China, China, and more China
From Richard Fernandez:
If all this Chinese espionage, hacking and secrets theft is so widespread, how come it never came to prominence before? It's like it sprang fully formed from Zeus' forehead. If it is real the scandal is why the IC didn't sound the alarm.
— wretchardthecat (@wretchardthecat) May 11, 2020
We are learning more and more about how many people, countries, and institutions are sympathetic to China for political and/or financial reasons. For example, please see this chilling article about how beholden Italy is becoming to China, and about China’s plans for the rest of Europe, particularly its southern tier.
And then there’s this [much more at the link]:
While it remains unclear what proof the FBI and DHS possess, it does seem extremely likely that Beijing is using cyber espionage to snoop on U.S. efforts against the coronavirus. Furthermore, it would fall in line with Beijing’s notorious lies and malfeasance during the coronavirus crisis.
The British think tank the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), which claimed that the G7 countries should sue China for damages in excess of $4 trillion over the coronavirus crisis, laid out a digestible timeline of the virus’s spread and China’s lies about the disease and failure to contain the spread…
According to unpublished, unconfirmed Chinese government reports seen by the South China Morning Post, the first recorded case of the coronavirus dates to November 17, 2019, weeks before The Lancet‘s claim that the first recorded case came on December 1.
Or was it earlier, perhaps back in October? I have no trouble believing that’s possible.
Plus, we have a story from Germany that the Chinese wanted WHO to delay announcement of a global warning on COVID.
Speaking of COVID and China, see this:
The San Antonio City Council passed a resolution that designated the terms “Chinese Virus” and “Kung Fu Virus” as hate speech in response to the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak.
No doubt calling Lyme disease “hate speech” is next on the San Antonio agenda.
By the way, I always use COVID-19 or COVID or coronavirus to refer to the illness. It’s my preference to use the more scientific neutral terms whenever possible. But that’s my preference. The idea that using a place name to refer to a disease’s origins is some form of hate speech is a leftist absurdity. If people attack Asians in this country because of it, that’s a crime, but it’s not because of the labeling. The truth is that the disease originated in China and China has behaved absolutely abominably. And that’s not hate speech.
[ADDENDUM: New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is now referring to COVID as the “European virus.” I kid you not.]
There exists some evidence that, in the majority of the cases of hostility towards random Asian-Americans as somehow responsible for the Wuhan virus, those accountable for the irrational attacks have been black or hispanic, but the MSM would prefer that the narrative be centered on the supposed bigotry and xenophobia of white Americans.
These examples are, of course, weaponized distractions.
So that anyone (i.e., any westerner? any conservative? etc.) who uses them can be blasted for being a racist.
Which is THE VERY WORST “thing” a person can be accused of being. (According to our moral and ethical superiors in the Democratic Party, the MSM and the Universities, of course.)
So hang on as the attempt to peel back the huge edifice of Obama’s et al.’s lies and skullduggery—the brave and determined attempt to defend the country, its laws, and ultimately its citizenry from the thugs who have been attacking it consistently, ferociously—will be branded by those same thugs as “unprecedented Republican, Trumpian, White-supremacist, imperialist, colonialis RACISM” (Obama seems to like that word—“unprecedented” though I’m pretty certain he has no idea what it means; nonetheless, it makes an ample bludgeon, a useful cudgel, a terrific truncheon for the thug who uses it.)
….Just as those who are defending Michael Flynn from the outrageous crimes and abuses of a rogue government MUST BE accused of political treachery and indefensible partisanship—by those same rogues, thugs and criminals—the mafiosa—of the previous, miserable administration led by POTUS 44, to the joy and adulation of all “the right people”.
See also David Goldman’s comprehensive article at:
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-chinese-challenge/
European virus?
Do to the extreme mis-management by the New York State Government perhaps the deceased there – and elsewhere caused by travelers from New York – should be called Cuomo’s Clientele.
Here is an interesting list of some major companies/businesses that you might think are U.S. companies, but which are now owned by Chinese interests–
* Chicago Stock Exchange–own
* AMC movie chain—own
* Smithfield Hams—own
* Armour–own
* Legendary Entertainment Group (co-financed Jurassic World. Warcraft, Pacific Rim)—own
* GE Appliances—own
* Waldorf Astoria—own
* Fidelity & Guarantee Life—own
* Strategic Hotels & Resorts—Ritz Carleton locations in California, Fairmont Scottsdale in Arizona, Four Seasons in Jackson Hole, Wyoming—own
* Riot Games (League of Legends)–own
* Ingram Micro (distributes Apple Iphones, Cisco network equipment, etc.)–own
* Motorola Mobility—sold to China owned Lenovo, making Lenovo the worlds 3rd largest smartphone maker
* Starwood Hotels—own
* Terix Corp (makes machinery for construction, agriculture, and manufacturing)–own
* Dick Clark Productions–own
I’d like to second Watt’s recommendation of David Goldman’s article.
Sadly, the conventional foreign policy views are pro-China, pro-EU, pro-Iran, and pro-Qatar. That’s where all the money lines up. Of course, it’s not just the money, and next on the short list of motives would be grasping after status. The elites must make it clear that they’ve rejected the deplorables and their oh-so-gauche pro-Americanism. Opposing China would be like embracing NASCAR and fast food — without irony. An impossible pose.
Try to change course? We then get an attempted coup d’état. I guess that makes me even more pessimistic than Goldman.
I have seen some commenters saying that, even if this release of the Chinese Coronavirus was accidental, these commenters believe that–once Chinese Communist Party leaders knew what they were likely dealing with–it wasn’t just that they wanted to avoid “losing face” by having to admit to having “made mistakes,” and so they covered up the outbreak of the Chinese bat Coronavirus, how easily it was spread, and it’s lethality.
Rather, it was that–in addition to this reason, or primarily–they made the very cynical, cold, and calculated political decision that, since they were going to have to take a large hit–suffer a large death rate, and the consequent economic, political, and perhaps even strategic losses from this Coronavirus (how large these death tolls and other consequences have been and will be we don’t now know, and we may never know–see Tiananmen Square) they didn’t want the rest of the world to gain comparative economic, political, and strategic advantages from Chinese losses–to not suffer the same consequences–which would allow these other national around the world, and especially the United States, to emerge on the other side of this Pandemic in stronger economic, political, and strategic positions vis-a-vis China.
So, it was for this reason that Chinese Communist Party leaders covered it up, and deliberately let it spread to the rest of the world.*
Some evidence for this position is that there are some reports that, while Chinese authorities tried to shut down some internal travel from the Wuhan area towards major areas of China and cities like Beijing, they didn’t shut down travel by Chinese to other countries around the world, that early on Chinese President Xi reportedly pressured Dr. Tedros, WHO’s Director General, to not announce that the virus was spread human-to-human, and to hold off on certifying the virus’ spread as a “Pandemic,”and that Chinese leaders also fought to stop other countries–like the U.S–from instituting their own travel bans on people coming from China.
* See, for instance, what Senator Tom Cotton thinks about this idea at https://www.foxnews.com/media/tom-cotton-china-coronavirus-let-world-suffer
If my fallible memory is anywhere near accurate, it was Nixon who made the first serious attempt to open up the PRC, and GHW Bush was our first real Diplomatic envoy. I am joking because that is readily verifiable for anyone who is interested.
It was probably a worthwhile gamble to bet that it would ultimately pay dividends to expose more of the Chinese people to the outside world; and for them to experience a degree of prosperity heretofore unknown through the mechanism of investment by capitalist corporations.
I cannot say when it should have become obvious that the strategy was not working; and that the Chinese political structure was not changing; but, that China was intent on replacing us as a dominant power. Meanwhile, China was inexorably sucking dry our own manufacturing capability, while stealing our technology. But, it had to be evident some time ago to our intelligence community and policy makers, not to mention the leaders of industry and academe. that we were “riding the tiger”.
We were failed for over the course of several national administrations. The average person will never know to what extent it came about through simple ineptitude; and to what extent greed and other nefarious motives were at play.
It has apparently taken this disaster to wake us up to a very serious, multifaceted, problem The question is whether we have the national and political will to swallow the strong medicine necessary.
Mentioned in the New York Times “Monday Briefing” under the headline “Why A Virus Blog Went Viral,” (and says the NYT, already viewed by six million people), so may be pointed to by them just to stir up more opposition to Trump’s wanting to open up America again, but this article, by a Professor Erin Bromage, who lists himself as being a Comparative Immunologist and Professor of Biology (specializing in Immunology) who teaches at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth, is titled, “The Risks—Know Them—Avoid Them,” and early on in his analysis he writes this paragraph–
“It seems many people are breathing some relief, and I’m not sure why. An epidemic curve has a relatively predictable upslope and once the peak is reached, the back slope can also be predicted. We have robust data from the outbreaks in China and Italy, that shows the backside of the mortality curve declines slowly, with deaths persisting for months. Assuming we have just crested in deaths at 70k, it is possible that we lose another 70,000 people over the next 6 weeks as we come off that peak. That’s what’s going to happen with a lockdown.”*
His analysis does seem to be written by someone who has a scientific background that gives him some credibility, is well argued, is comprehensive in coverage, gives answers to basic questions that are on everyone’s minds, includes a lot of very detailed and specific information, and several relevant case studies/illustrative examples.
* See https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
China is now causing problems on the border with india..
in Sikkim..
this started yesterday…
they caused problems in the sea by indonesia
they caused issues in the sea with vietnam
in peace, prepare for war
the chinese now know the US is at its weakest
This most importantly is in the average intelligence of the people educated by the new feminist controlled and improved education system, where people cant tell you which side won the civil war, that WWII existed, the year the revolutionary war happened and tons of other things – which you can watch videos of (tons of videos of not a few)..
Weakness is NOT something soviets tolerate, they take advantage
Death is not something that bothers them, neither war, nor nuclear games
Lying is their normal trade craft, as is anything else that can lead to power as morality is not real but a human construct of weakness. If you think they treat their own bad, wait to see what they do to those who are not their own.
Indian and Chinese troops ‘clash on border’ in Sikkim
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52606774
Cont’d–I should have also included the next small paragraph that directly follows the one I quoted above i.e.
“As states reopen, and we give the virus more fuel, all bets are off. I understand the reasons for reopening the economy, but I’ve said before, if you don’t solve the biology, the economy won’t recover.”
If you don’t have an economy the biologic consequence is death by famine and warfare. Funny how epidemiologist’s seem to view the world through a straw (or syringe) IMO no PhD or MD.
“New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is now referring to COVID as the “European virus.””
Fredo’s older brother had better be careful; who knows, many Americans might just start calling it the “New York Virus.”
Another point on the good PhD’s prognostication of dire consequences for economic activity: given that the vast majority of fatalities have occurred in assisted living situations and in those with the bad luck to be old (as I am) and with other comorbidities, does the good doctor (PhD that is) assume that policies such a Andrew Cuomo’s (send infected patients to be with the at risk non-infected) will continue and that the medical community will not learn from the mistakes and non-mistakes that have been made? One wonders.
charles, studies of the virus in various states indicate that, in fact, a lot of US problems were seeded from New York.
My husband spent the last decade or two of his career warning top management at his multinational employer that they would be unwise to locate manufacturing in China. They’ll steal our technology and then undercut us with copies, he said. He was right.
““New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is now referring to COVID as the “European virus.””
Cuomo is Kodos the executioner Governor of Tarsus IV
Snow on Pine:
After over two months of reading tons about COVID and infectious diseases in general, and of writing tons on that subject as well, I have concluded that no one – and I mean no one knows enough about this disease to make a prediction I would rely on.
I will also add that in 1957 the Asian flu killed the equivalent of 220,000 Americans in today’s US population. Few things shut down, and we recovered quite nicely.
I’m not being callous. I recall that year, and I recall the publicity and the talk about it. I am sure it was awful for those who died, but it did not justify a shutdown of the economy and no one even considered it.
I can’t agree with wretchard’s assertion that, “If all this Chinese espionage, hacking and secrets theft is so widespread, how come it never came to prominence before? It’s like it sprang fully formed from Zeus’ forehead.”
Many on the right have been sounding the warning since Bill Clinton’s tenure. I myself have been arguing against the “China now values business over ideology” meme for many years. I have read many assertions in multiple administrations that China was stealing technology from the U.S. and that their financial machinations were beyond the pale. One has to wonder where wretchard has been these many years?
European virus? Gov Cuomo is at base a fundamentally dishonest man without a shred of honor.
China, in allowing air travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world has committed an act of war against the entire world. It’s leadership has revealed themselves to be the real “running dogs” rabid to the core.
“I cannot say when it should have become obvious that the strategy was not working; and that the Chinese political structure was not changing” Oldflyer
The 1989 Tiananmen Square protests put paid to that notion.
Neo—I really do believe that a large part of the answer is that people back then, a generation or so ago were–in terms of their psychological attitude and worldview–made of a lot sterner stuff. The Great Depression, WWII, and the Korean War behind us, we had been through a lot, and expected that it wouldn’t likely get any easier.
Today, in contrast, everyone is “special,” is so “precious,” “everyone is a winner,” and the snowflake college kids are crouched shivering in their “safe spaces”–clutching their blankies, or maybe cuddling with their “companion animals,” lest the rude, unpredictable, and raucous world or uncomfortable ideas intrude on them, and cause them to be discomfited and upset.
So, comes the Pandemic, and the default position, the first reaction, the first thought in today’s psychological atmosphere and orientation is–everyone needs to bow before it, to close up shop, and hide.
Gen. MacArthur was right, Truman was wrong, and that is how it all began. Should have crossed the Yalu and taken it to the commie bastards. Instead, we chose to fret only about Stalin’s USSR, even though the US was then the world’s sole superpower. Because China was so rural?
Our post-World War II history is laced with appalling error: Ike stopping Britain and France from retaking the Suez Canal. Refusing to fight a to-win war in Vietnam are standouts. George W’s miscommanderinchiefing in Iraq is right up there. And Islam is a religion of peace, sure it is.
Read David Goldman’s article. He knows his stuff. I’ve read him from the first days of PJ Media. The American Century is done, fini. Democrat taking the White House will be the coup de grace.
Avi, fun Star Trek reference… (original series)…
but i will comment on this:
If all this Chinese espionage, hacking and secrets theft is so widespread, how come it never came to prominence before?
for the same reason that really bad racial things that happen to blacks do not make the news, and things that appear one way to those that look at the surface, and another way to those that dig deeper, DO appear… the point is not to cure the situation, but to make it worse… so bad things that would unite all sides are ignored…
well, the press does similar with spying… and even bloggers like neo tend not to include such things in any assesments, or musings… ie. we ignore it rather than include it… and everyone pretends it doesnt happen.
List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
1 Larry Wu-tai Chin
2 Glenn Duffie Shriver
3 Katrina Leung
4 Peter Lee
5 Chi Mak
6 Moo Ko-Suen
7 Wen Ho Lee
8 Fei Ye and Ming Zhong
9 Lan Lee and Yuefei Ge
10 Gregg Bergersen and Tai Shen Kuo
11 Anne Lockwood, Michael Haehnel, and Fuping Liu
12 Bryan Underwood
13 Bo Jiang
14 Hua Jun Zhao
15 Walter Liew
16 Guoqing Cao and Shuyu Li
17 Sherry Chen
18 Xiaoxing Xi
19 Szuhsiung Ho
20 Edward C. Lin
21 Kun Shan Chun
22 Candace Marie Claiborne
23 Kevin Mallory
24 Jerry Chun Shing Lee
25 Xu Jiaqiang
26 Shuren Qin
27 Ron Rockwell Hansen
28 Ji Chaoqun
29 Yanjun Xu
30 Xudong Yao
31 Yi-Chi Shih
32 Yu Zhou and Li Chen
33 Yujing Zhang
34 Zhongsan Liu
35 Xuehua Edward Peng
We just dont want to live in a reality where we have to pay attention to it, so we dont. we dont take up the discussion when it presents itself, we dont include things like unrestricted warfare concepts (or read them) and so on… we wont read alternative stories that would force anne frank to not be the only one in the light… we ignore people who were famous that have a lot to say about things and now are erased like freda utley.. (even if people we respect like Ronald Reagan mentioned her)…
this is an even HARDER question to ask than why do people change when they find out the side they are on doesnt really represent what they stand for… because this kind of thing causes the people who do it to make wrong assesments, to see things through a prism that jumbles up things, and to add up columns of numbers with rows missing expecting the total to be correct.
Between 2010 and 2012, the Chinese government was able to arrest or kill between 18 and 20 CIA assets within China. A joint CIA/FBI counterintelligence operation, codenamed “Honey Bear”, was unable to definitely determine the source of the compromises, though theories include the existence of a mole, cyber-espionage, or poor tradecraft.
I dont remember this being discussed.. ignored…
how about operation Infektion?
Operation INFEKTION was the popular name given to a disinformation campaign run by the KGB in the 1980s to plant the idea that the United States had invented HIV/AIDS as part of a biological weapons research project at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Historian Thomas Boghardt popularized the codename “INFEKTION” based on the claims of former East German Ministry of State Security (Stasi) officer Günther Bohnsack, who claimed that the Stasi codename for the campaign was either “INFEKTION” or perhaps also “VORWÄRTS II” (“FORWARD II”).
Wasnt forwards obamas political slogan? and Vorwarts the cry of the Nazi Jugend? and Vpered was another?
our whole point of thinking this is escaped from bio warfare has to do with the above thing… its why its in populare culture that this happens all the time, or that the US is evil doing it too… but we do not discuss it… i know, i have brought it up.. its never been discussed… as to what it causes, what its done to our population, etc..
do we care that Vpered was resurrected? nope… do we care about a lot of this?
to list out things would make people shock..
so the answer to the point is not that if it was happening we would know
it is happening, we could know, and we just ignore it and forget it..
Anna Vasilyevna Chapman? How close did she get to the Clintons? what is she doing?
The assassinations of people we can list that Russia has been a part of…
heck… anyone know that mattress girl went red pill?
People would be surprised how much they know they dont know..
and even funnier is that you can just look it up…
nothing one can do about it… I kind of laugh at it..
better than crying… idiocy in the smart has a way of doing that..
As much as we want to claim we want to know things
its quite untrue.. we dont… we want to be entertained.. not knowing
otherwise our choices and behaviors as a group or society would be different
The whole point is silly to wonder why you dont see whats in front of you that you dont pay attention to till you forget and then pretend it wasn’t there…
Cicero,
I read Goldman’s article. He offers a flawed analysis that overly relies upon statistics. China’s handling of the COVID-19 outbreak has been profoundly counter-productive. Had China been open and commutative from the start it would have avoided the profound harm it has done to its plan to assimilate other societies in forwarding it’s goal of Global dominance. Instead, China’s leadership has revealed its utter ruthlessness. It has opened previously closed eyes to its inherent nature.
In addition, China will find it as impossible to ‘assimilate’ profoundly different cultures… as we did to ‘graft’ democracy into M.E. cultures. It’s a similar and equally disastrous strategic error brought on by an equal hubristic arrogance that ignores the intersection between culture and human nature.
As for the American Century being fini, not by China will it come to pass. The great danger America faces is internal, democrats and liberal useful idiots may yet accomplish America’s fall.
As Lincoln opined, America will never be conquered by an external force, if it should fall, it will be because we did it to ourselves.
Wretched just want paying attention. They’re have been people warning of it going back to the Clinton years. The thing is, they were all “tut-tut’ed” over this concerns. And people kept throwing themselves at China.
I worked for a design firm that worked on a “research campus” for hp in China. As if China wouldn’t just take an research that came out of that campus. We’re also worked on a HUGE “resort” that was only for foreign business men at the invitation of the Chinese government. Major portions of it were clearly brothel in nature. Was it to blackmail or entice foreign businessmen?
I distinctly recall that under the Bush 43 adminstration, there was concern about oversourcing technology to China, and his admission tried to stop certain things that works have had an impact on US security. But Obama was elected, and it went back to China.
When we have them most favored nation status, be and manufacturing flew over there… Just recently, economists –who back then said that it would have little impact on our economy — said, “Whoops! We were wrong about that!”
Most businesses who manufacture over there who are not technically Chinese owned, must establish a joint-venture entity which is majority Chinese owned, which basically gives over the technology of that manufacturing to the Chinese.
The Chinese bought a lot of the companies that were dumped in 2008.
A number of forces, decisions, and interests are converging. So this POTUS election will be between Trump and Xi.
Been watching debates on practically anything on the web and elsewhere for years. When “racist” is deployed, two things are true. The left wants everybody to stop talking about it and it’s bad for the country. Oh, yeah. One other thing. It’s never about racism.
This over long but apparently true Hoover Institute report says that we have a long way to go, herd immunity is unlikely for years, and the possibility of a vaccine is very low.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289NWm85eas Dr. Jay Bhattacharya: His new MLB COVID-19 Study and the Dilemma of the Lockdown
China is doomed IMO. A major decoupling is starting and will be pushed by government policy all over the world. Governments will be looking for ways to stimulate and none of them will involve letting things be made or done in China.
The new normal is that people with conditions that put them in a high death rate group are in big trouble. The risk to the rest of the population is low enough that high risk people deaths will just be part of the background noise of life in a few months.
A year has come ‘n’ gone since we heard the news ’bout Billie Joe
And Brother married Becky Thompson, they bought a store in Tupelo
There was a virus going ’round, Papa caught it and he died last Spring
And now Mama doesn’t seem to wanna do much of anything
The major lasting change will be the dramatic reduction of CCP influence in the world.
When large-scale trade with China was first enabled, most businesspeople & politicians weren’t thinking about how much stuff could be *made* in China…they were thinking about how much stuff we could *sell* to China. But by 2006-2008 or so, it was clear to anyone paying attention that China was becoming a manufacturing superpower.
And then first, there was the argument that the jobs being offshored to China were bad, low-skilled jobs…the US would keep the high-value product design and marketing jobs.
But now..here’s Tim Cook of Apple:
“The number one reason why we like to be in China is the people. China has extraordinary skills…China has moved into very advanced manufacturing, so you find in China the intersection of craftsman kind of skill, and sophisticated robotics and the computer science world. That intersection, which is very rare to find anywhere, that kind of skill, is very important to our business because of the precision and quality level that we like.”
And the idea that Apple simply hands over the design to a company like ICT, which just manufacturers according to spec, is simply untrue, says Cook:
“It’s not designed and sent over, that sounds like there’s no interaction. The truth is, the process engineering and process development associated with our products require innovation in and of itself. Not only the product but the way that it’s made, because we want to make things in the scale of hundreds of millions, and we want the quality level of zero defects. That’s always what we strive for, and the way that you get there, particularly when you’re pushing the envelope in the type of materials that you have, and the precision that your specifications are forcing, requires a kind of hand in glove partnership. You don’t do it by throwing it over the chasm. It would never work. I can’t imagine how that would be.”
Yet that was the view of the US-China relationship that was common just a few years ago.
Now, the argument is being made that we *can’t* bring a whole lot of manufacturing back to the US, because of (a) insufficient US skills, and (b) the whole supply chain is gone.
Regarding (a), I think that argument is overstated. The idea that it takes more engineering and craft skills for Apple to make an iPhone than it does for GE or Pratt & Whitney to make a jet engine is ridiculous. (Silicon Valley people tend to be over-impressed with their own technology world.) It is indeed true though, that craft skills and vocational training are very important, a point that Cook makes but Goldman and many others skip over in their emphasis on the need for more college-educated STEM people.
I think that in his comments above Artfldgr has a point.
That there is a competition between what the majority of us believe and, thus, see (and can see, blinkered as we are) –the more comforting view of how we would have the World to be—a “consensus reality,” and what we, on the other hand, might call, “The Secret History of the World”–the World as it appears on the much more attractive, predictable, and acceptable surface, versus the much less attractive, much more dangerous, unpredictable, and real World below that surface which the majority of us have shoved out of our ken, kept below our notice, off our Radar, deliberately “forgotten,” so that we don’t have to think about it, or deal with it.
We are pretending that the world and our experience in it, its true nature, is other than it really is, so that, for instance, as some people see it, there is no real Evil in the world.
That the Wolf is not ever likely to be at our door—see the Chinese Coronavirus.
We have made our choice, and all sorts of ugly, disturbing, and menacing history, pieces of information, facts, and certain people and what they have said, done, and have to say—the rocks and the currents below the relatively calm surface we prefer to believe is Reality–are just ignored, “shoved down the memory hole,” lest they disturb our days, and daily lives, as we focus on the surface, and ignore the often treacherous deeps below.
Something came to mind that is not so much about china but about us and our press, and can be more easily revealed by examining the Arbory situation than by examining china, however, it applies to china and other issues.
Why is our press acting like the worst of enemy press, but domestically?
forget the EXCUSE that its about money, it isn’t, they often lose money, the press that does this is not the highest earners – Its completely ideological and like spying, agit-propaganda.
The reason i bring up arbory is that right now, that particular situation compared to others is the EASIEST to see this process at work, and detail what they did or didnt do that is causing a population schism and serious division (as opposed to unifying over an issue). the division is told to be because whites hate blacks, and not over more whites and on the right, look to see ALL the information, while more blacks and those on the left look to trust the skim information their side prevents.
the easiest way to see how the average press is the enemy or frenemy is to compare the video footage, and information just prior. Given this website doesnt allow HTML there is no way for me to lay it out side to side.
so regular news is A, and whole information is B
1A) News omits the law from any and all explanation
1B) Georgia law says that people can act like police and make arrests, its an open carry place, one of the people is a retired police officer
2A) News omits selectively describes the neighborhood he is in as white
2B) he is 10 miles from home, he is walking around, an officer that arrested him prior lives there
3A) News omits behavior prior to the incident
3B) He is seen trespassing, video of him doing so exists, video of previous trespasses to same exist
4A) news omits the video from a home security camera
4B) home security video shows him wandering and entering property
5A) news omits the 911 call and possible call to neighbors
5B) security video shows someone calling 911, and watching the trespass, and Arbory running away, not jogging (this is important having to do with the citizens arrest law)
6A) news omits prior burglaries or claims that none were reported
6B) the reports act as if all thefts and incidents are duly reported and if not reported to the police never happened and the neighborhood would not know what was happening in their midst over time
7A) news omits the reason that the incident was filmed
7B) it wasnt a dash board camera it was a cell phone and from a neighbor that was following to film the citizens arrest
8A) they start with a video showing arbory running and call it jogging
8B) the video cut omits the parts showing its not a dash board camera, and tries to hide how arbory runs towards the men, not away, and that they are way ahead of him, not cutting him off
9A) they cut the video of arbory close to the truck
9B) the part where he runs at the truck, is not shot at, runs around the side opposite the man who left the vehicle, then turns left suddenly attacking him trying to take the weapon which was not pointed at him
10A) they cut the video
10B) they also remove the parts where you can see arbory beating on the man, holding the gun, and fighting take it as the gun goes off from him pulling it
11A) Youtube removes all slow motion full displays of the video
11b) this removal would let people see that the ex police officer that previously arrested arbory and could identify him, was being attacked and not trying to kill him
12A) they show the video just after the last firing of the rifle
12B) the part just prior was the fight, and they omit that the gun went off as arbory was pulling the barrel towards himself causing the trigger to be pressed and the gun goes off. they focus on the moments after in which the subject with the gun is stunned and walks, as there is nothing he can do.
13A) omit at no time were any of the guns raised at arbory
13B) throughout the video you can see that the only time the rifle was raised was by arbory himself pulling on the barrel towards him, and how he forces it to be pointed to himself as he is striking the person holding it
14A) The news room, director and business of news has seen the whole video and has the equipment to slow it down frame by frame and understand it
14B) the edits above are completely with malice, with the idea to mislead, with the purpose of dividing the population by hate, and cause racial tensions
there is more… of course..
and there will be more coming
but this is not accidental, this is not bad editing…
this is editing with a purpose to cause a false narrative between two groups of people who depending on how much they actually watch, will come to two conclusions purposefully and be set to hate each other!!!!!!!!!!
the same can be true of a lot of reporting over china… ie. they are not reporting that india and china are fighting in sikkim… they are not reporting and keeping alive the spying.. they are not reporting that indonesia has to force Chinese military ships out of their waters… and that Vietnam has too… and tons of other things…
this is really really beyond bad reporting… this is active behavior against the american people by news agencies who are abusing the trust they earned from years prior when they did not do this. this isnt about money either… as the agency who reports things accurately while they all do the bad thing would get tons of attention over the others and so get the cash. this is collective in that they are all doing the same thing. this is malicious with forethought as they ignore actual real incidents that are more horrid and more real racially but would not cause splits and hate. This is not about rogue news persons acting on their own. A news show has dozens of people involved in the editing process and reviewing and directing.
This is an attempt to foment a civil war!!! there is no other purpose to it other than to foment an internal war that would prevent self defense externally or action externally against states violating agreements and fomenting war actions
there is a way to show it, but so far no one has or its been edited out…
[i cant believe i would be the only one who would realize how to do that]
At what point will people realize that the press is their enemy now?
that the press is no longer reporting news but fomenting insurrection to what end?
that the press is now an enemy of the people regardless of which side your on
this is the same with arbory
the same with chinese actions
the same with covid lock downs
the same with not reporting the contents of things like green new deal or medicare for all
and on and on..
its really desturbing to sit astride and watch both sides and see what each side sees and see how this affects what is going on in the streets, schools, offices… and even ignoring which front brought it all in under the idea of liberation and equality and the necessity of remolding a system under the idea that if they did not perform equally it wasnt ability, but was the system and so its ok to work towards remodeling society
where this leads, is not a guess…
China just keeps ripping us off, and some of our Academics keep helping them.
A couple of months ago it was the arrest of the head of the Harvard Chemistry Department because he was secretly doing research for China, and getting secret, unreported payments in return. *
Today, it is a professor at the University of Arkansas who was arrested over his non-disclosure of his secret ties to China, and payments from the Chinese government and Chinese businesses, which he had to disclose (but didn’t) as a condition for receiving the $5 million dollars in grant money he received from NASA .**
* See https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related
** See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8309777/University-Arkansas-professor-arrested-fraud-not-revealing-ties-Chinese-government.html
“It’s never about racism”
You hit the bullseye, Richard. More broadly the whole Dem/left identity politics shtick is a cynical mask for their power grab.
The global economic system we live in has strong ties to China and that won’t change. Trump himself knows this because in 2012 the Bank of China a commercial bank owned by the Chinese state, provided more than two hundred million dollars in loans to a New York office building that Trump co-owns [he has a thirty-per-cent stake in it]. The loan is due in 2022. Also in 2017, a Trump-branded golf resort in Dubai hired two Chinese firms to do construction.
So talking bad about China is good politics but it’s mostly only talk. Everyone buys things made in China and that won’t end any time soon.
Also while I think it’s fine to call CV-19 the ‘Wuhan virus’ it is rather screwed up to call it ‘kung flu’. That is offensive because it’s not naming the disease after a region but naming it after a stereotype about Chinese people. It uses a common phrase in a funny way but can be viewed as offensive. It would be like naming a virus from Ireland that makes people cough the ‘Paddy Gaggin’ or maybe a bacteria originating in the south the ‘Dixie disease’. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they use the term ‘kung flu’.
The problem is that it reflects racism [though perhaps unintended] and ultimately leads to be pushback against Chinese citizens in the US or even Asian people. Recall a Kansas politician suggested that the virus is not a problem because ‘there are not a lot of Chinese people in Kansas’. A naive statement to say the least.
Xi is becoming the Emperor of a National Communist Worker’s Paradise, a Party with billionaires as the decision makers.
Fine Goldman article noting that China is NOT like any prior country, nor any other post WW II rival of the USA.
But it is the anti-American elites in the US who will cause America to fail, if America fails – more so than the imperially ambitious Chinese.
It’s no longer clear to me that “freedom burns in everybody’s breast”. What if a majority of Han Chinese do NOT believe in “Freedom” as much as they believe in “Chinese Superiority”? The huge progress after Mao (Thanks Deng!), the huge reduction in poverty, the transformative creation of not one, but two USA equivalent populations of hard working middle class(-ish) workers enjoying market materialism; such progress encourages feelings of superiority.
If they don’t aggress too much, they will overtake the USA.
But perhaps the Wuhan virus is a step to be seen as too aggressive – I’m sure there will be lawsuits. And the commie leaders seem to be lying too much, and too obviously. Yet to the anti-Trump / pro-China American elite, the lies are useful anti-Trump sticks.
And while the US colleges need huge reform, like bankruptcy and rebuilding, to reduce their anti-American PC b.s., the Goldman and other analysts claiming the US needs more STEM graduates makes reform of colleges less likely.
So depressing.
Tho India might well be the other country that can help provide a check on China, tho their own democratic corruption & credentialism means they won’t be able to grow as fast as China. They do have a similar huge 1.3+billion people. China is likely to soon be surrounded by anti-Chinese regimes.
Please recall how Japan was going to take over- economically speaking – the entire world and how it’s economic model (the govt and industry partnership, MITI) was touted by respected economists as the wave of the future.
It all went to hell in about 1990 or so; their stock market never reached the peak it achieved at that time.
As for China, well, this Wuhang virus just derailed them taking over planet earth; they really F’d up.
It illustrated that the govt. there will do anything at to save face regardless of its affects on other nations.
This will not go unnoticed.
And before the virus hit, China did the impossible; they got deep and centuries long “hate-Japan-enemies” to work to together (Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc; 10 nations in all ) and engage in joint military exercises with the USA, to counter Chinese ambitions in the S. China Sea.
The Chinese govt. sure has a knack of getting other nation’s knickers in a twist.
According to the mythology of the Left, there is still a “dyed in the wool,” all pervasive climate of “Racism” and Hatred directed against minorities in this country–with a long list of supposed “victim groups.”
There indeed have been a few instances of genuine “hatred” directed at minorities that have occurred here and there in this country, but the vast majority of these incidents/hate crimes that have been trumpeted to the sky by the Left/MSM–and, in particular, those that have occurred over the last few years–have almost invariably turned out to be phony “hate crimes” which were cooked up by their supposed victims, by those on the Left.
Similarly, I always see those on the Left and the MSM talking about supposed attacks/retaliation now taking place–or surely to come–against this victim group or that–against Muslims, illegal aliens and, now, against Chinese/Asians.
Yet, I never see any actual proof of such wide-spread attacks.
Has there been a rash of actual, verified attacks against Chinese/Asians here in the U.S, because of the Chinese origin of the Coronavirus?
I am not aware of any.
Please recall how Japan was going to take over- economically speaking – the entire world and how it’s economic model (the govt and industry partnership, MITI) was touted by respected economists as the wave of the future.
Japan has a high quality of life, but they (and all the other affluent countries of the Far East, as well as a number of European countries) have lost interest in reproduction. The future belongs to those who show up for it. The social disaster that’s on the horizon in the Far East (and in much of Europe) I do not care to contemplate.
One thing we’ve discovered about Japan is a hypothesis that people skeptical of Chalmers Johnson and the other Japan press agents were advancing at the time. That is that Japan’s economic dynamism over the post-war period was attributable to a talent for adapting and deploying technologies developed elsewhere. Such critics figured that once Japan hit the technological frontier and had to innovate rather than reverse-engineer others’ innovations, they would have growth rates similar to other countries on the frontier like the U.S. and Switzerland. A combination of that phenomenon, an aging adult population gradually losing its collective mojo (as you do as you age), and a half-generation of low productivity in the financial sector as bad loans were written off, have cost Japan. It’s per capita output is actually about 10% lower than that of Britain and France, 17% lower than that of Germany, and about 1/3 lower than ours. They have other advantages which do not show up in production statistics, of course (such as high life expectancy and low rates of social pathology).
I live in the Midwest, I guess if I use Cuomo think I need to start calling it the New York virus.
Has there been a rash of actual, verified attacks against Chinese/Asians here in the U.S, because of the Chinese origin of the Coronavirus?
Of course not, but since you’ve got 330 million people living here (and about 15 million Orientals), there are bound to be fights and what not here and there and the media will go hunting for them (and just fabricate when they cannot find them).
The problem is that it reflects racism [though perhaps unintended] and ultimately leads to be pushback against Chinese citizens in the US or even Asian people.
No, the problem is that you have an emotions-driven appetite for that sort of social imagery because you cannot, like a normal person, get through life without petty self-aggrandizement and being a tiresome scold. Non-liberals tend to dislike vociferous liberals as human beings, and they do so for a reason.
under the concept of Unrestricted Warfare
We are at war with china, but we do not think so, due to the fact we only believe in bullets and bombs, not alternatives to that in the nuclear age..
while we called it the cold war, we did not percieve it as a war
and this was why a while back i asked a question that went completely unanswered: What would war in the nuclear age look like if one could not confront enemies overtly but instead, had to tear them down covertly
your answer would and should be what china and russia and the fronts in the US like the racialists, the feminists and the leaders of things like the LGBT movement, and even the 5th column press corps..
the 2nd question that we never got to was: IF you finally can realize that this is a frenemy war and they are all through the body politic and press and fronts, how could you battle it and not lose your republic by becoming something else in the process… for if you dont, you will become something else in the process.
[without neo even delving into the document and reading we would never actually ever discuss it in any meaningful way.. which is sad as this will all accelerate now they know how to make us collapse]
Via Snow on Pine, from Professor Erin Bromage:
“We have robust data from the outbreaks in China…”
We have no such thing. Massive fail, right there.
Sonny Wayz:
China putting out phony “robust” data? Inconceivable to Erin Bromage, PhD. GIGO from a bozo.
Sonny Wayz–Yeah, I noticed that too.
And I wondered what Bromage considered “robust” about the data out of China, and what exactly he might have been looking at that gave him that opinion?
One of the online sources I am looking at for a tally of “Coronavirus deaths by country”–which is supposedly updated every day at midnight GMT–froze the line for Chinese statistics a couple of weeks ago and, since then, just doesn’t report any.
Then, of course, there have been the media mentions of reports from the Chinese about how there are no more deaths from the Chinese Coronavirus in Wuhan, and about how–in all of China–there are only a couple of thousand deaths, etc.
Yeah, right.
Given this, I haven’t tried to dig any deeper. Haven’t cared to try, because I’m pretty sure I wasn’t going to find any accurate figures from the Chinese government.
So, for all I know, there is a monstrous wave of Chinese Coronavirus illnesses still raging right now in China, a Pandemic that is mowing down and killing people in the millions.
As I wrote in another comment here, I very much doubt that we will ever get a true accounting of the death toll in China due to this Chinese Coronavirus.
Art Deco
I don’t have an ‘emotions driven appetite’ I have a common sense driven intelligence that understands he lives in a society with all kinds of people, cultures and ethnicities. Also, the word ‘Oriental’ is not preferred when talking about people. There I go again….
Art Deco
I don’t have an ‘emotions driven appetite’ I have a common sense driven intelligence that understands he lives in a society with all kinds of people, cultures and ethnicities.
“We just don’t want to live in a reality where we have to pay attention to it, so we don’t.”
Well said, Artfldgr. That single sentence sums up so much of why so many living in the first world are miserable.
(Oh, and yes, I did know the mattress girl went red pill.)
Speech police and language alert! Montage is on the prowl with his razor sharp common sense intelligence, not an emotion-driven appetite in the least. 😉
How about calling the Chinese Coronavirus in New York by its real name, the Cuomo ( kill all the old people) virus.
I don’t have an ‘emotions driven appetite’ I have a common sense driven intelligence that understands he lives in a society with all kinds of people, cultures and ethnicities.
I see we can add vanity to your list of shortcomings.
Also, the word ‘Oriental’ is not preferred when talking about people. There I go again….
I don’t care about your preferences.
Thank you Snow on Pine …. you said it better than i could..
In a way, its not that WE see it right, and they see it wrong
Its they see it more wrong and we see it less wrong, but even fewer want to see it right with warts and all…
and the smarter a person is the harder it is to do anything, as they refuse all attempts to broaden that, just as they sit and complain that the left refuses. We will never have a clear image of WWII and things that happen as long as events like Anne Frank become iconic and the others are erased and not compared and contrasted – huge push back on that… same with knowing when we are erasing events that were known, like Freda Utley… such big influence, now is gone…
so not only is the idea of looking at the past and finding out about it and having a clear picture goes south, the image of that past is now in flux its not fixed and expanding understanding, its mutable with us not noticing its changing. This is why the left says such inane things… if you take what they say, and realize they will work on the mutable past in the future, what they say now that is inane WILL be the history…
i fear no one will read this…
Thank you too Rufus T. Firefly
Here’s another Academic, this time at Emory, who had secret deals with the Chinese, and a reported $500,000 dollars in payments from them that he didn’t report on his income tax.
See https://www.thecollegefix.com/former-emory-u-professor-pleads-guilty-of-hiding-ties-to-chinese-government/