Bail reform in NY: the gift that keeps on giving
Most of the looters and rioters arrested by the NYPD over the past several days are immediately released as a direct result of New York’s new bail-reform law, New York City police chief Terrence Monahan told the New York Post on Tuesday.
While the city police made over 650 arrests on Monday night alone, Monahan said that “just about all of them” will be released without bail.
After the looting and arson, Cuomo did what he does best – blame others:
“The police in New York City were not effective at doing their job last night. Period,” Cuomo told reporters. He also floated the idea of “displacing” de Blasio, but immediately retracted the suggestion, saying it would create a “chaotic situation in the midst of an already chaotic situation, that doesn’t make sense.”
Chief Monahan told the Post that he was “extremely outraged” by Cuomo’s remarks.
“I’m watching my men and women out there dealing with stuff that no cop should ever have to deal with, bricks, bottles, rocks, hit in the face with bottles and continuing to go forward to make an arrest,” Monahan said. “For a governor to be sitting in his office saying that we’re not doing a good job — I’m outraged.”
I cannot even imagine what it is like to be a police officer today in New York or in any Democrat-dominated area. The police in general are being demonized, and the officials in charge do not have their backs and often tie their hands while those same officials posture and preen and virtue-signal and blame others.
One of the legitimate criticisms to be made of Trump is his emphasis on the misleadingly-named “criminal justice reform”, urged upon him, according to many reports, by his daughter and her husband, neither of whom appears to believe in the policies on which he ran (immigration, foreign policy, fair trade, law and order, etc).
I saw someone (I think on Instapundit) point out that the cultural and economic rehabilitation of big cities done over the last 30 to 40 years is being undone in a just a few months. How many people living in New York City today remember the time when there were parts of the city where even the police were reluctant to go? It looks like they’re about to be reminded.
Mike
Do not stand in the way while the ultra-blue NYC commits suicide. With the taxes (even the out-of-state volunteer health workers have to pay income tax to NY), and letting felons out and not having bail for criminals (turnstyle “justice”) and Soros-funded AGs, there is no climate for the middle class and businesses.
Let it fall into the wasteland that Antifa wants — Hollywood can then use it for their dystopian movie set — a remake of “Escape from NY”
There will come a day when the mayor of a city will go to his office in the morning and find several hundred badges on his desk.
I walked well over a mile around the East Village (Manhattan) on both the avenues and streets in the late afternoon today.
There were no police. None.
Well if the Mayor doesn’t have security at his mansion he may notice or care. A Nicolae Chocesku moment would be fitting.
MBunge:
That was the prediction when de Blasio got elected.
And it seems to be coming to pass, and not just in NY.
I’m down with OM pour encourger les autres.
Whether these cities will receive is an open question. Detroit and south central LA never did.
We have spoken to, and heard of, Raleigh police officers who are stretched thin and exhausted. The mayor declared a curfew which was not enforced. Unless these riots burn out of their own accord, the city is in trouble.
CO legislature is proposing a number of new laws about policing. And gun control.
Some of the police laws are good, but a number are very very bad. Did I mention that CO has a Blue Legislature and Gov. It makes me very blue.
“Whether these cities will receive is an open question. Detroit and south central LA never did.”
I live in a near suburb of Detroit and grew up in the city. If you will note, Detroit has had demonstrations and people arrested during the current mishegas but there hasn’t been any looting or arson to speak of. I was talking to a customer of mine, a black woman, older middle age, who agreed with me that Detroiters understand what happens to your city when unconstrained rioting is allowed to happen.
BTW, to those who say we shouldn’t shoot looters because lives are more valuable than property, we don’t shoot looters because we want to protect property, we shoot looters because we want to protect society.
As a result of the Coronavirus lockdown, Corporate America has just discovered that most or many information workers can work effectively from home. Which is to say that they can hire people from… anywhere. And not have to pay for expensive commercial real estate.
In case you haven’t noticed, big cities such as NYC are about to be abandoned en masse. The riots have signaled to people that it is a good time to get out of the cities. Economically, the large cities are screwed for at least a generation.
It’s phenomena like this which have persuaded me that the Democratic Party is fundamentally illegitimate, a criminal organization. Collectively, we learned a great deal between 1980 and 2010 about how to improve the quality of life in inner-city neighborhoods. Various sundry political factions ignored this in many cities and there’s been a concerted effort here, there, and the next place to trash successful cities, for reasons that are ignoble (amidst witless propaganda campaigns). “Bail reform” does nothing to address a real problem. It just makes it more difficult for people gentry liberals deem low status (police officers, and the rest of us) to prevail contra people on whom gentry liberals confer value stamps (feral blacks). The behavior of gentry liberals makes much more sense if you drop the assumption that they ever have good motives.
There can be no doubt that liberal mayors are refusing to deal with the rioting because of the way they view themselves (and their supposed values); and the way they perceive Trump (and his supporters) and their supposed values.
To prove the virtue of the former, the cities will have to continue to burn and be rocked by looting and rioting.
(No doubt, the former, in their infinite wisdom believe it is also excellent politics. And demonstrates superior virtue and morality.)
But really, it’s just another facet of the “strategy” of mocking, ridiculing and disparaging hydroxychloroquine + zinc (the subject of a recent post)—a proven 50-60-year-old combination for diseases such as malaria—to help treat COVID-19 patients (though there are those who insist that for maximum effectiveness, it should be taken beforehand, as a preventative).
Trump susggested it; ergo it’s useless, irredeemable garbage.
Similarly, Trump says, “Protect your cities, I’ll send the National Guard to help!”; THEREFORE it must be rejected.
Because HE must be rejected. The ethical imperative of our time. The only possible moral thing to do.
Kind of like certain geniuses, once upon a time, promoting a policy of rejecting “Jewish Science” (though thank the powers that be that they decided to do so).
And one could make a case that Trump is THE JEW in early 21-century American politics—at least as far as the thuggish Democratic Party and its viscious MSCM cohort are concerned.
(All those lovely, intelligent, ethical, caring, people….)
Strange times. One couldn’t make it up if one tried.
…and Phillie
…and Los Angeles
…and St. Louis
…and San Francisco
…and I’m sure, others. The common denominator being rookie Leftist prosecutors holding elective office who were recently elected owing mostly to deep-pockets campaign funding…..from the Soros Organization. Some of them have zero experience as prosecutors and are new on the political scene. A nationwide stealth campaign and I suppose an answer to the re-shaped judiciary. You can’t judge what ain’t put on trial.
Bail reform has been a nightmare from the beginning, as anyone with a lick of sense predicted. Just the taxpayer toll for the increases staffing at County and DA offices was pretty big.
It was sold, to the people who were dumb enough to believe it, that it would only apply to non-violent crimes. That was of course a lie. NYC really did need bail reform (Though the rest of the state was doing fine in that regard). The NYC DOCs was rife with abuse and stories of people arrested for minor crimes and left to rot, nearly forgotten, on Rikers Island. Some of the things that happened there shouldn’t happen in a civilized society. But since it happened under a favored Leftist, there was little publicity for these abuses and who was actually responsible.
But, as usual, the Left ran with bail reform excuse (though they didn’t really mind it if they were in control) and turned it into something entirely different than its initial purpose*. Even some of the ‘true believer’ Public Defenders acknowledged back in the first two weeks of the year that ‘Yup, it was a f@#king stupid idea.”
From what I understand, this idea originated more from the DiBlasio side of the NY Lefty conglomeration rather than the Cuomo side. Cuomo is your cookie cutter leftist politician: a high-moderate Leftist, certainly corrupt with a helping of feckless. DiBlasio is extremely Leftist. On a scale of 1 to 10, he’s turned way up to 11. And his fecklessness is an order of magnitude greater. He wants all prisoners set free, being a Marxist and an Antifa sympathizer. Under most cases, but not definitely not all, Cuomo has just enough sense and low cunning to avoid some of the political pitfalls DiBlasio steps right into.
*To keep people from sitting in jail for a year or more waiting for trial to be scheduled (let alone take place) and proceedings beyond arraignment to begin. And/or to post bail/bond.
Cuomo vs. DiBlasio is a distinction without a difference, and I mean that literally. Like the rest of the Democrat party. The faction that used to be “moderate leftist” or New Deal liberals have stopped pushing back *at all* against the hard left so voting for any Dem means putting the Michael Moore wing in power. They try to fool you with the Bidens and Klobuchars but it doesn’t really matter.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=914238212355334
Australian TV reporter screams live on air as she is attacked by screwdriver-wielding man yelling ‘Allahu Akbar’ while covering Black Lives Matter protest in London
Correspondent Sophie Walsh was assaulted during a live broadcast this morning
Footage was not captured of assault but reporter, 34, can be heard screaming
The attacker was arrested for threats to kill and possessing an offensive weapon
She later tweeted ‘I’m shaken but okay’ and thanked her ‘incredible cameraman’
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“Looters Have Blown Up 50 Philadelphia ATMs with Dynamite Since Saturday – One Looter Blew Himself Up – Bombings Also Reported in Pittsburgh and MinneapolisJacqui Heinrich reported tonight on FOX News there have now been 50 ATMs blown up by looters so far this week. There have been 30 calls to police on attempted ATM bombings. Federal investigators are looking at this as a coordinated effort to bomb ATMs for cash.
“One Looter Blew Himself Up”
Makes me think of this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFITLxanHoU
Former Obama Intelligence Official Helps Secure Bail for Molotov Cocktail-Throwing NYC Lawyer
https://freebeacon.com/
Back in the day, I was in a situation. With some people. Who needed some help. From me.
After it all shook out, I found I had become considerably more fond of Kipling’s poem, “Tommy” Particularly the implied threat in the last two lines:
“And Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool.”
“You bet that Tommy sees.”
Wonder how many cops are muttering something like that.
To return to the oriignal issue:
The MPD murdered Justine Damond. The MPD murdered Philando Castille. The former was so egregious that the city settled $50 million on her family to avoid a lawsuit whose discovery might show what a crappy police department they have. Damond was white, the cop black (Somali). Castille was black, the cop who shot him hispanic. Dead is dead, but it took the required racial lineup for the orders to go out to the instantly compassionate. As if Damond or Castille don’t count. And, of course, they don’t. Got killed by the wrong MPD cop. Is there a word for more-than-transparent?
As if Damond or Castille don’t count. And, of course, they don’t. Got killed by the wrong MPD cop. Is there a word for more-than-transparent?
IIRC, Castile was shot by a suburban police officer. The facts were somewhat different. The officer in question had reason to stop him (he matched a BOLO for a robbery suspect) and reason to arrest him given the number of unresolved citations he had (he was a chronic scofflaw). Castile also had a gun in the car, though he showed no intention of using it. The officer panicked and shot him unnecessarily. No clue what the jury was thinking in acquitting him entirely. In Noor’s case, he shot a middle aged woman in a pink bathrobe for no frigging reason at all and it took seven months for the state and local police to arrest and charge him. Noor, btw, was a special project of Mayor Betsy Hodges and the two were photographed together during his time in the academy. White privilege, and all that.
Former Obama Intelligence Official Helps Secure Bail for Molotov Cocktail-Throwing NYC Lawyer
She has a berth at a BigLaw firm in DC. Does she get the axe, or does that only happen to those of us outside a charmed circle? (A DJ in the Bay Area has been fired for tweeting ‘All Lives Matter. Every Last One’. The radio station management deemed this ‘insensitive’, so a man who had developed an audience over 32 years was summarily dismissed. Our professional-managerial class is amply populated with scum).
Cuomo vs. DiBlasio is a distinction without a difference,
Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Repulsive as Cuomo is, he cannot approach the level of fatuous malice maintained by diBlasio and his wife.
Art Deco. The reason Yanez was acquitted is not the point. You don’t need to be convicted, or acquitted, or not arrested, or have an insufficient reason to have done whatever, or a perfectly good reason.
Some cases require orders to go out to the Self Proclaimed Incredibly wonderful (SPEW) who think they’re independent thinkers to unleash their widely advertised ompassion and outrage.
Michael Brown’s death, which even the Holder DoJ couldn’t find illegitimate got the Usual Suspects fired up.
It depends on the racial lineup. Black cop shoots a white woman….Nah. Hispanic cop shoots a black guy. Meh.
As I say, is there a word for more transparent than transparent?
If the Damond case had gotten the SPEW fired up, maybe the MPD could have been repaired and Floyd would still be alive. Anybody think of that?
“Fatuous malice”-Art Deco
That’s fantastic
The real lesson in what is occurring in NYC (and in many other cities/states in the USA) is what one can expect when ignorant voters cast their vote.
In their stupidity and ignorance, the voters of NYC elected DeBlasio and most assuredly they also voted for liberal/progressive Cuomo.
Ignorant voters can and WILL destroy a city , a state AND a nation.
And once in power, folks like a DeBlasio or Obama will remain in, or continue to seek power – overtly or covertly – until we have here in the USA a Bernie Sanders version of utopia (e.g. a Cuba or USSR).
Given the population breakdown of NY State, one can say that those residents of NYC and its immediate surrounding counties, pretty much determine who will govern the entire State of NY, much to the detriment of Upstate NY denizens.
This sort of situation exists in several other states; e,g,, Oregon, Washington State, Illinois, Pennsylvania , Calif., etc.
The only solution to this concentration of power within heavily populated cities and their surrounding suburbs/counties, is for the states to split up.
For example, Upstate NY should separate (secede) from NY State and form the State of Northern NY.
Ditto Eastern Washington, Eastern Oregon, Southern Illinois (to seceded from Cook County), etc. etc.
One of the reasons the founding fathers of the USA established the electoral college was to “balance” the voting power of the heavily populated cities and regions of the nation with those regions less populated. They realized that a voting system devoid of this attribute would soon have very few regions determining who would be president of the USA.
But they never envisioned that individual states would also be exposed to this situation. There is no electoral college in voting for state governors or a way of compensating for the political influence of heavily populated cities/regions within a given state.
Big city residents of NY and other states have ZERO in common with the those who reside outside of the big cities.
ZERO.
Unless states begin to split up, rest assured we will see more of what we are now witnessing.
Tony Timpa
ring a bell to anyone?
Dallas Police body cameras show moment Tony Timpa stopped breathing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0
Disturbing video shows Dallas officers joking as they restrain man who died
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tony-timpa-disturbing-video-shows-dallas-officers-joking-as-they-restrain-man-who-died/
The footage showing the August 2016 death of Tony Timpa in Dallas shows an officer pinning him to the ground with his hands cuffed behind him for nearly 14 minutes as the 32-year-old eventually becomes unresponsive. Officers are heard joking that Timpa had fallen asleep, with one yelling “five more minutes, mom!”
from another source:Body camera footage shows first responders waited at least four minutes after Timpa became unresponsive to begin CPR. Even worse, the police officers pinned his handcuffed arms behind his back for nearly 14 minutes and zip-tied his legs together. Shortly after he was loaded onto a gurney and put into an ambulance, Timpa was pronounced dead. [snip]
One of the medical responders to the scene falsely claimed, “I was unable to assess the patient due to his combativeness.” However, police video footage shows that the responders attempt to take Timpa’s blood pressure while he is still conscious, about five minutes before administering a powerful sedative.
[snip]
The police video shows that Dillard pins Timpa to the ground with his knee in his back for more than 13 minutes. When the officers first arrived at the scene, they told Timpa he would be OK. “We’re going to get you some help, man,” one of the officers tells him. But within 15 minutes, Dillard can be heard saying: “I hope I didn’t kill him.” Finally, Dillard turned to someone before shutting off his camera and said, “Sorry. We tried.”
Art Deco you are either too stupid to understand what I wrote or just have some uncontrollable urge to take a cheap shot. That was exactly my point, that while Cuomo may in some sense be “not as bad” as Wilhelm, he and the faux moderates in the Dem party like Biden and Klobuchar are enabling the DiBlasios and NOI Keith Ellisons. That is why we are seeing what we are seeing now.
There can be no doubt that liberal mayors are refusing to deal with the rioting because of the way they view themselves (and their supposed values); and the way they perceive Trump (and his supporters) and their supposed values.
The leftist Mayor of Tucson declared she does not want National Guard troops to come to the city. I hadn’t heard anyone else suggest but I did hear of hundreds of thousands of dollars damage from rioters. The riots are all down around the university where most crime is the rest of the time.
The local newspaper has an interactive crime report on their web site. I look at it from time to time. All crime is south of the river, a sort of dividing line between Democrat and Republican. The rioters know better than to try to cross the river. This is 2nd amendment territory.
I suspect this is true of most cities.
NYC looters seen escaping in Rolls-Royce SUV worth at least $330,000
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-looters-escape-in-luxury-suv
Looters in NYC were ‘dropped off in luxury cars with power tools and suitcases’ and ‘used stolen U-Hauls’ for coordinated attacks – as officials across the U.S. blame ‘organized crime’ for the chaos
NYPD are said to be looking into numerous reports the rioters were organized
They are now checking license plate numbers of cars that dropped groups off
‘Cars would drive up, let off the looters, unload power tools’, one witness said
Another said: ‘This is organized crime happening really, really well’
Local leaders and business owners in Washington, California and Chicago have also suggested the looters were part of organized crime rings
Protests were largely peaceful Tuesday and the nation’s streets were calmer than they have been in days since the killing of George Floyd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O7o0vNL7Y8
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384139/NYC-looters-dropped-cars-tools-picked-driven-location.html
“For it is not always when things are going from bad to worse that revolutions break out. On the contrary, it oftener happens that when a people which has put up with an oppressive rule over a long period without protest suddenly finds the government relaxing its pressure, it takes up arms against it.”
but………
The economy was in a downward spin. The Eden Treaty of 1786, negotiated to open trade between France and Great Britain, created terrible pressure on French industry and many thousands of textiles workers lost their jobs. The year 1788 was a terrible one for agriculture, and led to food shortages throughout the country, pushing many to leave home in search of employment. These roving bands of men triggered fear among the broader population already living close to the edge.
If you want to see what policing in Big Blue Cities will be like next year, look at Baltimore today. In the wake of the Freddie Gray prosecutions, the police know they have lost the support of the city government and can be hung out to dry at any time. Current cops retire or relocate as fast as they can. The remainder do as little as possible. Recruitment of new officers is so hard that standards for candidates have been lowered to include people with prior drug convictions.
RNB – your so right… and the people that did this, know that the black neighborhoods (not communities as they are not knit), will not be rebuilt, will lose businesses and support… the police with be loath to go in to help anyone…
sad
but i have my own problems of losing home, cant get work, and such due to the politics… so… i have little sympathy (left) for people who have the potential to get so much help and more…
i hope they do, it will be an interesting experiment in social work
Minneapolis City Council members consider disbanding the police
http://www.citypages.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-members-consider-disbanding-the-police/570993291
Sooner or later there are going to be some mistakes made by Antifa and they are going to go into residential areas. There are just too many guns and too much testosterone in these areas for this incursion of lawlessness to be successful. These folks are not turnips. There is too much unconformity in the suburbs. False flag, agent provocateur operations by the homeowners will succeed in pinching off Antifa groups into large arrestible groups. This will finally bring these terrorist efforts into public transparency and the useful idiot liberals won’t be able to endlessly excuse the radicals. Or, if we do not unite a bit, and have these successes, we will have a strange and sloppy militia civil war between the Gramscians and the conservatives for awhile.
How many homeowners began cleaning their guns and looking for ammunition over the last few days?
When something cannot continue, it won’t. Second Amendment police forces await.
John Tyler — also California east of I-5. In fact, the whole country between I-5 and I-95. Read Kurt Schlicter’s “Kelly Turnbull” series.
Maybe ArtflD can tell us — wouldn’t it be possible to identify every one of these assholes chanting “Defund the Police” and put them into a database? “No police for you, dirtbag!”
The warnings that police will resign because of today’s riots, plus the history of that actually happening in Baltimore earlier, plus the calls to disband the police — any bets there is a covertly coordinated policy of the left to deliberately drive away law enforcement in “their territory”?
To be a blue-city police officer these days must be like being in an emotionally-abusive relationship.
— you must never do too much or too little, you must be perfect every time;
— you must read minds to understand what the perfect response is;
— any prior understandings or agreements can be abrogated at the other’s whim;
— any prior event can be retroactively declared as proof of your perfidy at any time;
— you walk around on eggshells all day, trying to fulfill your promises but wondering what it’s going to be that you did wrong today.
Ask me how I know.
In any case, people in these circumstances either shut down and hide, or they lash out. Is it really any wonder that we have both police stand-downs and overreactions?
That’s it. The Democratic Party is the collecting pool of all the people with Borderline Personality Disorder.
Bryan Lovely:
Agree. I have similar thoughts about the extreme difficulty of police work.
Plus I would add that it is all done not only under that psychological pressure, but under the pressure of very real physical danger that is nearly a constant possiblity.