Anticipating the Mueller report
The fuller Mueller report is supposed to be released on Thursday. It’s a no-brainer to say the Democrats will react as though it indicates Trump was guilty of obstruction at the least and perhaps more, no matter what it actually says. The longer version will give them ample opportunity to nitpick over each word and phrase.
Here’s Byron York on the matter, with a list of five things the report won’t resolve. Most of them won’t be resolved because they cannot be resolved; short of finding someone else’s fingerprints and DNA in a murder case, plus a confession, a person can’t be proven innocent (maybe not even then). Russiagate is not a case involving that sort of forensic evidence anyway, and more importantly, Trump’s opponents have no intention of ever accepting any finding that doesn’t implicate him.
William Jacobson of Legal Insurrection has more, with predictions. Please read the whole thing.
My guess is that the report will paint a picture of Trump being manipulated by Putin…not an agent but what communists used to call a “useful idiot.”
This aligns with the fact that the intelligence community was alarmed by how often the Trump campaign would push Russian propaganda, sometimes ridiculous ones like Pizzagate (Mike Flynn).
We even saw this recently with Trump’s belief that the Soviets were right to invade Afghanistan. This is no more illegal than believing 911 was an inside job. So Mueller is right to not charge Trump with conspiracy.
The question is whether being such a national security threat is an impeachable offense. That’s up to Congress.
Andrew McCarthy’s summary of the scandal:
https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/behind-the-obama-administrations-shady-plan-to-spy-on-the-trump-campaign/
Manju:
You are a funny guy(?), bless you soul. Not that you are considered a useful idiot, nope, wouldn’t want to think that.
The same intelligence community that shopped “unverified, salacious” information to the FBI was alarmed, heavens to Betsy, impeachable! Too droll.
The very first comment. Could manju have made it any more clear that he is paid and dispatched to troll here?
Re: Manju — Of course, Obama’s hot mic moment promising “more flexibility” after the 2012 election concerning missile defense to Russian President Medvedev, who promised to relay Obama’s message directly to Putin … that don’t mean nuthin’ about nuthin’.
Hey Manju, do you want me to sit with you when you get debriefed? Cause it is gonna be painful.
Offer’s still open. Don’t be afraid, even if you remember.
The Yammer translator “Debriefed” is to get a wedgie.
Omni lol. You start looking like a cute but annoying chihuahua as time goes on, did you know that human mortal?
“the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion – one way or the other – as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction.” Mueller report
Translation: if we did evaluate Trump’s conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions… we would have to conclude that the only determination possible is a finding of not guilty.
So to avoid that, we will not draw any conclusion because the only conclusion this office is in favor of is, guilty as charged. But as there are no possible charges… we’ll pretend we can vote “present”.
McCarthy writes “shady”?
Who said humor is dead?
I had a bet with myself that Manju would be one of the first comments, if not The First.
I won!
Glad to see he’s still drinking the Kool-Aid. Stay classy Manju.
It will be Obstruction of Innocence
The broken logic will have to be something like, he knew he was innocent, but thought they would cheat him, so he obstructed them to stop their cheat, as the statute has no conditional clause as to whether or not you were obstructing illegal justice…
or something like that with a few better words…
doi duah duh Manju…
paragraph one constructs supporting “guess theory” and misuses a term
paragragh two then changes guess to facts and claims alignment to his guess
throws in he somehow has a kind of barometer about the intelligence communities whole emotional state which is ‘alarmed’ as they fill out multiple choice forms in the morning so somewhere there is a national spy emotional state report… and for an encore, knows a fish is a fish and cant be anything else, cause well, if it was something else and no one believed the propaganda themselves, well, then what?
paragraph three… too inane to speak of other than too inane
paragraph four… concludes national security threat…
paragraph five he had no time for: the last bit of theory to show that Trump is really an alien insect, and this was their fight against the reptilians
ack…
An Epoch Times thread on recent events in light of the impending release of the Mueller report: https://mobile.twitter.com/EpochTimes/status/1118260280583127041
Enjoy.
With 400 pages of highly technical matter to draw on, I am certain that with taking snippets of text out of context, and misconstruing the original intent of the text, the Dems and Leftists will be able to “prove” that Trump is a Russian sleeper agent, inserted by Putin when he headed the KGB.
You have to be amused that Trump is accused both of being a nationalist, indeed jingoist, and yet is also in collusion with the Russians. By the same people!
Mind you he can also be an anti-Semite while being too pro-Israel.
Chester,
Yup! The very same people who accuse him of being too soft on Russia, also accuse him of being irresponsible and rash when he does confront Russia. With such people, he simply cannot win.
As is the case with virtually all lefty bots, Manju’s programmers operate on the assumption that no one on a website will remember the bots last appearance. Unfortunately, boys, this ain’t the place where that works. We all remember your last visit, and we all remember that you disappeared as soon as you were confronted with the actual facts about Trump’s actions vis-à-vis Russia. Now you’re back again with the same bullshit.
We ain’t buying. Back to the Macedonian content farm with you, Manju-bot!
Do people truly believe Manju is a paid troll?
I don’t claim to know whether he is or how much of that goes on. I am curious, however.
huxley:
For a long time I didn’t think manju was paid. Over time I have come closer to thinking he is paid to do what he does. I’m about 50/50 on it at this point.
Chester Draws on April 16, 2019 at 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm said:
You have to be amused that Trump is accused both of being a nationalist, indeed jingoist, and yet is also in collusion with the Russians. By the same people!
Mind you he can also be an anti-Semite while being too pro-Israel.
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And he is a cunning genius while being at the same time a blithering idiot.
“The issue is never the issue.”
They say what it takes to try and convince whoever they are talking to in that particular forum at that particular time, and count on the high probability that those listeners don’t shop in other fora. Cf. Richard to Manju on memory.
PS to Art – great fisk of Manju’s comment especially paragraph 5!
I needed a good laugh today.
huxley…on Manju & trolling for hire…
Magic 8-ball says “Most Likely”
Of course I cannot say with 100% certainty that manju, or any other specific troll (there are a few on PowerLine) is actually being paid to do it. However I *strongly* suspect that quite a few of them are. For one thing it is known that Hillary had an operation called “Correct the Record” which was essentially people spreading pro-HRC propaganda on the internet. I would be surprised if efforts like these are not continually being made. Also there are common themes to the trolls, e. g. many of them (maybe not manju) claim that they aren’t really “left”, that they have voted Republican in the past, etc. In other words they try to portray themselves as being fair and open-minded but their purpose is unmistakable no matter how much they try to deflect and misdirect.
Useful idiots should refrain from using that term in their useful idiot posts. Idiots with less than useful. A sad way to go through life.
Reposted from CTH:
The fundamental issue is, when a President knows there is absolutely nothing there, there is objectively nothing there, and there is a special counsel investigating whether there is something there, and the President (who is supposed to ensure that government moneys are spent wisely) publicly says, “this is a waste of f*cking time and money, assess that there is nothing there and begone” — is this a reasonable exercise of management or criminal obstruction of justice?
That we were even discussing this in the first place is a farce. That we are discussing it after two years and $40M is an obscenity. That this is still the great white whale of the Demoncraps is sedition.
Benedict Donald:
Emphasis mine.
“Useful Idiot” is being charitable.
“Mind you he can also be an anti-Semite while being too pro-Israel.”
Hmmm. Looks like “SOME PEOPLE” (TM) beat you to it!!
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=27616
I find it ‘interesting’ that the first comments here and at Legal Insurrection were by leftists uncharacteristic of both blog readerships.
Almost as if these paid operatives were ready with prepared content, and notified by automated alerts once relevant, intelligent blogs on the topic were posted.
Almost…
Manju a paid troll? He doesn’t necessarily have to be paid.
Manju is likely just a volunteer troll, a concerned leftist,who receives talking points by daily email with helpful hints and certain phrases already tried for how well people respond to them. See how often they match the trolls of other sites, often word for word.
Manju rarely actually addresses criticism or counterpoints. For example, see his last comment regarding Trump and Afghanistan; no one here believes or cares that that is a problem. And no, Manju, you don’t count.
To get in the weeds and actually debate with sincere regulars is counterproductive. I’m sure the trolls have been coached about that too. They are very good at sticking to their points. They aren’t good at debate. They don’t even try. That’s not the point.
-Sow discord
-Sow doubt
-Sow ambivalence
Pattern recognition is our friend: notice that the Manjus of the world only respond to certain topics in certain ways, quite reliably. Manju could easily disabuse many of us of the notion he is a troll: Debate honestly, make frequent, friendly or humorous comments on the less political posts. But a troll is too busy for that and has a lot of “data” points to hit in a day’s work.
Someone, somewhere has identified Neo’s blog as a schwerpunkt, (Congratulations Neo!) hence we get Manju.
Don’t debate them. If you identify a likely troll, and feel you must respond to them, ridicule and humor are your best tools. The best tactic would be for Neo to identify likely trolls and ban them. But barring that, laugh them away.
Live by the dossier, die by the dossier?
https://politicallyshort.com/2019/04/17/the-media-fusion-gps-and-the-fbi/
https://twitter.com/i/moments/924719263033593856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Guess we’ll have to see… (albeit not via the MSM, which will suppress, as it has up until now, anything and everything connected to Democratic Party malfeasance).
It is a bit of a mystery why so many continue to almost worship this sleaze ball. Is it the James Bond-like moniker? Is it the rugged good looks? The impeccable accent? Talk about obfuscation, though. It’s almost funny….
(In the meantime, Long Live the Dossier!!)
As the saying goes, “you can’t tell the players without a program,” and this whole Coup attempt was and is a very complex and confusing operation.
The most document-focused analyses I have seen are those done by “Sundance,” whose analyses look like they may, indeed, be the roadmap people will need to start identifying the array of federal employees and others involved, pinpoint their efforts to move key players into the influential positions they needed to be in to engineer the Coup, and the actions that made up this complex and multi-part Coup attempt.
Neo: The RT Troll Factory in St. Petersburg is real. There is simply too much evidence not to accept that as true, even though Russia officially denies it. Manju’s remark has the markings of RT’s work. As Artfldgr demonstrated, it starts out seeming reasonable, and then leads to outright lies.
I used to be very active on the English language blogs related to Venezuela. This was when the MSM was still acting like Chavez’s lapdog and were painting Venezuela as a socialist paradise. The mission of the blogs back then was to debunk the propaganda. The comment sections were full of content by both RT and TeleSur trolls. TeleSur operated their trolling operation out of an office in Quito, Ecuador.
One of the ways I have detected paid agent provocateurs is that after a while, they begin avoiding moi.
For some reason, they understand that talking to me defeats their purposes. It’s an energy thing that people here won’t understand.
Aka Deep State thing.
In military talk, I have a higher classification and paygrade than the provocateur’s own boss and super managers. Thus talking to me would not only invalidate the 4th wall here and elsewhere in their work place, it would begin to cause security violations in what they should or should not know. Which will get them in trouble with… oh, orgs like Gaystapo and the Jesuits and the Vatican and Soros boys.
If they are dumb enough, and zombies always are, enough to repeat what I told them, to their circle… they won’t be living pretty any time soon. Yo Manju, get over here ; ) We need a steamed bun.
The comment sections were full of content by both RT and TeleSur trolls. TeleSur operated their trolling operation out of an office in Quito, Ecuador.
When RUssia invaded Georgia, the same thing happened online. People were backing Russia and blaming Georgia for instigating things.
All it takes is trust. Trust in verified sources, but those sources themselves are compromised. Thus when news stories spread, they spread with a bias or inherent disinformation component that gets regurgitated 6 billion times. By then, it is too late to separate truth from fiction.
ymarsaker,
“It’s an energy thing that people here won’t understand.”
Seriously? Get over yourself.
“Get over yourself”
Don’t hold your breath
“One of the ways I have detected paid agent provocateurs is that after a while, they begin avoiding moi.”
Does that mean we are all likely paid agent provocateurs?
Fractal Rabbit:
Shh! be very quiet, he’s hunting wabbits (and agent provocateurs).
Seriously? Get over yourself.
Unlikely to happen but your unsolicited comments are welcome nonetheless.
It is kind of being like Milo or Vox Day, without the popularity, but with an equal amount of infamy attached. It feels kind of tingly.
Does that mean we are all likely paid agent provocateurs?
Why would you ever think that?
After all, I am not being ignored here, at least not from my current perception.
Don’t hold your breath
That’s usually not a good idea unless one is practicing chi gong.
The amount of hate from losing arguments here is interesting but tiresome to clean up. The human aura field is toxic as a result and not just from Left vs Right, REd vs Blue. Or maybe that was Blue vs Red.
Human hate has always lashed out at people, not just at Manju. The Leftists did it to themselves, but those who fight the Left are liable to do it to themselves as well, for they cannot handle the True Hate either.
One of the amazing things about this whole mess is that the key piece of supposed “evidence” for the fact that the Russians hacked into the DNC and into Hillary’s servers that people don’t mention often enough, given its central significance, is the fact that–according to reports–the FBI has never actually had access to or examined the servers that are at the center of this whole thing.
The FBI has agreed, instead, to just take the word of, and rely on, the certification by a computer firm that the DNC itself hired–Cloudstrike–for the “fact” that the Russians had, indeed, hacked into these servers.
Why, why in the world would the FBI sign a reported agreement to forego access to and examination of these key pieces of evidence, these servers, but instead rely on just the word of an outside company that had been hired by the central figures in this incident?
If a trial were to proceed on the basis of this second hand “evidence,” does anyone think that this procedure would hold up in court?
I don’t.
Make that Crowdstrike.
Sorry, its late and I got a little confused there.
Crowdstrike was only involved in diagnosing the supposed Russian hacking of the DNC server, not in the issue of Hillary’s server.
However, according to reports, because of it’s lack of strong security measures, it is possible that actors from several countries might have been able to access the material–some percentage of it classified–on Hillary’s private, non-governmental server.
As to why the FBI would agree to accept Crowdstrike’s diagnosis that the DNC server was hacked, and that it was the Russians who had done the hacking, perhaps the people at the FBI who were running this supposed “investigation” did not want FBI forensic computer experts to get anywhere near these servers, for fear of what they might find.
Perhaps, as some have suggested, they might have found that there hadn’t actually been any “hacking” done by any outside force but that, instead, someone with access to the DNC server had simply downloaded the data onto a thumb drive or two, and walked that information out of the building.
AG Barr’s press conference just concluded was a gas. It’s preserved on YouTube. Hilarious to watch the media lose their grip in the question period, short though it was.
There’s some funny stuff out there on the Internet.
See https://pjmedia.com/video/watch-the-video-youtube-doesnt-want-you-to-see-trump-russia-possible-collusion-remix/
Considering that Podesta’s password was “Password,” and that Hillary had undoubtedly linked her private server to his account, and that every e-mail between Hillary and Huma was copied to Anthony Wiener’s(!) phone, I haven’t the slightest doubt that myriads of 14-year olds had full access to the DNC and Hillary’s servers.
Remember how everyone on the left was moaning about “Barr getting the first chance to spin the Mueller report in his press conference”?
Take a look at the top results from searching for the video on Google today.
https://www.google.com/search?q=barr+press+conference&oq=barr+press+conference&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l2j0l3.7115j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
9 of 10 stories repeat the Left’s moaning; even Fox led with their response.
The one exception was Andrew McCarthy (I can’t copy his or Slate’s blurbs).
Took out the links so this doesn’t hit Moderation Purgatory.
William Barr’s Mueller Report Press Conference Was Shameful …
rollingstone–5 hours ago – WASHINGTON — At the end of a half-hour press conference in which Attorney General William Barr parroted White House talking points and …
Why William Barr’s press conference was a farce, in one moment – Vox
5 hours ago – Attorney General William Barr invited the press to ask him questions Thursday morning about the Mueller report. The final question got to the …
William Barr frames release of Mueller report in Trump’s language …
cnn.com–5 hours ago – Attorney General William Barr on Thursday framed special counsel Robert … said at a press conference ahead of the redacted report’s release.
MSNBC host unloads on Barr after Mueller report press conference …
foxnews.com–MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace seemed incredulous after attorney general William Barr, whom she called a “human shield” for Trump, previewed the special …
Twitter melts down over Barr press conference | TheHill
5 hours ago – Twitter exploded throughout Attorney General William Barr’s press conference ahead of the release of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report, …
Mueller report: William Barr, in press conference, defends Trump …
cbsnews – Barr defends Trump, saying he faced an “unprecedented situation” during … In the press conference, Barr said the the White House “fully …
[this was from before than the press conference, and semi-positive because of Collins’ tweet – see below the lede for another tweet from Collins]
Mueller report release: Trump said he was “f**ked” after Mueller …
cbsnews.com -10 hours ago – Doug Collins, the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, reacted to Barr’s press conference, tweeting that there was “no cover up …
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/04/17/democrats-led-by-nadler-and-schiff-outraged-at-ag-barr-decision-to-hold-press-conference/comment-page-4/#comment-6920817
citizen817 says:
April 17, 2019 at 11:16 pm
Rep. Doug Collins
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@RepDougCollins
The only person trying to spin the report is @RepJerryNadler. The AG has done nothing unilaterally. After partnering with DAG Rosenstein to share principal conclusions, Barr is releasing the report voluntarily, working with Mueller’s team step by step.
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6:40 PM – Apr 17, 2019
Can’t get enough of these silly things.
Here’s another funny Hillary evil laugh remix at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqYJRc0TJkQ&list=PLH3POZ6zScBoyGVVfS9RM9LCA4Q3EnJaJ&index=3