Survey of college students: they don’t feel they can voice dissenting opinions
Gee, I wonder why:
The study, conducted by the Knight Foundation and College Pulse, found that 68 percent of U.S. college students say that “the climate on my campus prevents some people from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.”…
In a June post, Gallup noted that it had surveyed graduates who had obtained their bachelor’s degree from 2013 to 2018 by asking them to respond to the following statement: “I felt very comfortable sharing ideas or opinions in class that were probably only held by a minority of people.”…
Sixty-four percent of grads surveyed indicated that they agreed with the statement, while only 14 percent suggested that they disagreed.
The numbers are huge, and it’s a majority of both men and women. Therefore it’s pretty clear that even many students who are politically liberal are feeling the pinch of self-censorship to avoid being singled out for SJW retaliation in some way, and that groupthink is a powerful force that thwarts even some liberals against their will.
That Gallup article mentioned in the quote is interesting. When I clicked on the link, I found to my surprise that it wasn’t a straight report of a poll. Instead, it was an article entitled, “Inclusive Environments Produce Attached Alumni.”
I’m not always up on the latest jargon, but these days doesn’t “inclusive” usually refer to minorities in terms of gender and ethnicity, and the suppression of diversity of opinion and in particular political point of view, in order to protect SJWs’ feelings from being hurt? But this is what the article says:
Tyler’s need to share his views with others matters greatly to him. He represents hundreds of thousands of college students nationally who require an inclusive campus to thrive. A recent Knight Foundation-Gallup study on free speech on college campuses found that 70% of U.S. college students say they want an open learning environment, where students are exposed to all types of speech and viewpoints, even if it means allowing offensive speech. Similarly, a 2018 study conducted by the American Council on Education found that 98% of college presidents say promoting an inclusive society is extremely important (82%) or very important (16%).
I think we can safely say that those college presidents are using the definition of “inclusive” I gave above, because they certainly are not talking about making it safe for conservatives.
Here’s an example of the dueling definitions of “inclusive”:
Comfort sharing unpopular views varies by gender, with female grads less likely than their male peers to report feeling comfortable expressing opinions held by only a minority of students. This finding is consistent with prior research that shows women are less likely than men to ask questions during academic seminars. This gap in comfort with sharing opinions undermines the college experience given that research clearly shows students gain tremendously when they are exposed to ideas, perspectives and opinions from different genders or backgrounds.
“[I]deas, perspectives and opinions from different genders or backgrounds” is that first definition I mentioned. It’s also the perspective of “diversity” these days, which refers to minority groups rather than diversity of political philosophy.
But which definition of these words are the students using when they answer the questions? I suspect that a great many more of them are referring to diversity of thought and politics rather than diversity or inclusivity involving gender and race.
Diversity leads to conformity, at least as it is practiced on campus.
[NOTE: Please see this for a related discussion on dual definitions and their use.]
not like this didnt happen in wiemar when things were loostened up…
including the gay/trans/cross scene.. and more..
too bad we wont list them…
The left copies, like a recipe, and so, history repeats…
1920s Berlin was at the hectic center of the Weimar culture.
The socialists HATE such people EXCEPT when they need to tear things apart, and make them all fail, then they let them have full reign as this is the class with no limits… nothing is too big, nothing is evil, nothing is off the table..
And, they run, once the fire they create eats at their own coat tails, they run, then do the same in another place… for their desire is the precursor to hell on earth as an administrative socialist state…
of course, its hard to notice that the carrier of the desease does so..
why cant an idea be a virus? a bad idea? a bad idea that cant die?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture
So the left wing intellectuals that created the debased society of weimar, fled nazism and populism and communism.. but only when it decided that THEY were the problem… they learn nothing and come here, and do the same…
and now we are suffering the work of the 1970s radicals
from Biden claiming to be with civil rights..
obama? selma? and on and on..
they even have their hitler to fight their repeated antifascism battle as with willi munzenberg and the algonquin table (the view)…
and you cant see it because your too close
you belong… those that dont belong can see it easier.
they cant be seduced by having a place, they have no place…
so they can see the lie… because none of it is for them
Then: By 1919, an influx of labor had migrated to Berlin / migrants check
Then: A shortage of accommodation and housing / housing crisis, check
Then: An “urban petty bourgeoisie” along with a growing middle class grew and flourished in wholesale commerce, retail trade, factories and crafts / Etsy, Amazon, etc, check
Then: Types of employment were becoming more modern, shifting gradually but noticeably towards industry and services. / computer jobs, robotics, etc.. check
Then: in 1907, 54.9% of German workers were manual labourers. This dropped to 50.1% by 1925. Office work replaced labor / Labor shipped out to faciliate the “service economy” check
Then: Office workers, managers, and bureaucrats increased their share of the labour market from 10.3% to 17% over the same period. / private jobs were lost as more public jobs were created and laws were moved to rules, to make the petty beuracracy check
Then: Germany was slowly becoming more urban consolodating power – by 1925, only a third of Germans lived in large cities/ loss of labor, moved peopel to cities till 20 citiescheck
Then: The Wilheminian values were further discredited nd the subsequent inflation, since the new youth generation saw no point in saving for marriage in such conditions, and preferred instead to spend and enjoy / Constitutional values and biblical values destroyed, marraige broken, youth sees no point in marraige of future… girls just want to have fun! check
see: Fritz Lang movie Dr. Mabuse the Gambler (1922)
Then: Germany became a center of intellectual thought at its universities, and most notably social and political theory (especially Marxism) was combined with Freudian psychoanalysis to form the highly influential discipline of Critical Theory / the creators feared for their lives as the monster they created sought them out, so they fled to the west and did the same check
Then: New schools were frequently established in Weimar Germany to engage students in experimental methods of learning. / “the New school” was created for the same reason and public school abused this way (common core), etc. check
Then: Philosopher Rudolf Steiner established the first Waldorf education school in 1919, using a pedagogy also known as the Steiner method, which spread worldwide. // still popular with the wealthy in those 20 cities… check
Then: Political theorist Ernst Bloch described Weimar culture as a Periclean Age. / the west declares the end of history, etc.. check
Then: By 1920, a sharp turn was taken towards the Neue Sachlichkeit New Objectivity outlook. Artists gravitating towards this aesthetic defined themselves by rejecting the themes of expressionism—romanticism, fantasy, subjectivity, raw emotion and impulse—and focused instead on precision, deliberateness, and depicting the factual and the real. // Similar movement that went instead to debasement, abstraction, lack of meaning, lack of skill.. offense was now art… check
this led to the destruction of books and other things of the past
Then: The public burning of ‘unGerman books’ by Nazi students on Unter den Linden on 10th May 1933 / Modern Book Burning: Liberal Targets ‘Whiteness’ To Remove Books from American Library Collections // Liberal Fascists Burn Conservative Books At Berkeley! check
Then: the november group was founded…The artists of the November group described themselves as radical and revolutionary. the point was a socialist revolution. / art world dominated by victim and oppressed art… especially now lgbt check
[do note… that these people, unlike our leaders maneuvering equivalents, would not know till it was too late what they had done!!! the new regime blew back against all this stuff that was offending the average german… the middle class… Anne Ratkowski an artist, ended up fleeing… as did the professors… and more… THIS is why they fear Trump as Hitler… in repeating history, they hope to steer it to a commuinist progressive win, but fear they may have repeated it without that change]
Then: Bauhaus-style designs are distinctive, and synonymous with modern design. / we resurected Bauhaus for a while… still do.. check
Then: Writers such as Alfred Döblin, Erich Maria Remarque and the brothers Heinrich and Thomas Mann presented a bleak look at the world and the failure of politics and society through literature. / our postitivist writings of the future are now dirges of death, how will the world end… we will starve.. global warming makes it pointless… all doing to families what it did then – why bother… check
Then: Weimar Germany also saw the publication of some of the world’s first openly gay literature, from authors such as Klaus Mann, Anna Elisabet Weirauch, Christa Winsloe, Erich Ebermayer, and Max René Hesse / pushing LGBT was criticla then, and is now… enjoy the parade this weekend!!!!!!!! after all, once the population will allow things they hated before, they are ready to accept ANYTHING check
Then: Many theatre works were sympathetic towards Marxist themes, or were overt experiments in propaganda, such as the agitprop theatre by Brecht and Weill. / Kinky boots a big famous thing, everyone just whisltes the tunes… male characters are now female heroes we dislike… the central park series? agitprop? check
Then: The Weimar years saw a flourishing of political and grotesque cabaret which, at least for the English-speaking world / very similar… men are women if they just say so? check
Caberet?
The Blue Angel?
Then: Futurism is another favourite expressionist theme, shown corrupted into a force of oppression in the dystopia of Metropolis (1927). // huge list of new dystopian movies in which new soviet man and woman trumph near the end.. check
Then: they decided to deal explicity with controversial topics and no longer hide or not face them… illigitimate children, rape, prostitution… This trend of dealing frankly with provocative material in cinema began immediately after the end of the War. // no real need for example check
Then: Germany’s most influential philosopher during the Weimar Republic years, and perhaps of the 20th century, was Martin Heidegger. / now americas most influential philosopher of the 20th century, was Martin Heidegger. – if you say otherwise, they will attack you… check
Then: The intersection of politics and philosophy inspired other philosophers – Herbert Marcuse, etc / now we have tons of them, just mouthing off hoping they will be right and int he future, loved. now they try to out do each other with more offensive far thought things – and they love to teach “Marcuse himself later became a driving force in the New Left in the United States.” check
if you want to know why antisemetism hasnt died, and why its here AGAIN
if your doctrine is to change all other doctrines…
then yours cant change..
Strauss and Arendt, along with Marcuse and Benjamin, were among the Jewish intellectuals who managed to flee the Nazi regime, eventually emigrating to the United States – again… not learning from the monstrosity their ideas had
Then: health and cleanliness was big. eat right, dont eat too much red meat, etc.. this was all part of Life Reform… Lebensreform / repeated here of course.. check
this can go on and on..
and yet, we will wonder why we are here wondering if similar thing can happen
why?
its soooo different… isnt it?
not like yoga and pilates is big… you realize that pilates came from weimar and nazi germany? Joseph Pilates… [and if you wonder about all those dance clothes and influences, read about Rudolf Laban … ]
there is TONS More of parallels… in what was decided good
because it was not orders, it was premises..
feature the same premises, you get the same outcomes
and unless refuted, they dont die, even if the regime is gone
so the jewish question lives… till answered..
add to the list your own research on
Nudism – Nacktkultur – Naturalism…
the alternative health movement with the integration of spirituality and homeopathy was born then too
Steiner was also an early proponent of organic agriculture, in the form of a holistic concept later called biodynamic agriculture. – we have the green movement
and you also had the morality films where social issues were put into film and media as ways of addressing them… called Aufklärungsfilme (enlightenment films)
recently a dem running and celebrating today, with a platform of legalizing prostituition.. well, of course.. and drugs too : Berlin eventually acquired a reputation as a hub of drug dealing (cocaine, heroin, tranquilizers) and the black market.
you could have predicted the move to the LGBT movement 10 years ago
and i said so… no one ever wanted to make a list to see what comes NEXT
Berlin also had a museum of sexuality during the Weimar period, at Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld’s Institute of Sexology. so in nyc we have/ The Mission of the Museum of Sex is to preserve and present the history, evolution and cultural significance of human sexuality / https://www.museumofsex.com/museum/about/
go look it up, i mentioned this person before:
Anita Berber, a dancer and actress, became notorious throughout the city and beyond for her erotic performances (as well as her cocaine addiction and erratic behaviour).
gonna get interesting if you study history to the detail i have..
Slaves can voice dissenting opinions… since when?
People in general are too other-directed and young people tend to be horrid in this regard, very vulnerable to bandwagon effects. Women are worse then men as well. The cultural matrix in which I grew up had its advantages, but only oddballs like my father made it a practice to learn to argue a point and stand by it.
The administration and the faculty together have ruined the culture of discussion on campuses, and are properly stripped of the autonomy they value. Some adjustments can be made in corporate law and education law to bring this about, but these will likely only bring some incremental adjustments because the civic culture of the professional-managerial class in general is ruined. Awful lot of businessmen on Oberlin’s board, just taking up space.
Our kid recently visited a college which nearly deplatformed a pretty mainstream conservative commentator two years ago. The school had a ton of bad press about it, and apparently, learned their lesson.
During the recruitment presentation, the school representative explicitly said that they had conservative faculty, students, and parents; that they valued all viewpoints; and if you couldn’t accept that, there were plenty of other colleges out there for you. It was nice to hear.
Speaking truth to fascism is trendy today.
Diversity has progressed with a significance of color judgment, not limited to race, sex, gender, etc.
The normalization of transversal orientations, not limited to physical and mental gender attributes, were symbolic of enlightenment and social progress in Weimar, the fetal stage of the left-right nexus that culminated with the establishment of National Socialism.
Actually, I’m encouraged that despite the near total indoctrination entrenched within our ‘higher educational’ system, that 64% of students are aware enough to recognize tyranny when they experience it. And, that only 14% are in willful denial of that tyranny.
Ultimately, there may be no tyranny greater than that which tells men what it is permissible to think and say.
“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson, in an 1800 private letter.
“But which definition of these words are the students using when they answer the questions? I suspect that a great many more of them are referring to diversity of thought and politics rather than diversity or inclusivity involving gender and race.” – Neo
One of the plagues of polling is that they don’t adequately define the terms they are asking about, so many of the results are totally worthless, as opposed to the predominant mostly worthless ones.
I trust you have all noted that this post and the one on knitting share some salient points.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/25/its-our-elites-who-are-driving-americas-divisions/
We all know that correlation is not causation, but still….
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/the-continuing-crisis-of-higher-ed.php
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1139512663711604736.html
“Higher education was ruined the same way health care was. Politicians focus on the medium of exchange (student loans, medical insurance) instead of the underlying resource (education, medicine.) The resource gets worse as the currency which pays for it is endlessly manipulated.”
CRITICAL THINKING: Who needs it…??
College used to be All About It.
Tragic.
The school had a ton of bad press about it, and apparently, learned their lesson.
Bridges for sale here, Ann.
I recall in the 1960s in high school and college that, for the most part, conservative opinions and ideas were not welcome. Perhaps not to the extent they are unwelcome today, but it was my experience at most of the conservatives I knew kept their opinions pretty much to themselves. In high school in California, and at the various branches of the University of California, conservative political opinions were pretty much social death.
Diversity leads to conformity, at least as it is practiced on campus.
Ah, if it were only “conformity” that “diversity” led to….
(Actually, it’s violent intolerance, shunning, shaming, and ostracism. Alas….)
But this is—simply(!)—because it’s “Diversity for me but not for thee”; “Tolerance for me but not for thee”; “Free speech for me but not for thee”…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Movement
Simply….
(Note: First line is a quote from the original post and should be in quotation marks.)
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But this is—simply(!)—because it’s “Diversity for me but not for thee”; “Tolerance for me but not for thee”; “Free speech for me but not for thee”…
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That made me think about the scorn Goldwater received for the line, “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”
Aside from the poor rhetorical formulation, he was expressing something the Left has put into practice, which may be why (a) conservatives recoiled in visceral anticipation; and (b) “liberals” mocked because they were afraid their tactics were being co-opted against them.
Goldwater also said, “Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.”
I think the problem arises because the Left has radically misdefined “liberty” and “justice” to mean the opposite of what Goldwater meant.
that 64% of students are aware enough to recognize tyranny when they experience it.
About that portion are beginning to recognize that the whole Globe Earth Theory they got force fed from K-12, was mostly deception or a lie or just wrong.
The Tyranny of the Majority is about to end on Geosciences.
Late in the day, but the evisceration of free speech is in full swing in Sweden, and the Left is trying to get that same environment here.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/06/28/swedish-man-convicted-hate-comments-he-did-not-write/
Looks like Swedish ethnic groups can be pretty easily threatened or intimidated.
Still, it is easier to hit on one “publisher” than the thousands of commenters, but I’m sure their names are in the leftists’ data base and social media is being mined for more hits.
This is why Facebook et al. wanted the protection of being platforms, not publishers; it remains to be seen how far over they line they can go in suppressing speech they don’t like before they get tipped back the other way.
From the comments:
Speaking of stifling speech —
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/26/rep-crenshaw-grills-google-executive-over-leaked-email-published-by-veritas/
I do like Mr. Crenshaw.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1144228783341416448.html
Doc Zero
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/60091.html
A New Insult-Meme!
Posted by David Foster on June 28th, 2019
That’s assuming the Internet Gateblockers even allow them to hear the rational arguments in the first place.
On Lysenkoism:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/self-censorship-campus-bad-science/589969/
Self-Censorship on Campus Is Bad for Science
Amid heightened tensions on college campuses, well-established scientific ideas are suddenly meeting with stiff political resistance.
MAY 28, 2019
Luana Maroja
Professor of biology at Williams College