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  1. Montage:

    Where are you hiding? Don’t bring your usual rhetorical skateboard to this gunfight.

  2. What’s up with the New York Times? Between their relatively fair treatment of this story and their piece today about the serious flaws in the COVID PCR testing it’s almost like real journalism.

    I’m sure it will pass shortly.

  3. om,

    I’m sure montage is busy analyzing Newsom’s impossible reopening requirements for California and when he might be able to venture to that death trap known as ‘the beach’.

  4. Thank you so very much for alerting us to this.

    I do, however, need to expand on one point:
    “Pierce Bainbridge founder John Pierce praised Kyle’s strength and resilience. ‘A 17-year old child should not have to take up arms in America to protect life and property.'”

    On the contrary: 10USC246 says: “The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age.”
    Kyle was, by Federal Law, a well-disciplined member of the unorganized militia. Would that our school systems did their jobs, and prepared all high-school juniors to shoulder that responsibility as well as Kyle did.

  5. The community lifeguard part would also explain why he claimed to be an EMT in some of the video. I’m assuming he wasn’t actually an EMT (being 17 but I could be wrong) but he probably was trained in first aid.

  6. Check Light:

    Yes, I was going to add something about their use of the word “child,” which bothered me, but the explanation got too unwieldy and so I removed the whole thing as unnecessary. I believe that they were using the word “child” in the legal sense, however, because 18 is the age of majority in Wisconsin. They are lawyers, after all.

  7. “A 17-year old child should not have to take up arms in America to protect life and property. That is the job of state and local governments. However, those governments have failed, and law-abiding citizens have no choice but to protect their own communities as their forefathers did at Lexington and Concord in 1775.”

    And that is the crux of the matter. These Democrat mayors and governors have not lived up to their oaths of office. When that happens, business owners, homeowners, and property owners of all sorts have a natural right to protect their property and their lives.

    When an armed man is guarding property, any looter or arsonist should know that they are risking their lives if they decide to attack. Otherwise, property rights mean nothing. The hallmark of all prosperous nations is that they strenuously protect private property rights. Why build or buy anything if some looter, thug, or arsonist can steal, damage, or burn it at will? The BLM/ANTIFA hordes intend to discourage fundamental private property rights as the first step to collectivism. The Democrat mayors and governors are aiding and abetting them.

  8. Unlike 5 year old Cannon Hinnant, Kyle was able to defend himself from adult murderers.

  9. J.J.

    The Democrat mayors, governors. politicians are finding that riding a tiger (mob) is a dangerous endeavor; mobs/tigers don’t care to be guided by the rider. Gods of Copybook Headings?

  10. DA would do well to think this one through. This is not a hill he wants to die on. Ditto for any Federal DA wielding the Civil Rights Infringement Club.

  11. I watched again a video showing the first casualty saying (reportedly to Rittenhouse) “Shoot me, nigga!” It occurred to me that the rioters were deliberately provoking, possibly trying to create a shooting incident.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

  12. Zaphod
    DA would do well to think this one through. This is not a hill he wants to die on.

    At this stage the DA is in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t situation. The statement from Rittenhouse’s attorneys makes it appear that acquittal is a slam-dunk. However, if the DA dismisses the murder charge, he and the City of Kenosha will catch holy heck from the Woke crowd.

    Recall that the police didn’t think that there was enough evidence from Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon Martin to charge Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s bloody face from Trayvon Martin’s pounding his head into the pavement made it rather self-evident that Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin in self-defense.

    But the media outrage generated from the “white Hispanic” (with a black great-grandmother) killing the black “child” (about 6 inches taller than Zimmerman) was enough to bring charges against Zimmerman.

    The jury, faced with the evidence, voted to acquit Zimmerman.

    I suspect there will be a similar outcome for Kyle Rittenhouse.

  13. Montage is off getting his weekly fix of Fred Reed 😛

    https://www.unz.com/freed/its-gonna-blow-be-a-miracle-if-it-dont/

    I think it’s no coincidence that two of the most clear-headed writers on American Ailments both have lived large parts of their lives overseas and have *very* foreign wives. It requires a degree of outside context and then detachment in order to see some aspects of the forest for the trees.

    One advantage the PRC has over the West is that (I guess) ~90% of its students who study in the West remain Chinese in thought and affiliation. On our side, 90+% of those who go to study in other cultures, had already checked out and defected *at home* before they so much as hopped on a plane. So guess who gets inside whose Social Media Sentiment Influence OODA Loop? Not us.

  14. The DA’s name belongs on the long list of those deserving swift judgement when CW2 begins. If you excuse the mob and refuse to do your job to defend the Constitution, you deserve to share the mobs’ ultimate fate. Death.

  15. Fred Reed’s mostly an idiot on a lot of things. He’s also a racist from what I can gather from some of his writings. (He’s married to a Hispanic woman, but I bet her skin tone is pretty light.) He is very disparaging against black people.

  16. I was talking with my son, in his late 40’s, today and he competes in 3-gun competition at a fairly high level in his state and that includes using pistol, rifle AR and shotgun in timed events. I do the same in low level competition here in Texas and we were both impressed with Kyle’s trigger disciple, he did not spray and pray as they used to say, this young man very carefully used a few rounds in each life treating circumstance to stop his aggressor and did not injure any other people. This is a case where violence was stopped and a weapon was kept out of the hands of a convicted felon aggressor.

    The set up for this young man, old enough to be a soldier, to be caught on the wrong side of the police was not his fault and the lack of crowd control is the fault of the city when these rioters show up to create arson, destruction and mayhem. I would give Kyle the citizen of the crazy month of August award.

  17. @Mike Guenther:

    The Antibodies are strong in you.

    Per Cromwell, “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken.”

    “Racist” is a trigger (ha!) word to make you avert your eyes and “nothing to see here, move along”.

    Facts on the Ground abide regardless.

  18. OldTexan:

    Would that I had half his courage and character at the same age, or even now.

    If the Left can’t convict him they will certainly try to memory hole him because his actions were the epitome of the maturity and responsibility that arms-bearing demands and should engender.

  19. Play stupid games (like snatch the rifle of a threatened individual)
    win stupid prizes (you get a tombstone)

  20. MIKE GUENTHER on August 29, 2020 at 7:46 pm said: Fred Reed…

    his view comes from when he was writing with the police…
    if you worked and seen what they see, you would have a diff opinion

    my wife worked in a deli, and every day, the same people would come in to shoplift the same stuff… nothing she or anyone could do… it was a constant… if you noticed, all those people shot and for whom they protest for, not one is an upstanding person of their community without multiple issues… (issues ranging from rape, theft, attempted murder, trafficking, passing counterfeit, assault, batter, weapons possession)

    see enough of that you may sadly forget about the large number of others that you dont see and become invisible and are decent… however, in one community, they seem to stick up for their criminals and bad eggs when most other communities do not do that at all… which makes things a lot harder…

    can you imagine if the white community went marching to protest the incarceration of john Wayne Gacy? or any number of bad eggs i could list?
    same with the Spanish community and members of the Latin kings… Good Spanish folk spit towards such people and seem to understand how they undermine how the world sees and forms opinions… other groups, seem not to have this intuition

    what can i say… this is mostly just observation…

  21. I share Old Texan’s respect for the trigger discipline Rittenhouse showed. That is some serious discipline he showed in not shooting until he had not other choice, and then putting his shots where they were needed — at the same time his heart rate and adrenaline must have been peaked. He’s a cool young man, with no apparent military training. I’d like to be half that self-assured, confident, and disciplined. We all have to hope that further investigation continues to show this is an accurate description of what all transpired, and that he will be fully exonerated.

  22. This kid is a genuine American hero. The city should give him a medal. I sent money to his defense fund just now. I hope many others do as well.

    After he’s acquitted, I hope he sues the pants off the city and state, the mayor , governor, and sheriff for putting him in this situation. The sheriff essentially said it was an open and shut case of murder the night of the event.

    God help us if the democrats aren’t run out of government at all levels in this election. Fools who vote to re-elect them deserve their failed policies.

  23. An extraordinary young man who has the courage, conviction, and skills to stand with friend and foe.

  24. In re the commentary on Kyle’s shooting skills, especially Old Texan & F:
    “He’s a cool young man, with no apparent military training.”

    I have in my library a copy of a High School Junior ROTC Manual from the 1920s.
    They used to teach kids army-caliber shooting in school, because, at the time, everyone knew that those boys would be the front-line troops in any subsequent war, just as their fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers had been, many of them also while still in their teens.

    “The Junior R.O.T.C. Manual: A Text Book for the Junior Reserve Officers Training Corps” by P. S. Bond(Author), E. B. Garey (Author), O. O. Ellis (Author), T. L. McMurray (Author), E. H. Crouch (Author); publication: Annapolis, MD: St. John’s College Book Department (1922).

    In re the commentary on Kyle’s age:

    Nowadays, we limit the term “infant” to children under a year old, but in the past, it was not so.

    https://www.etymonline.com/word/infantry

    1570s, from French infantrie, infanterie (16c.), from older Italian or Spanish infanteria “foot soldiers, force composed of those too inexperienced or low in rank to be cavalry,” a collective noun from infante “foot soldier,” originally “a youth,” from Latin infantem (see infant). Meaning “infants collectively” is recorded from 1610s.

    That is, the infantry of most armies was (and is) largely composed of the youths who have not yet reached the age of adulthood (variously set from 14 to 21).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

    Think of the Spanish title “Infanta” for princess.

    Wikipedia:
    Infante (Spanish: [i??fante], Portuguese: [??f??t(?)]; f. infanta), also anglicised as Infant or translated as Prince, is the title and rank given in the Iberian kingdoms of Spain (including the predecessor kingdoms of Aragon, Castile, Navarre, and León) and Portugal to the sons and daughters (infantas) of the king, regardless of age…

    Despite the male subject of the post, I emphasized the feminine gender as a segue to this music, because it’s one of my favorites and we need to stay connected to beautiful things in the midst of all this turmoil:

    Maurice Ravel: Pavane pour une infante défunte

    Orchestra version:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6A96yQO82I

    IndependantW (comment)

    Most people equate this composition with an elegy for some specific a princess who has died. However, Ravel never intended this as such. In Ravel’s own words, this composition is “An evocation of a pavane [type of Renaissance dance*] that a little princess might, in former times, have danced at the Spanish court” This composition was thus intended to be an evocation of a time and place as much as an imaginary princess.

    Ravel himself:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn6_yT9SKpM

    Ravel at the piano playing his composition “Pavane pour une infante défunte”/”Pavane for a Dead Princess” in 1922.
    It was imprinted onto a piano roll, and then long after his death it was played back and recorded, which is why the sound is so clear. The tempo and dynamics were not altered in this process. Of course we cannot know what happened on the day that he performed it, but for those suggesting that he did not play it, or that he played it differently, you would be wrong.

    I once heard it played live as a tuba solo.
    Yeah, I was gonna laugh too, until he started playing.

    *Trivia: The Spanish princess, Catherine of Aragon, the first wife of Henry the VIII (and his former sister-in-law), was a renowned dancer in her younger days.
    She was also a shrewd diplomat, and well-educated in aristocratic intrigue and affairs of state.
    He was a fool to divorce her for the Boleyn woman.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/543013.Catherine_of_Aragon

    For 24 years she was the wife of Henry VIII. England loved her; Henry loved, respected, and finally feared her. Wolsey hated her. Twice she saved England, once from invasion, once from Civil War. Here is one of those rare books, brilliantly readable and buttressed by scholarship and research, which make you see history through new eyes.

  25. AesopFan:

    Henry was very taken with Anne, who was shrewd enough to refuse to have sex with him until she had, as they say, a ring and a date. But it’s my impression that he divorced Catherine of Aragon because he felt she would never give him a son and heir.

    On reading the history at that link I just gave, it seems like heartache after heartache.

  26. AesopFan: Thanks for the Ravel piano roll link, exceptional. I have a CD that is all Ravel playing his own compositions this way, and two CDs of George Gerswhin playing by piano roll. Love them all.

    Ravel’s Le Tombeau de Couperin is an homage to close boyhood friends lost in WWI, as I’m sure you know.

    Regarding infants in war: I worked with a Brit in Egypt, crusty old bugger, who had gone into WWII as a boy seaman in the Royal Navy: 14 years old. Past generations were made of sterner stuff.

  27. Aggie on August 29, 2020 at 11:30 pm said: Past generations were made of sterner stuff.

    they also were more human, sane, and aware..
    [warning, not for the feint hearted, violent senseless example… poor racoon… pauvre raton laveur]
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1295616464502714369

    what kind of government would such people make for everyone?

  28. Lots of reaction to the lawyers using the word child. Legally understandable as Neo pointed out, but incongruous nonetheless. Reminds me of JK Rowling’s tongue in cheek request for help remembering a word for ‘people who mensturate’. So I would also ask help in remembering the word for people who conduct themselves as Mr Rittenhouse did.

  29. Has Rittenhouse been released on bail? I ask because, if he hasn’t, his life is in grave danger in the jail.

  30. The Dems are pretty much digging their own graves on this. What are they going to do at the next riot that burns down half a town?

    All the people shooting footage, despite their political biases, makes it impossible for the mainstream media to ignore the issue or spin it how they’d like. If there wasn’t so much footage, I bet the NYT would be its usual self.

  31. What’s weird is I’ve seen an AP report that quotes the prosecutors and official complaint with the same facts.

    Such as this regarding the first attacker’s actions:

    “Prosecutors said Rosenbaum followed Rittenhouse into a used car lot, where he threw a plastic bag at the gunman and attempted to take the weapon from him.”

    “a plastic bag” cannot be thrown unless it contains something. But following and trying to take a weapon is the acts of an aggressor.

  32. LA Times is reporting what looks like a Trump supporter shot dead in Portland.

    “An Associated Press freelance photographer heard three gunshots and then observed police medics working on the body of the victim, who appeared to be a white man. The freelancer said the man was wearing a hat bearing the insignia of Patriot Prayer, a right-wing group whose members have frequently clashed with protesters in Portland in the past.”

  33. The Red Fascist Civil War has begun.

    In Portland, a Trump supporting counter-demonstrator wearing a Blue Lives Matter shirt was shot by Antifa, and the mob is glad that a “Nazi fascist” is dead! Video at thr link
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/man-shot-dead-portland-amid-violent-protest-camouflage-gear-thin-blue-line-patch-found

    In related news, the management at Sandia Labs, the federal facility for nuclear weapons research in New Mexico, is undergoing a Woke meltdown as the racist anti-racist wreaking ball takes out all amity.

    One employee, Casey Peterson, is leading the pushback in an impressively systematic fashion. He aims to recruit the Inspectors General Office to investigate and eventually gain an Executive Order from the President to get this deracination struggle propaganda utterly stopped! Here’s an intro and the 60 minute detailed video expose he’s circulating to workers at the 13,000 employee research Center:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sandia-labs-goes-nuclear-employee-who-sparked-internal-revolt-over-critical-race-theory

  34. “Sandia Labs goes nuclear”… LOL… one would hope, one would hope.

    Ah, me, that was funny. Anyway, this further background stuff on young Rittenhouse is very illuminating. Let’s see, when did his fight happen? Three days ago? Four? It all starts to blend together somehow. But it goes to show that I’m constantly benefiting from waiting a few days for the smoke to clear on these things.

  35. More at the Daily Mail.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8678107/Trumps-Portland-caravan-drives-city-thousands-attend-rallies-supporting-president.html

    Man is shot dead in Portland during violent clashes between Trump supporters and BLM: Chaos on the 95th night of unrest after caravan of 600 cars waving MAGA flags drove into the city and confronted protesters

    Kenosha may not exactly be Ft. Sumter, but it could definitely have been a tipping point for anti-Antifa push-back.

    Note of interest: Antifa & allies show up dressed, armed, and with food trucks in tow* within hours after some provocation.

    Trump supporters take months to get their act in gear.
    But THEY are the “fascist oppressors” “forcing” the rioters to “get the nation’s attention.”

    Conservatives don’t seem to be very good at this fascist oppression gig.

    *https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/antifas_riot_kitchen_gets_busted.html

    Who knew that looters had their own food trucks? Who would have guessed that Antifa had its own soup kitchen to come to after working up an appetite after a hard day’s rioting?

    Turns out they did, and when they headed out to Kenosha, Wisconsin, the cops shut them down.

    Police said they recovered helmets, gas masks, protective vests, illegal fireworks and suspected controlled substances from the vehicles.

    That was in addition to the “array of vegan, gluten free, vegetarian and other dishes” including “Vegan and meat kebabs, a plethora of hot and cold sandwiches, vegan sloppy joes, vegan chili Mac, vegetarian chili Mac, vegan and meat breakfast sandwiches, vegan/vegetarian/meat burritos and much more!”

    I’m glad to know that people who burn buildings, whack kids in the head with skateboards, and blind cops with lasers have some principles.

  36. I am contributing to Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense fund.

    His is a genuine profile in courage.

  37. Got any friends to inform and persuade? A 5.5minute graphic recap expressing our perspective:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H7VOzHP2jM

    The “unhinged hatred” largely by rioters in Democrat-run states has long been incited by many within the party and whitewashed by the biased mainstream media, according to Sky News Australia host Rita Panahi.

  38. Go back and check out the pictures where the child molester was telling the patriots to “shoot me ni**a, shoot me ni**a”.
    There’s a tall bearded guy whose girlfriend is wearing a backpack with lettering indicating it’s food and water for anyone in want.
    He’s been found by 4 chan. While child molester was telling them to shoot him tall beard guy had a gun in his hand. He’s probably the one who fired the shots that got Kyle to turn around.

  39. Here is comic turned reporter Ami Horowitz, who has embedded with rioters in 6 cities, on Sky News Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgQv7oHzWw

    Rioters Jew hate and antisemitism is getting exposed. Ami says, after talking to 1,00O rioters, they want destruction of capitalism and the downfall of the US, followed by their Marxist government. And he adds that public support for BLM is now 50%.

  40. Aggie on August 29, 2020 at 11:30 pm said:

    Past generations were made of sterner stuff.

    There is a wonderful book by Daniel James Brown entitled ‘The Boys in The Boat’. It is about the 1936 Olympic US rowing team.

    What those young men went through – and overcame – during the Great Depression is a perfect example of your post.

    I highly recommend the book. An excellent read.

  41. That is the job of state and local governments.

    Your state and local govs suck, America. Time for children to take over.

    T J on August 30, 2020 at 4:11 am said:

    Conservatives told me here CW 2 was a kooky theory of Ymar’s that had no factual basis to it. What changed here?

    ALl it took was 2020? Vision? Who needs some They Live sunglasses put on them by Ymar?

  42. parker on August 29, 2020 at 7:40 pm said:
    The DA’s name belongs on the long list of those deserving swift judgement when CW2 begins. If you excuse the mob and refuse to do your job to defend the Constitution, you deserve to share the mobs’ ultimate fate. Death.

    The war is already over parker. All your angst and preparations, well you may not like hearing it, but you missed the war. By the time America woke up to this in 2020, it was already over (mostly).

    What say you Yuri Bezmenov?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40rOsG_62sc

  43. TJ
    In related news, the management at Sandia Labs, the federal facility for nuclear weapons research in New Mexico, is undergoing a Woke meltdown as the racist anti-racist wreaking ball takes out all amity.

    There is some irony here, as Albert Narath, head of Sandia National Laboratories from 1989-1995, spent much of his childhood in Nazi Germany. The shaming tactics that the racist Nazis used to exact compliance are rather similar to those that the so-called “anti-racist” Woke folk/volk use these days.

  44. The poor kid is going to have the book thrown at him, face a hostile almost all-black jury who will unequivocably believe whatever tales of “white supremacy” the prosecution spins for them, get found guilty and be given a life sentence, and finally be brutally murdered within a month of stepping into prison.

    This is what awaits any of us who dare oppose the Democrat Party.

  45. “face a hostile almost all-black jury ” — Kenosha is about 10% black. They’d have a hard time fielding an almost all-black jury if he’s tried there.

  46. Yammer is always so wise and prescient after the fact and conveniently forgetful of all the times Yammers is wrong. Megalomania is like that, a curious affliction.

  47. Ymarsakar, certain people also thought America was too late in 1917 and 1942. They soon learned that though it took awhile, once the fury of the American populace was unleashed it was unstoppable.

    That being said, I am very conscious of the fact that those were a different breed of people. So, we will see. But, there are for instance thousands of veterans who served in a couple of unimaginable hell holes year after year. They have seen first hand what it is like when society breaks down. I doubt that they are inclined to sit idle while their own country gets flushed down the same toilet. At least I hope not.

    One key bit of information that is hard to come by, is just how large the insurrectionist movement is. If you added all of those in Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, etc. what would be the total number (discounting the overlap of the traveling thugs.)? Or, how many Seal teams or Marine platoons would it take to “neutralize” them? All it takes is the will; and BLM and Antifa seem determined to strengthen the will of ordinary Americans. Along those lines, I wonder how many vacancies there are in the Guantanamo hotel for terrorists? Surely, the Feds know identities of the people behind the movements

  48. And now we’re seeing a flip where media jagoffs who pretended for months that rioting wasn’t happening are now blaming Trump for the violence. Biden is apparently supposed to make some sort of comment condemning the rioting after also ignoring it for months and I’m sure the jagoffs will treat that like the greatest moment of leadership in human history.

    Karl Rove kind of mainstreamed the sort of polarizing politics that didn’t care if you enraged 49.9% of the public as long as you turned out 50.1% on election day. The Left is now following suit. The problem is that the 49.9% or 46% or 43% is going to win elections eventually, whether through scandal or catastrophe or just ennui.

    Mike

  49. Oldflyer;

    “,,,,I wonder how many vacancies there are in the Guantanamo hotel for terrorists….”

    I would not send them to Gitmo; why should the taxpayer foot the bill to support these thugs.
    I would dump them all off in the middle of the night in Havana, Cuba, but prior to doing so they would all be thoroughly fingerprinted, photographed, etc., stripped of all documents identifying who they are, stripped of US citizenship, prohibited from ever stepping foot again in the USA. (and if they did, an automatic death sentence promptly carried out within 24 hours of their illegal arrival).

    When dumped in Havana, they would all be dressed in clothing covered in the US flag and have DEATH TO CASTRO tattooed all over their bodies and printed on all their clothing and undergarments.

    This way they can experience the Cuban utopia they wish to impose upon the US citizenry, in particular the honest and fair Cuban “justice” system.

  50. Karl Rove kind of mainstreamed the sort of polarizing politics that didn’t care if you enraged 49.9% of the public as long as you turned out 50.1% on election day.

    He did? What was the content of that? You can find advertising from the 2000 and 2004 campaigns here

    http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/2004

    Rove, like anyone else, works within a social and cultural matrix. You’ve had seven presidential campaigns over a period of 30 years and in just one case did the winner get a popular majority with a satisfactory plurality – and in that case the Republican candidate was facing a perfect storm of problems: an incumbent with whom the general public was fed up; a financial crisis erupting in the middle of the campaign, a media who were an extension of the opponent’s campaign, and the Republican candidate unaccountably trusting Steven Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace to run his campaign. A pillarized electorate with a modest swing vote (composed of people whose response to stimuli is puzzling) is just where we are as a society and a culture. The distressing thing is that the behavior of the Democratic Party gets worse every year but it doesn’t generate much popular revulsion. In a sane world, the last three months should have finished them.

  51. The poor kid is going to have the book thrown at him, face a hostile almost all-black jury who will unequivocably believe whatever tales of “white supremacy” the prosecution spins for them, get found guilty and be given a life sentence, and finally be brutally murdered within a month of stepping into prison.

    The population of Kenosha County is 10% black. I’m wagering the public registers from which the jury pool is derived are more like 8% black. Quite a tour de force if the prosecutor manages to arrange for an ‘almost all black jury’.

  52. I doubt Patriot Rittenhouse will even be extradited let alone stand trial. Things are moving pretty fast now so this will likely be overtaken by events.

    This is a commie insurgency. It will soon be militia rules. See an enemy combatant, kill an enemy combatant. Those captured should be treated as unlawful combatants. Prison camps, forced labor battalions and reeducation. Those that repent and are rehabilitated can reintegrate. But the ringleaders like San Fran Nan get the gallows. A-Holes like commie Bernie get their comeuppance as we nationalize and then sell off their personal property.

    Then comes the anti-corruption trials. The deep state has stolen trillions.

  53. Twitter Accounts Looking For Kyle Rittenhouse’s Jail Cell
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fri76kLS2Y

    Considering the level of dedication to violence and vast funding resources of leftist groups, Kyle is in danger of sooner or later become a martyr. Either way, large reinforced statues celebrating his heroism (rifle and medic kit at his side) would be appropriate.

  54. Blacks on the jury might be nonjudgmental

    Diversity dogma denies individual dignity, denies individual conscience, denies individual value.

  55. A predominantly black jury strikes me as instant grounds for appeal of any guilty verdict, with a new trial ordered, perhaps in a change of venue.

  56. …and a bunch of other things by putting “Karl Rove Polarization” into Mr. Searchy. Or you could just, you know, remember what you saw with your eyes and heard with your ears at the time.

    I’ve been following the news and reading magazine literature for 40-odd years. I never saw a Rove ad that wasn’t a normal-range piece of political advertising. Rove wasn’t the one who put a weeping Cindy Sheehan on television.

  57. A predominantly black jury strikes me as instant grounds for appeal of any guilty verdict, with a new trial ordered, perhaps in a change of venue.

    You couldn’t get one unless the commissioner of jurors acted to rig the drawing (which is what I suspect happened in the OJ case). To get a jury that’s, say, 75% black in Kenosha County, the odds of a black prospect landing in the selection pool would have to exceed those of a non-black prospect by about 35-fold. It’s very difficult to believe that would ever happen by chance.

  58. And you can find this…

    There’s nothing in the article that demonstrates your point. It’s Democratic talking points mixed with a few bird-droppings the author wants you to believe originated with other Republicans (and maybe they did or maybe they came out of the author’s rectum).

  59. ArtDeco on MBunge’s Rove theories: yes, Art has it how I recall matters back then. I did read his Bush years book.

    I think this MBunge’s theory (which I’d forgotten) is like the NYTime’s gaslighting on the Clinton impeachment: it’s all about sex! Because Special Counsel Ken Starr looks and acts like a prude! And Rs are antiabortion, ergo, they must hate sex!

    In other words, cartoon Leftist reasoning, lacking in substance. Good enough for emotionalist “reasoning.” But somebody’s gotta blame the messege, not credit the messenger, ie, Bush’s pull with Hispanic voters.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2005/06/27/iv-how-latinos-voted-in-2004/

  60. Tuvea on August 30, 2020 at 8:52 am said: Read the book “The Boys in the Boat.”

    Totally concur. Just finished it last month, in fact.
    It is the amazing story of the University of Washington rowing crew that beat out all the east coast ivies & UC to go to the Berlin Olympics in 1936, and their long struggle to make that team the best in the world.

    Like any great suspense movie (it was filmed, in fact), you know the heroes will succeed, but how they do it — against all odds — is a nail-biter!

    Good review:
    http://www.hnn.org/article/158244

    Bonus – there is an abridged version that the author made because so many teens were reading the book, where he left out much of the politics, social context, and some family relationship dynamics that were more adult than the kids needed.

  61. Just spoke to a friend in the US who told me of this person who had come from Illinois with an AR15 to to kill people he disagreed with and killed 2 people. The footage evidently confirmed that this person was ‘hunting’ and the upshot was that Christian groups were in trouble for raising $200K for his defence. They said they had simply noticed it on Facebook. I said not a word. As Scott Adams observed – people are watching two different movies. People like Neo and commenters here are still trying to work out what actually happened. Maybe we are only an insignificant minority, but I think not. People have a natural tendency to work out what is really happening in their world but have not worked out yet how much this unholy alliance between collective media (MSM) and individual media like FB & T create fictional realities that people actually believe are real. Unlike movies the suspension of disbelief does not take place.

  62. The one detail about this which is still murky is where Rittenhouse got the rifle. His lawyers insist it did not cross state lines and was legally acquired, but they don’t say how and where.

    In light of the Portland killing, it seems young Kyle was fortunate that he could effectively defend himself. He might easily have been the first mob killing victim.

  63. Kate: Kyle worked over the state line in Kenosha. I believe the rifle cane either from his employer or else among the people whose property he was trying to protect.

    Anyone else know better?

  64. NPR calls the Patriot Prayer in Portland “extreme right-wing Trump supporters” and the Antifa / BLM simply “protesters”. NPR repeatedly uses the phrase “shots rang out”, as if the shooting was some act of nature. They claim the killer is unknown, despite the photos of him we have all seen, and say it is unclear if the shooting was related to the “unrest”.

    But the clincher is that they always emphasize the truck convoy was festooned the “flags” and Trump banners… somehow Steve Inskeep kept from actually adding “… so they had it coming.” but the NPR audience got the message!

    To use a phrase NPR loves, their reporting was one long “dog whistle” to their far-left audience.

  65. Those wanting to donate to Rittenhouse’s defense fund needn’t go through Shopify.

    He’s represented by the same group ( “Fight Back”) that represents Nick Sandmann.

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