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Postal ballots in Georgia: PO boxes, Republican ballots gone astray, and signature matching

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Georgia is ground zero right now, not only because of the election fraud investigations being done and cases that are being filed, but because of the two runoffs scheduled for January. They could determine the entire future of the nation, and that’s not hyperbole at all. If the Senate goes, all bets are off – although all bets might be off even if the GOP wins one or both of those seats. We are on perilous ground for the foreseeable future. But without those Georgia seats, it’s very bleak.

And you can bet that any sort of fraud that isn’t prohibited and effectively prevented before then will be attempted in January. The stakes are that high, and the money is flowing to the Democrats.

Here are two articles on what is alleged to have gone down in the November 3rd election. The first involves post office boxes, among other things:

[About a thousand] people registered and voted in Georgia using addresses of postal facilities or businesses, while making it look like they were residential addresses, according to a former Trump campaign official whose team analyzed the states’ voter data.

The addresses listed on the voter rolls included information that didn’t make sense for the actual locations, but on paper made the addresses look like residential ones, according to information published by Matt Braynard, former data and strategy director for President Donald Trump’s 2016 election campaign.

“Georgia: We have identified over a thousand early/abs votes cast by individuals whose registered addresses are in fact at post offices, UPS, and FedEx locations, wilfully disguising the box numbers as ‘Apt,’ ‘Unit,’ etc.,” he said in a Nov. 22 tweet…

Braynard previously reported that large percentages of registered Republicans in several battleground states said they returned their absentee ballots, even though the states’ data indicated they hadn’t.

Of the 1,137 Pennsylvania GOP voters reached by telephone who did request a ballot, nearly 42 percent said they mailed the ballots back, although state data shows the ballots weren’t received or counted, he said…

In Arizona, 50 percent of Republican voters reached over the phone had the same story, as well as 44 percent in Georgia, nearly 33 percent in Michigan, and 20 percent in Wisconsin.

What happened to these ballots? That’s a huge percentage in many states. And even if those voters subsequently voted in person, it seems to me that the “missing” ballots could have been used by other people (or “people”) to vote for Biden.

And then there’s signature matching, something mentioned in this post of mine from earlier today:

Trump and his campaign have repeatedly complained that the risk-limiting audit was meaningless without an examination of the signatures on the ballot envelopes.

“President Trump and his campaign continue to insist on an honest recount in Georgia, which has to include signature-matching and other vital safeguards,” Trump’s legal team said in a statement Saturday. “Without signature-matching, this recount would be a sham and again allow for illegal votes to be counted.”

“If there is no signature-matching, this would be as phony as the initial vote count and recount. Let’s stop giving the people false results. There must be a time when we stop counting illegal ballots. Hopefully it’s coming soon,” the statement continued…

Sterling said however that an audit to check the signature matching of local officials wouldn’t be easy but could be feasible if there is evidence it’s needed. Signatures on envelopes could be checked by auditors against signatures on voters’ registrations.

It will be unconscionable if signature matching isn’t done. But even if it is done, and many envelopes and/or applications have the wrong signatures, there is no way to match those with the ballots that went with them because we don’t use identifying numbers or codes or anything of the sort. So we have the problem of figuring out what the remedy would be if the number of invalid ballots is found to be significant. I don’t think any court would be ordering a new presidential election in the state – even though in Georgia, an election is going to be happening in early January for those Senate seats. The whole thing is maddening, and it’s the reason I’ve said that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

What can be done about January? Already it is said that there has been a record number of absentee ballot requests for the runoffs in Georgia: 788 thousand. How many are valid? How many are to PO boxes? Will signature matching be available if there’s a challenge?

Is anyone working in this now to ensure election integrity?

And every Republican legislature in the country must focus on tightening election laws for the next cycle, or all is lost. Democratic legislatures will be working to make the loose laws more permanent and even loosen them further, of that you can almost certainly be sure.

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Postal ballots in Georgia: PO boxes, Republican ballots gone astray, and signature matching — 68 Comments

  1. Georgia is a key worry in early January. And this skein of obstacles is such a mess to follow.

    But there are several stories with positive potential today, including a hold on counting or certifying votes in Pennsylvania by a judge.

    Hearings of vote fraud in Nevada may make a real dent on that state’s close election, and likewise Wisconsin.

    THE difference is 20,000 votes in WI, and a group alleges that 150,000 fraudulent ballots have been identified. Could the lawful vote get the victory call reversed?

    JustTheNews has a quick look at nearly all these stories, like the last one, here https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/group-files-emergency-petition-wisconsin-after-finding-potentially-150000

    With Georgia on my mind, let’s reread neo’s thoughts. Such deliberate chaos was sought there. It’s easy to believe there are no good quick remedies.

    The only one that can be done quickly is poll watching and bi-partisan vote counting.

    Does anyone know if this remedy has good potential?

  2. These elections are for federal offices? Why aren’t the DOJ and FBI in there doing all that they can to stop fraud?

    DOJ has a “voting rights” division but apparently they’re asleep.

    Very, very disappointed in Barr and Wray. Yes, the states run the elections but this is a federal matter.

  3. The fact that Democratic money is flowing into Georgia is simply evidence that votes are, in effect, bought. Mind, I have donated to both Perdue and Loeffler campaigns, but I have been besieged with daily texts ever since asking for more $.

    Fraud is afoot in Georgia, with 788,000 absentee ballots already requested. The putatively GOP governor and GOP Sec. of State are doing nothing about it. Fraud? What fraud?

    As you know, I have long posted here that we are dealing with evil and its enablement (which you deny exists among your Trump-hating, evidence-ignoring, otherwise well-informed friends and relatives, Neo) and the death of the American Republic. As Georgia goes, so goes the nation. But even if both Senators win, despite frauds, we still have Romney, Collins, and Murkowski as potential defectors.

    The Long March thru the Institutions has succeeded. Gramsci triumphs! The Ship of State is capsizing into icy, killing waters just like the Titanic.

  4. Today is Kraken Day, although what will happen with Sidney Powell’s latest lawsuit remains to be seen. It seems as though many on the right have given up on the formidable lawyer, but the evidence available suggests both that she is highly ethical and that she would hardly be endangering her reputation with frivolous claims. The situation in GA is also highly fraught concerning the run-off in January, with leftists highly energized and awash with funds from outside the state, while many Republicans, dismayed with the weak and feckless GOP, may well be less inclined than usual to turn out for Perdue and Loeffler. Living in “interesting times” seems indeed to be a curse.

  5. Cicero:

    I think that plenty of evil is afoot in the left and among Democratic activists in this election. The fact that I think that group doesn’t include my friends, who are far more the “useful idiot” type, does not mean I don’t think it exists and is driving the entire thing.

  6. Just had a talk with one of my best friends about how the Post Office wouldn’t refund her money because USPS didn’t satisfy next day delivery guaranty. This is just symptomatic of larger problems.

    Twenty years or so ago, people wouldn’t even think about cheating in an election. People were honest. People had integrity. Twenty years ago we didn’t have car break-ins and thefts like we do now in Omaha. I’ve had two break-ins on my car this year.

    Last week I got into it on Twitter with a second year law student at Creighton and with the Dean. This student was trying to start Antifa-BLM riots in Omaha. He has over 5k followers on Twitter and he kept tweeting, “Black man killed in Omaha traffic stop.”

    For three nights, there were protests at OPD HQ. A few arrests. it could have turned ugly. They marched in the streets.

    But this law student omitted the fact that #KennethBrown was told multiple times by the cops to show his hands and he disobeyed. The other three passengers did obey. The guy was going for his gun. The police yanked him out of the car and somehow one cop gets his hand on the loaded .45 in Brown’s pants.

    The cop pulls away and before Mr. Brown can fire his gun, he shoots him three times. And then does CPR on him.

    Brown had served 3 years in the state pen for being a felon in possession of a gun. He also had a vial of PCP in his possession. This guy refused to obey the law.

    But the Creighton Law student tried to start a riot with a totally false narrative that an innocent black guy was just gunned down in a wrongful traffic stop by the cops. He used the word “murdered.” His followers then alleged murder and execution by the cops.

    My point is that there is no way a Creighton law student would be so activist, careless and irresponsible 20 years ago. And there is no way the Dean would be proud of this guy.

    If we don’t have the rule of law in this country, we are finished. In the old days, the Dems still believed in the rule of law and had some honor. Now it’s: Win by any means necessary.

  8. As I wrote about extensively (likely more extensively than anyone cared to read) on neo’s prior post about election integrity; with nothing to tie votes to voters fraud can occur rather easily, no matter how many safeguards are put in place on the front end.

    If one bad actor throws a bunch of ballots in the tallying room, or three extra boxes are found on the floor, or… Even if we know there are too many ballots and some are fake, how to decide which are real and which are frauds? In other words, even if we know there is fraud after the election how do we know which ones to throw out? Just as the example neo gives regarding Georgia; once mail in ballots are separate from their envelopes (and they have to be separated) and mixed in with other ballots all bets are off.

  9. “Twenty years or so ago, people wouldn’t even think about cheating in an election. People were honest. People had integrity. ”

    Ahh, but 20 years ago the “need” to rid the country of those evil conservatives and Republicans wasn’t as great as it is now. As such, remember BAMN. That justifies anything they do with no moral qualms.

    I’ve given up….they’ve won. There’s nothing I can do personally to affect any of these outcomes. I am just going to try and survive. I’ve voted, and have my CT pistol permit, if that law even exists in 3 months, and we are trying to sell and move to Florida. We’ve got plenty of ammo, and we both know how to use the weapons. There’s no point in petitioning idiots like Blumenthal and Murphy here in CT. Like I said I can’t change the course of this raging river. I can only just hold on and hope we don’t sink. I see either re-education camps and a socialist economy, or CW2 in a year or so. Very depressing, but there it is.

  10. The Omaha sketch is entirely symptomatic of what we have been reduced to.
    Numerous cities, all the same story.
    Blacks are fundamentally more violent.
    Black-on-black murder is very high but is ignored, especially by Barack Hussein Obama, who used to “organize” in Southside Chicago, where bullets fly daily now.

  11. I really went OT but you should see my four page letter with footnotes!

    Neo, asks about the remedy. The remedy is clear and, thankfully, the Founders put it right in the constitution. When the tally is corrupt and can’t be fixed, then the state legislatures simply elect the Electoral College electors for the candidate that got cheated. Simple.

    Another remedy is for the federal courts to hold that the election was unconstitutional. That would be the legal “hook” that the state legislatures can hang their hat on.

    I saw somewhere on the net (from a reliable source) that General George McCellan tried to steal the 1864 election from Lincoln with mail-in ballots. The people that ran the plot supposedly got life in prison.

    And check out Eric Coomer with Dominion. He’s Antifa and is in charge of security at Dominion. He promised that Trump would lose. Michelle Malkin has some stuff on Coomer. He’s the key. Doctorate in nuke physics from Cal-Berkley

  12. Cornhead:

    Let me clarify what I’m trying to get at when I ask “what’s the remedy?” I don’t mean to literally ask what the possibilities for a remedy might be. What I mean is “what’s the remedy that the courts would be willing to apply?” Simply and crudely put, I don’t think they have the balls to apply the fairly extreme remedies that are available.

  13. physicsguy:

    One thing you can do is give money in Georgia.

    I also disagree about cheating thoughts twenty years ago. There’s been election cheating ever since ballots were invented. The difference now is that it’s more coordinated (I think that the internet makes that much easier) and that COVID gave them a big excuse for mail-in ballots and absentee voting rules relaxations, and that gave them far more scope for fraud. It is much much harder to commit widespread fraud in an election that is predominantly in person. Easier and more common in small local elections with a small number of voters. But fraud on that smaller scale has been carried out for a long time.

    Of course, the motivation has increased, as well as the amorality and the “ends justify the means” philosophy.

  14. Rufus T. Firefly:

    Other countries that use some degree of mail-in voting (Great Britain) have a system where special barcodes are used on the ballots and the envelopes, and after the separation the envelopes are locked away (with the process viewed by observers from both sides). They are never reunited again unless an audit is done, in which case they are matched. We do not have such a system because of concerns for voter privacy. But that leaves us open to massive massive fraud.

  16. Meanwhile, back in PA:
    “That was one helluva hearing. Now we know why they didn’t want it to happen.”
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1331703723924410371
    H/T Lee Smith twitter feed.

    + this:
    “Lots of witness testimony. Rudy confirmed that they have at least three whistleblowers from inside the fraud who are waiting to come forward when they feel their families are safe.”
    https://twitter.com/mooproxy/status/1331704134538579970

    “Safe”.
    Think about it. Let it sink in.

  17. Cornhead,

    “If we don’t have the rule of law in this country, we are finished.”

    Quite possibly but not necessarily. If the democrats finally eliminate the rule of law for themselves, it can be reestablished. But only by Civil War for politics will have become a one way street. Tragically, when politics have so corrupted the rule of law as to be an utter travesty then, “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable – a most sacred right…”

    But when faced by corrupt power that is willing to enforce its rule through force of arms, as the left is manifestly willing to do, then only one recourse remains, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

    The greater the evil, the greater the sacrifice demanded from good people.

  18. I agree Neo, that the urge to cheat was just as strong 20 years ago, and as far back as you can imagine. A couple of things have changed, of course.

    One is that voting controls to secure the vote have been loosened extensively, allegedly in the interest of not suppressing the vote–and I do mean the Black vote.

    Secondly, technology has made it easier to hide massive fraud.

    Of course technology can be harnessed to fight fraud. All it takes is the will. I was not aware of the UK’s use of bar codes on mail in ballots. Interesting. Back when the discussion started, I suggested as a simple fix, that a PIN be assigned to each requested ballot–and the ballot had to be requested. When returned, the ballot had to display the PIN which would be verified against a master list (which would remain anonymous). Someone suggested a bar code rather than a PIN.

  20. physicsguy,

    I’ve given up….they’ve won. There’s nothing I can do personally to affect any of these outcomes.

    You can “misbehave” doing so in a manner in which they can’t identify you.

    ” I see either re-education camps and a socialist economy, or CW2 in a year or so.”

    Along with gun confiscation, re-education camps are a trigger wire for CW2. That is a depressing prospect but they will have brought it upon themselves. As those who bring war into our country by attempting to extinguish the tree of liberty “deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.”

  21. Physicsguy,

    As a native New Englander (Massachusetts) and fellow academic, I understand and share your pain. Both places–New England and academe–are basically hopeless. I just read that the governor of Vermont (!) has gone full Pavel Morozov and is encouraging schoolchildren to inform on their parents if they violated his restrictions on Thanksgiving get-togethers. As for Massachusetts, Bay Staters love having the boot of Big Government stomping on their faces. Occasionally they will bitch about this or that outrage, but in the same way that Soviet citizens used to complain to the newspapers about favoritism in the local Committee for the Distribution of Living Space or the unexplained disappearance of an item from the shelves of State Grocery Store No. 4. “Could it be that Comrade Store Manager X is diverting produkty to her own, so to speak, circle of acquaintances? We call on the Party to investigate! Unleash the chekisty!” They complain, but in truth they love that sh*t. They love ratting each other out to the organs of state security. I used to hear depressing stories from my old neighbors in western Mass. even before COVID. It’s worse now. They think it represents good governance. And of course many of them are themselves state employees. You are right to be looking at getting out.

    That’s just one part of the country, however. I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that the correlation of forces in the country as a whole favors the Left.

    Take a look at the electoral map. Apart from the thin blue crusts on the coasts and some of the southwestern border, New England (and there are red/purple enclaves even there), parts of NY-NJ, and the blue pustules of major cities and college towns in the interior, the map is solid red. Red states and counties control this country’s food, its energy infrastructure, its transportation network, and its manufacturing base. Red America makes things. Red America grows things. Red America moves things from place to place. Red America still supplies most of the people in our armed forces.

    A few words about another essential ingredient: will. I attended a stop-the-steal rally in the capital of my Deep South state a couple of Saturdays ago. Attendance was sparse–maybe 200-250 people tops. Hardly any professional folks in the crowd. Lots of camo, service patches, American flags, and Trump banners. Most of the speakers were not polished or politically savvy. References to personal religious faith and the Bible were frequent. I’m guessing the average educational level was high school and maybe some community college or service-related training. But what I saw and heard convinced me that these people are willing to die to protect their way of life. Unlike us white-collar professionals, they don’t have a lot to lose. And they’re not afraid. What they need is a rallying point. Trump is the obvious one. That’s why the Left is so intent on destroying him. I can think of some other political figures who fit the bill. One of them just got a full presidential pardon, and he has military experience.

    We pay too much attention to the commentariat and people who parse the commentariat’s effusions. There is another America out there. You saw some of it at the impromptu Trump rallies before the election. It’s big, it’s pissed, it’s armed, and it’s spoiling for a fight. Don’t think the Left doesn’t know that. It’s their next target.

  22. I am concerned about this, too. I hope I am wrong, but I get the feeling that the GOP is not being aggressive in attempting to resolve the potential fraud issues that may occur in Georgia in January. Perhaps they know something we do not. To the Democrats, its never over until they win. The Republicans do not have those genetics, plain and simple, and it may ruin us. This is why I am now finding myself more sympathetic to the Republican oriented voters who are a bit more extreme than the old guard.

  23. https://twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1331716582817505281

    This is totally nuts—PA comes off as some kind of rogue, or autistic, political entity that has ensured and enshrined that unconstitutional laws may lawfully be considered “constitutional”, in which case Trump may not have a chance…:
    https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/11/25/analysis-pennsylvania-judge-blocks-election-certification-over-constitutionality-of-mail-in-voting-n285123

    Read the whole thing, but….
    Key grafs:
    “…it strikes me as odd — as a legal matter — that a legislature can place some meaningful time limit on the ability of litigants to challenge the constitutionality of legislation. If it was unconstitutional when passed, it doesn’t become constitutional by virtue of the passage of time…

    “… I am again scratching my head over the idea that a legislature can pass, and a governor can sign an unconstitutional law, but no one has standing to bring that to the attention of the courts to seek redress because all citizens of Pennsylvania are equally burdened?”

  24. They always cheat if they think they need to and they think they can do it unnoticed. The problem is with calibration. In 2016 they didn’t cheat enough because they had convinced themselves they didn’t need to. This year they pulled out all the stops. COVID handed them a wonderful excuse to remove even more of the limits that make fraud difficult. Knowing this they went big. Knowing the media and big tech would gladly help them gaslight us. They stopped counting in the middle of the night when they knew how much they needed to get. Then they brought them in. They hand waved and told us the patter like any good slight of hand magician does. Barnes is correct that what we need to do is make them show the corruption of the incoming ballots, mail in signatures etc. Then we need the SCOTUS to say that voting in person on the day is the only way for equal protection to be met.

  26. “What I mean is “what’s the remedy that the courts would be willing to apply?” Simply and crudely put, I don’t think they have the balls to apply the fairly extreme remedies that are available.” neo

    I think that probable, given that at least some members of the S.C., of whom Roberts is foremost will base their opinion upon evidence having to be unequivocally proven and will ignore the mathematically impossibility of vote totals and circumstantial evidence that demonstrates the impossibility of an honest election.

    That will render a 5 to 4 ruling in favor of tyranny.

    They’ll insist upon the letter of the law and rape its spirit.

    “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others.

    I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

  27. Practically speaking, I’m not sure how much Republicans can do about fraud in upcoming Senate elections in Georgia.

    Republicans can tap many more ballot watchers, which would be a good thing, but how much can they do about current mail-in ballot regulations, etc?

  30. Neo:

    Not to brag, but I actually know two federal judges here in NE fairly well. One’s a Dem and the other is really apolitical but GOP. The Dem (former chairman of the NE party) somehow found same sex marriage legal way before even MA. Reversed by the 8th Circuit, but he did take the leap. Bold.

    The other federal judge I know is just an excellent guy and lawyer. He would do what the law requires. Not really a question of guts. I’d like to think most federal judges are that way. They do have life tenure.

    BTW, I’ve seen his federal judicial commission signed by Obama. Impressive!

  31. I agree that I have an icky feeling that the Supreme Court will not wade into this mess in a meaningful way. I think they hated being forced into the election 2000, and can console themselves with the thought that everyone, well; all the important people, hate Trump anyway.

    OTOH, here is a article on how the Dems got an election redo in district NC-09 based on a thin claim of illegal ballot harvesting. The Dems made the claim that once the small number of potentially tainted ballots are mixed in, they can’t subsequently be separated and removed.

  34. And twitter does what twitter does best:
    “BREAKING: Twitter has suspended COL @dougmastriano
    after leading the PA Senate Hearing today about election fraud”
    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1331756986707415040
    H/T Jeff Carlson twitter feed.

    Which makes this perfectly undertandable:
    “Twitter is actively suppressing the significance of what happened today in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.”
    https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1331715999138279428

    Which segues nicely with this report of Stasi-style tactics from Vermont:
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/vermont-schools-will-grill-students-on-their-thanksgiving-celebrations-governor-announces

    En route to a perfect storm?

  36. Well, I did it – donated to both GA campaigns in equal measure tonight. I had no particular reason to hold out, just had other things to get done first.

    This election has been expensive for me. I’ve donated much, much more to many more candidates than I have in any previous race. The only one in which I ended up backing a winner on Election Day itself (so far) was Peter Meijer in Michigan. I grew up in Fred Upton’s district, but still, West Michigan and all. I wish John James had managed the upset, but I don’t regret that donation at all. In fact, in his last post-election message, I saw a lot of good – really a lot. I don’t regret any of my donations, in fact.

  37. Philip, for all we know John James was the legitimate winner.
    He certainly looks, and sounds, impressive to me.

    And who knows if this might be overturned once all the dust has settled….

    The whole thing’s an utter disgrace.

  39. I have to ask: How does anyone actually verify a signature on a mail-jn ballot?

    Not a standard Absentee ballot where the voter requests the ballot by making application, but the general mail-in version that some jurisdictions mailed out to every voter on the rolls, real or imaginary, dead or alive. The blanket mailing group has no exemplar signature to compare to.

    For example, Nevada. I read well before the election that they mailed out ballots to every-swinging-Richard on the rolls… and that they had around 250,000 — a quarter million — RETURNED to sender because the intended recipient had moved, never lived there, was unknown or was dead. The point was that not every misdirected ballot was returned, so who used those that were not? Where would the exemplar signature come from to determine the validity of the ballot?

  41. Another Mike:

    Presumably the exemplar signature is the one on your voter registration. I believe that’s how it is in Washington, and since the return envelope for your mail-in ballot has your name on it, they know which registration to check against.

  42. Here’s a PJMedia article on the Powell lawsuit Barry Meislin mentioned:
    ____________________________________________________

    Defense Attorneys Sidney Powell, Lin Wood and others have filed a lawsuit in Georgia demanding that the results of the 2020 election be set aside because of “massive election fraud” and foreign influence in the election. The lawsuit claims that 96,600 mail-in ballots “were fraudulently cast” and that “136,098 ballots were illegally counted as a result of improper manipulation of the Dominion software.”

    https://pjmedia.com/election/victoria-taft/2020/11/26/breaking-sidney-powell-releases-the-kraken-in-georgia-with-explosive-new-lawsuit-n1174691
    ____________________________________________________

    Unfortunately, to drill any further into the suit one must deal with a 104 page legal document or watch a verbose 42 minute YouTube. Which is something I have found consistently annoying throughout the election fraud story.

    If this is so all-fired important, it would be helpful to have a text version with links and formatted data, instead of throwing raw bricks of data over the internet transom with little notes attached, “Here. You figure it out.”

  43. Hubert,

    Thanks for your reply. I am probably tainted, first, until my retirement 2 years ago, from the last 20 years in the academy where I watched it morph from an educational institution to an indoctrination camp. I fought many battles over those years trying to stop the transformation only to be threatened not only with my job, but also my safety.

    Add to that, living the last 40 years in Connecticut. Like the academy I’ve watched this once great state transform from a place of innovation and home to such great companies as Colt, Pratt, Electric Boat, etc which are shadows of their former selves and really hanging on only due to Trump’s military investment, to a place where it was the ONLY state not to participate in the recent economic recovery (WSJ). A place where people regularly complain about the taxes, cost of living, highest electric rate in the country, and keep voting the Ds right back in.

    We have another couple who are our best friends and they just moved to SC. I can tell from talking to them it’s like they had a great weight lifted from them. I’m trying to get my wife to move our preparations along much more quickly so we can get out of here. The better weather will help, but just being in a place that’s not quite so insane I’m sure will help. “changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes”

  44. “changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes”

    physicsguy: Well, you cracked me up at least!

    Sometimes I complain how little resistance academia put up to the ongoing leftist onslaught. It’s an honor to meet someone who did.

    “If we couldn’t laugh, we would all go insane.”

  45. The Republic died a long time ago. We are just finding out about it now. Being and old person, I am very aware of how easy it is to deem elected officials idiots or perverse, kleptocratic, etc. and therefor to assume that you the bureaucrat or military officer must exercise your superior wisdom and intellect to save the nation from itself. But that dusty Constitution keeps getting in the way, so getting together with like minded others seems a good way out. Of course you, in spite of your vast knowledge, don’t know which of your fellows is on the take from a foreign power or ideological enemy. They’re just fine fellows who share their ideas and stolen power with you.
    Truly Trump’s super power is to remove the disguises of his enemies and make them reveal themselves. We the people suspected the deep state before – now they are flagrantly out there admitting what we just suspected before. Voting is not now and has not for some time been of any use. The figureheads on the top change, but our real rulers don’t. They have been joined/coopted by some rich folks whom they allow to think have power, but that is an illusion as well. Every day since DJT’s election has been full of horrifying disillusionment for me.

  47. neo,

    I wrote about barcodes in a prior post of yours, as I’m sure you remember. Sorry if I wasn’t more clear in my comment on this post, but I wasn’t stating it is not possible, just that in this election, with the processes used, it is not possible. Even if we learn there are more ballots than voters what can we do at this point (since we do not have that traceability), vis a vis this election? The only thing would be another election and I can’t imagine one state doing that, let alone five or more.

    The fix is in.

  48. physicsguy,

    About 25 years ago I had a good job offer in Florida. My wife and I were the two U.S. citizens least interested in living in Florida, but we moved our family there anyway because of the job opportunity. We ended up really liking it. Living there was very different than visiting as a tourist. I hope you and your wife also enjoy it!

  49. Hubert,

    Your comment about counties is what gives me most concern. A majority of Americans vote blue, and many want Socialism. But a majority of geographic regions vote red, and many want maximum independence. And those geographic regions are spread all over. It’s not like 1861 when the disagreement fell mostly along a line of latitude.

    We’ve got about 80% of the nation’s geographic regions wanting Federalism yet about 60% of the populace wants Socialism, or Socialism-lite, at a national level. How do we possibly reconcile that?

  50. Rufus T. Firefly,
    Our elections are so corrupt and our people so lied to, we don’t really know how much socialism we want. For example commie Kshama Sawant is not that well liked in Seattle and ended election night last year losing by something like 6-7%. By the end of the week, Voilà! A narrow win.

  51. The integrity of all vote by mail centers on the signature verification.

    Washington state has used vote by mail for the last 4 election cycles, and we’ve assumed (and have constantly been told by our betters) that the system is secure.

    But watch when the signatures are compared. The return envelopes have a bar code which is attached to the person whom the ballot has been sent. This pulls up a digitized signature, either from the voter registration card or the DOL driver’s license.

    But during that process there is no adversarial component making sure the signatures actually match. We’re just supposed to trust the integrity of the election workers doing the matching.

    The integrity component is a live stream which shows election workers verifying signatures– but you can’t actually see the signatures.

    Here they are at work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRZfJjv38k

    Why should I trust democrats in deep blue areas of the state? During the clip the narrator said that about 1% of the ballots are rejected, but the number is going down. Why would that happen? Every election cycle new voters enter the process and you would expect approximately the same errors to be made by the new voters or as voters age and change their signatures.

    At this point, I don’t trust any election. The only way to solve this is to go back to in person voting with voter ids. What chance are democrats ever going to allow that?

  52. Good old Jimmy Buffett. Born in Mississippi, grew up in Alabama.

    Physicsguy: I saw the same thing in Massachusetts. Famous manufacturing companies and mills shutting down, and the cities and towns that depended on them slowly dying. I have heard Connecticut residents say that the rot started with Gov. Lowell Weicker (a Republican, by the way, but in the Bush mold) and the introduction of a state income tax in 1991. Demographic changes also played a role in New England’s shift from partly but reliably red to deep blue. In any case, good luck with your move south. I think you’ll like it down here. Remember, though, that moving to a free state isn’t the end of the story. The free states will remain free only if they are prepared to defend their freedom against the encroachments of the Left. That’s why I said on a much earlier thread that the governors of free states that want to stay free had better be talking to their National Guard and state law enforcement agencies, plus the state departments of revenue. And the governors in other free states.

    Huxley: there are academics who have pushed back against the Left’s corruption of higher education. To name just a few: Bruce Gilley and Peter Boghossian at Portland State, Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State (before they ran him off), John Ellis at UC-Santa Cruz, Rachel Fulton Brown at UChicago, William Jacobson at Cornell, Amy Wax at Penn, Jason Hill at DePaul, Glenn Loury at Brown, Mark Bauerlein at Emory, and of course Jordan Peterson at UToronto. You can find other examples through the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), the National Association of Scholars (NAS), Minding the Campus, and Heterodox Academy. It’s a lonely and bruising battle, however. You can forget about finding allies among your colleagues. Most of them are on the other side, and those who aren’t are afraid to speak up. Moreover: at most colleges and universities, faculty willingly ceded real power to the administration years ago. That administration now consists of left-wing apparatchiks with PhDs in “higher education administration”. Colleges of Education are the source of the rot, and the rot is spreading to physicsguy’s old discipline and the other STEM disciplines through professors of “Science Education”, “Mathematics Education”, or “Engineering Education”. Trump’s Executive Order 13950 (“Combating Race and Sex Stereotyping”) from September 2020 could have been an effective weapon against all this, but it was issued too late in his administration to make a difference and will be rescinded immediately under a Biden/Harris/[Obama] administration. As things currently stand, the best way to strike a blow against what higher education has become is for parents to refuse to send their kids there.

    Rufus: actually, there is a fairly clear geographic division between the red and the blue states and red and blue counties within those states (e.g. in Oregon). It’s *roughly* by longitude, not latitude, with the Southeast, Texas, the heartland, the Great Plains states, and the Rocky Mountain states forming a red core. My response to your excellent question–“How do we possibly reconcile that?”–is: Start by recognizing that we probably can’t. The rift is too deep and it turns on irreconcilable differences. That has been the gist of my comments to Montage. If nothing else, this “election” has made clear that we need to have a national conversation about finding solutions short of civil strife. Extreme federalism, perhaps. Or separation. Or outright divorce. Other countries have done it: Switzerland, Belgium, the “velvet divorce” that produced the Czech Republic and Slovakia (where Tom Grey lives), or the recurring referendums on separatism in Canada (Quebec) and the UK (Scotland). How realistic is it in our case? Not very, I fear. But it’s worth a shot. Especially if the alternative is actual shooting.

  54. ” I have heard Connecticut residents say that the rot started with Gov. Lowell Weicker (a Republican, by the way, but in the Bush mold) and the introduction of a state income tax in 1991. ” 100% true! He definitely deserves the blame for starting Connecticut’s downward spiral.

    ” Colleges of Education are the source of the rot, and the rot is spreading to physicsguy’s old discipline and the other STEM disciplines …” Yep, it al stared there about 25 years ago, and then spread to the English departments, then the rest of the humanities. I was a member of NAS for quite awhile and attended a few conferences, but they are like the scene in Star Wars where Obi Wan is fighting Annikan by standing on pieces of metal sinking into the lava flow. Just as I retired the “forces” were already setting their sights on physics. We had several humanities faculty telling us how we must change our curriculum to be not racist. That included teaching non-white physics only. I never knew nature made a distinction how it operates based on race, but apparently it’s true! Also any use of mathematics is also now considered racist….sigh…..

  55. Chases Eagles —

    I had to kill a couple of hours the other night while I was flea-bombing the house, and since everything is closed I went for a random-walk drive. I ended up on the highway out of Renton through Maple Valley and Enumclaw and then looped around back through Sumner, Auburn, Renton, and then home to West Seattle.

    Imagine my surprise to see giant Trump/Pence signs on houses and fences out in extreme southeast King County.

  56. Colleges of Education are the source of the rot…

    Hubert: I think I see the problem.
    __________________________________________________

    [Bill] Ayers is a retired professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, formerly holding the titles of Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
    __________________________________________________

    I’m sure it’s something of an oversimplification. Nonetheless, after the Weather Underground dead-ended in domestic terrorism, obscure manifestos, factionalism and fugitive life, Bill Ayers intentionally set his sights on education and succeeded rather brilliantly.

    Bill Ayers, you magnificent bastard!

    Unfortunately, we haven’t yet found our George S. Patton. Jordan Peterson, perhaps?

  57. Hubert – “If nothing else, this “election” has made clear that we need to have a national conversation about finding solutions short of civil strife. Extreme federalism, perhaps. Or separation. Or outright divorce. Other countries have done it….”

    This cannot be archived because the Left Socialist USA will immediately defect to China and eviscerate the rest of us.

    According to Terrance Popp and others, China has already pushed itself into our elections.

    The dream of peaceful separation or divorce is unachievable. Therefore, CW2 is inevitable.

  58. Chases Eagles: yes, even deep blue counties have red/pink pockets. Drive a few miles outside my academic hometown in western Massachusetts and you’ll see American flags and USMC flags flying side-by-side on houses in the farm communities and the hill towns. It’s a sign that the populations are intermingled, but it’s also a sign that there are a lot of conservatives in otherwise blue states.

    Physicsguy: I’ve been a supporter/member of the NAS for almost ten years and helped to get Peter Wood invited to speak at my university a couple of years ago as part of a lecture series on controversial topics in higher ed. While I admire and support the NAS–perhaps the organization’s high point was the conference on American history that Wood helped to organize at the White House back in September to counter the 1619 Project–it lacks teeth. For starters, it’s not in the lawfare business. It’s in the report-writing business. The Left is not frightened of reports, even very long and impeccably sourced reports. I corresponded with Wood about that earlier this year. He made it clear that the NAS board does not support getting involved in litigation. Until that changes, the NAS will not be a serious threat to the Left’s domination of higher education. To be fair, the NAS has recently started doing some good work with state legislatures. I hope they focus on that in future.

    Huxley: not an oversimplification at all. You’re spot-on: schools of education are where the 1960s radicals went to carry on the struggle. It was a smart move. Imagine thousands of Ayers clones busily beavering away on “critical pedagogy” for the past four-five decades, and you’ll have an idea of the scale of the problem. Having totally corrupted K-12 education in this country, the schools of ed are now corrupting higher education. One of the best things a Republican administration and Congress (if we ever get one again) could do for the future of the Republic would be to defund/decertify schools of education on Day 1, along with NPR and the CPB. As for Jordan Peterson, he’s done his bit and needs to focus on his health, which is shaky.

    TJ: if you’re right about CW2 being inevitable (and obviously I hope you’re not), what do you suggest we do by way of preparation? In a practical sense, I mean. Remember that China has its own internal problems. And it’s not on good terms with its neighbors.

  59. Let’s assume the evidence continues to grow and is overwhelming.

    Do the courts or legislatures have the courage to act? At this point, all the Trump lawsuits are just proof to the left that the President is attempting to steal the election. Given the blackout by the media, including Fox, about the situation, there is no reason for them to think anything else.

    So, if there is essentially ballot stuffing, and you kick out the opposition party while you’re stuffing the box, there is nothing to be done. Biggest cheat wins.

    What if the executive branch acts. Would the President have the legal authority to suspend the electoral college while a special counsel investigates the evidence.

    The violence would be extreme.

    The alternative, is the default position– Republicans roll over and allow the theft.

  60. As for Jordan Peterson, he’s done his bit and needs to focus on his health, which is shaky.

    Hubert: I believe Peterson has a second act, that he can recover his health and energy, then return to public life. He has a sequel to the 12 Rules about to come out.

    I do hope he takes care of himself. When he first emerged, it seemed he was everywhere. He strikes me as overall an introvert — not like Trump — and I suspect that was hard for him.

    Also, benzodiazepines are a nasty addiction, difficult to overcome. The last time I said this Art Deco jumped down my throat in his charming way. This link’s for him.

    “5 ALARMING FACTS ABOUT BENZO ADDICTION”
    https://drugabuse.com/blog/worried-benzos/

  61. This executive order was issued in 2018. I believe Powell’s lawsuit alleges that Iran and China accessed election computers. Would this EO give the President extra ordinary authority?

    “I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that the ability of persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States to interfere in or undermine public confidence in United States elections, including through the unauthorized accessing of election and campaign infrastructure or the covert distribution of propaganda and disinformation, constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States….I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with this threat.”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

  62. I believe that Jordan Peterson has turned the corner with the help of his family, particularly a daughter, who also serves, I believe, as a spokesperson of a sort for him.

    Don’t know if this means he’s ready to hit the exhausting interview circuit or not, though I would assume he’ll be cautious.

    He must realize that he’s a marked man (marked, that is, by all the usual unwholesome suspects—which is itself a mark of great dignity…or should be).

    His new book, to be sure, is a most welcome indication.

  63. Things are beginning to be clarified.
    Don’t know if this means we can see that light yet at the end of the current, perplexing and maddening tunnel, but there are definite signs of hope.

    Recommend scrolling through Lee Smith’s and Ron Coleman’s twitter feeds for some updates:
    https://twitter.com/leesmithdc
    https://twitter.com/RonColeman

    + Bonus:
    “You’re going to see things over the next week or two which are going to be shocking to people”
    https://twitter.com/truthforu2020/status/1332123325993201666

  64. Things are happening quickly now:

    “[Trump] Directive “removes 11 high-profile advisors from the Defense Policy Board”
    https://twitter.com/themarketswork/status/1332158912909299712

    Trump news conference update:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1332169753004224515

    Twitter has deplatformed the movie “Plot Against the President”
    https://twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1332103860102553607

    COVID news:
    https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1332106885080645632

  66. How does this happen?

    Pennsylvania sent out 1.8 million absentee ballots but they ended up counting 2.5 million. sent out 1.8 million absentee ballots but they ended up counting 2.5 million.

    And in Georgia…

    President Trump won military vote 60% to 34% in 2016.

    But President Trump lost EVERY SINGLE MILITARY VOTE in Fulton County, Georgia this year.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/another-fun-fraud-fact-900-military-ballots-fulton-county-georgia-went-sleepy-joe-biden-not-chance/?

  67. John:

    I have read that the 2.5 million figure disparity was stated in error and that 2.5 million had actually been requested. I don’t know anything about the military vote there, though. I did read the link you gave. It seems to be something Lin Wood is alleging in a court document. If that’s really the figure, it’s extremely fishy. Could they be that stupid as to do something so clearly bogus? I assume we may find out someday. Of course, if they did do it and they get away with it, it’s wasn’t so stupid, was it?

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