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  1. not like this didnt happen in wiemar when things were loostened up…
    including the gay/trans/cross scene.. and more..
    too bad we wont list them…

    Weimar culture was the emergence of the arts and sciences that happened in Germany during the Weimar Republic, the latter during that part of the interwar period between Germany’s defeat in World War I in 1918 and Hitler’s rise to power in 1933

    The left copies, like a recipe, and so, history repeats…
    1920s Berlin was at the hectic center of the Weimar culture.

    Germany, and Berlin in particular, was fertile ground for intellectuals, artists, and innovators from many fields during the Weimar Republic years. The social environment was chaotic, and politics were passionate. German university faculties became universally open to Jewish scholars in 1918.

    The socialists HATE such people EXCEPT when they need to tear things apart, and make them all fail, then they let them have full reign as this is the class with no limits… nothing is too big, nothing is evil, nothing is off the table..

    And, they run, once the fire they create eats at their own coat tails, they run, then do the same in another place… for their desire is the precursor to hell on earth as an administrative socialist state…

    With the rise of Nazism and the ascent to power of Adolf Hitler in 1933, many German intellectuals and cultural figures, both Jewish and non-Jewish, fled Germany for the United States, the United Kingdom, and other parts of the world.

    The intellectuals associated with the Institute for Social Research (also known as the Frankfurt School) fled to the United States and reestablished the Institute at the New School for Social Research in New York City.

    In the words of Marcus Bullock, Emeritus Professor of English at University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee, “Remarkable for the way it emerged from a catastrophe, more remarkable for the way it vanished into a still greater catastrophe, the world of Weimar represents modernism in its most vivid manifestation.”

    of course, its hard to notice that the carrier of the desease does so..
    why cant an idea be a virus? a bad idea? a bad idea that cant die?

    The culture of the Weimar period was later reprised by 1960s left-wing intellectuals, especially in France. Deleuze, Guattari and Foucault reprised Wilhelm Reich; Derrida reprised Husserl and Heidegger; Guy Debord and the Situationist International reprised the subversive-revolutionary culture.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture

    So the left wing intellectuals that created the debased society of weimar, fled nazism and populism and communism.. but only when it decided that THEY were the problem… they learn nothing and come here, and do the same…

    and now we are suffering the work of the 1970s radicals
    from Biden claiming to be with civil rights..
    obama? selma? and on and on..

    they even have their hitler to fight their repeated antifascism battle as with willi munzenberg and the algonquin table (the view)…

    and you cant see it because your too close
    you belong… those that dont belong can see it easier.
    they cant be seduced by having a place, they have no place…
    so they can see the lie… because none of it is for them

  2. Then: By 1919, an influx of labor had migrated to Berlin / migrants check

    Then: A shortage of accommodation and housing / housing crisis, check

    Then: An “urban petty bourgeoisie” along with a growing middle class grew and flourished in wholesale commerce, retail trade, factories and crafts / Etsy, Amazon, etc, check

    Then: Types of employment were becoming more modern, shifting gradually but noticeably towards industry and services. / computer jobs, robotics, etc.. check

    Then: in 1907, 54.9% of German workers were manual labourers. This dropped to 50.1% by 1925. Office work replaced labor / Labor shipped out to faciliate the “service economy” check

    Then: Office workers, managers, and bureaucrats increased their share of the labour market from 10.3% to 17% over the same period. / private jobs were lost as more public jobs were created and laws were moved to rules, to make the petty beuracracy check

    Then: Germany was slowly becoming more urban consolodating power – by 1925, only a third of Germans lived in large cities/ loss of labor, moved peopel to cities till 20 citiescheck

    Then: The Wilheminian values were further discredited nd the subsequent inflation, since the new youth generation saw no point in saving for marriage in such conditions, and preferred instead to spend and enjoy / Constitutional values and biblical values destroyed, marraige broken, youth sees no point in marraige of future… girls just want to have fun! check

    see: Fritz Lang movie Dr. Mabuse the Gambler (1922)

    Then: Germany became a center of intellectual thought at its universities, and most notably social and political theory (especially Marxism) was combined with Freudian psychoanalysis to form the highly influential discipline of Critical Theory / the creators feared for their lives as the monster they created sought them out, so they fled to the west and did the same check

    Then: New schools were frequently established in Weimar Germany to engage students in experimental methods of learning. / “the New school” was created for the same reason and public school abused this way (common core), etc. check

    Then: Philosopher Rudolf Steiner established the first Waldorf education school in 1919, using a pedagogy also known as the Steiner method, which spread worldwide. // still popular with the wealthy in those 20 cities… check

    Then: Political theorist Ernst Bloch described Weimar culture as a Periclean Age. / the west declares the end of history, etc.. check

    Then: By 1920, a sharp turn was taken towards the Neue Sachlichkeit New Objectivity outlook. Artists gravitating towards this aesthetic defined themselves by rejecting the themes of expressionism—romanticism, fantasy, subjectivity, raw emotion and impulse—and focused instead on precision, deliberateness, and depicting the factual and the real. // Similar movement that went instead to debasement, abstraction, lack of meaning, lack of skill.. offense was now art… check

    fiercely experimental, iconoclastic and left-leaning, spiritually hostile to big business and bourgeois society and at daggers drawn with Prussian militarism and authoritarianism. Not surprisingly, the old autocratic German establishment saw it as ‘decadent art’, a view shared by Adolf Hitler who became Chancellor of Germany in January 1933…. – Kirkus Reviews

    this led to the destruction of books and other things of the past

    Then: The public burning of ‘unGerman books’ by Nazi students on Unter den Linden on 10th May 1933 / Modern Book Burning: Liberal Targets ‘Whiteness’ To Remove Books from American Library Collections // Liberal Fascists Burn Conservative Books At Berkeley! check

    Then: the november group was founded…The artists of the November group described themselves as radical and revolutionary. the point was a socialist revolution. / art world dominated by victim and oppressed art… especially now lgbt check

    [do note… that these people, unlike our leaders maneuvering equivalents, would not know till it was too late what they had done!!! the new regime blew back against all this stuff that was offending the average german… the middle class… Anne Ratkowski an artist, ended up fleeing… as did the professors… and more… THIS is why they fear Trump as Hitler… in repeating history, they hope to steer it to a commuinist progressive win, but fear they may have repeated it without that change]

    Then: Bauhaus-style designs are distinctive, and synonymous with modern design. / we resurected Bauhaus for a while… still do.. check

    Then: Writers such as Alfred Döblin, Erich Maria Remarque and the brothers Heinrich and Thomas Mann presented a bleak look at the world and the failure of politics and society through literature. / our postitivist writings of the future are now dirges of death, how will the world end… we will starve.. global warming makes it pointless… all doing to families what it did then – why bother… check

    Then: Weimar Germany also saw the publication of some of the world’s first openly gay literature, from authors such as Klaus Mann, Anna Elisabet Weirauch, Christa Winsloe, Erich Ebermayer, and Max René Hesse / pushing LGBT was criticla then, and is now… enjoy the parade this weekend!!!!!!!! after all, once the population will allow things they hated before, they are ready to accept ANYTHING check

    Then: Many theatre works were sympathetic towards Marxist themes, or were overt experiments in propaganda, such as the agitprop theatre by Brecht and Weill. / Kinky boots a big famous thing, everyone just whisltes the tunes… male characters are now female heroes we dislike… the central park series? agitprop? check

    Then: The Weimar years saw a flourishing of political and grotesque cabaret which, at least for the English-speaking world / very similar… men are women if they just say so? check

    Caberet?
    The Blue Angel?

    Then: Futurism is another favourite expressionist theme, shown corrupted into a force of oppression in the dystopia of Metropolis (1927). // huge list of new dystopian movies in which new soviet man and woman trumph near the end.. check

    Then: they decided to deal explicity with controversial topics and no longer hide or not face them… illigitimate children, rape, prostitution… This trend of dealing frankly with provocative material in cinema began immediately after the end of the War. // no real need for example check

    Then: Germany’s most influential philosopher during the Weimar Republic years, and perhaps of the 20th century, was Martin Heidegger. / now americas most influential philosopher of the 20th century, was Martin Heidegger. – if you say otherwise, they will attack you… check

    Then: The intersection of politics and philosophy inspired other philosophers – Herbert Marcuse, etc / now we have tons of them, just mouthing off hoping they will be right and int he future, loved. now they try to out do each other with more offensive far thought things – and they love to teach “Marcuse himself later became a driving force in the New Left in the United States.” check

    if you want to know why antisemetism hasnt died, and why its here AGAIN

    Ernst Bloch, Max Horkheimer and Walter Benjamin all wrote about Marxism and politics in addition to other philosophical topics.

    From the perspective of Jewish philosophers in Germany, they also considered the problems posed by the “Jewish question”.

    if your doctrine is to change all other doctrines…
    then yours cant change..

    Strauss and Arendt, along with Marcuse and Benjamin, were among the Jewish intellectuals who managed to flee the Nazi regime, eventually emigrating to the United States – again… not learning from the monstrosity their ideas had

    Then: health and cleanliness was big. eat right, dont eat too much red meat, etc.. this was all part of Life Reform… Lebensreform / repeated here of course.. check

    this can go on and on..
    and yet, we will wonder why we are here wondering if similar thing can happen
    why?
    its soooo different… isnt it?

    not like yoga and pilates is big… you realize that pilates came from weimar and nazi germany? Joseph Pilates… [and if you wonder about all those dance clothes and influences, read about Rudolf Laban … ]

    there is TONS More of parallels… in what was decided good
    because it was not orders, it was premises..
    feature the same premises, you get the same outcomes
    and unless refuted, they dont die, even if the regime is gone
    so the jewish question lives… till answered..

  3. add to the list your own research on

    Nudism – Nacktkultur – Naturalism…

    the alternative health movement with the integration of spirituality and homeopathy was born then too

    Steiner was also an early proponent of organic agriculture, in the form of a holistic concept later called biodynamic agriculture. – we have the green movement

    and you also had the morality films where social issues were put into film and media as ways of addressing them… called Aufklärungsfilme (enlightenment films)

    recently a dem running and celebrating today, with a platform of legalizing prostituition.. well, of course.. and drugs too : Berlin eventually acquired a reputation as a hub of drug dealing (cocaine, heroin, tranquilizers) and the black market.

    Apart from the new tolerance for behaviour that was technically still illegal, and viewed by a large part of society as immoral, there were other developments in Berlin culture that shocked many visitors to the city.

    There were an estimated 500 such establishments, that included a large number of homosexual venues for men and for women; sometimes transvestites of one or both genders were admitted, otherwise there were at least 5 known establishments that were exclusively for a transvestite clientele

    you could have predicted the move to the LGBT movement 10 years ago
    and i said so… no one ever wanted to make a list to see what comes NEXT

    Berlin also had a museum of sexuality during the Weimar period, at Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld’s Institute of Sexology. so in nyc we have/ The Mission of the Museum of Sex is to preserve and present the history, evolution and cultural significance of human sexuality / https://www.museumofsex.com/museum/about/

    go look it up, i mentioned this person before:
    Anita Berber, a dancer and actress, became notorious throughout the city and beyond for her erotic performances (as well as her cocaine addiction and erratic behaviour).

    gonna get interesting if you study history to the detail i have..

  4. People in general are too other-directed and young people tend to be horrid in this regard, very vulnerable to bandwagon effects. Women are worse then men as well. The cultural matrix in which I grew up had its advantages, but only oddballs like my father made it a practice to learn to argue a point and stand by it.

    The administration and the faculty together have ruined the culture of discussion on campuses, and are properly stripped of the autonomy they value. Some adjustments can be made in corporate law and education law to bring this about, but these will likely only bring some incremental adjustments because the civic culture of the professional-managerial class in general is ruined. Awful lot of businessmen on Oberlin’s board, just taking up space.

  5. Our kid recently visited a college which nearly deplatformed a pretty mainstream conservative commentator two years ago. The school had a ton of bad press about it, and apparently, learned their lesson.

    During the recruitment presentation, the school representative explicitly said that they had conservative faculty, students, and parents; that they valued all viewpoints; and if you couldn’t accept that, there were plenty of other colleges out there for you. It was nice to hear.

  6. Speaking truth to fascism is trendy today.

    Diversity has progressed with a significance of color judgment, not limited to race, sex, gender, etc.

    The normalization of transversal orientations, not limited to physical and mental gender attributes, were symbolic of enlightenment and social progress in Weimar, the fetal stage of the left-right nexus that culminated with the establishment of National Socialism.

  7. Actually, I’m encouraged that despite the near total indoctrination entrenched within our ‘higher educational’ system, that 64% of students are aware enough to recognize tyranny when they experience it. And, that only 14% are in willful denial of that tyranny.

    Ultimately, there may be no tyranny greater than that which tells men what it is permissible to think and say.

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson, in an 1800 private letter.

  8. “But which definition of these words are the students using when they answer the questions? I suspect that a great many more of them are referring to diversity of thought and politics rather than diversity or inclusivity involving gender and race.” – Neo
    One of the plagues of polling is that they don’t adequately define the terms they are asking about, so many of the results are totally worthless, as opposed to the predominant mostly worthless ones.

  9. I trust you have all noted that this post and the one on knitting share some salient points.

  10. https://nypost.com/2019/06/25/its-our-elites-who-are-driving-americas-divisions/

    A widely quoted new study, “The Perception Gap,” finds that both Democrats and Republicans imagine that almost twice as many people on the other side hold radical views than actually do. The study is the work of a group called More in Common. Yet even some of its polling questions reproduce the same biases the group decries, framing liberal positions as natural or mainstream and conservative ones as extreme.

    While the misperceptions that Republicans harbor about Democrats don’t improve with higher levels of education, the misconceptions Democrats have regarding Republicans only get worse with every additional degree they earn.

    “This effect is so strong,” the study’s authors note, “that Democrats without a high-school ­diploma are three times more accurate than those with a postgraduate degree.”

    This trend is less surprising when we learn that the more educated Democrats are, the less likely they are to be friendly with anyone who doesn’t share their worldview. Those with a postgraduate degree, in fact, are 50% more likely to say that “almost all” of their friends share their views than Americans with only a high school diploma.

    There’s nothing inherently wrong with associating with people who see the world as they do — we have plenty of room in the United States, after all. The problem is that, despite their close-mindedness, these elites are the ones who become the technocrats who write our policies, the politicians who govern us, the teachers who claim to educate us and the activists who attempt to coerce us to adopt their values.

    It is the educated elite, people clustered in centers and industries of power — not the populist voters scattered across the country — who are driving our polarization.

    According to “The Perception Gap,” Democrats are slightly more inclined than Republicans to see their countrymen as brainwashed, hateful and racist. My own experience, as a Blue State native who’s spent plenty of time in Red America, is that liberal disdain for the American heartland is unmatched.

  11. We all know that correlation is not causation, but still….

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/the-continuing-crisis-of-higher-ed.php

    I’ve thought for a long time that even the most dense radical professor in the humanities and social sciences would understand that the administrative bloat—especially of the “office of diversity and inclusion” that is now mandatory in every college—is partly responsible for the soaring cost of higher ed, which in turn depresses student interest in taking their courses. But even self-interest can’t penetrate the herd mentality of the campus left. Maybe as more colleges shut their doors (inevitable over the next 10 years) they’ll start to figure it out.

  12. CRITICAL THINKING: Who needs it…??

    College used to be All About It.
    Tragic.

  13. The school had a ton of bad press about it, and apparently, learned their lesson.

    Bridges for sale here, Ann.

  14. I recall in the 1960s in high school and college that, for the most part, conservative opinions and ideas were not welcome. Perhaps not to the extent they are unwelcome today, but it was my experience at most of the conservatives I knew kept their opinions pretty much to themselves. In high school in California, and at the various branches of the University of California, conservative political opinions were pretty much social death.

  15. Diversity leads to conformity, at least as it is practiced on campus.

    Ah, if it were only “conformity” that “diversity” led to….

    (Actually, it’s violent intolerance, shunning, shaming, and ostracism. Alas….)

    But this is—simply(!)—because it’s “Diversity for me but not for thee”; “Tolerance for me but not for thee”; “Free speech for me but not for thee”…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Movement

    Simply….

  16. (Note: First line is a quote from the original post and should be in quotation marks.)


  17. But this is—simply(!)—because it’s “Diversity for me but not for thee”; “Tolerance for me but not for thee”; “Free speech for me but not for thee”…
    * * *
    That made me think about the scorn Goldwater received for the line, “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”

    Aside from the poor rhetorical formulation, he was expressing something the Left has put into practice, which may be why (a) conservatives recoiled in visceral anticipation; and (b) “liberals” mocked because they were afraid their tactics were being co-opted against them.

    Goldwater also said, “Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.

    I think the problem arises because the Left has radically misdefined “liberty” and “justice” to mean the opposite of what Goldwater meant.

  18. that 64% of students are aware enough to recognize tyranny when they experience it.

    About that portion are beginning to recognize that the whole Globe Earth Theory they got force fed from K-12, was mostly deception or a lie or just wrong.

    The Tyranny of the Majority is about to end on Geosciences.

  19. Late in the day, but the evisceration of free speech is in full swing in Sweden, and the Left is trying to get that same environment here.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/06/28/swedish-man-convicted-hate-comments-he-did-not-write/

    A 52-year-old Swedish man has been convicted for “hate” comments posted in a social media group, despite the comments having been written by other people.
    The “hate” comments were written in the Facebook group “Stand up for Sweden” and contained material that was deemed to have broken Swedish law against threats or intimidation towards ethnic groups, Swedish broadcaster SVT reports.

    The 52-year-old, who was the administrator of the group, was found guilty of breaking the BBS Act of 1998, according to news website Nyheter Idag, which held him liable for not deleting the comments made in the group, even though he had not made them himself.

    The 52-year-old denied having committed a crime saying that he had not even seen the comments that were highlighted and it was noted that the group has around 162,000 members and saw three million comments per year.

    A witness from the NGO Juridik Fronten (Legal Front), a group which engages in “opinion-forming activities related to nationalist right-wing populism and violent offences”, claimed that they had sent a pdf file of hate comments to the defendant.

    The man claimed that he had not opened the file, telling the court he did not open attachments from people he did not know and therefore had not seen the comments.

    The group was founded in 2017 by former police officer Tomas Åberg who described the group’s work in 2018 saying: “We have developed a programme that searches for criminal networks on social media by searching for keywords, combinations of words, and phrases that can constitute criminal acts.”

    Åberg also admitted the majority of those reported were elderly men and women, including a 70-year-old man who was convicted earlier this year after being reported to the police by the organisation for writing on Facebook that Somalis were”lazy”.

    Looks like Swedish ethnic groups can be pretty easily threatened or intimidated.

    Still, it is easier to hit on one “publisher” than the thousands of commenters, but I’m sure their names are in the leftists’ data base and social media is being mined for more hits.

    This is why Facebook et al. wanted the protection of being platforms, not publishers; it remains to be seen how far over they line they can go in suppressing speech they don’t like before they get tipped back the other way.

    From the comments:

    Dave • 15 hours ago
    “…which held him liable for not deleting the comments made in the group, even though he had not made them himself…”
    Very puzzled here.
    If he, as the administrator of the group, is liable for what is posted on the group, then surely Facebook, as overall administrator of the site is equally liable? Why aren’t they being prosecuted?

    chaswarnertoo Dave • 14 hours ago
    Some administrators are more equal than others?

  20. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1144228783341416448.html
    Doc Zero

    Big Tech censorship is the malignant synthesis of campus deplatforming culture and U.S. tech companies working extensively with authoritarian regimes, especially China. They have grown enamored of China’s demonstration that information CAN be controlled, given enough power.
    We’re also in the final operational stages of a 15-year war launched by the Left after Rathergate and the rise of the bloggers. They were very determined to neutralize the subversive power of bloggers on the Right and their ability to slip information past the media gatekeepers.

    The Internet isn’t really a limitless expanse of information that cannot be suppressed or policed for ideology. It has choke points – big platforms that can be controlled by either government censors or a few big companies working together.
    You don’t really have to impose complete silence and rigidly censor every single word to maintain ideological control. You just have to make dissidents shout through cupped hands while giant megaphones are handed to those who toe the ideological line.
    Remember what happened in Rathergate, when a few intrepid bloggers with relatively limited followings broke a story that blew up into major media coverage? All the Left had to do was figure out how to arrest the “blowing up” process.
    If you broke a Rathergate story today, you would quickly find yourself removed from YouTube, banned from Facebook, demonetized, yanked off popular social platforms. Major media is HEAVILY influenced by social media today. That influence CAN be controlled, and so it is.
    Dissidents can’t be silenced completely, but they can be denied the kind of billion-watt blowtorch influence granted to the preferred left-wing orthodoxy. Speed is vital to the viral spread of information. Big Tech is slowing down the Right while giving the Left the express lane.

    If the media politically approves of your story, it swings from one news hook to another like Spider-Man, never out of the top search results and top news aggregation sites. If it doesn’t approve, your story trundles along through the back alleys of information space.
    So the new censors can’t really shut you up entirely, but they CAN slow you down. They can quarantine your information from achieving viral penetration by forcing it to spread more slowly, while the stuff they like spreads with insane speed and few “content rules” to worry about.
    Real journalists, people truly committed to the spirit of free inquiry, would be fighting this tooth and nail. They would understand the SPEED of information is vital. Governments and corporate cabals should not be allowed to slow it down to protect their interests.
    But instead, Big Media is primarily interested in re-establishing the guild privileges it lost so decisively in the time of Rathergate, concluding a process that began with the dissolution of Big Three network power. Censorship is their ally, not their mortal enemy.

  21. https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/60091.html
    A New Insult-Meme!
    Posted by David Foster on June 28th, 2019

    In a discussion of ‘alternative energy’ at a social media site, someone raised the practical issue of the difficulties involved in high-volume energy storage. Someone else came back at him with a comment to the effect that “climate-solution deniers are as bad a climate change deniers.”

    This is probably just the leading edge of a new insult-meme: I expect to see a lot more of the climate-solution-denier accusations being made. We are getting uncomfortably close to a pervasive climate of Lysenkoism.

    In Arthur Koestler’s novel Darkness at Noon, set in the Soviet Union, his character Rubashov (an old Bolshevik who is now on trial for his life) muses:

    ” Each wrong idea we follow is a crime committed against future generations. Therefore we have to punish wrong ideas as others punish crimes: with death. ”
    [shades of Ms. Hugo-Award-Winner!]
    The assertions now being made that anyone who challenges catastrophic CO2-caused climate change is complicit in the deaths of thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions parallel the above rather closesly.

    In America today, we are seeing even topics that lack the claimed apocalyptic overtones of climate change treated in this way. For example: in another social media post, a woman remarked on the extremely skewed postal rates that exist between China and the US. Someone came back accusing her of being a tinfoil-hat-wearing right-winger, or words to that effect. Even a discussion of postal rates has to degenerate into mud-slinging in no time at all.

    Of course, neither the original post nor the comment included any such thing as a link. (It took me all of two minutes to locate a comprehensive Forbes article on the subject, which I then linked.)

    I believe that there are still people who are subject to rational persuasion, but wonder whether there will be enough of them to make a difference.

    That’s assuming the Internet Gateblockers even allow them to hear the rational arguments in the first place.

    On Lysenkoism:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/self-censorship-campus-bad-science/589969/

    Self-Censorship on Campus Is Bad for Science
    Amid heightened tensions on college campuses, well-established scientific ideas are suddenly meeting with stiff political resistance.

    MAY 28, 2019
    Luana Maroja
    Professor of biology at Williams College

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