The aims of leftist labeling and censoring of conservative pundits as extremists
For a while, the phenomenon of leftist censorship of the right concentrated on potential speakers at college campuses. The mechanisms were boycotts, demonstrations, disruptions, and demands that they not be allowed to speak there at all because it was too disturbing, because it was hate speech, because they were fascists and bigots, and because people would be triggered—the whole panoply of accusations from leftist activists.
Lately, de-platforming and/or de-monetizing from various social media and internet sites such as YouTube is all the rage, and it’s driven not so much by students at a particular university but by those who control the sites. In the buildup to the 2020 election,this seems more important than ever.
On [June 5], YouTube announced a sweeping ban on all content it deems “hateful” or “supremacist,” resulting in a reported “thousands” of channels being shut down. The announcement came the same day that YouTube demonetized conservative comedian Steven Crowder — one of the most popular independent content creators on the platform — after a writer for Vox complained that he had repeatedly mocked him for his identity…
“YouTube has always had rules of the road, including a longstanding policy against hate speech,” the company announced Wednesday in a statement. “Today, we’re taking another step in our hate speech policy by specifically prohibiting videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status.”…
But conservatives have noted a pattern by YouTube, along with other dominate social media platforms, of focusing mostly on voices from the right —and often lumping in mainstream conservatives with the far-right. Among those blasting YouTube over ideological bias is outspoken conservative Dana Loesch, who declared the progressives pushing for deplatforming as “the modern day book burners.”…
“YouTube’s statement on [Steven Crowder]: OK, we admit he didn’t violate our standards, but people were mad at us, so we just backfilled a rationale for demonetizing him with Orwellian doublespeak,” [Ben] Shapiro tweeted Wednesday. “This is essentially YouTube admitting that they exercised the heckler’s veto. They can’t point to how [Crowder] broke their rules, so they just made up new rules based on the fact that a bunch of people whined to them.”
Here’s what Andrew Klavan has to say about the phenomenon:
On Sunday, just as YouTube was threatening to pull down thousands of “hateful” (i.e. conservative) videos, The New York Times printed a breathless and idiotic piece supposedly charting a YouTube viewer’s descent into right-wing radicalism…
This suspiciously timed piece — clearly designed to give cover to YouTube’s censorship plan — featured a collage of faces of right-wing radicals. These included such raving hate-filled alt-right evil-doers as mild-mannered gay centrist Dave Rubin and of course Daily Wire editor-in-chief Ben Shapiro — whom various left-wing outlets have repeatedly identified as the one and only orthodox Jewish Nazi in all the universes!
But while branding Dave and Ben alt-right may be absurd, it’s not unintentional. It is part of a strategy. 1. Convince people that hate speech should be silenced. 2. Define hate speech as alt-right. 3. Label powerful mainstream conservatives “alt-right.” 4. Silence powerful mainstream conservatives…
…[A]s 2020 approaches and Trump continues to expose our corrupt press and reach the people, panic is beginning to set in and the next phase of Operation Don’t Speak is in play: a massive and collusive move to define mainstream right-wing speech as hateful and shut it down.
There’s another point that is a bit more subtle. Once a news outlet or a periodical or a pundit gets labeled as extreme right-wing or alt-right, and therefore (fill in the blanks) a purveyor of hate speech, a racist, a bigot, a religious zealot, a wild and crazy conspiracy theorist, etc., then even if that person isn’t actually blocked by the site, the hope is that people will react to the labeling itself by shunning that person’s work.
So one of the goals isn’t just actual blocking by the sites, but a de facto censorship by the individual consumer, in which people refuse to listen or read the work of a certain person because it’s been labeled extreme and hateful. Why waste time reading the work of someone bigoted or crazy or stupid? Don’t you have better things to do with your time?
That way it’s easy to keep the maximum number of people insulated and protected from any ideas on the right that are factually and logically correct and might even persuade a person to change a long-held idea—or, in some cases (such as that of left-to-right political changers) to change one’s mind politically in a more fundamental way. That’s why it’s even more important to label the more moderate, thoughtful conservatives as extreme and offensive than the ones who actually are extreme and offensive, because an open-minded reader or listener will probably be able to find out and decide on his/her own which pundits and writers really are extreme and offensive, and which ones are making good points. It’s that latter group the left and the MSM is most afraid of—the ones who could change the opinions of a lot of people, if they were to be given a forum and listened to with an open mind.
There is also the fact that the more extreme you are the more extreme your opponents seem to you. The farther you are to the left (or for that matter the right, but that happens less) the farther to the right your opponents seem. It’s a form of psychological projection.
Liberals more than conservatives are more likely to self-censor. I once heard a liberal complain why people couldn’t just listen to only NPR. Conservatives couldn’t even if they wanted to since so much media is leftest.
We need colleges to be sued, and to lose, for discriminating against hiring conservatives. In theory, it’s illegal, but in practice, they almost all do it a LOT. Since it’s OK to discriminate against conservatives by colleges, many orgs, whose decision makers were educated at colleges that discriminate, those decision making graduates also discriminate.
The Reps have missed the boat, badly, on allowing the anti-Reps to take over colleges and teacher unions.
To paraphrase John F. Kennedy; “Those who make peaceful resolution impossible will make violent resolution inevitable.”
They think that allegiance to the Constitution equates to a suicide pact. They think that liberty “will go quietly into the night’.
They assume that nothing can disrupt the water, food, medicine, electricity and transport of needed goods into their urban and suburban strongholds.
This is gleichschaltung in practice… not theory..
The only reason you guys think its different is that it doesnt match what you IMAGINE it to be, and never learned what it actually was!
NEO: For a while, the phenomenon of leftist censorship of the right concentrated on potential speakers at college campuses.
and after doing things like that for years, with feminists being the largest organizing dictating group and even being called FemNazis (for good reasons as many people saw what they were copying)..
The question of elections is really… when have enough old people died that new people raised under Gleichshaltung homogenized education system, trained for worker status, give them permission to take over.
And now, if you believe in merit, talent, etc… your a white supremacist..
(seriously!)
“Clearly the administrators, professors and students across America’s universities who embrace Gleichschaltung are many; as demonstrated at Stanford by their violent words, these same individuals would not be uncomfortable with the brutality and violence associated with Gleichschaltung at those same German universities in the 1930s. Clearly that violent time is approaching here. Richard Sherman 2017
for openly saying what they are doing quietly:
7 NYC Council Members Call On De Blasio To Fire Schools Chancellor
https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/7-nyc-council-members-call-de-blasio-fire-schools-chancellor
Holden said among the questionable episodes are Carranza hiring “his cronies” without a formal search, calling on white parents to get implicit bias training, a recent lawsuit filed by three Department of Education officials who claim they were demoted because they’re white and a job posting from a school district that said it was looking for teachers of color.
as of last year, we are over 16% below replacement…
its unrecoverable, and the demographic shift easily explains taking sides
“I will not be silenced, I will not be quiet,” Carranza added. The mayor’s office is backing him up, calling Holden’s letter a racially-charged smear campaign. A spokesperson for de Blasio said the mayor stands fully behind Carranza
this is way past the point of being able to do anything…
that was long ago when no one wanted to ‘believe’ (and still don’t)
many groups with experience could see what was going on, they had no problem believing in how organized, methodical, and evil to others, people can be..
With innocents, half the argument if not all of it is, getting over that… often not possible
We are 16% below replacement and abortion is always a big critical issue to increase access…
right now… the biggest thing one can do to prevent the inevitable is if the conservative women grow balls and start fighting big time against the feminist women…
Newly Elected Colorado Politician Calls for a Communist Revolution – ‘By Any Means Necessary’
it doesn’t take a majority. the majority of Germans weren’t Nazis, or even agreed with them!!! Gleichshaltung insured that they all moved in order whether they agree or not… that was its beauty, that’s what they mean by being “swept up”… they don’t mean swept up like you love an opera, they mean swept up in the flow that went only in one direction… like falling into a strong river…
Beware of anyone who tries to keep you from thinking for yourself.
Conservative: Don’t you realize that socialism/communism has failed wherever its been tried? Look at Venezuela.
Lefty: SHUT UP!
Conservative: Explain to me how these so-called
forcings actually enhance the ability of CO2 to block infra red waves from leaving the atmosphere?
Lefty: SHUT UP!
Conservative: Don’t you realize that the government has no money? Whatever it gives to one person it must take away from another.
Lefty: SHUT UP!
And so it goes.
Artfldgr: Excellent!
YouTube’s explosive popularity with men migrating in order to seek entertaining information, but fed up with cable and satellite programming, its lack of a la carte selections, its endless and frequent agenda suffused commercials, its shouting reality shows filled with idiots and moral scum and de rigueur close-ups of trembling moron faces has been noticed, and counter measures placed in effect. After all, if allowed to go unchecked, YouTube could become the new AM radio of the political right.
As it is. it has been surprisingly long time coming, this mediation and filtering of the commercial quasi monopolies.
Now, YouTube is becoming just another site for commerce and big-sister sensibility monitoring.
Commercially speaking, historically themed channels which just a year or so ago did a creditable, if sometimes rough job of addressing limited interest historical topics – say late classical or early medieval politics – suddenly have become filled with commercial interruptions, and their presentations larded with the kind of jabbering filler material prefaces seen in those execrable “Top Ten Amazing …” click-bait links found on the margins of the major news sites web pages.
I don’t blame the content providers for seeking an income from channels they have built up, but it becomes apparent what happens when the commercial aspect takes over.
I just clicked off of one YouTube channel for good recently, when I noticed one of the same damned commercials – featuring some girl talking to another version of herself over a cell phone – which had also appeared on cable TV the other day. Yeah … next thing I expect to see is a Home Depot ad featuring a homosexual male and his prolapsed rectum sex receptacle partner strolling the aisle hand in hand as they shop home improvement supplies for the “nursery”.
The nuisance of that noxious crap is why so many of us have abandoned pay TV, and sought out other sources of political information and entertainment .
Of course Google knows that; and it is important to them that no information pass from one hand to another without someone ideologically conditioning the transmission and making a commercial profit off it as well.
The fact that conservatives and libertarians have established such a strong and intellectually dominating niche on YouTube, was only bound to accelerate the process.
“Conservative: Explain to me how these so-called forcings actually enhance the ability of CO2 to block infra red waves from leaving the atmosphere?”
I’ve spent a modest amount of time trying to see if there are reliable and uncontroversial figures for the increase in solar radiation reaching ground in North America subsequent to the passage of the Clean Air Act , and the consequent reduction in the amount of radiation reflecting sulfur particulates.
Clean the air of particulates, increase the heat at ground level.
Did no one anticipate that and take it into account when drawing conclusions about the future; or in assessing the causes and nature of the current measured rises in atmospheric temperatures?
What percentage of the claimed increase in U.S. atmospheric temperatures is attributable to the (unassessed) consequence of cleaning the air, then?
This has been addressed by a number of authorities, but their answer is usually not clearly stated as far as I can tell, and they are at great pains, NASA in one case which I recall, to qualify it as a “local” phenomenon.
Do, we arrived at the juncture in our society in which the loudest and whiniest wins.
Artfdgr: “It doesn’t take a majority, the majority of Germans weren’t Nazis, or even agreed with them!!! Gleichshaltung insured that they all moved in order whether they agreed or not… that was it’s beauty, that’s what they meant by being “swept up”… they don’t mean swept up like you love an opera. They mean swept up like the flow that means only going in one direction… like falling into a strong river…
Thank you Artfldgr, I’ve never heard it put better. It’s chilling, but I think it’s exactly where we’re at.
We don’t need their platforms.
Today I clicked on a link to what seemed a reasonable headline to me. The link was to an article from Red State Morning Briefing, a newsletter send from that site. The article was “The Mueller Report Raises New Questions About The Seth Rich Murder Case.” I could not get to it, both the Firefox and Chrome browsers got me a page with the link but it said this: This can’t be right…
You should probably go back to reality. With a link that said GO HOME. I find that extremely frightening.
Beneath the hysteria there are 10,000,000+ members of pro 2nd amendment organizations and 35,000,000 firearm owners. Many of us understand police and military tactics. Many of us are better marksmen than elite police and military units. We are not bound by rules of engagement. If push comes to shove, it will be civil war 2.0. Their major problem is nukes are not an option and smart bombs on civilian targets are not an option. And we can determine where they and their families reside. The http://www.com is a double edged sword. It will not be pretty. Don’t push or adjust, quickly, to shove.
Chrome will not let me access posts from Spectator USA.
Just sayin’.
A small round-up of “news” with just a teensy drop of bias — they also censor the right & conservatives, by spinning, slanting, and suppressing information.
https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/06/17/cnn-analyst-slams-fox-news-channel-for-daring-to-mention-joe-bidens-health/
https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/06/15/again-with-the-worshipers-first-mass-since-notre-dame-fire-has-many-features-but-apparently-not-christians/
https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/06/12/master-class-in-information-manipulation-migrants-and-former-japanese-internment-camp/
Aesop, no problem here with https://spectator.us/ .
As I mentioned before, this all started with Flat Earth Theory and the other ALt Right conspiracies in vogue at the time. Once again, stuff people only recognize as real when the media starts reporting on it.
Those of us with different sources get an earlier warning of a few years at least.
Daniel Schwartz on June 17, 2019 at 6:27 pm said:
Beware of anyone who tries to keep you from thinking for yourself.
I notice it starts small. Just a little tiny letter dropped off from DJT’s name, and people get triggered/offended and go on a quest to “correct” the BadThought and non Orthodox, non consensus viewpoint.
The tallest nail gets hammered flat first. The tallest tree gets blown away by a hurricane first.
Thinking by oneself is not something humanity is all that good at.
Why waste time reading the work of someone bigoted or crazy or stupid? Don’t you have better things to do with your time?
Shill!
Cuck!
Traitor!
Paid CIA Agent!
These accusations are commonly thrown about around in “conspiracy land”. It’s a kind of Richard Nixon paranoia, where the Leftist mind control makes you insane and paranoid, then destroys you with focused dps.
The second one is most likely an Alt Right addition recently however.
Conservatives have their own list of go to accusations and knee jerk reactions, just like Mormons do.
Troll!
Paid Soros agent!
…. DOesn’t seem very diverse.
Moon bat
Insane
Leftist mental disease
Derangement Syndrome
The Left likes to use terms like “right winger” or some variation of “stupid”.
This was tied in when Neo noticed that Google’s search algorithms were borked.
Back a few years ago, Youtube made money recommending Flat Earth videos, “conspiracy stuff”, and you know, stuff that trends up.
This created an interesting side effect when advertisers found their ads on some “crazy” or “alt right” stuff and complained to youtube. Youtube dared them to do something about it, and the advertisers started pulling their ads. Youtube reacted by picking a weak demographic without political influence, Gamers (gamergate) and hit them first with demonetization. Meaning the ads from videos were removed so they couldn’t get any ad income from Google…. hehe. Corporations saving a buck. They didn’t care which ads were removed, because they didn’t bother to do much more than the bare minimum. Collective punishment is a Leftist fetish.
After that, they started with conspiracy land and when that started going well and they got positive feedback from the Neil Disgrace Tyson talking heads, they started realizing they could use these tools against their real enemies: Conservatives!
haha. And so Civil War 2 advances.
The Alt Right has been trying to get off Leftist dominated social media platforms for awhile now. Check out galactic wiki instead of the Leftish wikipedia.
…reasonable headline…
“Red State” removed the article:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/red-state-seth-rich-robert-mueller
But since Mueller has entirely destroyed his own credibility, it would seem entirely possible that the allegation may re-emerge.
So now even conservatives are censoring [practicing their implicit First Amendment right to not provide a platform to expressive speech they find abhorrent] idiotic conservative conspiracy theories.
Firstly, perhaps its time to stop with your idiotic conspiracy theories.
Secondly, if your major censorship complaint is somebody exercising their 1A rights, perhaps you are not oppressed.
Scott Adams noticed that YouTube had demonetized certain seemingly random videos of his and looked for a connection between the videos. The connection appears to be his debunking of the “fine people” hoax (the lie that Trump was saying the Nazis at Charlottesville were “fine people” when he said there were “fine people on both sides”). He’s conducting an experiment to see if a new video, exclusively about the “fine people” hoax, is demonetized. And he’s broadcasting that he’s conducting this experiment so we’ll see if YouTube just goes ahead anyway and demonetizes this latest video even and despite being outed as a political censor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Yjq51pfGbaw
“Conservatives have their own list of go to accusations and knee jerk reactions, just like Mormons do.” ymarsakar
If you cannot tell the difference between the all too accurate labels conservative apply to the insanity on the left and the deceitful projection by leftists upon conservatives, then you’re not nearly as perspective as you incessantly proclaim yourself to be…
Plus, “just like Mormons do”…?
“Secondly, if your major censorship complaint is somebody exercising their 1A rights, perhaps you are not oppressed.” Manju
Sigh. And ‘perhaps’ you’re not intellectually challenged and/or have swallowed the Left’s ‘kool-aid’.
News flash! It’s NOT the Left 1A rights to which we object, in fact bring on all the principled disagreement you’re capable of… no, it’s the incessant attempts to deny our 1A rights by labeling principled disagreement as “hate speech” by those on the left and then, denying our access to public forums to which we object.
BTW, you HAVE to know this, which makes you an unAmerican POS.
Hmmm. Maybe one should switch gears.
Time for humorous tidbit of the day:
https://victorygirlsblog.com/harvard-boots-parklands-kyle-kashuv/
Oops, sorry. Try this:
https://victorygirlsblog.com/psychology-today-and-the-trump-as-messiah-fallacy/
That operative rule would actually be the corollary of the right of free association: i.e., that the right to freely associate implies the right to freely exclude or to disassociate; and not directly related to the provision that “Congress shall make no law abridging …”
So finally, then, the left agrees that private organizations offering a conditional service, even organizations that have powerfully broad social influences, have no legal or moral obligation to be inclusive or so much as evenhanded.
Good deal. Let the chips fall where they may.
“…obligation to be inclusive or…evenhanded…”
IOW, what are the odds of the MSM publishing something like this?:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-18/new-clinton-email-review-reveals-multiple-security-incidents
Minimal, apart from attempts to bury it through superficial or dismissive coverage.
And because YouTube and other social media have a much larger and varied population of visitors than blogs do – as people surf for variety and seek out information that interests them, rather than wait for it to be doled out by so-called authorities – the presence of that information on social media platforms will attract both more attention and the suppression efforts of the priestlings of progressivism.
A blog represents very little danger to them. A circle of blogs not much more. An unconventional news site, more, but still limited.
But popular critics and entertainers like Dice or Crowder, represents a much larger danger, as they have garnered audiences surpassing that of some of the mainstream cable media network presentations.
These critics have set up camp in the progressive’s own backyards. And the collectivist kind don’t much care for it, obviously.
That’s why independent websites like thenewneo.com are so important.
Julie near Chicago on June 18, 2019 at 1:11 am said:
Aesop, no problem here with https://spectator.us/ .
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I can get to it on Microsoft/Bing also, just not on Chrome.
The front page of the website comes up okay, but clicking on the post titles doesn’t do anything; and if I follow a link from somewhere else (like PowerLine) to a specific article, it never loads.
This started happening recently too, as I have read a lot of posts there not too long in the past.
AMartel on June 18, 2019 at 11:42 am said:
Scott Adams noticed that YouTube had demonetized certain seemingly random videos of his and looked for a connection between the videos. The connection appears to be his debunking of the “fine people” hoax (the lie that Trump was saying the Nazis at Charlottesville were “fine people” when he said there were “fine people on both sides”).
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IIRC, it was when Brandon Straka uncovered the MSM’s deceitful editing of Trump’s remarks, and his friends’ refusal to listen to him explain it, that started him down the #WalkAway road.
He was willing to take the Red Pill and they weren’t — as the meme has it — and the MSM & social media are now determined that other people won’t get that choice.
Still don’t understand why he hasn’t been Digitally Disappeared yet.
Barry Meislin on June 18, 2019 at 4:16 am said:
…reasonable headline…
“Red State” removed the article:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/red-state-seth-rich-robert-mueller
But since Mueller has entirely destroyed his own credibility, it would seem entirely possible that the allegation may re-emerge.
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Conspiracy theories never die; they just go into the Memory Core of the Holodeck until someone calls them up again.
I had read the RS article on Sunday, and wondered which way it would go, since the Rich family persuaded most news outlets to quit working the allegations some time ago, even though their own lawsuit was dismissed.
Red State gave a reasonable explanation:
This sounded to me a lot like the mea culpas from the MSM back in 2007-2008 when they were trying to peddle a story about John McCain romancing one of his staff (IIRC), and both of them shot it down vehemently — plus, it had been tried before and shot down then as well — because the story was indeed “without basis in fact.”
Nonetheless, Seth Rich was murdered, and no perpetrator has been found; that doesn’t argue well for either the will or the competence of our LEOs.
These are still up if you need the conspiratorial background:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/05/16/fox-news-murdered-dnc-staffer-sent-44053-internal-emails-to-wikileaks/
[contains quotes from the original Fox story that went viral, with pushing from conservative outlets — because, hey, the Left does that all the time and gets away with it, why not us too!]
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/the-seth-rich-familys-lawsuit-contains-brutal-claims-against-fox-news/
The “conspiracy” part kicks in because some people wondered if the FBI was lying (nah, the Feebs never prevaricate, do they?), if Wheeler was leaned on (nah, the government never threatens reporters, do they?), and if the Rich family’s hired ‘tec lied to them (nah, …).
Now, given the example of the Pulitzer-prize-winning reporters at the Washington Post and the New York Times, it is certainly possible that Wheeler & Zimmerman did, in fact, invent the entire story from the beginning, but the lawsuits were dismissed, withdrawn, or settled without any public findings of fact.
I do not support the claim that the DNC put out a hit on Rich, but I can see why some people are not willing to give up the idea — as illustrated below, solely for the purpose of analysis and not persuasion.
Nonetheless, Seth Rich was murdered, and no perpetrator has been found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich
Notice the almost imperceptible shift from evidence to allegation; that’s how you get conspiracy theories to stay alive.
Wheeler doesn’t deny providing the initial story, just the incendiary quotes that were denied by his alleged sources.
AFAIK, no one has ever claimed the reward; I would not expect the perps to (regardless of motivation), but it’s curious that no colleague has ratted them out — Jussie Smollett’s co-conspirators came to light pretty quick.
Citations given below, if you are interested in Mr. Journalist’s allegations.
Oh well, if those three intrepid explorers say something is false, I guess that’s the end of the story.
People who worked with Hillary Clinton said she never had classified emails on her computer in the first place. Oopsies.
“People said” is exactly what trials are supposed to either corroborate or not.
Did the FBI also say that, and would we believe them if they did? What difference, at this point, does it make?
This section, which is quite long, has the only actual alleged evidence presented on the case, being audio recordings for the most part.
And that’s how Conspiracy Sausages are made.
*Take these for what you think they’re worth; I never saw them at the time.
71. Campbell, Duncan (July 31, 2018). “Briton ran pro-Kremlin disinformation campaign that helped Trump deny Russian links”. Computer Weekly. Retrieved October 31, 2018.
72. Tucker, Patrick (August 2, 2018). “A new report claims that Russian hackers altered dates in stolen documents to frame the DNC staffer for the theft.” Defense One. Retrieved August 25, 2018.
FWIW, the comments at TPM are an interesting mirror universe — they complain about exactly the same things the Right complains about when news and internet stories go viral on the Left with as little real evidence or less, but showing exactly ZERO acknowledgement that it happens with their own pet stories.
Sorry, I’m not buying Mrs. Rich’s contention that an office employee from Omaha tried to fight off two robbers at 4:00 am outside his home. The hole in the robbery scenario is they didn’t take anything.
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/449241-gop-senator-introduces-bill-to-hold-online-platforms-liable-for-political
[depends on what the meaning of the word “evidence” is]
Sooo…internet gatekeepers, after growing like weeds because of their platform protection, are now cutting conservatives out of the picture, but it’s the goverment that will censor speech?
…no True Scotsman…
It isn’t; it’s a strawman argument.
If you cannot tell the difference between the all too accurate labels conservative apply to the insanity on the left and the deceitful projection by leftists upon conservatives, then you’re not nearly as perspective as you incessantly proclaim yourself to be…
It’s not about whether it is accurate or not. I know you think that matters but it is not a concern of mine. You are just projecting your ego’s views of what is “right” unto me. As a Son of God, you have to put some brakes on that projection power of yours, as some of us don’t really look at things in a human way any more. Not that they cannot, but that it is like looking at Leftist bullsh or social media justice for too long. It rots the spirit.
Plus, “just like Mormons do”…?
You can ask Aesop about that. He had the prototypical “circle the wagons” response to something he perceived as a criticism or hostile or anti Mormon (before that went out of vogue).
He had to be reminded and counseled not to think with his natural man ego self.
Another goal of declaring all conservatives the “alt right” is so they can be physically assaulted, Richard Spencer-style. Whatever stupid opinions Spencer had, he was simply standing there when the attack happened, and that famous “sucker-punch” surprise assault (after which the masked assaulter scampered away) was tremendously popular with the left and has fueled a trend of follow-on assaults. Its what they fantasize they should be able to do to all of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bnr1A2a7Ls
I tell them that people here are not at the stage to understand the more advanced spiritual concepts. I was told to link this anyways so…. whatever happens, it’s not on me!
Two points. First, there’s a lot of irony in screeds against “the left and the MSM” for lumping conservatives together. Uh huh, they’re a monolith engaging in some well-coordinated nefarious plot, but conservatives are all unique voices that should be judged on individual merit. Second, name-calling and hyperbole in place of sober, reasoned argument always is part of the deal for every person everywhere. See, e.g. McConnell equating Puerto Rico statehood with “full-bore socialism”, or some leftist lumping Ben Shapiro’s brand of stupid in with Richard Spencer’s brand of stupid. It’s done by everyone both because it’s shorthand for tribalist “you suck” and because it’s harder to defend against — you’ve chosen the battleground. There’s nothing uniquely leftist about it.
What is uniquely leftist is the demand that they receive from conservatives and libertarians that which conservatives and libertarians neither want nor need from them; i.e., the sharing of costs for their moral dysfunction, their emotional incontinence, and their life incompetence. It’s what the leftist conceives of as sharing the unfairness of life. “The unfairness of life” meaning, they being what they are, and having to live with it.
To their mind it is the agency of the state which is to be used to effect this transfer of life energies and product. Why the state? Because as we all know the citizen cannot as easily distance himself from the state as he could from the average Hollywood lunatic ( Who prove by their wretched psychological lives that big money doesn’t really help the liberal-kind lead a dignified or worthwhile personal life.) Hence, the modern liberal’s continuous wails for inclusion; their demands for involuntary association, and an institution of an obnoxious system of non-exchange: value expropriated from the competent and free, for which the competent and free receive nothing of value in return; their life capital spent on the leftist only in order to be saddled with the costs of yet more leftist life-dysfunction.
Living with modern liberals, or progressives, is tantamount to living in a political extortion racket. They never get better, they never go away permanently, they are always demanding attention, and they always come back for more.
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Ymarsakar on June 19, 2019 at 8:21 am said:
Plus, “just like Mormons do”…?
You can ask Aesop about that. He had the prototypical “circle the wagons” response to something he perceived as a criticism or hostile or anti Mormon (before that went out of vogue).
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Circling the wagons is a rational response to attacks showing explicit animus (not generally encountered here, btw), and also criticism based on faulty information. Correcting errors & false allegations, or suggesting alternative interpretations of facts, is not a hostile response.
I find it interesting that the pattern of leftist attacks on the right shows the same methodology as traditional anti-Mormon invective. Perhaps the latter has gone out of vogue because its erstwhile Christian-conservative-consumers are now dealing with the same kinds of accusations, but leveled at Christians and conservatives in general.
Jesse Sands:
Of course the right has its name-calling blocs, too. But it tends not to march in lockstep to the extent that the left does. One of the many differences between left and right is that the right has far more people who champion the individual, and the left is far more collectivist, not just in policies but in thinking and expression.
I’ve looked at politics from both sides now (apologies to Joni Mitchell), and that is my firm conclusion.
In addition, the left dominates the MSM, and whether most people rate the press highly or not, the MSM still shapes the views of an enormous number of people and is highly influential.