It’s become failry obvious to me that Mexico is no longer really a country with a legitimate government with any kind of semblence of rule of law. It’s basically a narco warlord state with a thin veneer of a representative government. I imagine that all the elected politicians are all either fully owned by the cartels or suitably cowed by them. And anyone who is brave and/or stupid enough to stand up to the cartels is executed.
What Nonapod said.
I used to do a bunch of church support work in central Mexico.
Wouldn’t go about it the way we did any longer. Everybody’s on the take or too dangerous to trust.
The place is becoming Somalia with better roads & internet access.
And when I see the protest signs saying, “Make California Mexico Again,” I worry for my California family.
Seems the Mexican President doesn’t want to use more violence — but the druglords didn’t get that message.
155 bullets shot.
The druglord message is pretty clear:
let us be (rich) criminals or we kill you.
The differences between the USA and grubholes like Mexico are diminishing daily.
See Schiff and the House Democrats, as well as the MSM’s take on the Mormon slaughter, in which babies were murdered. There is a link between these evil immoralities, and it is Satanical. Satan is now openly worshiped in the USA!
We are and have been on a long slow slide down from exceptional to venal.
I don’t see how we can allow a failed state on our border. I understand that we almost annexed a lot more of Mexico than we ended up with in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Maybe we should reconsider that.
Wow, Cicero. That Examiner link describes really unacceptable behavior by the MSM in relation to this massacre. The media reports cited, except for a mention in the LA Times, make no connection between the group’s religion and customs and the murders. There might be one, as, for instance, LeBaron challenging drug traffickers and being shot dead, but the news media are not reporting such a link, if it exists. What’s the message? People who are a bit odd deserve what they get?
I just don’t understand the problem here. Almost all of these cartel people are heavily armed. And Mexico has extremely strict gun control laws. The Mexican law enforcement people just need to go arrest them all on gun possession charges. How hard can that be??
On the off chance I’m missing something, and the cartels won’t or can’t be arrested or disarmed in the near term; maybe the gov. should allow average citizens who live in the vicinity of the cartels to arm themselves. You know, to defend themselves?
Maybe we should build a wall between the two countries in order to protect Americans.
Tom Grey,
Years back, I understand that a large number of Mexican SF defected from the military and formed their own gang. They became Los Zetas.
The Zetas did something very different: they created a Basic Training-type facility and took low level thugs and young men and made soldiers out of them. Only, those soldiers didn’t serve a nation, they served the cartels. When the Zetas became powerful enough, they became their own cartel.
Recently, the Mexican army suffered defeat at the hands of one of the cartels. That cartel had formal military trading, military equipment and vehicles. Just like an opposing nation’s army. That is the eventual fruit of the Zetas original plan.
The Mexican army is afraid and so are it’s leaders.
Plato o plomo.
Silver or lead.
In short, it means “accept this money or get shot”. Accept a bribe or be assasinated…
Cornhead…you’re funny…aren’t walls racist or something?
The Mexican army is infiltrated. No military plan is secret. Mexican soldiers have families that are at the cartels’ mercies. Mexico is divided up geographically, with cartel A (I forget the names) controlling Tijuana and Southern California, Los Zetas controlling another section, MS-13 may now be mostly in the USA; and so on.
Tommy Jay, let me try to explain. The gun control laws in Mexico are for the peasants. The Mexican law enforcement crews are peopled by cartel members in large part, or are suborned by the cartels, with family members as de facto hostages subject to murder, rape or kidnapping. Judges, prosecutors and mayors are routinely executed. The cartels are the coyotes that bring the hordes of the illegals into the US; just that is a multibillion dollar enterprise for them.
These malignant social cancers have metastasized throughout Mexico and into the US.
Who killed Anwar Sadat, leader of Egypt, making friendly with Israel? Why, one of his bodyguard brigade. When you cant depend on your protectors it is very easy to chicken out!
The main illegal drug line leads from China via Mexico into the US. The narcotraficantes even use their own subs for undersea deliveries!
The USA also depends on China for the lanthanum used in the F-35 build, plus microelectronics made in China installed into those F-35s. So China has installed sabotage mechanisms into those stealth planes with USAF complicity!
Our Chinese enemy is using this failed Mexican narcostate as a way to cause the US grave present and future harm.
Best have your kids learn Mandarin now!
New “tourist agencies”….coyotes becoming polar bears?
ead of the Mexican military’s joint chiefs of staff, Homero Mendoza, said today that authorities believe the Chihuahua based drug cartel ‘La Linea’ is to blame for Monday’s horrific massacre. Mendoza said “investigations indicated the group had sent a squadron to the lawless mountain region where the attack occurred to fend off potential incursions by a rival gang, Los Salazar.”
Reportedly there have been recent clashes between the two gangs. Does this statement by the Mexican military official insinuate the mormon families were a case of mistaken identity, simply at the wrong place at the wrong time? Relatives of the murdered women and children believe their family were deliberately targeted, reported AFP.
One family member, Lafe Langford Jr. told AFP “I have to emphasize there was no dueling cartels and there was no crossfire that our family were caught up in. They were murdered- massacred- solely by one acting cartel from Chihuaha.” Langford’s statement is a stark contrast to the statement of the Mexican official.
Another family member, Adran LeBaron, who is the father and grandfather of some of the victims also believes this was not a case of mistaken identity. LeBaron said two of the surviving children recounted their aunt exited the SUV with her arms raised to surrender before she was brutally gunned down. “So where is the mistaken identity? There was no mistake here” LeBaron told Mexican TV network Televisa.
There apparently is history between the families and the cartels which may provide insight and back up the families’ statements. According to AFP, the two families, “the LeBarons and Langfords, have been targeted by criminal groups in the past.” One family member, Benjamin LeBaron, founded a “crime-fighting group called SOS Chihuahua” and was “assassinated in 2009 after he led protests over the kidnapping of his 16-year-old brother, who was released after the family refused to pay a ransom.”
It was mentioned on TV the other night that the cartels make around an estimated $100 Billion dollars a year from their various lines of enterprise–drugs, human trafficking, prostitution, etc.
Has the thought ever occurred to you that, perhaps one reason there has not been any real action by Congress to seal our border is that some members of Congress are being bribed with some of that $100 Billion to make sure that never happens?
Has the thought ever occurred to you that, perhaps one reason there has not been any real action by Congress to seal our border is that some members of Congress are being bribed with some of that $100 Billion to make sure that never happens?
Snow on Pine: Yes!
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It’s become failry obvious to me that Mexico is no longer really a country with a legitimate government with any kind of semblence of rule of law. It’s basically a narco warlord state with a thin veneer of a representative government. I imagine that all the elected politicians are all either fully owned by the cartels or suitably cowed by them. And anyone who is brave and/or stupid enough to stand up to the cartels is executed.
What Nonapod said.
I used to do a bunch of church support work in central Mexico.
Wouldn’t go about it the way we did any longer. Everybody’s on the take or too dangerous to trust.
The place is becoming Somalia with better roads & internet access.
And when I see the protest signs saying, “Make California Mexico Again,” I worry for my California family.
Seems the Mexican President doesn’t want to use more violence — but the druglords didn’t get that message.
155 bullets shot.
The druglord message is pretty clear:
let us be (rich) criminals or we kill you.
Where is the Mexican Army?
And here is the MSM’s take on the murders:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/us-newsrooms-practically-blame-mormon-family-after-brutal-slaughter-in-mexico
The differences between the USA and grubholes like Mexico are diminishing daily.
See Schiff and the House Democrats, as well as the MSM’s take on the Mormon slaughter, in which babies were murdered. There is a link between these evil immoralities, and it is Satanical. Satan is now openly worshiped in the USA!
We are and have been on a long slow slide down from exceptional to venal.
I don’t see how we can allow a failed state on our border. I understand that we almost annexed a lot more of Mexico than we ended up with in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Maybe we should reconsider that.
Wow, Cicero. That Examiner link describes really unacceptable behavior by the MSM in relation to this massacre. The media reports cited, except for a mention in the LA Times, make no connection between the group’s religion and customs and the murders. There might be one, as, for instance, LeBaron challenging drug traffickers and being shot dead, but the news media are not reporting such a link, if it exists. What’s the message? People who are a bit odd deserve what they get?
I just don’t understand the problem here. Almost all of these cartel people are heavily armed. And Mexico has extremely strict gun control laws. The Mexican law enforcement people just need to go arrest them all on gun possession charges. How hard can that be??
On the off chance I’m missing something, and the cartels won’t or can’t be arrested or disarmed in the near term; maybe the gov. should allow average citizens who live in the vicinity of the cartels to arm themselves. You know, to defend themselves?
Maybe we should build a wall between the two countries in order to protect Americans.
Tom Grey,
Years back, I understand that a large number of Mexican SF defected from the military and formed their own gang. They became Los Zetas.
The Zetas did something very different: they created a Basic Training-type facility and took low level thugs and young men and made soldiers out of them. Only, those soldiers didn’t serve a nation, they served the cartels. When the Zetas became powerful enough, they became their own cartel.
Recently, the Mexican army suffered defeat at the hands of one of the cartels. That cartel had formal military trading, military equipment and vehicles. Just like an opposing nation’s army. That is the eventual fruit of the Zetas original plan.
The Mexican army is afraid and so are it’s leaders.
Plato o plomo.
Silver or lead.
In short, it means “accept this money or get shot”. Accept a bribe or be assasinated…
Common dialogue for the Mexican drug cartels.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=silver%20or%20lead
Cornhead…you’re funny…aren’t walls racist or something?
The Mexican army is infiltrated. No military plan is secret. Mexican soldiers have families that are at the cartels’ mercies. Mexico is divided up geographically, with cartel A (I forget the names) controlling Tijuana and Southern California, Los Zetas controlling another section, MS-13 may now be mostly in the USA; and so on.
Tommy Jay, let me try to explain. The gun control laws in Mexico are for the peasants. The Mexican law enforcement crews are peopled by cartel members in large part, or are suborned by the cartels, with family members as de facto hostages subject to murder, rape or kidnapping. Judges, prosecutors and mayors are routinely executed. The cartels are the coyotes that bring the hordes of the illegals into the US; just that is a multibillion dollar enterprise for them.
These malignant social cancers have metastasized throughout Mexico and into the US.
Who killed Anwar Sadat, leader of Egypt, making friendly with Israel? Why, one of his bodyguard brigade. When you cant depend on your protectors it is very easy to chicken out!
The main illegal drug line leads from China via Mexico into the US. The narcotraficantes even use their own subs for undersea deliveries!
The USA also depends on China for the lanthanum used in the F-35 build, plus microelectronics made in China installed into those F-35s. So China has installed sabotage mechanisms into those stealth planes with USAF complicity!
Our Chinese enemy is using this failed Mexican narcostate as a way to cause the US grave present and future harm.
Best have your kids learn Mandarin now!
New “tourist agencies”….coyotes becoming polar bears?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/growing-numbers-of-mexicans-flying-to-canada-and-sneaking-across-the-northern-border
https://bongino.com/mexico-officials-at-odds-with-surviving-family-members-of-mormon-massacre/
It was mentioned on TV the other night that the cartels make around an estimated $100 Billion dollars a year from their various lines of enterprise–drugs, human trafficking, prostitution, etc.
Has the thought ever occurred to you that, perhaps one reason there has not been any real action by Congress to seal our border is that some members of Congress are being bribed with some of that $100 Billion to make sure that never happens?
Has the thought ever occurred to you that, perhaps one reason there has not been any real action by Congress to seal our border is that some members of Congress are being bribed with some of that $100 Billion to make sure that never happens?
Snow on Pine: Yes!