“Whistleblower” credibility
Here’s a post at RedState entitled, “If Ciaramella is the Whistleblower, Democrats Have Made a Major Blunder and Their Credibility Will Evaporate.” An excerpt:
When the American people fully understand that Ciaramella submitted his complaint for the sole purpose of triggering an impeachment inquiry, and learn about his activities and close associations in D.C., the limited credibility the Democratic Party still retains will evaporate. Especially if the Durham investigation turns up criminal or merely unethical behavior on the part of Obama Administration officials.
One observation I have is that the repeated use of the term “whistleblower” gives Ciaramella (or whosever it is) much too much credit. He is not an actual whistleblower, a term with a precise legal definition that this person does not even begin to meet, and that’s true whether it’s Ciaramella or not:
As I first explained in a column six weeks ago, the so-called “whistleblower” is not a whistleblower at all. The complaint he filed against President Trump does not meet the two requisite conditions set forth in the ICWPA. That is, the alleged wrongful conduct must involve intelligence activity and it must be committed by a member of the intelligence community.
This was meticulously explained in an 11-page opinion by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) when it issued the following opinion: “The president is not a member of the intelligence community, and his communication with a foreign leader involved no intelligence operation or other activity aided at collecting or analyzing foreign intelligence.”…
To put it plainly, there is no whistleblower statute that permits an unelected and inferior federal employee to blow the whistle on the president, the most superior officer in the U.S. government.
Article II of the Constitution gives the president sweeping power to conduct foreign affairs, negotiate with leaders of other nations, make requests or solicit information.
In addition, even for a bona fide whistleblower, there is no guarantee of anonymity.
And yet you will find that virtually every liberal – and nearly all the MSM coverage – proclaims that this is a whistleblower and that it is wrong to “out” him. So much for facts, or law. The stakes are too high for the Democrats and the MSM to pay attention to such niceties.
So why would they care who Ciaramella is or what his motives might be, or even whether he is trustworthy? Will Democratic credibility collapse even more as a result of what we learn about him and how biased he is, and how connected to the major coup planners? It really depends, as so many things do, on what the vast (or maybe not-so-vast) middle-of-the-road group of Americans manages to learn about it, and what they ultimately come to believe is true.
The Democrats’ plan is ultimately to marginalize the “whistleblower,” and make him a person who served merely to jump-start a huge investigation in which biased witnesses attempt to corroborate (mostly through their own opinions rather than factual knowledge) what the “whistleblower” said Trump had done and how alarming it was. The idea was (and still is) to hammer home the same message from various other sources and hope that sheer repetition and numbers will make the public forget that there is no actual evidence of wrongdoing.
Another hope the Democrats have is to discover an actual smoking gun if they search long enough and hard enough. If that were to happen, who the “whistleblower” is will then become relatively unimportant.
Those are their hopes. So far it doesn’t seem to have happened. And of course, there are the looming Horowitz and Durham investigations, breathing down their necks.
[NOTE: For much more on who Ciaramella is, please see this.]
The Democrats will not lose their credibility with 40% of the population under any circumstances. As for the 20% or so who are persuadable (now and again), they are not, by and large, paying attention. Another Wile E Coyote fail by the Democrats may move the needle a tad. The tad might be all Trump needs.
No article about Eric Ciaramella in Wikipedia yet. Only other scrubbing of which I’ve been aware on that platform was The People’s Cube.
Does credibility matter any more?
Or have the wolves in sheep’s clothing gutted it, and abused it to the point that credibility means very little and now must be manufactured by the consensus of the “right” people?
What is the credibility of the western cannon?
What hath the feminist wrought by deflating the credibility of western men?
Reading your excerpt, i see it more as a question of comprehension (of the implications) not credibility,
or the automatic blind credulity, and inability to believe an opposing side could even be truthful when they
even say the same thing.
Do they even know what these words mean and how they are applied, not just parroting a dictionary that has changed to help create the situation, not one where referencing helps negate it. As you sort of point out by declaring that this has a precise legal definition (so did rape, so did other things, and now they dont. men used to not have pudenda’s, now they do, and women all had them, but now some dont – too bad for the two (old definition) women destroyed in MMA boxing)
You have the state saying we protect whistleblowers (who say what we want).
However the whistleblower who who leaked footage of ABC anchor Amy Robach, was fired.
NEO: you will find that virtually every liberal – and nearly all the MSM coverage – proclaims that this is a whistleblower and that it is wrong to “out” him. So much for facts, or law.
They know, just as the Jugend knew, that once they win, whatever they want can be law, just as what they want to be a right or take away a right, can be what they want, as that is how they conceive the purpose and power of the state.
l’etat ce moi
(because we are all the same and all want the same stuff, till we find out not)
The problem is that they know you only have to fail once against an infinite series of trials that are going to happen over centuries if necessary, as driven by driving women to destroy family and leave their kids with the farmer, so they can go off and believe they are something more important when defined by work by a new definition of domesticated.
MOOOOOOVE on over everyone, cause even if they can see where this ends up, they will rather end up there than admit it
NEO: Another hope the Democrats have is to discover an actual smoking gun if they search long enough and hard enough. If that were to happen, who the “whistleblower” is will then become relatively unimportant.
yeah, but that’s driven by everyone’s knowing that Trump, cant be honest…
Something i said from day one was true, he is… maybe not honest in the way you define it with extra rules
But honest to the rules of the game as defined by law, and morals (given the things he does we dont believe)
Honesty is a shield in a den of lions or serpents when nothing else would have been or worked!
their frustration is that they can search for years and not find anything
his plus, is this false belief has them digging for gold in a peat bog..
The body of Catron’s post is predictable, but one of his commenters makes a point that is obvious, although I haven’t seen articulated anywhere yet.
The context is Schiff’s assertions that “outing” the snowblower (h/t Artfldgr) will cause him to become physically endangered (NOTE: that only happens when Conservatives are SWATTED by Democrats or attacked by their military arm Antifa; Republicans are always being verbally endangered — per the Left’s own definitions by the Democrats’ propaganda arm).
https://spectator.org/the-difference-between-schiff-and-shinola/
Too bad he’s been promoted to whistleblower, rather than Dem boot-licker. He’s an anti-Trump activist, only a little more active and bold than most of the gov’t bootlickers who mostly all hate Trump; and most also hate all Reps.
The hatred of Reps comes from the demonization taught or encouraged in colleges — where most gov’t bureaucrats come from.
Thinking they’re superior to normal folk: academically thus intellectually, as well as morally, and certainly empathically in their caring for the many many victims.
The whole of it was worked out long ago… and ignored by the victims, remembered and revered by the players.
IN the current season of clarity, you can take the above, and lay out who plays what roles and understand the the terrain of the system! and all you had to do was know what was written and forgotten in 1869 – not only the above, but also the Magyar Struggle (which details the Jews and other hidebound peoples have to go, whether by a world storm (holocaust) or by population control or by feminist voluntary action.
With the recently completely changed Lenin’s Liberalism is a infantile disorder (now all the references i can find has changed the world liberalism all over the web, and you guys missed THAT level of power)
Hidebound: unwilling or unable to change because of tradition or convention.
is that YOU? is that the essence of Judaism? its was never because they were successful, or even religous… its because they refuse to change… same with flyover country…. same with most of what is going on… so much in such a small sentence that was “The Magyar Struggle” the predictor of the self assigned Magyar and his book “My Struggle” (Mein Kampf)…
WE MUST NEVER LET THEM KNOW THAT THESE IDEAS ARE NOT THEIRS!!! — William Munzenberg
What is the credibility of the western cannon?
What is Rear Admiral Grace Hopper’s code cred, since after all she was looking to put steel on target.
However the whistleblower who who leaked footage of ABC anchor Amy Robach, was fired.
Actually, it appears not: they got the wrong gal.
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/11/08/abc-insider-why-i-alone-released-the-amy-robach-epstein-tape/
The hatred of Reps comes from the demonization taught or encouraged in colleges — where most gov’t bureaucrats come from.
My data in re higher education is a trifle dated, but I think there’s relatively little of that most places. It’s not what they do hear that matters, it’s the case not presented. Same deal with secondary schools and with PBS / NPR.
CBS Scum fired this woman: https://pjmedia.com/trending/megyn-kelly-interviews-ashley-bianco-cbs-news-producer-who-was-fired-for-having-access-to-amy-robach-tape-at-abc/
The MK Interview: Megyn sits down with Ashley Bianco who was fired by CBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PVEXMN5qE
Obama’s Ukraine ambassador lied under oath in impeachment inquiry, according to new email evidence
https://milnenews.com/2019/11/08/obamas-ukraine-ambassador-lied-under-oath-in-impeachment-inquiry-according-to-new-email-evidence/
The email Tucker Carlson obtained says:
I’m writing to see if you would have time to meet up for a chat — in particular, I’m hoping to discuss some Ukraine-related oversight questions we are exploring. I’d appreciate the change to ground-truth a few pieces of information with you, some of which are quite delicate/time-sensitive and, thus, we want to make sure we get them right.
[snip]
Tucker noted that Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-NY) asked Marie Yovanovitch about the email during her testimony and she allegedly said that she never responded to the email.
“In fact, it turns out that she did respond,” Carlson revealed. “She said she ‘looked forward to chatting with [the Democratic staffer].”
Emails obtained by Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight” does show that in fact, Yovanovitch had responded to Carey’s initial Aug. 14 email, writing that she “would love to reconnect and look forward to chatting with you.”
“As Congressmen Zeldin pointed out, the ambassador’s original answer, which was dishonest, was given under oath,” Carlson concluded.
Since few are going to come back and read it makes no sense to do more than give the title and link..
Testimony Transcript Shows William Taylor Never Talked To Trump, Wasn’t Even On July 25 Phone Call
A top anti-Trump witness for House Democrats admitted he wasn’t on the July 25 phone call and had never even spoken with Trump about Ukraine military aid.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/06/testimony-transcript-shows-william-taylor-never-talked-to-trump-wasnt-even-on-july-25-phone-call/
I m sick and tired of “the looming Horowitz and Durham investigations”. They seem to loom and loom and loom….forever?
What the H can take these investigators so long???
a lot about charlie in one place..
CODENAME “CHARLIE”: The So-Called Whistleblower
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/codename-charlie-the-so-called-whistleblower/
I m sick and tired of “the looming Horowitz and Durham investigations”. They seem to loom and loom and loom….forever?
Cicero: I share your impatience.
FWIW, there was interesting speculation at the Treehouse that the Horowitz piece is being delayed until after Dec. 15, so that the reauthorization of the “USA Freedom Act,” which allow bulk NSA data collection and FISA surveillance.
The thought is if Horowitz hits FISA hard, the act might not be reauthorized — which would be a Bad Thing to some Powers That Be Who Want To Collect Every Little Thing You Are Doing Online.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/07/is-pending-ig-report-on-fisa-abuse-being-held-up-to-facilitate-nsa-bulk-data-re-authorization-that-expires-december-15th/
I’m cynical enough to go there.
Cicero:
I am prepared to give Durham and Barr the benefit of the doubt. Look at the jurisdictions where they’ll have to prosecute. Your average juror is, I s**t you not, a spokeswoman for the EPA whose husband is a DoJ lawyer who investigated candidate Trump.
And both still hate Trump.
If only we could move the venue of the trial to Midland (not Dallas nor Austin nor Houston) Texas or anywhere in Wyoming. But we can’t. So it will take an avalanche of evidence and the gub’mint will have to dot all its “I”s and cross all its “t”s to get a conviction. Only then can we embarrass the rat b@st@rds on the jury to vote to convict.
I’m paraphrasing. But go to the Ace of Spades HQ website.
The judge dismissed the Covington Kentucky Catholic schoolboys defamation case against politicians, specifically against Elizabeth Warren, on the basis of sovereign immunity.
Let that sink in.
It is now within the scope of Elizabeth Warren’s official duties to insult and defame Catholic school students.
Consequently I don’t wonder what is taking Barr and Durham so long to put a prosecution together.
Consequently I don’t wonder what is taking Barr and Durham so long to put a prosecution together.
i posted by neo missed it and i dint post again
they are moving to indictments and their investigation has expanded
you see, trump delegated the ability to declassify to Barr
so i guess its no holds barr (ahem)
President Donald Trump gave Attorney General William Barr “full and complete authority” to declassify information related to his inquiry into investigations of the 2016 presidential election.
which is why i said, they better watch out.. he has the power to declassify anyting he wants, and even for payback reasons… and if he loses, he will still be in office long enough to declassify lots of things… not to mention even worse for 2nd term on doing that.
he has a nuclear option no one really wants to talk about..
i know, i have tried 3 times
here is what i put up before, but i guess wasnt read
Victoria Toensing: I can tell you this, and we have darn good sources for this, it [the OIG FISA report] is going to be very bad for the people in the Obama administration. My source said to me, “It’s going to be worse than you can imagine.”
…
Joe diGenova: I would say explosive and I would say, for people at the highest levels of the FBI and at the highest levels of the Justice Department–more important at the Justice Department–it’s going to be devastating. It’s going to ruin careers, it’s going to make people have bar problems …
Victoria Toensing: Bill Barr problems! [laughs]
Joe diGenova: No, no, bar association problems. What’s clear, now we know is that the senior levels of the Obama Justice Department were complicit in knowingly submitting materially false applications to the FISA Court for an illegitimate counterintelligence purpose. Not for a legitimate purpose, but to spy on Americans for political purposes. And it really will end up being the beginning of the greatest political scandal in history. And it [the OIG FISA report] is being held up partially because of John Durham’s new Grand Jury, which by the way exists for one reason and one reason only – because people are going to be indicted.
Lou Dobbs: Now, he [Durham] is in charge of both FISA abuse and the origins of Spygate, whatever you want to call it–the worst political scandal in this country’s history. Is anything being held up because of simply the vast scope of his investigation?
Victoria Toensing: It’s been expanded, Lou. He’s now going into whole other areas. He’s going back into the origins of the investigation. For those of us who know this business, if you’re in counterintelligence and you get word that George Papadopoulos has said he’s heard something, that the Russians have something, you know what you do? You go knock on his door within a week and ask him about it, and have him give you the information, where did he get it … They didn’t do that. They didn’t do that at all. They disobeyed all the rules of a counterintelligence investigation.
Time to start following the Weissmann playbook – pick a few lower ranked conspirators, raid their homes at 4 AM, drag their whole family out in their skivvies, or naked if necessary, stripsearch their homes and offices, confiscating every scrap of paper and electronic device, including Alexa, notifying Fox News, Hannity, and Limbaugh in advance to record it all for posterity, then throw the book at them, threatening them with bankruptcy and prison time to get them to flip on their superiors. The big difference between what Weissmann did to our side and our reciprocity will be that there will actually be real crimes to flip about, something not present in the Mueller version.
A word of warning – the “whistleblower” is no longer of any use to the left…except…now that he has been identified by the right and they’ve claimed that he will be in mortal danger, they might find he could serve one more important function, and his termination could now be easily painted as perpetrated by the right, a twofer.
“. . . they’ve claimed that he will be in mortal danger, they might find he could serve one more important function, and his termination could now be easily painted as perpetrated by the right, a twofer.”
You mean maybe, **Epstein didn’t kill himself**?
Transcript Shows Vindman, Schiff Repeatedly Obstructed Questions About Classified Leaks
Brooke Singman @brookefoxnews
[strike and emphasis added — sdferr]
It’s on, I guess.
geokstr on November 9, 2019 at 4:06 am said:
Time to start following the Weissmann playbook – pick a few lower ranked conspirators, raid their homes at 4 AM, drag their whole family out in their skivvies, or naked if necessary, stripsearch their homes and offices…………
So your answer to a totalitarian is to be a totalitarian?
the Weissmann playbook is not Weissmanns
you can read it in the Gulag Archepeligo!!!
your thinking like Stalin!!!!!!!!!!!
This is why everyone i know from the Baltics has a copy of that book
everyone actually reads it, not just shows or pretends to
Welcome to finding the evil within yourself..
geokstr on November 9, 2019 at 4:06 am said:
A word of warning – the “whistleblower” is no longer of any use to the left…except…now that he has been identified by the right and they’ve claimed that he will be in mortal danger, they might find he could serve one more important function, and his termination could now be easily painted as perpetrated by the right, a twofer.
are you russian? you think like one..
Confronted by the pit into which we are about to toss those who have done us harm, we halt, stricken dumb: it is after all only because of the way things worked out that they were the executioners and we weren’t.”
? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956: An Experiment in Literary Investigation, Books I-II
trading one totalitarian ideal for another will not keep us free
regardless, your ideas will debase you as much as their ideas debase and disgust you
but only AFTERWARDS, when all is done, and you see the wreckage of your own
Seemingly overlooked and hardly even remarked on, except in passing, in all this whole Opera is the fact that Lt. Col. Vindham marched up to Capitol Hill to testify–all decked out in his military uniform–and apparently admitted to deliberately trying to interfere with President Trump’s foreign policy, as the President wanted to implement it.
The thing here is, how was Lt. Col. Vindham allowed to give his testimony about his little bit of “resistance” in uniform?
Does this mean that whoever is above Vindham in the military chain of command, and, presumably, all the way up to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is OK with Vindham’s open disobedience of the orders of the Commander in Chief? That military leaders have examined Vindham’s conduct/actions and decided that there was nothing wrong with them?
That it’s OK for a member of our military to have a disagreement with a President’s foreign policy and, then, try to thwart it?
If so, then terming this Opera a “coup” is more than merited.
See https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/09/the-coup-against-a-sitting-u-s-president-became-official-on-october-29th-2019/
Artfldgr:
It’s impossible to defeat an implacable, extremely powerful and heavily entrenched enemy willing to do literally anything in their lust for power by playing Mr Nice Guy, following the Marquis of Queensbury rules and adhering to your own strong moral and ethical principles. You’ll be able to be oh so proud of yourself then after we’ve been crushed, with their boot on your (and everyone else’s) face.
We are in a war for our survival now.
One of the main sources of the left’s maniacal outrage and pathological hatred for Trump is that the Red Queen was to have been the final goosestep in their long march through our institutions on the way to total control. Obama and Holder took the weaponization of the federal government against all opposition to unheard of heights, packing the upper echelons of every department in the bureaucracy with leftwing zealots. Look at how brazen their current putsch is this time; they fully expect to get away with it, and if they do, we lose.
Wuss out all you like, but I won’t.
And as to your personal insults – go to hell.
Hello! Action finally taken. About damned time.
Alex Salvi @alexsalvinews:
Trump is like the dye they put in your eye so that they can see any–up until then invisible–damage.
Until Trump came along, we had no idea just how much and how wide-spread the “damage” was, lurking and invisible.
Trump acts like the chemical you drop in the liquid, whose addition to the liquid initiates a very visible chemical reaction–things change color, the liquid starts to boil, something precipitates out, etc.
The shame here is just how many people–high and low–have reacted very negatively to Trump, but–perhaps good for us–they have revealed their true natures–see, apparently, Nikki Haley.