Professor Jacobson: on students and free speech
Professor William Jacobson of Legal Insurrection has been doing tremendous work promoting free speech. Two years ago he spoke at Vassar on the subject, amidst turmoil from activists spreading lies about him and seeking to silence him.
Recently he reflected on that experience, and what he has to say may surprise you [emphasis mine]:
So we were in what I think is the largest classroom there, lecture hall…It was over capacity, students overflowing into the hallways. So we probably had close to 300 students, and as soon as I started speaking, they realized, I think, they’d been had, that I was not who I was portrayed to be.
I spent 45 minutes with a basic lecture about the First Amendment, the history, why it’s important, why historically it’s actually protected left-wing speech, that the anti-war movement and the other movements could not have developed if not for the protections.
…And then I went through the rest of the Bill of Rights and I went through each of the rights of the Bill of Rights and I said, “While they may not technically apply here on campus, I’m sure you don’t want the college administration to take your stuff without some process by which you could contest it, some due process.” I said, “You don’t want to give up that right here.”…
I went through all of these and I said, “Why is it you want all of these rights in the Bill of Rights on this campus, even if it technically doesn’t apply, but the one right you’re so willing and eager to give up are your free speech rights?” I said, “Why is that?” I said, “Maybe it’s because on this campus, you have power and therefore your speech is not going to be stifled. But go outside those gates and guess what? That’s Trump country, and you wonder why the nation—or at least half the nation—voted that way even though you don’t know anybody who voted for him.”
I said, “So if you give up First Amendment rights on this campus and you are willing to suppress speech on this campus, you have no right to complain if somebody does it to you beyond the fence and beyond the gate.”
It was a great 45 minutes, no interruptions, although they came ready for a fight…and then we had question-and-answer. [An] hour and 15 minutes, the students lined up to ask [questions], including someone dressed in black. There were mostly good questions. I mean, I think questions that reflected that they’d never really had to think about these things before, but they were, let’s say, good-faith questions.
…it was one of the best nights I’ve ever had on a campus.
One thing it taught me is that there is a hunger out there on behalf of students to learn about what you would think are basic civic lessons that they’ve never had. And they’ve never had anybody explain it to them, and why it’s important, and why even allowing speech you consider offensive is really important.
Our educational system has become a complete failure in terms of giving students the truth and the foundations for this country’s system. But that’s no accident; the trashing was intentional.
A big part of the not-conservative Jordan Peterson popularity is his willingness to talk about some fundamentals of freedom.
The march thru the institutions, especially the Education of teachers who so often become the K-12 union member female teachers, has been a big part of the failure of US primary schools to impart primary, fundamental civics knowledge. The ability of well-qualified women to get jobs that are higher paid and/or status than “teacher” has allowed many of the best women to brain-drain away, leaving a less capable avg teacher behind.
As you say, the trashing was, and is, intentional.
Tho if Trump or Reps are going to change it, they’ll claim it’s based on some misinformation or other issues, and just needs to ‘return to basics’, maybe with modern tools.
Common Core has been one of the disasters. Saw a recent note on it and how US scores are sliding. Here’s a good 2014 analysis of reasons.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/analysis-top-5-reasons-common-core-has-been-a-disaster.html
Education Facility Security Handbook
https://epdf.pub/queue/education-facility-security-handbook.html
ESTABLISHING THE COMMUNITY AND INSTITUTIONAL BOARD
and as a reference point
anyone want to discuss Havlocks Change agent guide and how the schools used it to facilitate the changes you are discussing? Cheryle Iserbyte (ronald reagans education era)? how about the Dumbing down the schools author who was teacher of the year?
Tom Grey on November 13, 2019 at 5:22 pm said:
the first part was not the reason.. its a false argument excuse
the 2nd part is true…
see:Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt: “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America — A Chronological Paper Trail”, will change forever the way you look at your child’s education. Written by whistleblower Charlotte T. Iserbyt, it is the result of what she discovered while working in the US Department of Education and her subsequent research on the subject. First published in 1999,
and this one will suprise you if you dont get angry at me:
“Soviets in the Classroom” — first published in 1989 — is an important piece of work which outlines the agreements made between our government and the Soviets with regard to education. Included is a timeline starting from the 1930s on, which lists important events related to this transformation.
http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ddd/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Soviets_in_Classroom.pdf
there was a lot of talk of merging back then.. and to do that the two systems had to be equalized… ie. the russian system would have to liberalize.. (perestroika?), and the american system would ahve to get more like theirs..
Charlotte was in office and read that stuff and was the whistle blower.
i tried to find the prior times i brought her up and another gentle man
but alas… google knows i looked at the soviets in the classroom, and feels that i dont want what i am searching for, and keeps spitting out soviets in the class stuff, despite my search is only neoneocon Iserbyt.
Maybe America needs a Supreme Court decision similar to the flag-burning decision saying it’s legal to let the Soviets teach our children and to “put up statues of well known Soviet cultural figures in our parks,” as called for in the General Agreement between the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. on Contacts, Exchanges and Cooperation in Scientific, Technical, Educational, Cultural and Other Fields, signed in 1985 and 1988 at Geneva and Moscow, respectively.
Perhaps if Americans knew about and understood the deep significance of these agreements, their outrage might even exceed that demonstrated over the flag decision
[so far, no they prefer not to know, even if it is someone from the state trying to tell them]
Under terms reached with the Soviet Academy of Sciences, the National Science Teachers Association will publish a Soviet science magazine in the United States. Copies of Quantum scheduled for publication in September 1989 will be distributed free of charge to gifted and talented children in this country
Quantum Magazine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Magazine
Quantum was a sister publication of the Russian magazine Kvant. Quantum contained translations from Kvant and original material.
it ceased publication in 2001..
I wish I could be optimistic. My daughter was visiting over the weekend. She is in her 50s and a lawyer plus an FBI agent. She told me in 2016 that she would NOT vote for Hillary so I thought she was sensible. Last Sunday, she was watching the Sunday TV talk shows and I committed on Schiff, who I think is a liar and fool. She went off on a rant about how Trump is “incompetent.” I asked if 28,000 Dow Jones and 3% unemployment is “incompetent.” She replied it doesn’t matter. I did not get further into the matter but it is discouraging.
You know, I had started to despair for the students in our colleges (and high schools) these days. I had feared that they were almost completely uneducated, or at least, miseducated and propagandized. So, thank you, Neo, for showing me that there’s still hope for them.
The faculty and administrators at their colleges and universities, however, seem to be beyond hope.
Many thanks to Mr Jacobson. Can we replicate him and get him out to every campus in the country?
Is Mike’s daughter the brunette?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZX58rGBh0
Watch out… you may find ‘teens’ are insuring people have a form of red terror
do not fear the Amish teens, Bangladeshi teens, the Chinese teens, or even pale teens, as they can beat up who they want… right? its the victims fault (if they were never born this wouldnt happen)
Mayor Jack Young Calls Recent Violent Incidents Involving Teenagers ‘Unacceptable’
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/11/12/baltimore-violence-mayor-jack-young-reaction/
now they dont let you read comments anymore unless your a member..
i wonder why? the article like most, refuses to give details…
no… i would NEVER contemplate putting my business in a place where i can get killed going home in a mass attack by feral kids… why do that when i can pick a nicer place with nicer people who dont do that and pay? i dont need a flash mob coming n and emptying the store or groups of lifters who take just enough to be petty theft so police dont respond and then they come back in, and there is nothing a store owner can do..
the state has it backwards, there is no development because of how the people behave there, its just too risky with very little reward..
why dont we send jordan peterson to go have a discussion with the yutes
As a recent retiree from academia at a Northeast private college, ie the worst of the worse, I can say the students ARE reachable. They come in much less prepared and ignorant thanks to the rot penetrating down to the K-12 regime, but they are also bright and willing to listen. Of course, my sample generally involves STEM students, so is biased that way.
However, my experience is that the faculty/administration underwent a radicalization over the past 15 years that was well-planned and intentional. As conservatives (yes, there were some) and classic liberal faculty retired they were replaced, deliberately, by “woke” SJW faculty. Those faculty are now tenured and in charge of the curriculum. They made sure any new president/dean/administrator also was woke (they have positions on all search committees). As a result, they have insured that the students are indoctrinated 24/7. That was/is their goal, and they have succeeded. The same is true as far as I can see at all the private NE colleges: Williams, Trinity, Middlebury, Bowdoin, etc etc. The NE schools are truly lost. Remember that Jacobson’s experience at Vasser was two years ago. I can guarantee that it has changed since then.
My daughters recently graduated from two southern schools; one a small private college, the other a private medium university. Both schools were showing signs of the rot starting, but generally it was about 30% rather than 100%, so there’s hope still out there that some places can be reached by people like Jacobson. But, it’s going to take a large effort. And, remember the woke faculty are working tirelessly to replicate themselves in any new hire.
physicsguy on November 14, 2019 at 8:36 am said:
but generally it was about 30% rather than 100%, so there’s hope still out there that some places can be reached by people like Jacobson
There is no hope, because the older people are dying out and the people coming up behind your daughters are what the factory puts out…
doesn’t matter why, doesn’t matter who…
just accept my point blindly… i cant put up information as to who did it, the treaty we signed with Russia that helped, the anti communist laws that were removed (the last being in California and i tried to point out), or lots of other things not on the news.. it would take too much space to even list it, let alone discuss it. You may find it in my past posts, due to very necessary edits, you might not…
That’s just how it goes, and its ok, no complaints from me.
by the way… is the large effort before or after the stomp on your head and put you in jail or after? because that is where its going too. Again, I could show you the arguments they are using that are available but not reported in the public sphere. but just listing what has happened that wasn’t in the view, is too long to even begin to list whats been quietly done over 45 years.
just suffice it to say that they built up the precedence and the stuff necessary to permanently embed it without you or others participating, so now, there is nothing that can be done, not even to discuss it in the public sphere at all.
I leave you to your own curiosity on it..
Civics is at all time low:
26 percent of Americans can name all three branches of government
public trust in government is at only 18 percent
Only 23 percent of eighth-graders performed at or above the proficient level
on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) civics exam
achievement levels have virtually stagnated since 1998
Over a third thought that the Founding Fathers intended for each branch to
hold a lot of power with the president having the final say.
he last national civics assessment was administered in 2010 and showed:
Two-thirds of students scored below “proficient.”
Less than half of eighth graders knew the purpose of the Bill of Rights.
Only one in 10 had age appropriate knowledge of the system of checks and balances between the three branches.
Scores on the 2010 exam were even lower for low-income and minority students; a civic achievement gap undermines the value of equality. Previous assessments conducted in 2006 and 1998 showed similar results.
Less than half of Americans (47 percent) knew that a 5-4 decision by the Supreme Court carries the same legal weight as a 9-0 ruling.
Many currently thing the separate but equal is ok, and that segregation is a great thing.
41 Percent of College Students Believe Hate Speech Shouldn’t Be Free Speech
68 percent of students say they believe the climate on campus prevents students from expressing their views because of fears that they might offend other classmates, with only 31 percent of students disagreeing with this
experts recommended that we stop using the word “cyclist” on the grounds that it “dehumanizes” people who ride bikes
the phrase “family friendly,” claiming that it’s “homophobic.”
he phrase “long time no see” was allegedly “derogatory toward” Asians
huge amount more…
did you know Churchill is a movie character and Sherlock Holmes is real?
We should all keep in mind the latest SCOTUS decision on free speech. It was a good one, but it has enormous pressure to be modified. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, in 1969, the Court said that there are only two tests of limited speech: 1. Was its purpose to incite imminent unlawful action? ….and it had to have another criterion too: 2. Was it likely to cause imminent unlawful action?
You needed both. If it had both, it was unlawful speech. If it only had the purpose of causing, say, violence, but it was not likely to cause violence, then it was permitted speech. Example: someone tries to persuade a gang of youths to use BB guns to shoot down an airliner.
Both the conservative and liberal justices agreed upon these criteria and it is what we live under today. It is a good law.
And, remember the woke faculty are working tirelessly to replicate themselves in any new hire. [physicsguy]
You’re surely right. But falling enrollments make for a lot fewer new hires. There are other self-correcting mechanisms at work, too. It is far from hopeless!
“…self-correcting mechanisms…”
One would certainly hope so.
But at this rate, the only “self-correcting” mechanism on the horizon is the implosion of higher education…..
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/473247-liberal-nyu-russian-spy-nazi/
Barry, that is exactly one of those self-correcting mechanisms. Carrying their advantage of place to an extreme so absurd that others notice — look at Mizzou’s enrollment predicament after their anti-liberty bash.
Pricing their product at impossible levels due to their belief in a monopoly advantage — that is another one. Online education grows; expensive mediocre private colleges shrink. Lefty faculty, mostly mediocre, experience falling demand and job cutbacks.
Most victories somehow end up carrying the seeds of their own downfall, right? ‘Twas ever thus.
The high school diploma has become a worthless piece of paper and the college diploma is well on the way to becoming worthless. Parents are not going to spend thousands of dollars on school for their child to receive a worthless diploma.
A good Edu reform step would be to replace Fed loans for Edu, with Fed loans for any investment including houses, cars, starting a new business, or Edu.
While I’d like to end all Fed loans for Edu, it’s politically too unlikely.
Another would be to end tax exempt status for Edu orgs.
Another would be a comprehensive civil service exam, instead of college, as a requirement for gov’t jobs.
Another would be to make the Fed 75% responsible for the loan of a first year student, with the school being 25% responsible; 50% for the second year, and the college being 100% responsible for 3rd & more years.
Fed prizes for best on-line tests, and best test taking scores, would also be good. The college signal “this is a smart enough person, willing to put up with admin BS” is very hard to duplicate outside of college, but the signal “this person knows enough in this particular area” is easier on a subject by subject basis.
Guess you’re right about that. Solutions will be found (or thrust upon us). Somehow.
Somewhat related: Uber has inadvertently hit upon what appears to be an impressively effective way of enforcing jaywalking laws:
https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/06/uber-self-driving-car-fatal-accident-ntsb/
Serendipity can be so inspiring. So much so that the future does indeed seem….um, possible. In spite of the naysaying “We only have X number of years left” (which I suppose is precisely why they’re doing their durndest to subjugate as many people as possible so quickly….)”
Wonder if this is also serendipity…:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/leaked-bank-records-confirm-burisma-biden-payments-morgan-stanley-account
Hmmm. It’s a tough one; but if so, I think that we can all, hands down, applaud Adam Schiff for having accomplished at least something….
(Even as we await further adamantine achievements….)
…while Joe Biden can continue to tell us how much he cherishes (and has always cherished) transparency….
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/11/joe-biden-financial-disclosure/
File under: The Biden family income—somehow, but don’t ask us—fundamentally transformed….
Barry Meislin on November 14, 2019 at 12:28 pm said:
Guess you’re right about that. Solutions will be found (or thrust upon us). Somehow.
Well yeah… lets say cards lay ok, and the US gets another 4 years of Trump, then what? by then, the kids stomping on the heads of people will be several years over voting age. Not one suggestion here will be implemented, and the debt of it will go higher.
but after 4 years (at best), how much of the older cohort will be gone, how many new and even more ideologically extreme will take their place? Right now the teachers are so aligned to the whole thing and so on, they are doubling down not cruising at the same speed. Haven’t you noticed a constant stream of young kids inserting themselves into politics, from the small young lady who pinned DeBlasio yesterday, to Great Greta T?
They will eventually be forced to go to nationalizing the school which was the point of nationalizing the loans, and a fait accompli once that was done. The little dears wont have the common sense to avoid the stink by not stepping in it.
This was published in 1989. Until the outcome was obvious and saturated, few could see, or believe any argument about it. Even today, no one even realizes that this is something embedded into the system that any solution you come up with, could not be applied, as the people teaching are products of the system and not the first generation.
[and this article above actually references work in the 1960s that said similar, but without the added spice of Critical Thinking]
People feel and stay the same internally, so as they get older, they do not conceptualize well what others know or dont know, or believe.
they hold the world till they pass, which is what the point of many of the things that will be implemented before the boomer peak
A good Edu reform step would be to replace Fed loans for Edu, with Fed loans for any investment including houses, cars, starting a new business, or Edu.
While I’d like to end all Fed loans for Edu, it’s politically too unlikely.
Another would be to end tax exempt status for Edu orgs.
Another would be a comprehensive civil service exam, instead of college, as a requirement for gov’t jobs.
Another would be to make the Fed 75% responsible for the loan of a first year student, with the school being 25% responsible; 50% for the second year, and the college being 100% responsible for 3rd & more years.
No, no, no, and no.
A good reform would be
1. To limit federal financing of tertiary schooling to the service academies, ROTC, misc. training programs for federal employees, veterans’ benefits, and scholarships for clientele poorly integrated into the states as polities (e.g. military families, miscellanous people in itinerant occupations, reservation Indians, residents of DC and the insular dependencies, and a selection of Americans resident abroad, IOW about 3% of the population).
2. Eliminate federal research grants to all institutions of higher education. Have federal agencies do their research in-house with their own employees. They can pick the brains of university-based researchers by providing term-fellowships for such people which would include an indemnity to their employer for the loss of their services.
3. To eliminate public subsidies and guarantees on student loans. Assign the function under law to banks, credit unions, and finance companies and provide just enough enhanced creditor protection in bankruptcy proceedings to allow a market in these loans to emerge at non-usurious rates.
4. To institute a new degree architecture binding on schools which recruit across state lines. This would include preparatory certificates of various duration (but no more than 70 credit-hours), a standard duration of 48-60 credit-hours in a discrete subject for occupational degrees; a standard duration of 30, 60, or 90 credits for degrees in any discrete academic or artistic subjects Training degrees of more extended duration (w or w/o required internships) would be found only in (1) architecture and engineering; (2) medicine and certain peri-medical occupations; (3) law (for some); and (4) veterinary medicine. Research degrees would consist of 1 year atop your academic or occupational degree and then a dissertation. No more distribution requirements.
5. Impose by state law glossaries binding on the public institutions of the state, prohibiting the award of degrees or certificates in supposed subjects not named and described in the glossary. Require private institutions disclose to any student contemplating a major outside the glossary that the degree program in question is not recognized by the state government as a worthwhile discipline. No more ‘women’s studies’.
6. Limit state financing of tertiary schooling to a trio of funds which encompass fixed percentages of the personal income flow in the state. One fund would finance programs which map roughly to today’s community colleges, one would finance those which map roughly to undergraduate schooling outside the community colleges, and one would finance programs which map roughly to post-baccalaureate schooling. Each household in the state would apply a large per-person exemption to it’s income, then forward to the state a fixed % of their income in excess of the exemption. The tax to finance one fund would include an exemption which would excuse about 45% of the states population; that to finance another would excuse about 55%; that to finance the third would excuse 85%. There would be no state (or local) appropriations for public or private institutions from any source other than these three funds with three exceptions: bond issues to finance the construction of a new institution; bond issues to add increments to a general endowment at each institution meant to provide research grants to faculty therein; and Medicaid re-imbursements for those public institutions which incorporate a university medical center. Any such bond issue would have to be approved by referendum.
7. Have a fixed target of annual matriculants at public institutions of a given type, distributed among given institutions according to a conventional formula. Any student admitted would have a claim on a tuition voucher and a room-and-board voucher that they could exercise by paying a recipient’s fee to the state treasury. These fees would be general revenues and the schools would never see them. The payment of the fee could be financed various ways, student loans among them. Upon receipt, the student would present them to the institution, who would turn them into the applicable state fund, which would redeem them to the institution for a face value determined annually by the supervisors of the state higher education funds in consultation with staff actuaries. The recipient’s fee would be set at a sliding scale according to the aspirant’s history of receiving discounted vouchers and according to the number of tax returns he (while an adult) and his parents (while he was a juvenile) have filed during his natural life.
8. Among other things.
HUGE! EXCLUSIVE BOMBSHELL: Documents Released by Ukrainian General Prosecutor’s Office Reveal MILLIONS Funneled to Hunter Biden and the John Kerry Family
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/huge-exclusive-bombshell-documents-released-by-ukrainian-general-prosecutors-office-reveal-millions-funneled-to-hunter-biden-and-the-john-kerry-family/
Given the sources, its going to be denied outright by some, and others as fabricated, and others as real – let the popcorn games begin!
Now, are they going to check out Nancy Pelosi’s kid who is at a different company in the Ukraine? Or is that why she hurried today to say that they will work to approve the Mexico Canada trade deal?
there are news sites that deny this is fact, so, with a grain of salt:
Nancy Pelosi’s son Paul Pelosi Jr. (who went to Ukraine in 2017) was a board member of Viscoil and executive at its related company NRGLab
and then there is always Devon Archer…
Though I’ve not give a dime to my old school since Ward Churchill became infamous, they still send me yearly updates on the School of Geology from which I graduated in 1954.
Over the last forty years the geology professors and grad students seem to be specializing in glaciology, coral reefs, endangered species, environmental pollution, and other interesting subjects but none are studying petroleum exploration or mining – which studies were the backbone of the curriculum when I was in school. It was highly amusing to me to see an announcement in the latest bulletin that they were offering a freshman class on an over view of the principles of petroleum exploration. They were surprised that the class was over subscribed. How could that be? After all the oil industry is verboten. Right? It seems to not have occurred to the faculty that some students might be interested in the possibilities of getting good paying jobs with oil and gas companies after graduation. A hopeful sign? Maybe. Depends on whether the geology department poo bahs decide they don’t want to dirty their hands with an industry as reviled by the “right people” as oil and gas.
Over the last forty years the geology professors and grad students seem to be specializing in glaciology, coral reefs, endangered species, environmental pollution, and other interesting subjects but none are studying petroleum exploration or mining – which studies were the backbone of the curriculum when I was in school.
Some things are properly studied in academic departments, some in trade schools. You can have cross-listed courses and faculty members with joint appointments, but the geology department in the college of arts and sciences is properly a thing distinct from the school of mines.
Just a thought.
Art Deco: “….but the geology department in the college of arts and sciences is properly a thing distinct from the school of mines.”
A geology specialization outside of mining and oil exploration leadsto two possible jobs – teaching geology or working for the government. Both necessary careers, but the job openings are limited in comparison to mining and oil exploration. Teaching and government work also don’t afford the opportunities to start your own business that being expert in mining or oil geology provides. Several of my old friends from the oil business became quite wealthy as independent operators. Limiting a department to only academic pursuits certainly doesn’t serve the students or society well. All state universities in the Oil Patch – Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana – offer petroleum geology as the backbones of their geology schools. A service to their states’ needs. Colorado was never a big oil producer, but with the advent of fracking, it has needs for geologists as well. Why shouldn’t some of them be produced by its university?
Our colleges are not even trying to provide education that leads to productive employment for a large number of their graduates. With the astronomical growth of government provided student loans, they are harming both their students and society at large.
Art Deco:
Some things you don’t know about: stratigraphy, sedimentology, geophysics, structural geology, rock mechanics, exploration geophysics, mineralogy, economic geology, paleontology, geostatistics (yes, that is a particular subset of the field) … Not exactly trade school topics. Stick to what you know.
J.J. ahh…a fellow Buff! Though I graduated 20 years later. I also have not contributed to CU since Ward Churchill, and last year when I visited, I confirmed that indeed it’s become The People’s Republic of Boulder…a bit sad.
Hi physicsguy. Glad to know you’re a fellow Buff. Glory, glory Colorado. 😉
‘Twas a great place to go to school. Especially for geology students. All that geology growing wild right off campus. One of my senior projects was measuring detailed cross sections of the Fountain Formation (The stuff the Flatirons are made of.) Knocked it off during spring break because the outcrops were so close to campus. 🙂
You may have heard of Dr. Pietenpol, who taught physics there in my era. He loved to teach freshman physics. It was called Dr. Pietenpol’s magic show because he did so many interesting demos in class. Nice memories.
A geology specialization outside of mining and oil exploration leadsto two possible jobs
Again, academic departments trade in things that don’t map precisely to careers, even if they make an applicant interesting to someone hiring.
Art Deco: Some things you don’t know about:
You know, you could always get a pet or a proper hobby.
Our colleges are not even trying to provide education that leads to productive employment for a large number of their graduates.
Again, 65% of all baccalaureate degrees awarded are in vocational subjects. The share is higher, not lower, than was the case 50 years ago. In 1970, about 12% of each birth cohort was cadging a degree in an academic or artistic subject. It might be 16% nowadays. Socially superoptimal, but not a radical difference.
Disney has added disclaimers to movies such as Dumbo, The Jungle Book and Lady and the Tramp warning of “outdated cultural depictions.”
It was reported by some outlets that the studio would cut some controversial scenes, such as one from Dumbo featuring a crow named Jim Crow, but other outlets have said the scene hasn’t been removed. Disney also “reinvented” the The Siamese Cat Song from the original Lady and the Tramp for the company’s live-action remake.
What part of the Ivy Halls that Art Deco is pining for and praising isn’t equivalent to post adolescent day care? Not to be confused with that low class trade school? Or, heavens forbid, engineering, an applied science. He needs a hobby, no pet would have him.
J.J. on November 14, 2019 at 1:59 pm said:
Though I’ve not give a dime to my old school since Ward Churchill became infamous, they still send me yearly updates on the School of Geology from which I graduated in 1954.
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Wow – you really are older than the hills!
😉