Is Russiagate worse than Watergate?
And not just worse; much worse.
Nunes has worked tirelessly for more than two years to expose what our masters in deep-state Washington would bury from the glare of public scrutiny: the evidence that the entire Trump-Russian collusion narrative was a partisan effort, first, to undermine the Trump presidential campaign and, when that failed, to cover up the effort while still working assiduously to destroy the Trump presidency…
As I have been saying for a couple of years now, this is the biggest scandal in American history. It dwarfs Watergate. Indeed, it challenges the fundamental integrity of our democratic—i.e., accountable—institutions. It challenges, too, the sacrosanct ideal of the separation of powers. Finally, it challenges the presumption of basic fairness and open competition without which our republic could endure in name only…
In a recent column for the Washington Examiner, Devin Nunes wrote that “It is astonishing that intelligence leaders did not immediately recognize they were being manipulated in an information operation or understand the danger that the dossier could contain deliberate disinformation from Steele’s Russian sources.” It is in fact so astonishing, he goes on to note, that it is positively incredible, not in the sense of amazing but in the root sense of not credible.
“It’s now clear,” Nunes says, “that top intelligence officials were perfectly well aware of the dubiousness of the dossier, but they embraced it anyway because it justified actions they wanted to take—turning the full force of our intelligence agencies first against a political candidate and then against a sitting president.”
Please read the whole thing.
Who else were they spying on? Remember that Trump was a joke, there was no way he could get the nomination, much less win. Remember when Trump had a rally in Arizona and McCain was asked about it and replied that it was just a bunch of crazy people. Were they also spying on Cruz, who seemed like a front runner? Remember that the Obama administration used the espionage act to spy on reporters.
Yes, it’s much worse than Watergate. Nixon was headed for impeachment for attempting to use the IRS against political opponents. Obama did use the IRS, and other executive agencies, against political opponents; and now we know that his administration used law enforcement and intelligence services against political opponents.
Ray, above, is right to ask what other campaigns and individuals they spied on.
Far worse.
There now exists an axis of The Democratic Party/The MSM/Left Academia/Hollywood/ and a feral entrenched bureaucracy that is politically, culturally, socially, and clinically psychotic.
The future of the Republic depends on the good will and actions of people like Nunes, Graham, Collins, and Barr.
The tree of liberty is parched, it needs to be watered.
Nixon was headed for impeachment for attempting to use the IRS against political opponents.
No, he was headed for impeachment for organizing hush money payments to the general-counsel of the Committee to Re-elect the President, the chief of security at the Committee to Re-elect the President, and five contractors employed by the Committee to Re-elect the President, among other things. The hush money was to induce them to plead guilty and remain silent about the burglary and wire-tapping project they were running.
Obama didn’t need to have his campaign manager hire a pick-up team to do bag jobs on the opposition. The FBI was happy to volunteer for the role.
This is far far worse than Watergate…and I don’t reckon the conspirators are finished yet.
Americans don’t even know what Watergate was about.
The hush money was to induce them to plead guilty and remain silent about the burglary and wire-tapping project they were running.
Obama didn’t need to have his campaign manager hire a pick-up team to do bag jobs on the opposition. The FBI was happy to volunteer for the role.
Nixon’s team came from the FBI and was specially trained by Mark Felt, Deep Throat’s COINTELPRO division.
Know what that means? It means Felt already knew what the team was doing just by looking at their names, while Nixon would not be aware of what the FBI was doing with COINTELPRO, any more than Trum knew what Comey was doing in 2015.
Much worse than Watergate.
Obama is more guilty than Nixon.
But the intel agencies have long been at least a little rogue — wasn’t Bush also head of CIA soon after Watergate? Credited with “cleaning it up”. Maybe.
The USA could use a Barr appointed Special Prosecutor to look at the crimes of Clinton campaign and earlier.
Parker: It needs to be watered copiously and be weighed down with fruits.. hopefully not just of the low-hanging sort.
1. According to Devin Nunes, ” “The Papadopoulos information” not the Steele Dossier, “triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation.”
2. Much of the Steele Dossier has been verified:
a. The Moscow Project was in the Steele Dossier. This forms the basis of the Cohen perjury conviction. It also may explain not only why the FBI investigated Trump, but also why Mueller didn’t bring charges.
Trump was lying about not having any deals with Russia. At some point, the FBI must have learnt about all these contacts with Putin’s press secretary. They had to square this with Trumps lies about no contacts at all.
Presumably Meuller found out that Trump was lying because he didn’t want Americans to know about his potentially huge deal with Moscow. Lying to the American people about doing business with enemies of the US isn’t necessarily a crime. But you can’t blame the FBI for investigating theses contacts.
b. The carter page warrant was renewed multiple times, all by republican judges and at least once at the request of the Trump DOJ. That means parts were verified,
“Was Obama administration illegal spying worse than Watergate?”
Based on this handy table, I would say yes:
Did the principals work for the government Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
How many people were involved? Watergate: 3 Obama Spygate: Dozens
Was the CIA involved? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Was the FBI involved? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Was the DOJ involved? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Was the DNI involved? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Were cabinet members involved? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Was the National Security Advisor involved? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Was the US Ambassador to the UN involved Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Were other Senior Admin people invloved? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Were the senior leadership of any government organizations “weaponized” on behalf of the president? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Was the media complicit with the administration in spying/ coverup Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Was the media digging to find the truth? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Did the AG resign in protest when asked to support the admin in illegalities Watergate: Yes Obama Spygate: No
Did ANY member of the administration or departments resign in protest? Watergate: Yes Obama Spygate: No
Did the FBI or CIA enlist foreign spies to entrap opponents? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Did the president order anyone to fire a special prosecutor? Watergate: Yes Trump: No
Did the FBI misrepresent evidence in applying for warrants? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Was the administration successful in having stories planted on their behalf in the media? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Were media members paid by the administration, allies of the admin, including party PACS and the parties National Committee? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Did the president’s opponent in the election pay for opposition research on the president and then have that used by the government as a basis to investigate? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes
Rosenstein (and Guildenstern?) and dread—together with a huge dose of self-preservation—have led to some rather fateful “solutions”, according to one creative commentator:
http://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2019/04/what-was-behind-mueller-appointment.html?m=1
GlobalTrvlr,
“Was the media digging to find the truth? Watergate: No Obama Spygate: Yes”
Well, isn’t this one just the opposite? The press was digging during Watergate. But was smothering the news with a pillow, to paraphrase the Iowahawk, during Spygate.
Manju, bless your little heart. You remind me of Dori from Finding Nemo; “Just keep shilling. Just keep shilling.”
Nixon’s team came from the FBI and was specially trained by Mark Felt, Deep Throat’s COINTELPRO division.
No, they did not. Gordon Liddy and James McCord had been FBI agents at one time, but neither had worked there in a decade or more. The FBI has thousands of employees. Howard Hunt had been employed by the CIA, not the FBI. The rest of the crew were private citizens (Cuban exiles all) who had been intermittently employed by Hunt in one or another anti-Castro project.
The smart money says ‘Deep Throat’ was a composite.
Gordon Liddy and James McCord had been FBI agents at one time, but neither had worked there in a decade or more.
Came from the FBI. At one time, they came from the FBI. Hussein Obola came from the Senate and Harvard. Does not mean he was still there in 2014.
The FBI has thousands of employees.
Not all FBI Employees are involved with COINTELPRO.
Howard Hunt had been employed by the CIA, not the FBI.
Which does not invalidate the ones that came from the FBI.
The smart money says ‘Deep Throat’ was a composite.
Generally a conspiracy to overthrow the ruling President requires more than one person, but the voice of Deep Throat in managing the press is pretty obvious. The smart money rests with those in the US manipulating events behind the scenes while Nixon and others take the fall for it in public.
If it wasn’t for Donald J Trum, Americans would still think conspiracies were just fruit loop moon bat 9/11 steel doesn’t melt fire bullsh. Of course, the Deep State has conditioned a lot of lovable sheep and slaughterable livestock by now.
wasn’t Bush also head of CIA soon after Watergate? Credited with “cleaning it up”. Maybe.
George Bush the Elder was CIA director for about 14 months, from November 1975 to January 1977. The Watergate affair wasn’t the work of the CIA. The CIA was facing hideous scandals in 1975, but activities contra the Democratic Party were not among them.
Nixon and Ford made use of Bush in a series of filler appointments over a period of six years. First he was in charge of the Mission to the United Nations, then Republican National Chairman, then director of the US Liaison Office in China, then director of the CIA. The late Bill Cullen once said he got one gig after another on television because the producers were ready to roll but hadn’t been able to think of anyone else to host the show. George Bush was the Bill Cullen of the Nixon-Ford Administration (in a double act with Elliot Richardson; not to be confused with George Schultz, who had on-point expertise for the positions he held). I think it was Pierre duPont who cracked that Bush had a resume but no record. Wouldn’t attach any significance to him holding any particular position.
Well, isn’t this one just the opposite? The press was digging during Watergate. But was smothering the news with a pillow, to paraphrase the Iowahawk, during Spygate.
The press back then was “digging” about the same as Comey and Mueller were digging.
Sometimes the act of digging into something is merely a way to make the hole bigger by distracting people with a pile of dirt.
It used to be called disinformation. Using one layer of the onion security to cover the deeper layer of the onion security. The Manhattan Project had most people thinking they were making stuff for the war yes, but they didn’t know it was a nuclear weapon.
In case the Germans or Japanese had penetrated the outer levels of the Manhattan Project, they would come to realize that the people’s knowledge about the weapons would leak. However, what would leak would be disinformation or compartmentalized information about erroneous dead ends.
The security was so tight that it took FDR and the highest spies in the US government, to give Russia much of anything later on.
The Watergate affair wasn’t the work of the CIA. The CIA was facing hideous scandals in 1975, but activities contra the Democratic Party were not among them.
The CIA is more closely related to the JFK assassination, at least in the eyes of Trum and Alt Right.
Pretty much the entirety of DC was wire tapping the White House and Nixon. It’s why they were able to leak the “cover up” to begin with. Nobody in the USA apparently wondered why the US President was being spied upon to that extent by the FBi/Pentagon/CIA/etc.
Hey Manju, do you want me to sit with you when you get debriefed? Cause it is gonna be painful.
The CIA is more closely related to the JFK assassination, at least in the eyes of Trum and Alt Right.
In the eyes of people who peddle historical fiction, a category which does not include the president but does include Ron Unz.
2. Much of the Steele Dossier has been verified:
You never give up, do you?
manju is a true believer of the type that is capable of violence when told to do it by a handler. The ANTIFA types are foot soldiers of the Red Guards. Its is possible that he is just spouting what he has been told but he may actually believe it. This is how you get Lee Harvey Oswalds.
And now we have psychological analysis via blog comments. Would you do self surgery with your smart phone and Dr. Google as your guide? Manju should be laughing right now, politics aside.
Well, “verified” as bunk….
Fractal Rabbit:
Whatever they are paying Manju, it’s not enough. Shill work is getting more and more difficult to perform convincingly.
The “Russians” are so old school. They should have applied for employment at the DNC and received a diversity waiver.
That said, it is Water Closet, and, despite Deep Plunger’s efforts, it is still overflowing, coloring the climate, and polluting the environment.
Watergate was Nixon and a few of his staff.
RUSSIAGATE was the whole Democrat party and their sympathizers in the administration.
And all their minions in the media.
In the eyes of people who peddle historical fiction, a category which does not include the president
Trum, the US President, has done much more than just peddle historical fiction relating to classifying and digging up the JFK assassination event.
His comments concerning CUBA, JFK, and that Tea Party Texan, is on the record. So are the Alt Right’s.
His comments concerning CUBA, JFK, and that Tea Party Texan,
He also made cracks about Cruz’ wife. It’s trash talk.
https://www.thenewneo.com/2019/04/13/santuary-cities-and-trump-the-alinskyite-2/#comment-2430704
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Snow on Pine is talking about drug money, cartels, and bribed Congressmen; it isn’t a far jump to Russiagate.
He also made cracks about Cruz’ wife. It’s trash talk.
It is not entirely trash talk, as one of Trum’s first successes was declassifying a lot of interesting JFK material for the conspiracy circles to look over. What was the point of trash talking people back then? He had won.
Trum’s stupidity shows itself in his bankruptcies as well as his naive belief that a “conspiracy” killed JFK, but that Trum boy in White House would be holden if he kept Comey and Mueller as his “You are Fired” Apprentices.
Snow on Pine is talking about drug money, cartels, and bribed Congressmen; it isn’t a far jump to Russiagate.
Basically the same stuff I tried to talk about. What else is new since 2007? Everything Americans dug up since then was “old news” to me.
Trum’s stupidity shows itself in his bankruptcies
Again, he was an equity investor in a company that owned a set of Atlantic City properties. The company applied for re-organization 4x before selling his stake. Not ever project works out.
Since English isn’t evidently your 1st language, you might look up ‘stupidity’ and see how the term is used in context.
I suggest we just “reset” this whole Russian Collusion thang….
Since English isn’t evidently your 1st language, you might look up ‘stupidity’ and see how the term is used in context.
I notice that the strength of your arguments decrease to “trash talk” and then decreased to basically nothing at this point.
I would interpret this as giving up or forfeiting, except you decided to do a distraction by calling up “stupidity”.
Since English isn’t evidently your 1st language, you might look up ‘stupidity’ and see how the term is used in context.
And if I did, would that make your arguments correct or superior? I don’t think you understand how logic works in English arguments. Or at least, you pretend not to know, although given your abilities, you really should have known by now.
Again, he was an equity investor in a company that owned a set of Atlantic City properties.
Again, hah. Do you understand how English works? Again implies that you covered this subject with me. That never happened in this thread. Nor do I recall reading you telling me this before. Perhaps you told others about it, but I wasn’t part of that conversation.
If you don’t have an argument, stop wasting people’s time, including yours, with these excuses and distractions. It would be more beneficial than learning English logic.