And so, maybe yes, maybe no. (Instead of the default: nope, no way!!….)
That CNN link is just awful. In it, no where, do they actually give you the necessary information that tell you this- Netanyahu’s block is only 4 to 6 seats short of a majority while Gantz’ bloc is 15+ short. In other words, Gantz need Netanyahu more than Netanyahu needs Gantz. The thing that is continuously ignored in this reporting is that the Arab list will have about 13 seats, but no one will make a coalition with them for obvious reasons, and yet the idiot reporters keep adding those mandates to the center-left total.
That article is from last April—the previous election.
“…from last April…”
Well, not really a serious problem (“The more things change…”, etc., and especially because CNN—et al.—usually “reports” on the basis of, “Gosh, what will we make up today?”)….
Besides, in Israel, the media routinely quotes (plagiarizes?) from the Bible—usually without any attribution at all (just think how Moses and his merrye bande of prophets feel about that!)
In short looking, I didn’t find out about Israel’s “Floor Crossing Laws” — when those elected from one Party leave and join another party. http://janda.org/bio/parties/papers/Janda%20(2009b).pdf
This lists Israel as having some such law, but not the details (is about all nations).
Israel’s problem includes lots of folk committed to Bibi (55 seats), and lots of folk committed against Bibi (52). Plus the 13 (of 120) Arab Joint List which is not even committed to Israel, but won’t go with Bibi, tho no Jewish party will go with it.
The “winning” Gantz party (33) ran against Bibi. But they can’t really form a gov’t without him.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not lose and his challenger, former IDF chief of general staff and Blue and White faction chief Benny Gantz did not win. Despite the fact that Blue and White won 33 seats in the 120-seat Knesset to Likud’s 31 seats, Gantz cannot form a government under any circumstances. He cannot build a majority coalition.
Wednesday Netanyahu assembled the heads of all the right wing and religious parties that form the basis for Likud-led governing coalitions. The factions unified into one right-wing bloc and agreed on principles for future coalition talks. They agreed to conduct coalition talks as a bloc, under Netanyahu’s leadership. By forming this 55-member bloc, Netanyahu created a situation where he is the only possible prime minister. Either the Blue and White Party — or one of its three factions — joins him, or Amir Peretz and Orly Levy bring the Labor party in, or Israel goes to new elections. Those are the only options.
rtwt
My mistake…I didn’t check the date.
I did find this explanation of the Israeli system (from Conservative Treehouse comments):
SueK – my experience with CTH is that links to comments don’t always “land” in the right place; it’s helpful to include some identifying information with the link.
I’m guessing you were looking at this comment?
David says:
September 20, 2019 at 4:05 am
My American Friends, unlike all my previous posts, today I am not posting a video but an explanation of the elections in Israel and what is happening with Netanyahu.
It looks to me that he has the blocs grouped correctly, but his * and # are reversed from what he claims they identify. “Liked” should probably be “Likud.”
The center-left bloc, including the predominantly Arab Joint List — which has never been a member of the government — has increased its power to 57 seats, with the right-wing and religious bloc at 55. Neither has the 61-seat majority necessary to form a coalition, leaving Yisrael Beytenu in the kingmaker position.
I don’t understand why they want to put the Arab list in the Blue&White bloc, other than to take a jab at Netanyahu; what I’ve read says that the Arabs won’t join either governing party, even if they were invited, which they won’t be.
Leaving out their 13 seats only gives B&W 44; if Beytenu goes with them, they still only have 52 to Bibi’s 55.
???
Caroline Glick agrees with me on the faction counting.
(I promise I did my math before reading her post.)
Moreover, the balance of power is still very much on the Right. The Right has 55 seats. The Left has 44. Israel Beitenu leader Avigdor Liberman, the man who induced Israel’s political paralysis 10 months ago when he resigned his position as defense minister, and maintained the stalemate in April when he refused to join a Netanyahu-led coalition and forced the country into a second Knesset election, is nothing but a Bibi hater. If he joins Gantz with his 8-seat faction, Gantz will still be short 9 seats. A coalition with Liberman and the Arab parties is inconceivable because Liberman’s Russian voter base would abandon him if he were to go that route. Then too, the Arab parties are so extreme that they cannot be considered for any governing coalition.
And on the subject of fake news and wilful disregard of facts, this isn’t going to help the MSM with anyone who is more widely-read than their captive audience of useful idiots (huxley: cross-reference this with my 3:25pm comment on the Gulag thread).
This week the Washington Post slandered Netanyahu — and Israeli society. The editorial board falsely claimed that the public’s aversion to including the Arab parties in a government is a product of racism. This is a lie. Israelis don’t want to share power with the Arab parties because there is not one Arab party that accepts Israel’s right to exist. There were Arab politicians elected yesterday that have written odes to terrorist murderers on their Facebook pages. Arab lawmakers were elected that have met with terror kingpins. Arab lawmakers routinely support the Palestinian war against Israel and express support for Hamas.
It is not racist for Israelis not to want Hamas supporters and champions of terrorist murderers in the Israeli government or receiving security briefings from the military and intelligence services. It is rational.
AesopFan,
Yes, that’s the correct link site. Thanks for the heads up on links to CTH I’ll try to make sure that I include identifying info in the future.
I thought the info was very good since I don’t understand their system at all. David’s post helped me to _some_ understanding of their election, although I suspect it’s still more complex than his explanation. At least…more complex in the political interactions!
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CNN….
And so, maybe yes, maybe no. (Instead of the default: nope, no way!!….)
That CNN link is just awful. In it, no where, do they actually give you the necessary information that tell you this- Netanyahu’s block is only 4 to 6 seats short of a majority while Gantz’ bloc is 15+ short. In other words, Gantz need Netanyahu more than Netanyahu needs Gantz. The thing that is continuously ignored in this reporting is that the Arab list will have about 13 seats, but no one will make a coalition with them for obvious reasons, and yet the idiot reporters keep adding those mandates to the center-left total.
It appears that Netanyahu has won.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-election-idUSKCN1RL00K
SueK:
That article is from last April—the previous election.
“…from last April…”
Well, not really a serious problem (“The more things change…”, etc., and especially because CNN—et al.—usually “reports” on the basis of, “Gosh, what will we make up today?”)….
Besides, in Israel, the media routinely quotes (plagiarizes?) from the Bible—usually without any attribution at all (just think how Moses and his merrye bande of prophets feel about that!)
In short looking, I didn’t find out about Israel’s “Floor Crossing Laws” — when those elected from one Party leave and join another party.
http://janda.org/bio/parties/papers/Janda%20(2009b).pdf
This lists Israel as having some such law, but not the details (is about all nations).
Israel’s problem includes lots of folk committed to Bibi (55 seats), and lots of folk committed against Bibi (52). Plus the 13 (of 120) Arab Joint List which is not even committed to Israel, but won’t go with Bibi, tho no Jewish party will go with it.
The “winning” Gantz party (33) ran against Bibi. But they can’t really form a gov’t without him.
Caroline Glick pens a note: http://carolineglick.com/a-note-on-tuesdays-elections/
rtwt
My mistake…I didn’t check the date.
I did find this explanation of the Israeli system (from Conservative Treehouse comments):
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/20/friday-september-20th-open-thread/#comment-7376980
I’m not sure it clarifies things much…!
SueK – my experience with CTH is that links to comments don’t always “land” in the right place; it’s helpful to include some identifying information with the link.
I’m guessing you were looking at this comment?
It looks to me that he has the blocs grouped correctly, but his * and # are reversed from what he claims they identify. “Liked” should probably be “Likud.”
Here’s the counts that match up.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/committee-publishes-almost-final-results-blue-and-white-lead-likud-33-31/
I don’t understand why they want to put the Arab list in the Blue&White bloc, other than to take a jab at Netanyahu; what I’ve read says that the Arabs won’t join either governing party, even if they were invited, which they won’t be.
Leaving out their 13 seats only gives B&W 44; if Beytenu goes with them, they still only have 52 to Bibi’s 55.
???
Caroline Glick agrees with me on the faction counting.
(I promise I did my math before reading her post.)
And on the subject of fake news and wilful disregard of facts, this isn’t going to help the MSM with anyone who is more widely-read than their captive audience of useful idiots (huxley: cross-reference this with my 3:25pm comment on the Gulag thread).
AesopFan,
Yes, that’s the correct link site. Thanks for the heads up on links to CTH I’ll try to make sure that I include identifying info in the future.
I thought the info was very good since I don’t understand their system at all. David’s post helped me to _some_ understanding of their election, although I suspect it’s still more complex than his explanation. At least…more complex in the political interactions!