DeSantis vs. Cuomo: the coverage is the thing
The MSM has it backwards, of course:
A couple of months ago, the media, almost as one, decided that Governor Ron DeSantis was a public menace who was going to get Floridians killed with his lax response to the coronavirus crisis.
In an interview with National Review, DeSantis says he was surprised at “how knee-jerk” the hostile coverage was, but he “also knew that none of these people knew anything about Florida at all, so I didn’t care what they were saying.”…
DeSantis and his team have followed the science closely from the beginning, which is why they forged a nuanced approach, but one that focused like a laser on the most vulnerable population, those in nursing homes.
Good for him. Smart man, as well as brave.
In contrast:
…[A}t the same time DeSantis was being made into a villain, New York governor Andrew Cuomo was being elevated as a hero, even though the DeSantis approach to nursing homes was obviously superior to that of Cuomo. Florida went out of its way to get COVID-19-positive people out of nursing homes, while New York went out of its way to get them in, a policy now widely acknowledged to have been a debacle.
The media didn’t exactly have their eyes on the ball. “The day that the media had their first big freakout about Florida was March 15th,” DeSantis recalls, “which was, there were people on Clearwater Beach, and it was this big deal. That same day is when we signed the executive order to, one, ban visitation in the nursing homes, and two, ban the reintroduction of a COVID-positive patient back into a nursing home.”
DeSantis is bemused by the obsession with Florida’s beaches. When they opened in Jacksonville, it was a big national story, usually relayed with a dire tone. “Jacksonville has almost no COVID activity outside of a nursing-home context,” he says. “Their hospitalizations are down, ICU down since the beaches opened a month ago. And yet, nobody talks about it. It’s just like, ‘Okay, we just move on to the next target.’”
The MSM now reminds me of fortune-tellers and astrologers, as well as those guys with “end of the world is nigh” placards who used to be the butt of this sort of joke. Their predictions are repeatedly false, and yet they just ignore that and go on to make new (false) predictions.
The MSM also brings this to mind:
IMO Cuomo committed manslaughter by knowingly putting those infected with COVID19 in nursing homes. I think he didn’t care about the consequences.
Could We Start Again Please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqvXquqTwoU
So yesterday I got into a FB brawl. A friend from grad school who lives in NC asked that I post the data I had on Georgia as he knows that they have been opened the longest and wanted to know what has happened. I posted the data and it brought out his leftist friends in droves. Whoa!!
Apparently the newest leftist story line is that Georgia, Florida, and Texas are all deliberately adjusting their data so that cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all going down. It’s all a lie they were all claiming; those states are actually seeing big increases in the virus. They immediately pointed to the published error in Georgia as proof. 256 tests were mislabeled as negative when they were actually positive (out of some 35,000 cases). Georgia issued a correction, but as far as these people were concerned it was total proof that the data is all a lie.
When I pointed out that if it’s not a mistake but deliberate, then those states are intentionally killing their own citizens by changing the data and allowing the openings. The universal response was….wait for it…..of course they are, Trump told them to, and we all know he’s a lying POS and will willingly kill people to pump himself up. Wow.
Torturing Our Elderly And Stealing From Our Children
https://finance.townhall.com/columnists/donchambers/2020/05/12/torturing-our-elderly-and-stealing-from-our-children-n2568633
When I pointed out that if it’s not a mistake but deliberate, then those states are intentionally killing their own citizens by changing the data and allowing the openings. The universal response was….wait for it…..of course they are, Trump told them to, and we all know he’s a lying POS and will willingly kill people to pump himself up. W
We all haven’t much to say to each other anymore. And, truth be told, it’s a reasonable wager this is projection.
@Parker: “I think he didn’t care about the consequences.”
Personally I think it is worse, that he didn’t have a clue about the consequences. Either it didn’t occur to him or he was focused on some other aspect of the issue. Which would, of course, mean he is grossly incapable of making sound, positive policy in a crisis. Unqualified and incompetent, likely arrogant too.
Physicsguy:
Sounds about what one should expect from online leftists. Oh, but they’re the ones who love science so much! And it’s only conservatives who believe in crackpot conspiracy theories.
Sure…
physicsguy:
You will never convince them. They will just say any evidence you produce is a lie.
Hell, I normally reside in one of the COVID-bad states, Louisiana, but may not enter Florida by vehicle without a mandatory 14 day quarantine at my 2nd home (or fewer days, if I leave the state early). By edict, FL state troopers will interrogate all LA-tagged vehicles at the state border, pass personal data on to the law enforcement of in-Florida destinations, and those local LEOs will check to see if I comply. Jail +/- big fine for non-compliance. Edict remains unchanged as of today.
I could of course fly into FL via ATL if any planes were flying, then rent a car in FL. But perhaps an LA license plate, not a person, carries the virus, and airport car rentals are fine.
So don’t give me “DeSantis is holy” stuff.
Cicero:
Of course DeSantis isn’t “holy” (despite his surname). The point of this post is how the MSM demonized him and made predictions that did not pan out about what would happen his state in terms of the disease, and how they lionize Cuomo, whose policies have been far worse.
“So don’t give me “DeSantis is holy” stuff.”
Is he supposed to have detectives stationed at every airport in the state, interrogating people as they come off planes and checking their temperature?
And when I hear stories like the one from physicsguy, I smile. People who get that crazed usually end up one of two ways: burned out or turned on their creators.
Mike
Steve Walsh,
I suppose it is highly likely that Cuomo is “Unqualified and incompetent”. Arrogant is a given. But to order nursing homes to take in COVID19 patients and damn the consequences simply seems callous. If he didn’t realize the likely consequences he has no business tying his own shoes.
“But to order nursing homes to take in COVID19 patients and damn the consequences simply seems callous”
Wasn’t there also a new exec order in NY (or something) that the nursing homes can’t be sued?
So there’s that to consider too.
I read that the care facilities were NOT told which entering seniors were COVID-infected. So they wouldn’t be shamed or discriminated against.
Geez.
My online friend GUS at another blog said in jest: “When it snows 20 inches in Cleveland, they shut down the roads in Houston, don’t they?”
Well, here in CA they shut down the whole state including Modoc County which to this day has 0 cases and 0 deaths. Truthfully, about half the geographic area of CA had a handful of cases. LA, SF, Silicon Valley had a bunch of cases and a number of counties had a moderate number of cases.
In Mich, Detroit had a lot of cases and I think a few larger cities had a moderate number. But shutting down northern Michigan, or the Upper Peninsula? Just stupid.
A whole generational cohort of Dem Governors have proved to be stupid, authoritarian and vengeful.
The numbers are being refactored down because of the findings of their adding covid to death certs wrongly. the difference is died with covid vs died from covid…
i posted a while back that this was happening, and now they are “doing something” about it…
Do a search and the first 5-10 offerings are websites denying it..
as if they WANT the numbers to be higher….
this page from the CDC has interesting numbers
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of May 20, 2020. Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources
Covid deaths – 68,998
Pneumonia deaths – 87,444
influenza – 6,223
given that hospitals get a bonus if its covid, many are skewing the totals
also in the early days, flu and pneumonia were presumed
part of this is because of articles like this:
Since Birx is saying what they dont want, she is now double plus ungood person
and since Fauci is claiming undercount (imagining deaths at home), he is double plus good..
When I first heard the news that Cuomo issued an executive order that nursing homes HAD to take back COVID-19 patients I was angry. Very angry.
Given that so few knew anything about this novel virus when it first came into the human population it doesn’t surprise me that no one was sure what measures to take to protect the population. And, I’d be willing to give a pass if someone “in charge” made a poor choice. In fact, given that I am against the lockdowns, and have been since the beginning, I am still willing to say that many of these governors made the right call initially. They erred on the side of caution; but, should have let up when they got more information.
But, my anger at Cuomo is not going away soon. Because it isn’t rocket science (or should I say medical science?) to know that introducing COVID-19 patients back into the most vulnerable of our population is absolutely deadly. Anyone with half a brain should have known better than to do something so stupid.
So, forget Chris Cuomo being called “Fredo” it is the older brother who is the stupid one!
physicsguy – it appears your friend’s accusers are reading about this situation.
The Left uniformly gets around the world with their conspiracy theories before ours put their swim fins on.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/387370.php
Ace is kind of upset about this nursing home holocaust.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/387371.php
This is the story Ace is complaining about; time to impose the 3-day-rule and wait for comments until more evidence surfaces about who this woman really is and what she really did.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/19/coronavirus-dashboard-architect-claims-she-was-fired-for-not-changing-data/
News you can trust.
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrat-governors-warn-if-lockdowns-are-lifted-no-one-will-pay-attention-to-them-anymore
Third time on the Florida Woman, which bridges the some of the gaps in the other two stories.
https://weartv.com/news/local/desantis-florida-covid-19-dashboard-designer-faces-cyber-sexual-harassment-charges
My guess right now is that Florida may have recoded some of their prior “COVID” deaths for the same reason Texas did — they were deaths with COVID but not by COVID, or untested — and the data-entry-clerk wanted to #Resist, for whatever reason.
Crarles,
When no one knows? One uses common sense and knows you don’t dump infected people into vulnerable populations. Duh.
Is the policy of forcing COVID infected people into Long Term Care (LTC) facilities mostly a policy of Democratic governors? States that have implemented the policy include:
NY, PA, MI, MN
Imagine the mess Florida would be in if meth head Gillum had won.
Gregg–and which states are showing the highest percentage of deaths from COVID in nursing homes? https://freopp.org/the-covid-19-nursing-home-crisis-by-the-numbers-3a47433c3f70
AesopFan, I’m sure that must be the source of their “thinking”. But as Neo points out, even if what DeSantis said is brought to them they will immediately dismiss it, number one because DeSantis said it, and number two, because DeSantis is Orangemanbad’s stooge.
“Imagine the mess Florida would be in if meth head Gillum had won”
FL has legendary masses of old people. Yet, last time I looked dead elderly in Fl was less than 1000 whereas NY was way over 10,000.
DeSantis us, like his predecessor Rick Scott, is a rock-ribbed, tough as nails conservative. Thank God he edged out the useless lefty he ran against in the Florida governor’s election in 2018. And Scott, Thank God, beat the utterly worthless Bill Nelson for the Senate, helping our bunch hugely.
Just for the record, here are a few good posts on the controversy.
All supporting Florida (and Georgia and Texas by extension).
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/05/21/bombshell-study-shows-covid-19-infection-rates-declining-in-states-that-lifted-lockdowns/
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/05/21/janice-dean-takes-andrew-and-chris-cuomo-apart-over-their-nasal-swab-comedy-routine-dean-gets-fascinating-offer-to-help-cover-nursing-home-story/
(spoiler: it is Maria Schriver)
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/05/11/dear-media-governor-kemp-will-accept-your-apology-now-n389717
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/21/two-more-weeks-new-analysis-shows-southern-states-that-reopened-too-quickly-face-resurgence-of-covid-19/
“Your credibility ebbs daily, you printed this same prediction 8 weeks ago about GA and FL, you were wrong then, and hopefully wrong now.”
(thus once again we see the similarities with the scare-mongering of climate change, which is always just around the corner but never arriving)
https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2020/05/21/173929?hpnl=true
@ physicsguy: Can that stand as proof that grad or professional school does not really say anything about a person’s common sense or wisdom?