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Matt Taibbi on the news business and how it drives division — 30 Comments

  1. There do exist a few leftists who are bold and independent (I would include Aaron Mate, Michael Tracey, and Glenn Greenwald, in addition to Taibbi); although all are hostile to Trump in particular, and to the right in general, they have the virtue of being skeptical of most of the relentless propaganda of the MSM; similarly, the most devastating deconstruction of the insanity of “woke” SJW ideology comes from James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose, co-authors of Cynical Theories.

  2. The interviewer thinks Trump suffers from xenophobia; I think she suffers from oikiphobia.

  3. Taibbi is worth reading for his commentary on the left, but I think his opposition to Russia, Russia, Russia was, like Greenwald’s, because of his love for Russia, not for Trump. He also recognizes that the modern left is dominated by the elites, not the proletariat.

  4. The interviewer is one of those people who thought everything was JUST FINE the morning of Election Day 2016 and thinks getting rid of Trump will make things go back to being JUST FINE.

    Taibbi, Greenwald, and others on the Left who genuinely understood things were not JUST FINE (though I might differ with their diagnosis of what was wrong) have been able to escape that bubble of narcissism. They’re still subject to the common fallacy of believing anyone different from them must be horrible because, after all, their own wonderfulness is so obvious and undeniable, but at least they don’t only understand reality as a mirror/extension of themselves.

    Mike

  5. I didn’t bother. I listened to him few times when he was on the late Don Imus’ radio show. He’s an opinionated jerk and hard core lefty with only a modest grasp of reality.

  6. I came to the conclusion long ago that journalists are corrupt and dishonest and not very intelligent.

  7. Paul in Boston:

    Nevertheless what he says about the money angle and what happened to drive polarizing news after the internet came to be a player is interesting. I think he makes some very good points on that topic.

  8. I have had occasion to work with journalists, some of them names you have heard many times. I didn’t find them any more corrupt, dishonest, or lacking in intelligence than your average collection of people. They are more narcissistic, though. Probably in equal measure to a similar group of politicians, with whom I have also worked. Neither group thinks of itself as “normal.” They are more correct in that diagnosis than they realize, but not in a good way.

    BTW, those three frames on the wall on the far side of the room are the covers of Rolling Stone magazines in which he appears. That’s the narcissism I’m talking about.

  9. Sometimes the acorn is just so ding-dang big that the blind hog runs straight into it and gets shaken out of his usual frame of reference. I think that’s what happens with people of evil and/or insanity who occasionally see a glimmering of Truth.

  10. I think his opposition to Russia, Russia, Russia was, like Greenwald’s, because of his love for Russia, not for Trump. He also recognizes that the modern left is dominated by the elites, not the proletariat.

    Chuck: I’d say Matt Taibbi is driven by an affection for the Russian people. Plus he recognizes the danger when intelligent services and the deep state work behind the scenes for their own ends, even if those ends happen to favor Taibbi’s own.

    I’m somewhat of a Russophile myself. Oh, their writers such as Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Pasternak and Mayakovsky, and their phenomenal chess players! To me their leadership from the czars to the Communists to the Putinistas is a tragedy for humanity. Then again, Russians must bear some responsibility, so I don’t know.

    Here’s a funny Soviet film from 1977 which won an International Film Festival award. Boris Spassky, in an interview, turned me on to it. It’s about a Mutt-and-Jeff pair of guys who blunder into Moscow, without money, and try to make their way. Hilarity ensues. With a higher budget it could have been a Robert Altman film.

    Don’t all rush out to watch it at once!

    –“Mimino” (Falcon)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4k2LNPRV-0

  11. This is true and we need to talk about it. Their business model is based on keeping us stirred up and angry/agitated to maximize their income. I think many also enjoy their ‘influence’ and cannot resist abusing this power.

  12. F:

    They may indeed be narcissistic, but I disagree that the framed covers are evidence of narcissism. If someone displayed a trophy, award, or diploma, does that make the person a narcissist? I have a poster from a dance concert that has my name on it. It’s a nice poster, hardly anyone sees it, but it’s on a wall near my bedroom. I don’t consider that sort of thing a big deal; it’s normal.

  13. “Here’s a video of a very interesting talk by Matt Taibbi on the way that money drives news decisions that help polarize America further. I think it’s worth listening to, although I think he leaves out a lot, as well.”

    He focuses upon the MSM’s secondary aspect and ignores the MSM’s far greater primary motivation…

    In doing so, he reveals himself to be an abject apologist. Its not possible for an objective observer to be unaware of the MSM’s blatant bias that utterly violates journalist ethics and thus journalism’s raison d’être. Far more likely that his ‘criticism’ is meant to be constructive, as in ‘come on guys, your overt bias is counter productive and greatly helping the right’.

  14. Most of what is presented as “news” is actually Narrative. The Narrative, or story, is predetermined with the “facts” made to conform to it.

    Therefore, since the Narrative is Trump is a racist and white supremacist, all facts in a story must conform and confirm the Narrative.

    When the media interview someone, they should always record it to show how the media manipulates what they say to fit their Narrative.

  15. Speaking of Greenwald… Over at Althouse yesterday or so, she posted this piece from Glenn, the upshot of which is, “If you really believe Trump is the evil, racist, authoritarian narcissist you’ve been saying he is for the past almost four years, how on Earth do you justify now wishing him well?” IOW, “Come on, you know you never believed any of the crap you said about him.” He’s no fan of Trump, but he, like Taibbi, does sometimes hold his own side’s feet to the fire.

  16. [Greenwarld’s] no fan of Trump, but he, like Taibbi, does sometimes hold his own side’s feet to the fire.

    Jamie: And we give him that much.

  17. Neo:

    I won’t say you’re wrong about the covers evidencing narcissism, and I will admit. that I have files full of op-ed columns I have written. But I don’t frame them on the wall, something I have seen other writers do with a magazine cover from a publication in which they have an article.

    Perhaps it’s not evidence of narcissism: you’re the expert on things like that. It feels like that to my non-professional judgement. But I won’t insist on that interpretation as I will admit I’m not an expert. Just my gut feeling.

  18. F,

    If I were on the cover of 200 magazines and had each cover framed and all put on the walls of my home, that might be narcissism. But 3, 4 or even a half dozen would, in my opinion, not be close to convincing evidence of narcissism.

    Even so, Taibbi might or might not be a narcissist.

    Ira

  19. Remember McLuhan’s “The medium is the message”? And his observation that the content of a new medium is initially an older one – like movies were the initial content of TV and stage dramas the initial content of movies? The Eagles nailed the news with the line “It’s the same old murder movie, they just call it the news.” My point is simply that TV news is first and foremost drama. They fit the words to the footage, not the other way around, because it is primarily about manipulating emotions, not presenting facts. The footage shows the knee in George Floyd’s back, It does not show the Fentanyl which requires a blood test to detect. It is literally a murder movie and our emotional reaction to it then spreads around the world via the new medium of Twitter. So of course we burn down our cities as the logical result of the media induced collective delusion.

  20. I couldn’t say whether Taibbi is a narcissist or not, but I’ll go with another writer, Joan Didion:
    ______________________________________________

    My only advantage as a reporter is that I am so physically small, so temperamentally unobtrustive, and so neurotically inarticulate that people tend to forget that my presence runs counter to their best interests. And it always does. That is one last thing to remember: writers are always selling somebody out.

    –Joan Didion, “Slouching Towards Bethlehem” (1968)

  21. On the subject of unquestioned assumptions (the worldview in which we each live), this is a serious post from what is usually a rather unserious site.

    https://notthebee.com/article/this-christian-author-perfectly-summarizes-what-it-really-means-to-listen-to-leftist-culture
    (quoting from the author’s own post)

    Over the past few decades you have said that I need to listen to you more. “A time of listening” is what you and your disciples have demanded. The fact is, I have been listening. And, for most of my life, this is what I’ve heard from you:

    You declared that absolute truth did not exist, then made your subjective truth absolute.
    You praised individuality, even while you required conformity – and openly ridiculed individuals who were not your approved kind of different.
    You promised freedom without responsibility, pleasure without consequences, affirmation without accomplishment, love without sacrifice.
    You created a culture of death and expected me to celebrate the ways you demeaned and disregarded human life.
    You weaponized tolerance, equality, diversity, inclusivity, law, and social order – all to create a chaos you believe you can control.
    You became rigid and unforgiving, eliminating grace, mercy, and forgiveness from your ideology.
    You promised peace as long as I surrendered.
    You said that equal rights, equal justice, and equal opportunity should be “color-blind.” But then you turned us into adversarial tribes – with no regard for talent, skill, intelligence, virtue, merit, ability, or common humanity – and have made color everything.
    You said I was on the wrong side of history, and then you tried to eliminate history by poisoning the past.

  22. The news business has finally reached its natural level.

    https://www.redstate.com/mike_miller/2020/10/06/nbc-beclowns-itself-with-biden-infomercial-town-hall-sham-undecided-voters-not-so-much/

    Of the roughly one in eleven “undecided” voters who were allowed to ask questions, one was described as “leaning” towards Biden; one was a “registered Republican” who was also “leaning” towards Biden; one was a former registered Republican who “voted for Hillary Clinton,” and another voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 but he, too, told Holt he has voted for Republicans “in the past.”

    None of the attendees were described as a Trump voter or “leaning” towards voting for the president.

    “Infomercial” – that’s driven by marketing and money, isn’t it?

  23. And the narcissistic entitlement syndrome.

    https://www.redstate.com/tladuke/2020/10/06/joe-rogan-mocks-spotify-woke-23-year-old-kids-complaining-about-his-show/

    The missing podcasts were initially attributed to a technical hang-up. However, it subsequently came to light that a number of Spotify employees had taken issue with JRE, with many pushing for the removal of additional episodes. Shortly thereafter, DMN revealed that the in-house opposition went even deeper than that, as some team members were demanding direct editorial oversight of Joe Rogan Experience episodes – and threatening to strike or stage a walkout unless they received it.

    “But I get it, you’re a 23-year-old woke kid and you’re working for this company and you think you’re gonna put your foot down, I get it.”


    This has resulted in someone like Joe Rogan who actually is interested in LEARNING about different views and having an honest exchange about them, being attacked by the feelings over facts crowd.

    J P Sears explains:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB50heKBxgw&feature=youtu.be

    The Spotify Employees that are trying to censor Joe Rogan’s podcast speak out in this video. Why do they insist on censoring JRE? Learn why the Spotify Employees know best and why their crusade to edit and censor is in everyone’s best interest. According to them.

  24. “My answer would be to point out that she’s already made assumptions and believes her assumptions to be true, and might need to really dive deep, read some discussions on the right about those issues regarding Trump, and challenge herself and her assumptions.” – Neo about the interviewer

    Maybe she could have one of those “conversation” the Left is always claiming we need, and do some listening herself, instead of making the Right do all the work.

    A serious post from an unserious site.
    https://notthebee.com/article/this-christian-author-perfectly-summarizes-what-it-really-means-to-listen-to-leftist-culture

    Over the past few decades you have said that I need to listen to you more. “A time of listening” is what you and your disciples have demanded. The fact is, I have been listening. And, for most of my life, this is what I’ve heard from you:

    You declared that absolute truth did not exist, then made your subjective truth absolute.

    You praised individuality, even while you required conformity – and openly ridiculed individuals who were not your approved kind of different.

    You promised freedom without responsibility, pleasure without consequences, affirmation without accomplishment, love without sacrifice.

    You created a culture of death and expected me to celebrate the ways you demeaned and disregarded human life.

    You weaponized tolerance, equality, diversity, inclusivity, law, and social order – all to create a chaos you believe you can control.

    You became rigid and unforgiving, eliminating grace, mercy, and forgiveness from your ideology.

    You promised peace as long as I surrendered.

    You said that equal rights, equal justice, and equal opportunity should be “color-blind.” But then you turned us into adversarial tribes – with no regard for talent, skill, intelligence, virtue, merit, ability, or common humanity – and have made color everything.

    You said I was on the wrong side of history, and then you tried to eliminate history by poisoning the past.

  25. One must assume that media revenues – $$$$- would somehow be lower if they were not propaganda outlets for the demokrat party. So the idea that their biased reporting is a money thing does not hold water.

    I submit they would have a larger viewing audience (and more newspaper subscribers) if they were unbiased; they would pick up that segment of viewers/readers that presently will not watch/read their left wing propaganda bullshit ; folks like me.
    And this would increase their revenues.

    One has to conclude that the media bigwigs – the ones who determine how and what will be reported – just like 95% of all academics, Hollywood morons and other “intellectuals,” are all hard core leftists and are motivated by the fact (and it IS A FACT) that if a lie is repeated often enough, it will be believed and the bigger the lie, the more readily it will be believed.

    Thus the never ending spewing of hate Trump propaganda.
    The media’s “reporting” is motivated by ideology, not money.

  26. John Tyler:

    I think he is saying that the newspeople discovered that in the internet age hate and partisanship sells best. I think that is true.

    I also think that it happens to align with the goals and views of those in charge. I think both things drive the phenomenon.

  27. The behavior of the Spotify wokesters who want to ban Joe Rogan podcasts…combined with a lot of similar things…reminds me of the Air Dictatorship, in H G Wells’ 1933 SF novel ‘The Shape of Things to Come.’

    The idea is that the people who have control of the world’s air forces and air transportation come together to establish a worldwide and benevolent Air Dictatorship, with the aim of establishing peace and prosperity for all. Their approach to this includes suppressing all religions, establishing Basic English as the global language, and conscripting the world’s youth to perform labor service.

    The current crew seems to think that their mastery of social media and other Internet technologies will allow them to enforce their ideas in a way similar to the way the creators of the Air Dictatorship used their mastery of aviation. But the wokesters are forgetting how replaceable most of them are as individuals, and how replaceable most of their companies (including Spotify) will eventually turn out to be.

  28. John Tyler…”The media’s “reporting” is motivated by ideology, not money.”

    I think this is indeed true in many though not all cases. It certainly seems unlikely that CNN and MSNBC as configured are making the maximum possible contribution to the profits of their respective owners, AT&T and Comcast.

  29. I have long thought that conservatives should treat the press as an attorney would. When the question contained “facts not in evidence” the press should be called out on it in those very terms… every time.

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