More on the separation of children from their illegal immigrant parents
I already wrote a tome today on this issue, focusing on the propaganda aspects as well as the origins of the policy and the law that governs.
But I just found some absolutely must-read articles on the subject. The first is the most clear statement I’ve read yet. I saw it at Powerline, and it consists of a letter from U.S. Civil Rights Commissioner Peter Kirsanow to AG Jeff Sessions and Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen. Here are some quotes, but I urge you to read the whole thing at the Powerline link:
The reason parents and children are separated is the law: When an adult illegal alien is prosecuted for unlawful entry, that person is taken into the custody of the U.S. Marshals and the children are taken into custody by HHS. Nonetheless, unless the adult applies for asylum, the unlawful entry is resolved relatively quickly and the separation is brief. But if the adult applies for asylum, the process”“-and separation”“is lengthier. That is because the 1997 Flores Consent Decree (and the Ninth Circuit’s interpretation thereof) stipulates that children may be held no more than twenty days. The asylum process is much longer.
If the U.S. were detaining the children with their parents, the Commission majority would surely issue a statement condemning the Departments for detaining children. Thus, the only way to avoid separating children from illegal alien parents that would be acceptable to the Commission majority would be to release both parents and children into the U.S., contrary to law. The bottom line is that the Commission majority is opposed to enforcing almost any immigration laws pertaining to illegal entry.
People who have potentially valid claims for asylum can present themselves at ports of entry and request asylum. They will be processed normally and will not be separated from their children because they are following the law.…
…It is unwise to release detained individuals into the United States, because they are then very likely to abscond into the interior and fail to appear for their immigration hearing…
American parents are separated from their children every day when they are arrested or incarcerated. According to HHS, during Fiscal Year 2016, 20,939 American children entered foster care because their parent is incarcerated. This is more than ten times the number of children who have been separated from their parents due to entering the United States illegally.6 People who cross the border illegally have committed a crime, and one of the consequences of being arrested and detained is, unfortunately, that their children cannot stay with them…
…there is no super-statute that decrees that aliens must be treated better than Americans. If Congress decides to change the law, that is its prerogative. But until such time as Congress changes the law, the Department of Justice should continue enforcing existing law and prosecute every case of illegal entry.
Well stated.
Other good articles to read are those cited in this Powerline post. They make the point that (a) international law says that those seeking asylum should apply in the first safe country they enter, which in this case would ordinarily be Mexico, and (b) many of these minors are raped along the way, or in this country when placed with fake “relatives.”
Unless I’m mistaken, though, US law overrules international law, and the asylum process is dictated by US law once the asylum-seeker is here. Congress might change that if it wanted, but I very much doubt it will.
There is a distinction between a person taking the correct & legal step of going to a border entry and asking for asylum and someone who crosses the border mid point and then when caught, claims to be seeking asylum. Big difference. The second person is violating our borders & our laws and should be detained.
It is known that adults are bringing in children who are not related to them, and that women & children are being raped and assaulted while traveling to the border. So, separation of children may actually be in the best interest of the child. What would everyone say if it came out that children were gang raped in a mixed population detainment center?
“Ted Cruz Introduces Emergency Legislation to End Family Separation — It Looks Solid”:
Key provisions:
–Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.
–Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.
–Mandate that illegal immigrant families must be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.
–Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that–within 14 days–those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
There is now no lie too big, no issue too important that the Left will not seek to use to gain more power.
The problem hinges on the fact that Trump chose to enforce a law already on the books with an instruction to detain adults who are charged criminally with illegal entry. I am really trying to run this down and cannot find one particular piece of information: what did the border agents do prior to this? I have to assume that they released families together who have asked for asylum, but who were caught after sneaking in instead of asking for asylum in the proper manner at desigated points of entry. I assume that because it seems to be the only alternative, although it could also be that they housed such families together with the families of people who applied for asylum through proper channels. The fact that Trump has changed a policy of discretionary enforcement, by now incarcerating the adults for illegal entry, is what is really really upsetting my Facebook contacts. They think he is a monster for ordering this approach; they see very young children being traumatized and potentially separated forever if they are too young to inform authorities who they are. I understand where Trump is coming from but it’s causing a firestorm.
The real “frestorm” is we have allowed our borders and LEGAL immigration system to be politicized by the left.
The above letter asks many of the questions I’ve been asking. If it violates all that is holy to separate children from parents, doesn’t that give single moms carte blanche to commit crrimes? Sure shoplift, prostitute yourself, rob, pistol whip your neighbor. Just make sure you have your kid with you.
Seems to me all the Hitler moustaches, concentration camp, third Reich and gas chamber analogies would be a tip off to them that there is manipulative political propaganda going on. But no. Hyperventilators gonna hyperventilate.
There is more than one side to this story, but from what I’m experiencing based on my Facebook contacts from the Dark Side, the left has finally found an issue that can stick and will have legs. I wish I were wrong.
We know that that other side to the story will never reach the Dark Side, but I genuinely fear that too many otherwise reachable people are going to fall for the appeal to emotion this time around — threatening the tentative success of *our* “resistance” to creeping leftism, already on life support.
For anyone who knows someone who is sufficiently open to the other side, I recommend the following article from the San Diego Union Tribune. [Disclosure: my wife once was a writer for the San Diego Union Tribune.]
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When children are separated from their parents at the border, here is where they go next
By Kate Morrissey, Contact Reporter
June 18, 2018, 5:00 AM
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/immigration/sd-me-family-separation-20180618-story.html
I am appalled, though not surprised, at the Left’s craven use, and abuse, of children for political warfare and gain. The one thing I do find humorous: nearly all the talking heads selected to comment and pontificate about this issue are women; at least on CNN, CBS, NBC, etc.
First create a crisis. (Stormy Daniels has expired) Second. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Third. Virtue Signaling is fun.
steve walsh Says:
June 19th, 2018 at 7:06 am
I am appalled, though not surprised, at the Left’s craven use, and abuse, of children for political warfare and gain.
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It’s the lesson they learned from Hamas.
This is a desperate attempt to distract the American public from the REAL profusion of facts showing the FBI is rotten to the core. Focus all the media attention on the hysteria du jour. It is a giant SQUIRREL ploy.
The hypocrisy makes me want to vomit
Delilah,
You are 100% correct.
This isn’t objective news reporting anymore; it is all propaganda. Before that, it was collusion with Russia and the Mueller investigation. Then it was school shootings and all the coverage of young activist David Hogg. Then it was Stormy Daniels and her partisan showboat lawyer.
In such instances, the media would focus on one issue, and then report on it non-stop. No matter the subject, the goal is always the same: to destroy Donald Trump, no matter what, regardless of what the truth is, what is really going on, or how it may affect the country.
Proving once again the axiom from Milton Friedman, “That which you want more of…reward.”
“The previous administration wouldn’t prosecute illegal aliens who entered the country with children,” Sessions said. “It was de facto open borders.”
“The results were unsurprising,” Sessions said. “More and more illegal aliens started showing up at the border with children.”
“To illustrate, in 2013, there were fewer than 15,000 family units apprehended crossing our border illegally between ports of entry,” Sessions said. “Five years later, it was more than 75,000–a five-fold increase in five years.”
“It didn’t even have to be their child–it could be anyone,” Sessions said. “You can imagine the horrible abuses that resulted.”
“The open borders, pro-amnesty crowd encouraged that–and they have the gall to attack those of us who want to end this lawlessness and the dangers these children face,” Sessions said
International treaties become US law when ratified by congress.
This is the case AFAIK with the treaties regarding the process of seeking asylum into a country, indeed to be done at the first safe port of entry after leaving the country you’re fleeing, which as you note would usually be Mexico for latin americans.
Now which group normalized the idea of personal facts as real no matter how many times refuted?
now we have this as a normal practice, normalized as stalin would say, and the perps get a free ticket
once we didnt hold them to that, then none could be held
How to Believe Six Impossible Things before Breakfast: Irigaray, Alice and Neo-Pagan Negotiation of the Otherworld
From men oppressed women from before humans were humans is a great one… it means no one should live… as everyone is a product of………….
truth is what you can push and normalize
our ladies of infinite truth set that for all these things…
and we ignore them for it… (i guess)
for instance.. which group is this copying (nazi’s for the children – read the book), which group is and has been employing it for 40+ years?
Which group is now to use it to do what?
the point is irrelevant as getting this close the best you can do is wack a mole…
Feminist Majority Foundation Protests the Separation of Children….
Feminists are Fighting the Trump Administration’s Deadly Immigration…..
Children of the revolution: life in a post feminist world
MS. Federal Agents Seized an Infant from Her Mother at the Border–While She Was Breastfeeding
Feminist Legal Clinic / https://feministlegal.org/
Distressing audio released of children separated at Mexico border
Gloria Steinem Pushes Back on Borders – Ms. Magazine Blog
Dr. Nadia Hashimi — Feminist Majority PAC
LGBT Parenting · LGBT Relationships · LGBT Youth · LGBT … I’m urging the Senator to denounce Trump’s family separation policy and use all of … Sessions’ Justice Department — is cruelly separating families at the border for no legitimate reason. Immigration authorities have separated THOUSANDS of children
NYSPA’s Statement on Children Separated from Their Parents
if you arent going to oppose them, then give up.. they win the moment they say something… you cant change anyting unless you oppose that humongous excuse block… otherwise you will be ignored, erased, not considered, etc
its really THAT simple..
as long as its destructive, they will let them have it
the rest takes care of itself
of course the rubes dont get to say anyting as they are not part of the discussion (your the rubes)…
they worked ths out decades ago, and you lost cause you never showed up to give counter arguments!!!
[tear one out of stalins book who gave trotsky the wrong date for lenins funeral… oh well. too bad for them]
Chapter 10
Borders, Embodiment, and Mobility: Feminist Migration Studies in Geography
put in the language rubes can understand, you have to have open borders so women can have equal pay… borders are an invention of the patriarchy to keep women financially down trodden
thats 2005 referring to 1970s…
your 2018… about 13 years LATE to discuss this
right now, they are discussing what you will HAVE TO ACCEPT
and again, you lose cause your not there, your waiting for a turn that wont come..
right now, what you discuss is decided a long while
you dont get to change it.. as there is stuff ahead of that that is happening now you will chat about in a few years
see? the point of borders is so white feminist women and whitey can keep the tanned women from coming here and having equal pay for equal work…
the point of a border is to keep women down
now, none of you are going to argue this, so when the people who are educated hear you, your not even in the ball park, your not even wrong… your arguing a colonial view of borders not an intersexual intersectional gender race power expression of the patriarchy… and your ideas are pushed aside… you dont get heard. you were debated out decades ago!!! and dont know it
before you get peeved, remember its your tax dollars paying to establish this as the way and you as the rube!!!!
What is decolonizing feminism?
from the author:
Disclaimer: white people can be intersectional feminists, and people of color can also be imperialistic feminists. Being a white person doesn’t inherently make you a white feminist.
[now they are done using the primary group, they are going to smash it!!! hegelian style… ]
See? you missed the memo on how they got around that
your white feminists and so your no good any more!!!!
Decolonization, or anticolonialism, is the intellectual, cultural and political resistance to hegemonic ways of knowing and related practices perpetuated by neocolonialism and eurocentrism. It is the agentic activity of enlivening postcolonialism theory with a dignity-affirming, bottom-up approach that transforms social relations
Vandana Shiva
George Sefa Dei
Luisa Maffi
Marina Apgar
This is what got everyone to give up proving tests are written (how?) to favor one race than another, and just assume it.. we can assume it other places, we now accept that as a valid way… disparity has only one explanation, whites did it… (or chinese? they arent clear)…
this is why colleges are doing away with entrance exams and trying to put things that dont work on equal footing as new sciences!!!
How feminist biology is challenging science’s gender biases
its a special form that invalidates all others…
Is the science of biology sexist?
the director of the US National Institute of Health (NIH) publicly admonished scientists for testing drugs and theories on male lab rats, tissues and cells, while excluding females for fear their hormone cycles might distort results
Wittig Fellows of Feminist Biology will spend two years in the women’s studies department critiquing biased research and producing new theories that “reflect feminist approaches”.
yes… womens studies takes over biolabs… genetics too..
you guys ready to talk that?
She concluded that, contrary to the prevailing view of male and female mental characteristics, there are few significant psychological differences between sexes, and many more similarities. In other words — men are from Mars, and women are too.
on the left, you have a live twin
on the right, you have a dead twin
they are more similar than not
so the difference doesnt matter.
right?
thats how edumacated women thing once trained by who to think that way?
She believes the same thinking could be extended to other subjects, and to issues of race and ethnicity. Maybe galgebra, femistry, herstory and sheography (some work on the portmanteau needed) will become a reality after all.
you wont talk about this stuff till the things are decided, years passed and you sit there confused on how you got there… duh.. .when you were talking about obama, they had already been discussing this stuff for about 7 years.
Darn, I have to post after artfldgr bloviations again. Oh well.
An interesting side point is that the reason Kirsanow is in the minority on the so-called Civil Rights commission is that the Trump administration re-nominated Chai Feldblum to the Commission. Feldblum is a radical homosexual activist who has perverted (so to speak) the Commission to her agenda. So far Sen. Mike Lee has been able to block a vote on her nomination but it is still in play. If it ever does come to a vote it would likely pass with solid Democrat plus the weak sisters voting for her.
https://www.chicksonright.com/2018/06/19/president-trump-lays-it-all-out-there-during-fiery-and-hilarious-speech-in-washington/
.@POTUS: “I’m going to go, very shortly, for authorization that when countries abuse us by sending their people up – not their best [people] – we’re not going to give any more aid to those countries. Why the hell should we? Why should we?” https://t.co/4NzISpVeUJ pic.twitter.com/8FeROsYOa9
– CBS News (@CBSNews) June 19, 2018
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I have for many years considered it insane (aka “business as usual in DC”) to send aid to countries who are exporting their problems to our side of the border. We can calculate the “cost” of illegal immigration, direct and indirect, and it should be immediately deducted from any financial aid package to their home countries.
BTW, Trump is also working on ending the payments to Hamas that allow them to give pensions to the families of their dead or jailed terrorist murderers. Should have been done the day their first such payments were made, which is now some years ago, if not decades.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-u-s-cuts-funding-to-pa-over-payments-to-terrorists-families-1.5937745
In one form or another, there were separating the children and the parents done by all prior administrations before President Trump by no more than twenty-one days…upon watching a townhall meeting of LA County residents in 2017, the people attending the meeting: whites, blacks, and Latino residents all voiced their dislike of illegal aliens… one lady from El Salvador said that the Obama administration detain and deported more persons.