defense, especially in states where the police are being severely restricted and crimes are being excused.
My Vietnamese neighbor will join the resistance militia, he says. He spent his first fourteen years in a communist country.
I live in a deeply blue area. Among my close-knit community of fellow closeted conservatives, every conversation now touches on topics like how to dissolve the Union, moving to red states, and civil disobedience. Few of us were gun owners before 2020. We all are now.
We agree that the Right is too disorganized.
We think the most likely way violence will emerge is through lone wolf attacks. Once a few start, there might be an avalanche. That would be followed by draconian gun control and confiscation, which will only inflame and escalate out of control. IIRC, the latest DHS Threat Assessment pretty much predicts this from “right-wing extremists” and “white supremacists.”
I hope we find practical ways to #resist with mass scale civil disobedience so this kind of violence doesn’t arise from our side.
Alas, no matter what the outcome is for the 2020 presidential election, there are dark times ahead.
ref: “when biden comes for the guns they have been hoarding for years they will just give them up without a word.” Best not be so sure about that!
Consider, putting the military/NG aside, that the number of law-abiding gun owners who presently possess heretofore-legal semi-auto weapons (ARs/AKs, SKS, Ruger Ranch/mini-14s…not to mention almost any modern handguns which usually have magazines capable of holding ten or more rounds and probably billions of rounds of ammunition, at least) now being seriously targeted by the progs probably numbers something like 15-25 million, at least; possibly twice that. If one percent only —given their/our horrified familiarity with the eventual outcomes of successful and nearly universal gun grabbing by 20th century totalitarian regimes— opts to forcibly deny confiscation by LEOs— that’s ~200K resistants who might well prove willing to put their lives on the line. Any number near that will certainly overwhelm the available LEO manpower… of whom no small proportion of which will be in agreement —overt or covert— with the resistants.
One way of not crossing that awful Rubicon by the bitter clingers who grow, extract and transport all our country’ basic food, energy and other material requirements will be a mobilization towards a general strike in the face of an immanent hit on 2A .
I expect a hardening of resolve on the right, but the shooting, if any, is a long ways off. Though I believe we will see retail violence at demos escalating into deaths.
I hope to see much brainstorming and action to fix the voting process. Flood every precinct with Republican volunteers, get copies of everything in writing and video, press for improved security, and research the hell out of the last election and publish what is found and what can’t be found.
We also need to push back hard at Facebook, Twitter and Google, and support new conservative platforms as they emerge.
We are not powerless. This is not over by a long shot.
“I think the country is already damaged beyond repair”
I don’t have a lot of use for Peggy Noonan these days, but ten-fifteen years ago she wrote a column I wish I’d saved, about the wheels starting to come off the national wagon and although she knew some folks trying very hard to stop it, it was starting to look a bit inevitable. Look like she was on to something, that one.
On the other hand, during the American Revolution, the country was split approximately in thirds between those loyal to the Crown, those who wanted to split and those who just wanted to be left alone. But the Crown didn’t have China as an ally during that unpleasantness, so…….
Wild, wild west:
Perhaps this is the Noonan column you mention. It struck me too. I had the feeling she had nailed a true truth, prescient, frightening, though largely unmentionable in the MSM.
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This is [our elites’ problem]. Our elites, our educated and successful professionals, are the ones who are supposed to dig us out and lead us. I refer specifically to the elites of journalism and politics, the elites of the Hill and at Foggy Bottom and the agencies, the elites of our state capitals, the rich and accomplished and successful of Washington, and elsewhere. I have a nagging sense, and think I have accurately observed, that many of these people have made a separate peace. That they’re living their lives and taking their pleasures and pursuing their agendas; that they’re going forward each day with the knowledge, which they hold more securely and with greater reason than nonelites, that the wheels are off the trolley and the trolley’s off the tracks, and with a conviction, a certainty, that there is nothing they can do about it.
I suspect that history, including great historical novelists of the future, will look back and see that many of our elites simply decided to enjoy their lives while they waited for the next chapter of trouble. And that they consciously, or unconsciously, took grim comfort in this thought: I got mine. Which is what the separate peace comes down to, “I got mine, you get yours.”
You’re a lobbyist or a senator or a cabinet chief, you’re an editor at a paper or a green-room schmoozer, you’re a doctor or lawyer or Indian chief, and you’re making your life a little fortress. That’s what I think a lot of the elites are up to.
–Peggy Noonan, “A Separate Peace” (Oct. 27, 2005)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122487970866167655
The Left is doing great damage to itself without The Right contributing.
NYC, Chicago, Portland, Seattle, Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia…, they are all bleeding badly and they don’t possess the political will to change their disastrous leadership.
Healthy values create healthy cultures. Ultimately “Wokeism” is suicidal.
I see it more like the left seems to thrive in Chaos but the right needs hierarchy and structure. That’s one of huge rallying points Trump had – whether misplaced or not many conservatives saw a potential leader to mobilize them in some way.
Now people are going from fear mongering here to war mongering. Great.
Just know one thing. Nothing is going to happen in Georgia because my Divine territory is anchored there, that God does not allow or approve of.
The fear vibration, “you need to do this because Leftists will do horrible things to you” does not work on the Sons and Daughters of God. It only works on humans.
Humans obey fear. Humans obey human Authority and laws. So get to your obedience, or resist, or do whatever. Time is up.
I feel as if this stolen election is like firing on Ft. Sumpter. If TX doesn’t win the SCOTUS case, then we have some type of civil war.
The thought that SCOTUS won’t act because the Left riots just rewards the criminals.
Ymarsakar:
I was quite clear in my post that I am not advocating violence nor do I think that those who resort to violence will succeed. I advocated a general strike, if it comes to extreme measures.
Some commenters certainly are advocating violence – such as the person I quoted at the outset of the post. But if you read the comments, the majority of the commenters here are not advocating violence nor do they believe that it will occur.
Yammer, our prophetic sweet potato has spoken. Mark it down on your calendar, turn off your alarms, time is up. But will anything happen in the District of Columbia where the SCOTUS sits? Will the sleeping giant heed the guidance from our tuber of truth? 🙂
In other posts our prophetic sweet potato has called for the death of traitors and such, and for martial law (aka Rule 303 from the Boer War). He’s funny in that way.
From the vantage point of years of observation, I don’t think very many of the enlisted people in our National Guard and regular Military come from “progressive” families. Mostly, they come from patriot families. They took an oath to defend the Nation from enemies foreign and domestic. They know who the enemy is. I would bet my life that they won’t shoot the rebels; I think they’d join us.
The other side of the Sleeping Giant is confronting the Wheeler of Portland:
“Setting Up a Siege? Antifa Has Armed Guards, Stockpiled Weapons at Portland Autonomous Zone”
It’s a Antifa/BLM operation that somehow has no connection to the Orange Man Bad, inconceivable and unimaginable, yet there it is.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/12/09/setting-up-a-siege-antifa-has-armed-guards-stockpiled-weapons-at-portland-autonomous-zone-n1200966
I concur with the majority.
We talk a big game; but, so far are too comfortable to extend ourselves. Maybe that will change, but there is a long road to that point.
An indicator to me is the public reaction to sports. Sports fans are arguably mostly conservative. Athletes and governing bodies at every level now support or condone actions and statements that were unthinkable in the past. They openly opine that they are kneeling for the National Anthem and wearing divisive messages on their uniforms to protest racial injustice (read white privilege/white guilt) or police brutality. Sports fans continue to support them. Can’t do without their sports fix.
I abandoned professional sports some time back; notably the NFL and NBA; but, also National Women’s Soccer team which kneels while our National Anthem is played at foreign venues. They, of course, stand out of respect for the host nation’s anthem.
I have lost interest in a couple of long time favorite college teams for the same reasons. I am informed that I am “cutting off my nose to spite my face”.
All of this may be trivial, but it tells me that rallying a meaningful number of people to join any kind of action that might involve discomfort or saerifice would be problematic.
Please consider reading Stacy McCain’s column,
How to Maintain Your Sanity.
https://theothermccain.com/2020/12/09/how-to-maintain-your-sanity/
Patriots defeated antifa right here in the belly of the beast in Olympia. With violence. Beat them. Literally. True Americans are self-organizing. They don’t need leaders. That being said it is much, much better to fight this civil war with Trump as CinC so hopefully if the thing must be resolved with violence it had best happen before 1/20/21.
The Mil-Geeks seem to think that a big ramp up in rendition flights after the election has tapered off. However it seems the unusually high operational tempo of the Air Force since the election has not.
>I think the country is already damaged beyond repair…
Neo, I’m afraid I have to agree with you on this. So, as a practical matter, how do I live out my retirement years (which will start as soon as a year from now)? Move to a popular US-expat country and enjoy some peace and quiet? Or do something “constructive” here? If the above-quoted assertion is correct, then I’m not sure what I could do that would be constructive, in the big-picture sense of contributing to “saving the country”. Of course there are small-scale local things that retirees do to contribute to their communities, like delivering meals to the elderly (or blogging!) and so on. One might have to be satisfied with things like that.
Oldflyer,
With regards to people being too comfortable, in any other year, I would probably agree with you. But with the lockdowns and pandemic measures, I’m not so sure people are comfortable right now.
The lockdowns are a double-edged sword. They are a tool of oppression and the Left certainly doesn’t want to give up its newfound power. But, if the lockdowns were meant to help with the election fraud, it’s a dangerous tactic. The lockdowns have put a large number of Americans halfway there, so to speak, especially in Blue states. The lockdowns may have enables the fraud but they will make the carrying through with the fraud much more difficult.
Right.
If professional sports-lusting cucks still grovel before their fix when the sport throws shit in their faces, even the prospect of a general strike is remote.
And as far as the chest thumping goes, it is just that. There is not a trace of an independent conservative social movement in the United States. What have partly passed for them; the NRA, and the Tea Party, have been singled out for destruction by the bureaucratic state, and the media and the pseudo-conservative cuck reaction has been to shrug, and send for another NFL Tee.
Ronald Reagan famously investigates the psychology of the go-along human product of the “sleeping giant” as long ago as 1950.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yVzQB9y3GE
How many Bolsheviks were there in January (New or Old Style, take your pick) 1917?
The one thing which might give forces of repression a head start in 2021 is USAF Drones. Drones don’t turn around and frag Pozzed Brass making unreasonable orders. Some of the drone swarm footage out of the recent unpleasantness between Armenia and Azerbaijan is scary stuff.
In the longer run, an irate, heavily armed populace is something else. Quantity has a Quality all of its own.
Peter Grant is a very sober and reasonable man who has been through a lot of living — much of it in some very tough foreign parts. Absolutely not a rabble-rousing attention-seeker or Walter Mitty type. He now lives in Texas. I give a lot of credence to his thoughts.
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2020/12/a-britons-perspective-on-americas.html
Well, golly.
Soon after registering as a Rumble content provider – I have no content and intend none – and confirming my account, I found several suggestions for featured channels. I chose SpaceX and Vivafrei.
Dinesh, I was unsure about, so I clicked on his channel to preview his offerings. https://rumble.com/DineshDsouza
Here is an interesting one!
Hell, boys; you may not have to start a Civil War. Our Democrat friend from the Detroit voter fraud hearings, seems quite intent on provoking one herself while ceding the moral “high ground” altogether.
Uneffen-believable but completely believable.
https://rumble.com/vbpi7t-michigan-dem-state-rep-records-threat-directed-at-trump-supporters.html
I’m surprised that the Texas, et al, case is viewed so dismissively as a long shot. As plaintiffs allege, defendant states clearly violated the Constitution, and the evidence of fraud is considerable.
Additionally, the principle fraud beneficiary (Biden/Harris) has openly entertained the idea of court packing with the clear purpose of nullifying the Court’s originalist majority and exterminating their judicial philosophy. The justices have an opportunity to assure their survival by deciding correctly. I think they will likely do so.
Like many here, I am a veteran, and own firearms. I would not hesitate to use them to defend myself or my family, but that is about it. Commenters here and on other sites sometimes seem to fantasize about millions of gun owners rising in some sort of apocalyptic civil war. I always wonder who in that scenario they would be fighting against? Do they envision the millions of gun owner marching in a group on Washington DC? Not going to happen.
So how do we fight back? I believe that there really are millions of conservatives who would be willing to fight back and sacrifice in any way short of armed insurrection. I love Neo’s idea of large and organized strikes or boycotts. It would have to be things which target the physical comfort of the elites. I don’t know (I’m just brainstorming as I write this), maybe something like farmers and truckers refusing to deliver to Washington DC and other blue cities, along with other types of non-violent resistance? We would need organization and leadership but who knows, maybe if not Trump, the next leader is out there somewhere. All I can say is that I am not yet ready to give up hope.
General Strike is great – but much much less likely in the USA than most other countries. Most of the government is full of Dem workers, who won’t go on strike. Republicans calling for a general strike won’t stop the Dem gov’t from working.
I should have mentioned this General Strike problem when I suggested peaceful car congestion protests. In Europe, like the NY Subway & buses, there are huge numbers of gov’t employees. The General Strike gets them to strike.
Other peaceful actions. MUST be “painful”, so many conservatives will disagree with it. Don’t want to give pain to the innocent, a noble goal.
This is clearly a case of No Pain, No Gain – no publicity, no change in lousy gov’t stealing the election.
Stop the Steal – get involved.
rumble, not youtube
mewe, not facebook (tho few of your friends are there)
parler, not twitter.
Neo – why not try parler and do some double posting? or triple, with mewe too?
If the Democrats keep going the way they’re going, they’re going to induce “the resistance” just by enabling the criminal class and inducing Egypt-style desperation here. Who needs the 3 percent sabotaging infrastructure when you’re decriminalizing theft and people can just start stealing and destroying infrastructure (communications junction boxes, transformers, etc.) for fun and profit. Decriminalize drugs, and the druggies start living under bridges. Eventually one will catch an important bridge on fire and shut it down or ruin it. It won’t take a lot more people who lose jobs from the shutdowns to overwhelm the food banks, and that’s when food riots may well begin.
Revolutions begin when there are bored over-educated middle class with no upward mobility (first US Revolution, Russian Revolution, etc.), or when the poor figure they’re better off fighting the government than dying (French Revolution, last Egyptian revolt, etc.). The worst of all possible worlds is a Franco-style Spanish Revolution (why say “or” when you can say “and”), and that’s what my worst-case scenario is for the US this time around.
Banned Lizard,
I agree, regarding the lawsuit. It is a very clever gambit. As members of a Union impacted by election fraud when it chooses the incorrect winner of a Presidential election (very much a Federal position), the States have standing. Even when the alleged fraud does not occur within their borders.
The Supreme Court will have to address it. No question the Supreme Court has jurisdiction in a dispute among States, especially regarding Federal elections, especially with the number of States involved on both sides of the suit. The Supreme Court does not have to hear the case (although I believe they may), but they have to comment on it now.
Very interesting…
Regarding the post topic,
It is certainly possible. Although I know many funny, clever and entertaining Conservatives and Libertarians; for years the lie was the Networks did not hire such folks as comedy writers “because they are not funny.”
They took their eyes off AM radio because FM was where all the cool kids hang out, and Rush’s humor, personality, wit and quick mind took it over. Stations recognized a cash cow and so shifted, and had no trouble finding many more like minded talents to fill the radio spectrum.
Greg Gutfelds’ Saturday night comedy talk show out draws The Tonight Show. Glenn Beck, Andrew Klavan, Stephen Crowder… draw huge numbers for their comedy. They could not get hired through mainstream circles (“conservatives aren’t funny”), so built their own distribution networks and showed how wrong that claim is.
Not sure if it’s a giant (although I believe it is), but there is something very large out there and it is now very much awake.
I draw your attention to this article by Codevilla.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/23/the-police-and-us/
I read a long time ago an essay about the Stalin purges and show trials. That night after night the black sedans would pull out of the Moscow NKVD station of Lubyanka prison and picked up that night’s haul of unlucky accused. But during that whole time no one dared to interfere thinking that if they didn’t resist they would be left alone. Not once was a sedan vandalized an arrest stopped in progress. The true Martin Niemoller reaction.
That Codevilla article clarified my thinking about gun confiscation. I have thought long and hard on what I would do if the police came for my guns. First, I will produce a bill of sale and say I sold them to an out of state buyer get it from them. They would have to have a valid search warrant to come into my house. Even then they wouldn’t find them. I would tell them oh so politely that they are violating my rights and will be charged afterwards. Then I will vandalize their car(s) and equipment. Not right then necessarily but when ever I came across them. I would assist anyone who guns were being taken away. Safety in numbers.
Then I would confront the issuers of the orders, the judges, elected officials and the bureaucrats. I would warn them of the consequences of their actions. That what goes around comes around. I would disobey and start causing “good trouble” in the parlance of John Lewis. I will organize a self-defense neighborhood watch. If BLM and Antifa pays us a visit and the police refuse to get involved we settle it right then and there.
I say this not out of braggadocio or machismo, but that of a calm rational man who has weighted the consequences of his actions. Those who have read my posts know that is what I am. I have decided not to go gently into the good night but I will rage, rage against the dying of the light. The light of a constitutional republic dimmed and betrayed by it’s leadership. I will not bare my throat as Gandhi suggested of the Jews. I will resist unlike Cicero when the Roman soldiers came to kill him. I will go down resisting.
It may be the futile act of one man but who knows the ripple effects. Who knew the ripple effects of the Vietnamese monk, Thich Quang Duc immolating himself with fire. Or the impact in the Arab world when Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire. Or the Hungarian priest Laszlo Tokes killed in Timosara and ended the Ceausescu’s reign. Or militia men standing in a square in Lexington confronting the might of the greatest empire of that time. You just don’t know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mRec3VbH3w&ab_channel=blogaboutpoetry
“You only have power over people so long as you don’t take everything away from them. But when you’ve robbed a man of everything, he’s no longer in your power – he’s free again.” ~ Solzhenitsyn
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Resistance doesn’t have to be physically violent. Dumping trash on the policeman’s or judge’s yard could be something. Parking your car so they can’t get out is another. Refusing to serve someone in your store. Cutting their electricity to their neighborhood like they threaten to do if you don’t obey their lockdown orders.
Call them out in public places as gun confiscators. Give them the Maxine Waters treatment and gather a crowd. Tip over their dinner table or drink their beer if you are thirsty.
None of it done in passion but with cold anger. All of it as “good trouble” and call it so.
Rufus – There are three programs I still watch on Fox, Maria Bartiromo Sunday Morning Futures, Tucker Carlson and Greg Gutfeld on Saturday night. He is ready for prime time in my opinion.
You are on target Chris B. I am also prepared to defend my home against the Anarchist terrorists. Of course living in California, I assume the state would punish me. But, we all know that if I tried to organize, or join, anything that could be remotely defined as a resistance group, the Fed would be on me in a heartbeat.
Sadly, BLM and Antifa can operate openly, but if the Feds get a whiff of “right-wing”, they are going to bring the power of the United States kicking in your door. I don’t know why. But, that has been proven repeatedly. Remember Ruby Ridge? That mentality is poised to take control of the awesome might of Federal law enforcement once again.
“Sports fans continue to support them.”
Any stats on this?
Does this mean 80%, 60%, 40%?
Wouldn’t that matter?
Something the American Left has, and has earned, is confidence in the face of long odds.
The union struggles, the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, women’s rights and gay rights. None of these looked like good opportunities in the face of entrenched power.
But the Left buckled down and walked into the fire. Some of them died. Many of them paid other prices. But they kept on. They kept speaking out. They built community. They built networks. They kept pushing on. Then they kept pushing on. They have been eating the elephant one slice at a time for decades.
Now they are running the Big Push and may indeed roll up the whole ball of wax of America for a good long time.
I’m not saying they played fair. I’m not saying their goals are taking us to the Utopia on the Hill. But they have accomplished all this, starting as serious underdogs.
The Right could learn a thing or two from the Left.
Neo: “my sense is that the government, which has very big guns indeed, would come down very hard and fast on any such movement.”
It will be a hidden, guerrilla movement — until a John Brown type martyr emerges to coalesce the CW2 around. And then generals and leaders will emerge.
If you don’t think this is on the minds of military vets, spend sometime with video by four war Green Beret vet Terrance Popp at YT and elsewhere as “Ridonkulas.”
He’s been training a cadre of 2A fans, preppers, and vets since May for this. And the theme beginning in August is CW2 planning because…the Left and China demand we grovel and submit to them.
He’s asked his IC contacts about the Frankfort raid and clash between CIA and Special Forces. Normally, they will point to media that hints at something that the informed can read around and arrive at an indication.
This time, it’s different: complete “radio silence,” Popp reports. Which proves nothing except to say that this is the expected behaviour within the IC if there is, in fact, a war within our government (eg, CIA versus the Executive command) going on.
Why is this expected? They don’t want to be on the wrong or losing sides in the coup struggle.
Another way to read the CW2 issue? It’s already going on. It’s just not public knowledge, yet.
I am thinking about many ways people on the conservative side of things could form a resistance without violence. Not well formed ideas yet, but some rambling thoughts. Passive strikes are one way. Another is to form huge organizations devoted to promoting our values. Like the NRA, like a national Conservative Union, like a major private conservative education program. Encourage conservative parents to start/support private schools or start on line conservative teaching pods. Starting neighborhood watch programs in areas where the police are not being properly funded. Stop patronizing Facebook, Google, Apple, Twitter, and other lefty tech outfits. Go to Parler and Rumble. Watch Newsmax and OAN. Begin to act like citizens of a state within the state . Encourage others to join us – all people who share our values, no matter their ethnicity or class. Don’t patronize any of the MSM or woke sports events. In a way, Trump has shown the way. His rallies have been the face of people who are joyful in their beliefs in America First and the conservative values we all hold dear.
The TEA Party tried to get this rolling, but the Obama administration used the IRS to blunt and eventually neuter the movement, though there are still members of Congress from the TEA Party days – the Conservative Caucus in the House.
TEA Party demonstrations were pretty successful – always peaceful and law abiding, but raucous. They were calling people’s attention to the things Obama was doing. It bothered Obama and his minions enough that they used the power of the government to shut them down. Any new organization has to be developed in a way to avoid running afoul of the IRS.
Those are just a few rambling thoughts. 75 million people showed they share these values by voting for Trump. We just have to find a way to make our voices and our economic power known as we fight to save the country.
@Huxley makes some very good points.
Going forward anybody who talks about ‘fairness’ or ‘this is not who we are’ is just a waste of oxygen. The Left plays for keeps.
Our distant descendants, should they be masochistic enough to wish for yet *another* re-run, can go back to a brief flirtation with Constitutional Republics, Fairness, and all that other lovely stuff after the civilizational cycle has gone through another 500 years of fire, brimstone, winnowing, etc.
But now it’s time to be watchful and ready. The Left *will* overplay their hand — they can’t help themselves. And when the Left do go too far, don’t be first to strike back. Let your LARPing neighbour be John Brown and have ballads sung about him a century hence… keep powder dry and watch and learn — learn from the LARPers… it’s the one really useful thing they can do — teach the rest of us by their sticky ends what does and does not work.
Another point Huxley makes is that the Left have a long history of struggle and (let’s be honest) Winning. They have eventually won every time. This is very sobering.
Study the Spanish Civil War. Be aware that virtually everything written about it was written by the Left. It’s the only real example of the Right winning for a while. Only a while. Spain is lost now. Still, some good lessons in there about how a reactionary force can succeed — even when it’s comprised of several groupings who don’t have exactly identical war aims.
Hey, Zaphod. It sounds like you have the Spanish CW down pat. Top recommends to read?
J.J. says “Begin to act like citizens of a state within the state.” I’m sure it’s there already in Patriot group, Back The Blue orgs. And the sudden collapse of Faux News and the surge elsewhere tells us that the coalescence to counter the Left fascists is ongoing and real and measurable big.
These changes mean rapid education by discussion. Too many of us here are too cloistered to notice and measure this rapid change.
But Trump is the People’s Tribune. There will be a huge and wildly noisy counter-demo of any Prez Fraud “Inauguration.” Make it so.
@TJ:
I’m hardly an expert on the Spanish Civil War, but I do harp on a bit about it because it’s likely the nearest imperfect analogue to what’s heading down the pike.
Anthony Beevor’s Battle for Spain is well-regarded. Peter Kemp’s ‘Mine Were of Trouble’ is a very useful account by an Englishman who fought on the Nationalist side. It’s balances nicely with Orwell’s account of fighting in the International Brigades.
For me, the most telling part of Beevor’s book is in the early chapters. When you have truly internecine strife and not ‘War Between the States’ then the kickoff in particular is *very* sudden and very nasty indeed. There was a bit of this in Kansas / Missouri during the Civil War, but the unpleasantness there was positively quaint compared to some of the happenings in Spain during Week Zero.
An interesting point Kemp makes is that the Nationalists made a point of summarily executing captured members of the International Brigades. They did this much less so with captured Republican Spaniards. Logic being that a captured Spaniard is a refractory brother who might be redeemable and who was born pre-destined to be in this fight… whereas a foreign interloper came looking to make trouble and deserves no quarter. Food for thought.
Kemp’s war experiences Trilogy (Spanish one is Volume 1) are back in print after many years and very much worth reading. Volume 2 is about the Balkans during WWII and Volume 3 is of interest to anyone who loves SE Asia. Kemp was one of the lucky few who saw Bali before the deluge. Won’t say Before the Fall because there was always some kind of Trouble in that Paradise, but to have seen it before mass tourism must be counted a rare gift. Anyway he had a very interesting life and his reminiscences are worth reading. Of course he’s an Unperson today.
@TJ:
People’s Tribune… I agree… but it’s a long bumpy road from the Gracchi to Augustus… kind of road which bumped out many miles of entrails and knocked off a plethora of heads.
Sulla with Big Data and AI?… No need to try to imagine what that looks like: China.
“Something the American Left has, and has earned, is confidence in the face of long odds. … The Right could learn a thing or two from the Left.” – huxley
The Left learned it from Christian martyrs.
Many on the Right appear to have forgotten the lessons.
And the Left could learn a thing or two from the Mafia….
(“Could”?)
^^^ Now that would be Cultural Appropriation.
*Adjusts Bow Tie and Takes a Bow*
Seriously, neo? You believe the country is damaged *beyond repair*?
I’m with JJ. I think we can still take it back. Not with guns, but with hard work.
As far as the civil war goes, I think we’re already in it. I don’t think it will become an armed conflict. The Left understands that we have all the guns. That’s why they are fighting an information war. They are trying to erase us by making us invisible. There is no need to allow that to happen. As JJ says, we can strengthen our cultural institutions, and create new ones. We can take education back — the homeschool movement has gotten a huge boost from the over-reactions to the virus, and there is a new push to allow more charter schools, and people learn what the public schools are really about and who controls them (power, and the teachers unions). We can fix the election process. We can elect better leaders. There are positive changes taking place along these lines already — look at all the young conservative women who were just elected to the House! And there are several good new conservative news publications and channels, as others have pointed out; this will only grow.
I’m not saying it will be easy or fast. To really take the country back to its founding principles will take longer than my lifetime, maybe several generations. But I think it is possible, and I think we should try.
}}} Obviously, I hope it doesn’t come to something like that – call it civil war, call it what you will.
Oh, trust me, Neo, I truly concur with both facets.
I do find the argument that we’ve been involved in a civil COLD war for decades to be particularly lucid. It may well be that the time has come to go hot.
Because Biden has been open about his gun confiscation policies, and you can damned sure bet the merdia AND FB AND twitter AND most of the other corporate-left social media will openly and completely suppress — and be ready to do so ahead of time — if he sends out authorities to begin such a grab.
And that is something that cannot be allowed to happen.
But if it starts, it’s going to start quietly and be widespread, with as many people involved as possible who are fully complicit with the idea.
You will hear rumors, but hard-to-find confirmation, because they will damned sure shut down all discussion of it, public and private.
Not enough people are switching off of FB and twitter fast enough. We need an uncontrolled, unconstrained soap box for our own safety’s sake as a republic, or we will be as helpless as a hundred other nations, and you can damned sure bet that the revolution will have come — the French revolution, with its purges and chaos and anarchy.
Which is, after all, exactly what certain groups, like Soros, want.
And what all too many damnfool idiot “Americans”, think they want… being “useful idiots” to people like Soros.
}}} Remember, our Civil War was fought between two governments.
Wow. You two are really really major fucking idiots. Capital I – D – I – O – T – S
1) Wars are initiated by governments. They are FOUGHT by PEOPLE. More critically, they are WON by PEOPLE. This lesson was just taught — once again — by a smallish, impoverished nation against the two most powerful nations in the world, in the last 50 years.
2) You seem to assume that the counties — and even the states — will obey the diktat of the Federal executive. Pretty willing to bet that at least 10-15 states will be in open revolt. Pretty sure that literally THOUSANDS of counties will be in open revolt.
Will it take time to get organized? Sure. But it’ll happen. We have an entire DECADE of retired military who has seen every #$%$%^%# guerilla trick in the book thrown at a modern military.
Sure, that’s “my opinion”. And you have “your opinion”. Mine is based on knowing — and trusting — people. Yours is based on a dismissive attitude colored by your own self-examination and the lack of character you find there.
Time will tell which of us is correct.
}}} When 10 guys in bullet proof vests bang on your door for the mandatory gun buyback … and you answer the door in PJs with your wife and kids wandering behind you unawares… sorry there aren’t so many martyrs in the US. We need smarter ideas.
Oh, I’m sorry… were you expecting everyone to detail out any plans or preparations made to deal with that scenario ahead of time? Because, you know, none of us can possibly have thought of that scenario ahead of time, can we?
Join your predecessors in earning the prestigious Capital I – D – I – O – T award. Bravo. You have earned all the derisive vitriol you get.
}}} But the Crown didn’t have China as an ally during that unpleasantness, so…….
Mrrrr… not so sure about China-as-ally to a Biden government. They’d much rather see the USA distracted from anything they might do by internecine turmoil.
And Biden is a puppet, but Harris is a bitch. I suspect the first time a Chinese official sniffed at her PotUShood as a black woman, or even “just” as a woman, there’d be a backlash the likes of which they would not enjoy. So again, it’s quite possible they would encourage turmoil by providing arms to the people.
And Dems love wars, as long as they start them. The only time they hate war is when a Republican sets out to WIN IT.
Kentucky Packrat, thank you very much.
And all you optimists, thank you too. (I hope I’m wrong.)
On the Spanish Civil War, you might want to check out this guy:
https://www.ahlloyd.com/
This is his book on the Spanish Civil War (I hate it that it’s Amazon; sorry):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08D4H31VG/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0
He is very harsh on Beevor, BTW.
One thing, as some have pointed out, any civil war here and now would not resemble events like Lexington or Manassas. Mostly it would be like Afghanistan. And that is a problem for the central government, if it’s widespread. If there’s only one Ruby Ridge, they can handle it. But too many, well, that’s a different story. (I have no idea if this WILL happen, only that if it does, that’s how it would go.)
And one other thing has been in my mind. In the Tianamen protests, the Chinese found they had a problem in that the first troops they sent in were extremely reluctant to shoot the protesters. Turns out, they were locally recruited. Later, they sent in some from further away, who had no such scruples. (The latter had been British policy in the Empire days.)
Now, the first troops sent would be akin to our National Guard, the latter more like the Army itself. But there is another problem for the feral government. China, at the time, had had 40 years of Maoism leading up to that. We don’t have anything on that scale. Bad, yes, but the Long March here doesn’t compare to the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. While I don’t doubt that the vast majority of the higher ranks would fall in line, there is a legit question about lower ranks.
I do not profess to know the answers. But I am skeptical of all who profess to know better.
Peaceful protests now – so many, in so many places, that many are inconvenience.
For most Americans, “inconvenience” is painful.
That’s one key reason so many Americans are not unhappy with the ease of voting by mail-in votes. It’s the easiest, most convenient way for an anonymous vote. Just about the only thing easier is a voluntarily non-secret vote by email / fax.
The Reps have been half-sleeping for decades now. In terms of mild culture, America First folk are a giant. And in terms of going to Trump rallies. Are they ready to protest stolen elections? Probably a lot of them are.
A GIANT number of them? Probably not until after it is “too late” to avoid Biden being sworn in – tho limited Martial Law until new elections from a SC decision should be among the 0.1% possible outcomes, with calls for legislatures to not certify or to decertify elections at maybe 1% Hail Mary outcomes.
We should be working towards support of Trump now, and preparing the organizations for afterwards. Win or lose/ accept being cheated.
Commenting here is more interesting, so far, than on Parler, or MeWe, but conservatives need to do more of both.
Those for whom switching social media habits is “too difficult” (inconvenient? uninteresting at first), are unlikely to be giants awakened.
Eeyore and Gringo:
Gringo had a recommended history of the Spanish Civil War but I forgot to capture it and it is lost in the interwebs. If he reposts it that would be much appreciated.
What to do with my B&N gift card ….?
OBH;
Harris, like Biden is a puppet. She is also a “slept my way to the top” kinda gal. She would bend to China with no problem. The leaders in both parties are beholden to China. They really do not care about the Country they are elected to serve.
I believe that the US has the majority of brave, smart, and wonderful people. I believe “the people” will take the Country back. But I do think certain groups within our borders want to destroy the US. These groups, like similar groups before them, will be taken down. “Wokeism” is too ignorant to survive. In time People will stop believing in the Left’s message. For example; “Me Too”?
The following scenario suggests itself:
SCOTUS divides narrowly and rejects the Texas Case, Biden takes office.
Biden resigns at some point. Harris appoints a successor but the successor is not confirmed, leaving the VP position vacant.
Trump starts a new media empire which does actual journalism and blasts the Swamp 24/7.
A GOP sweep in 2022 takes both houses with large majorities.
Harris is impeached and resigns or is removed and the new GOP Speaker becomes President.