Hispanics for Trump
In this mess of an election, the topic of fraud has dominated. And with good reason.
But other things happened in the election that are worthy of mention. Whether the trends will continue and will become significant in future elections is anyone’s guess – it depends in part, of course, on the extent of fraud in the future. But these things are worth looking at, especially those that represent changes that shatter common beliefs on the left (and right) about voter behavior.
For example, in Texas and Florida, states that for the most part seem to have been free of election fraud, Hispanics voted Republican in numbers far higher than previously seen [emphasis and remarks in brackets mine]:
The candidate we had been told was the embodiment of white identity politics [that is, Trump] lost support among white voters while gaining ground among members of America’s largest minority. The president of immigration restriction and parent-child border separation won more votes from Hispanic Americans in 2020 than he did in 2016.
And it wasn’t just Miami’s Cuban-Americans and Venezuelan-Americans, perhaps the most vocal cheerleaders for Hispanic Republicanism. Heavily Hispanic counties across the country moved away from the Democratic Party. According to a Financial Times average of exit poll data, Trump gained by eight percentage points among Hispanic voters. Other estimates put the shift in the double digits…
Nowhere was the Republicans’ Latino surge more pronounced than in the poor, heavily Hispanic, traditionally Democratic corner of South Texas where Perez had predicted that Biden would carry the state. In a string of economically, socially and politically neglected towns along the Mexican border, Republican support surged. These counties saw bigger swings towards the GOP than swings in either direction anywhere else in the United States.
How big? Very big:
The most dramatic shift of all was in Starr County, in the Rio Grande Valley, the most Hispanic county in the country, and one of the poorest. More than 95 per cent of the county is Latino. In 2012, Barack Obama won 86 per cent of the vote there. Four years later, Hillary Clinton won with a comfortable 79.1 per cent share of the vote. This year, Joe Biden managed just 52 per cent. Shifts of that scale are almost unheard of…
The article goes on to explain the reasons: many residents of this border area work for border patrol, customs, and the police. That may be true, but it was also true in 2016 and it did not translate into major voting shifts towards Trump back then. But more recently other things have changed, as this voter explains:
…[T]he issues that dominated [in 2020] were Democratic calls to defund the police, threats to the energy industry and, more surprisingly, the unlikely rapport between Trump and Mexican president Andrés Manuel López Obrador. Until 2016, Pat Saenz, a 57-year-old handyman and former high-school athletics coach, had always voted Democrat. When he voted for Trump four years ago, he split his ticket, opting for the Democratic candidates down the ballot. This time he voted Republican across the board and helped Barrera with the campaign, distributing Trump yard signs to other freshly emboldened Rio Grande Republicans.
I suggest you read the whole thing.
Can the traditionally shoot-itself-in-the-foot GOP capitalize on these changes? Again, I realize your answer might be “who cares, if fraud continues.” But I urge you to consider that if enormous numbers of Hispanic – and black – voters come to see that the Democrats do not have their good interests in mind, the right will make gains so large that it might become more and more difficult for fraud to make a difference or even to be committed.
This is part of why the Biden “victory” is not credible.
All very nice these ‘Republican Hispanics’.
Now can anyone see potential problems with having *both* parties pimping themselves out to an alien (not so tiny, this time) minority?
I’d respectfully suggest that Conservatives, should they actually wish to do any conserving, focus their attentions on the Republicuck Dolchstoss of slipping in approval of ONE MILLION Indian H-1Bs while everyone is preoccupied with election fraud. People should literally hang for this betrayal.
I read an article a several weeks ago that contended that Republicans were getting a significant boost in Florida because of Columbian Americans.
The claim was that after decades of strife in Columbia at the hands of FARC narco-terrorists, the crackdown (with Uribe?) had improved things greatly. However, the last couple decades have shown the Democrats to be aligned with the thugs and the Republicans with a Columbian law and order government. So much so, that according to the article, Columbian gov. officials were actively campaigning and/or spending advert. dollars in Florida in favor of Trump.
I have talked with many blacks and hispanics. These people are not Republican voters but TRUMP VOTERS. Ie. if Trump is not on the ticket they will stay home or go back to their Democrat habits. Trump spoke for them and not at them. Particularly to the black male.
So unless the Republican party turns to a national populist party then these votes will melt away. Just like the black vote disappeared from Hillary in 2016. They just couldn’t be bothered to vote for pale white uni-party wanna-bees.
Ron DeSantis would carry these votes if he runs in 2024. Not Rubio or Cruz or Hailey. Jim Jordan has because he speaks their viewpoint.
I am Sparticus has the right of it.
But if Biden gets in, it won’t matter because the dems will manufacture whatever amount of votes are needed to ‘win’. So there will always be enough Congressional democrat votes to obstruct any effort at reining in the fraud. Ideological fanatics do not willingly agree to a peaceful transfer of power.
I am Spartacus,
Yup. Obama, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Trump… Their appeal with many had little to do with party.
It stands to reason. A Populist President is popular.
Zaphod
Now can anyone see potential problems with having *both* parties pimping themselves out to an alien (not so tiny, this time) minority?
You don’t know much about Texas. There are quite a few Texans of Hispanic background whose ancestors were in Texas before Stephen F. Austin established the Texas colony. A.K.A. Tejano. There are at least 2 Tejanos in my HOA. (condos, not hundreds of suburban houses, so the number is not trivial). One traced ancestry to a Converso in Monterrey. Another HOA member had grandparents who 100 years ago fled the violence of the Mexican Revolution- 10% of the population killed. Not exactly alien.
A further point is that there are quite a few Hispanics against open borders.
A further point is that the intermarriage rate of Hispanics with “Anglos” is about 35%- less and less alien every year.
¿Me entendés? ¿Me entiendes?
TommyJay
I read an article a several weeks ago that contended that Republicans were getting a significant boost in Florida because of Columbian Americans.
That could be. ( Colombians, BTW).
One would expect that similarly, Venezuelans fleeing the corrupt Marxist dictatorship of Maduro and friends would also be voting Republican. However, Venezuelans have been accustomed for a century to the paternalism of the petrostate, distributing oil dollars among the population. As such, many Venezuelans who are against Chavismo/Maduro are also leftists and love big government. Consider Francisco Toro, founder and former editor of the opposition blog Caracas Chronicles.
Caracas Chronicles:As Trump Cries Fraud with No Evidence, Venezuelans Remember and Shudder. Francisco Toro dislikes Fidel Castro, Nicolas Maduro, Hugo Chavez- and also dislikes Donald Trump. Mr. Toro is also a graduate of Reed College, so one should not be surprised at his dislike of Republicans.
Gringo,
My wife is the child of immigrants, although not from Mexico. She and her parents very much want(ed) strict border control, as do all legal immigrants I know personally. People who assume all foreign born Americans want open borders must not know many foreign born Americans.
@Gringo
Actually I *do* know that which you refer to.
It’s all very nice if some nth generation Hispanics in Texas, NM, Arizona are less than thrilled with a tidal wave of drug-dealing human sacrificing horrors from Oaxaca, Chiapas and points further South crossing the border and eviscerating them in their own front yards. I totally get their feeling.
I’m concerned about typical Republicuck response to these relatively teeny tiny data points being to go all in on pandering to the wider Hispanic vote and convincing themselves that this is a smart thing to be doing. It’s not.
I have a gut feeling that the “BLM factor” (with a huge “assist” from antifa) has a lot to do with it (just “a feeling”, though)….
Oh, and there’s ALWAYS the “Obama factor”:
“Obama criticises Hispanic voters who picked Trump”
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55081852
(Yep, Obama, with his finger on the pulse of the nation…as acute as ever….)
@Barry Meislin:
First order of Hispanic gang business is always to ethnically cleanse their neighborhoods of Blacks. So I’m sure you’re onto something here.
Perhaps if the Pritzkers gave Obama another Billion or so he could find a more convincing explanation.
The optics, my dear fellow, the optics…
And in related news…Mr. Fantasy just can’t keep his mouth shut:
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/obama-blames-fox-news-limbaugh-losing-connection-he-had-conservatives
Barry Meislin:
Mr. Fantasy, as you appropriately call him, has it dead wrong on this score. (So what’s new?). He did not win conservative votes because of any supposed “connection”. And he did not lose those same votes because of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News.
The fact is that as the nation’s first black presidential candidate, Mr. Obama won a lot of votes from people who said “well it’s time for a black president,” or “I’m gonna prove I’m not racist.” So they voted in 2008 for Obama. By 2012, they realized their earlier vote had not earned them any points with the militantly liberal crowd, so they went back to their earlier voting habits.
I have talked to a number of people — conservatives who voted for Obama the first time but not the second — who tell this exact story. Rush Limbaugh had nothing to do with the phenomenon.
Well, I—personally—wouldn’t take him all that seriously. (He does seem to have a knack for saying the most outlandish things.)
In this case, I think he’s just trying to justify having gone after Fox News when he was POTUS, though Fox certainly deserved it (they shouldn’t have criticized him, no that should not have)….
…After all, the man’s a perfectionist….
mr del toro, is about a month behind the times, we saw what happened when the opposition participated, and when it didn’t, when it succeeded the regime created an alternate assembly
an update
https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2020/12/08/a-non-exhaustive-list-of-winners-and-losers-from-the-legislative-election/