Waiting for Durham
We wait and wait, but my guess is that only the lawyer who hid the CIA-asset status of Carter Page will pay any real price. I hope I’m wrong and that bigger fish get caught, but my faith in that kind of thing is non-existent after so many disappointments.
“Former senior FBI officials that say if there aren’t indictments — if people don’t actually pay the price for what happened here — which was an attempted coup, basically, on the president of the United States, and also just destroying the civil liberties of an American citizen, Carter Page, then what’s going to stop the next person?” she told host Sean Hannity.
That has been obvious from the start. It also has been clear that the perpetrators felt they would never be caught, either because Hillary would become president or just because. After Trump was elected, they certainly didn’t cease and desist, so they must have felt their protection would continue.
At this point, I fear that even if a few of them do suffer major consequences, it still won’t be discouragement enough. After all, they almost succeeded, and they certainly succeeded in getting Trump impeached and energizing the opposition mightily. For a while, anyway. And as far as I can see, their lies are still believed by the vast majority of Democrats.
“And as far as I can see, their lies are still believed by the vast majority of Democrats.”
Sadly, very much so, Neo. It’s incredible to me.
For the ones who just lose their jobs, there are still book deals, speaking engagements, and generally enjoying their status as a “martyr to the cause”. No punishment there. That is why there must be prison sentences.
For anyone sick of impeachment and Berni Sanders et al, here is a good laugh:
https://goodsciencewriting.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/even-gods-first-paper-got-rejected/
This is where the NeverTrumpers and most of the Left prove how ridiculous they are. No matter how much you despise Trump, there is now both clear evidence and truckloads of indications that serious wrongdoing has taken place in the anti-Trump movement. If you’re not worried about that, you’re just a lamb waiting to be slaughtered.
Mike
This is where the NeverTrumpers and most of the Left prove how ridiculous they are. No matter how much you despise Trump, there is now both clear evidence and truckloads of indications that serious wrongdoing has taken place in the anti-Trump movement. If you’re not worried about that, you’re just a lamb waiting to be slaughtered.
Lois Lerner took the 5th. They didn’t care. Christine Blasey Ford and her handlers couldn’t come up with one piece of evidence (apart from her claims) that she’d ever met Brett Kavanaugh or Mark Judge, nor could they delineate any set of circumstances she was known to have been in that would have made it likely she’d have met either one; they didn’t notice. That’s the way Democratic voters are in our time.
I suspect that the Deep State is nowhere more entrenched than in the Justice Department. I am confident that Durham will meet obstruction on many fronts, and at various levels. I am not sanguine about his ability to cast a wide net; or process a bountiful catch.
When hatred and demonization become faith-based; when truth becomes cultic; when reality become relative; when there’s no desire, effort or even acknowledgement of the need to check one’s closely held beliefs or assumptions; when everything is race-based and when all bad things can be blamed on a particular group; when “doubling down” has priority over any kind of OODA loop; when one’s deepest sense of “morality” and “ethics” and “responsibility” is based on all of the above and one has no qualms—has lost all inhibitions— about acting out that “morality”, then Houston, we have a problem….
The barbarians are not at the gates. They are within; and they are convinced of their own wisdom, sophistication, rightness and righteousness.
They know—or rather they have persuaded themselves—that they’re right, that it couldn’t possibly be otherwise. And that those who don’t agree with them are not just poor deluded fools: they need to be dealt with. Cut down a notch (a head?). Deserve to be hurt. And ultmately destroyed. (Cf. post on J. Peterson.)
This is the stark choice presented, as it were, on a platter by those who profess themselves to be the saviors of the country.
Not waiting for Durham, Aaron Zelinsky, Aaron Jed, and Jonathan Kravis: Mueller Prosecutors May Have Lied To DOJ About Stone Prison Sentence Recommendation
I am thinking the coming weeks we will see more house cleaning, this could not begin until the Senate voted against impeachment this last Wednesday and now those who were doing their best to pull their boss, the President down have probably all been identified and they will be escorted out of the door while the media cries, screams, rends their clothes and throw ashes (symbolically) on their heads.
Meanwhile the Democrats appear to have reduced themselves to the dregs for candidates and a multi-billionaire is going to try to buy his way in which should cause further confusion as Trump seems to have a good chance for another term with a whole lot of real life lessons learned about who can you trust.
I expect some more Vindman like cleanup and convictions might wait until after November.
The real problem is the institutionalization of criminal behavior. At the first sign of trouble, all of these wrongdoers have the same reaction, to call their Union Representative to come defend them: The Democratic Party. And if they’re fired, the union is right there to take care of them, now isn’t it?
Neo wrote: “…but my guess is that only the lawyer who hid the CIA-asset status of Carter Page will pay any real price” => That cannot stand. If this truly comes to pass, then what must be done? We gripe endlessly on social media, but it is like yelling at the ocean.
Next steps, please!
I am asking rhetorically, but folks ought to be thinking through the consequences of an outcome like this.
I do like it that four AUSA’s in the DC office – all of whom either were on the Mueller / Weissmann crew or have a history in Democratic politics – were sh!tcanned today. Preliminary reports have it that they conned the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia into signing off on a recommendation to the judge in Roger Stone’s case that he give Stone a draconian sentence.
I agree with the observations that President Trump & Co. were waiting for the impeachment show trial to end before taking out the trash.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/bigger-than-vindman-trump-scrubs-70-obama-holdovers-from-nsc
Also heading for the garbage can:
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/02/11/jessie-liu-fired-by-trump/
And just for good measure, to show that we still have Truth, Justice, and the American Way:
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/02/11/breaking-jussie-smollett-just-got-indicted-on-multiple-counts/
and waiting and waiting —
https://amgreatness.com/2020/02/11/report-doj-to-reduce-extreme-and-excessive-sentencing-recommendation-for-roger-stone/
Sundance at CTH proposes a theory about WHY the feds wanted such a massive penalty for Stone.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/02/11/mueller-prosecutor-departs-dc-team-after-setting-sentencing-trap-in-roger-stone-case/
Another ray of sunshine…
https://pagesix.com/2020/02/11/jussie-smollett-indicted-in-chicago-for-allegedly-staging-2019-attack/?_ga=2.218049108.37047817.1581496514-1968648240.1493807408
A further indication of the “The Big Mo”?
(On the other hand, Schiff & Co.—i.e., Co-Conspirators, Inc.—have been pretty quiet of late. Licking wounds? Getting ready for their next cameo performance?…When toddlers in the next room suddenly go quiet, it should be a cause for concern and checked out….)
If you still have some of those old tin-foil hats under your bed, now’s the time to pull them out.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/larry-c-johnson-fbi-lied-to-a-federal-court-regarding-seth-rich/
Interestingly, a couple of correspondents on those emails are the Dynamic Democratic Duo, Strzok & Page.
And connecting still a few more dots…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/travesty-of-justice-obama-deep-state-officials-who-signed-criminal-fisa-warrants-to-spy-on-trump-and-plot-against-gen-flynn-are-same-officials-involved-in-fixing-fisa-process/
(Wherein Sally Yates makes yet another guest appearance, along with a few supporting actors—the Oscars came too soon this year.)
On the other hand, no one who’s been paying attention should be surprised.
(Wondering what the straw will be that collapses the whole stinking, rotten, perverted edifice….)
“. . . fixing FISA process. . .” has to be recognized as a first order knee-slapper at this point, in any sense in which “fixing” is not equivalent to annihilating. That court has been proved a menace to our national political health. It has got to go.
The real draining of the swamp cannot begin until this unholy alliance of highly placed intelligence and justice department operatives is destroyed.
Glancing around the leftosphere today it’s becoming clear that the harsh sentencing recommendation and subsequent resignations by the AUSAs was a set-up. A stupid set-up, yes, but a set-up nonetheless. The left seems to have no other plays in their book of plays these days. Pathetic.
Angelo Codevilla, The American Mind: Abolish the CIA
Codevilla takes up the theme:
Rtwt
So that makes Flynn and Stone, Papadopolous, Carter Page (and Trump by implication) all targeted and/or sentenced as part of well-planned, multi-layered, CYA (that didn’t quite work out) state subversion.
The “Deep State” is quickly resembling a “Banana Republic”.
Might this have any implications for Manafort or Cohen—the former having been sentenced to serve on Riker’s Island until that grim absurdity was tossed?
One of my favorite milfi authors describes the CIA as “A few good people swimming in a sea of left-wing bureaucrats.”
“Glancing around the leftosphere today it’s becoming clear that the harsh sentencing recommendation and subsequent resignations by the AUSAs was a set-up. A stupid set-up, yes, but a set-up nonetheless. The left seems to have no other plays in their book of plays these days.”
In a brief survey of CNN news, I see that they are describing the fixing of this injustice as “Trump’s unchecked power on display.”
A couple of days ago, before the questioning of this sentencing and subsequent resignations by those involved, the push (at least in some nether regions of the Internet) was to stain Trump with his association to someone facing a nine-year sentence. What a bad, bad man Stone must be, and how much worse is orangemanbad for associating with such bad men?
THAT is the play, and has been since the day after the 2016 election. No matter what happens, always, always, always, twist it around to make Trump look bad.
Barry Meislin on February 12, 2020 at 5:12 am said:
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(Wondering what the straw will be that collapses the whole stinking, rotten, perverted edifice….)
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Whatever it is, tipping point theory suggests that it will be a seemingly minor event, totally unexpected as the catalyst, but in hindsight will be declared obvious and inevitable.
“Intelligence being policy’s natural servant, it cannot carry any policy’s burden. Intelligence can help intelligently conceived policy to succeed. But it cannot rescue congenitally dumb policy. ” – Codevilla
sdferr – thanks for linking the article.
Another thought on the Codevilla article, which calls for the “shearing” of the intelligence agencies, and the dismantling of the CIA and FISC.
Since the sixties, Democrats have been screaming about the dangers of agency over-reach (often directed at them), and worrying about their abuse.
If Trump really is Hitler, they ought to be just as adamant now about restraining the agencies, out of fear that they might once again be turned against them (Trump fired Vindeman!! He’s going to put y’all back in chains!!).
They aren’t.
So he isn’t.
And the leaders know it.
“And as far as I can see, their lies are still believed by the vast majority of Democrats.”
It isn’t that the inside-the-beltway Dems believe the lies. They find them useful as they are complicit in the corruption they are all so desperately trying to hide.
Steve57:
I’m not talking about inside-the-beltway people. I’m talking about the vast majority of my friends, relatives, and acquaintances, none of whom are anyway near the beltway either physically or career-wise.
I keep saying it: Someplace in dems’ heads are two belief systems.
One is the real world system where they actually know what actually happened.
The other is the one where they force themselves to believe the opposite.
For example, I know some and have seen others on the web claim Kavanaugh is a rapist. When discussing the issue, there are several responses. One, the most common, is to firm the jaw and say something like. “I still believe he’s a rapist.”
Other responses are less rational.
This is in a situation where the facts are not in dispute and are not disputed in the conversation.
They must know others know better, yet they keep saying this nonsense.
So, yes, dems “believe” on one level and know better on another level. This internal tension makes them absolutely nuts in a reasoned discussion.
One relation posts things that are transparently false–still believes in “hands up, don’t shoot” and claims emotional fragility when told that even Obama’s justice department found otherwise. She must not be told such things. Too frail. Or when she blamed Trump supporters for Smollett’s case, smearing tens of millions, she must not be presented with the actual facts.
She’s not an evil person, nor unintelligent. She has the two-system going on and it makes actual thought far too fraught.
And that, imo, is going on in a number of dem heads.
Humans are wired to survive, not to be rational. Tribalism is real and still important. Even today getting shunned from your social circles is a real threat to survival. It behooves one to pay attention to those connections.
Rationality is a recent trick, which doesn’t come easy. It is powerful and has become linked to survival but for most people analyzing a logical argument still isn’t up there with having friends and family.
That’s what we are all up against.