Meanwhile…
…the left is all excited (see also this) about Stormy Daniels, and hope that everyone will soon share that excitement, too.
Daniels has told a number of stories about whether she had an affair with Trump. But if I had to guess, I’d say she did. At this point, however, the news would make most people shrug.
What will come of her lawsuit to be freed of the non-disclosure agreement she signed I do not know, but I don’t think this is the thing that will finally sink Trump or even damage his reputation. His reputation in terms of affairs is pretty clear, and has been for decades.
I think I’m pretty consistent on this one. I don’t care. I didn’t care with Bill Clinton and Gennifer Flowers and way back to Gary Hart and whatshername. If it happens in office that is a little more concerning but years prior to election, nope, don’t care.
Plus, it is the left that has moved the Overton Window on this issue so they should be OK with this, right? Or at least not that bothered.
Trump’s long, long run as a tabloid figure has almost inoculated him from this type of stuff in my opinion.
adultery can only sink a politician who was portrayed as a monogamous family loving and religious man as the scandal calls into question of the man’s trustworthiness and credibility and likeliness to break campaign promises. Trump was a notorious playboy, and he was elected with everyone of his voters knowing he was a playboy, he didn’t commit no political sin in this case since no violation of trust was involved as he never run as a monogamous religious man. Not releasing his tax returns as promised during the election was a bigger violation and scandal to me.
I find it very funny that Liberals love to condemn Conservatives for violating standards that Liberals falsely believed Conservatives are fixated on that Conservatives never said they were concerned about. Conservatives didn’t have a problem with Clinton because he had sex with a woman, they had a problem with him doing it with a 19 yo intern in the oval office while he was the president and lied under oath about it. Reagan had outside of marriage sex with tons of actresses in his days as a actor and no conservatives were ever concerned about it because it was well documented, even Nancy had an affair with Frank Sinatra and no one cared.
Wiring $130,000 to adult film star to buy her silence is not nothing. From the standpoint of voters and the American people it’s all about perception. Perhaps people will not care as many did not care about Bill Clinton’s actions? [And when I say actions I mean both the affair and lying about it]. Time will tell.
Here are 3 psychologists on stage – one after another.
Jordan starts at 51:20 but I’ll urge you to watch the first two first.
What is the meaning of life.
The left wants to focus on Stormy Daniels.
Conservatives want to focus (generally) on the acts that are unquestionably evil. Resounding and amazing speech.
P.S. It was amazing to watch the first two psychologists take notes and ponder Jordan’s words.
it is nothing because if there was anything illegal and inappropriate took place in the encounter the amount would be much higher than $130,000, especially in a world where sexual harassment settlements involving merely inappropriate exchange of jokes can get up to millions. Trump paid her probably because she was a notorious porn star not someone with an upstanding background and the last thing someone who is so insecure about his sexual prowess wants is to have a porn star writing a book detailing your sexual performance, because he has no control what she writes, it is better not to have the book ever published than debunking the lies.
This is the kind of dirty game liberals like to play, they can easily pay the porn star millions to have her breach the agreement and tell the truth, but chose not to, allowing the imagination of their audience to continue to run wild, imagining things to be way worse than what actually took place, which is way more damaging than letting the truth come out since MSM knows too well that no encounter merely 130,000 can buy the silence of will be as shocking as the disgusting imaginary interpretations Trump haters can come up in their minds and as effective in damaging Trump’s image.
Same thing with the Russia collusion, they have no evidence to prove anything took place, but will never come out clearing Trump, because not clearing him is enough for his haters to fill in the blank and convict him in their minds. Liberals love rhetoric in place of facts and evidence because rhetoric can’t be disproved, but facts and false evidence can.
In Trump haters’ imagination Trump violently raped her, CNN much rather have that idea sink in in their minds than let the truth came out that Trump paid her probably because he had problems maintaining an erection.
Ironic much, one of the *other* MSN. is planning an expose on sexual harassment at 60 minutes. Should really cast the spotlight on Trump, won’t it ?
He ends at 1:12:08 and I’m reduced to tears.
Dave:
Monica Lewinsky was 22 years old when she and Clinton began their relationship.
Baklava:
Link to the video??
sorry my bad
How the media treated Bill Clinton immunized Trump against sexual scandals.
And there’s one big difference between all the woman accusing Trump vs the Clinton accusers. None of them accuse Trump of forcing sex upon them- they were all willing participants.
Baklava, I’d like to watch but can’t find the link.
oops sorry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV4oIqnaxlg
Please watch the first two psychologists – his demeanor and way of delivering a message is AMAZING !!!!
He paid $130,000 to Stormy Daniels!
I voted for him, but now I’m beginning to have grave doubts about his ability to evaluate the actual monetary value of certain commodities.
Sorry, porn whores don’t get a high truth rating from me… especially porn whores that need big bucks… big time.
The irony is that she’s interviewed by America’s most public queer, the face of CNN.
Well, it’s no wonder it’s known as the Clown News Network.
That Donald screws around is like telling me that Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon — it’s not exactly news.
Playboy and Penthouse centerfold models have beaten her to the story.
BTW, she actually looks BELOW Trump’s grade.
I have a HARD time believing he screwed HER.
Not hot enough, WAY too ‘burnt out’ — having had more than 500 ‘scenes’ a LONG time back.
So, yeah, man-whores had to be paid to screw her on camera.
What’s good to know: most man-whores in porn are queer as hell.
Without the bucks, they wouldn’t even look at her.
Hence the mechanical way most man-whores come off on film.
They have exactly ZERO emotional connection to the porn whore.
No, it won’t do much depending on what if anything she has as evidence should it finally come out if it’s true..
Sex talk is expected for instance. Maybe naked photos.
But suppose he made disparaging comments of his pregnant wife and that is recorded? That stuff won’t go over very well. To say, you know for sure what Trump will say on any given day, is a talent I don’t have.
“Is There Meaning to Life? | William Lane Craig, Rebecca Goldstein, Jordan Peterson”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV4oIqnaxlg
baklava: Watched some of Craig and Goldstein, then all of Peterson. Craig and Goldstein looked like earnest valedictorians giving their Big Graduation Speeches in comparison to Peterson, pacing back and forth, doing real Socratic philosophy, while we watched.
I was curious about Goldstein. A philosophy friend recommended her books. He even managed to have a brief correspondence with her. But gosh, she was awful.
Her personal, self-proclaimed “Grand Project” is to bridge divides between people and find the deeper common humanity. Great. Yet at 43:00 she has to insert a standard snotty attack on Trump as an example of “false mattering.”
I’m not crazy about Trump’s abrasiveness and braggadocio, but if you’re an American intellectual concerned about divisions, you might want to pay attention to what Trump represents to roughly half the country which supports him, rather than flip Trump off and let those people go hang because you needed to get in your bit of virtue-signaling about the moral superiority of yourself and your side.
Which sure strikes me as a splendid example of false mattering.
*Shrugs*
The US elects a king to power in District of Columbia, to go with the patriotic goddess Columbia. What else is new.
I didn’t expect much of anything from a king. The king tells the people what to do and what morality means, not the other way around.
It reminds me of various Ancient Hebrew Kings, and the Israeli people getting rid of the Holy One as king of Israel and wanting to become like Babylon and Egypt with their war god kings instead.
How the media treated Bill Clinton immunized Trump against sexual scandals.
That logic fails against Bush II, Mit Romney, and Sarah Palin. No matter what the Left does, it would not have made anyone immune to anything, unless the Left said so.
It is the Alt Right or the REd Pill Movement, that backs Trum on the culture. The culture fight is very important vis a vis the political fight.
That Donald screws around is like telling me that Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon – it’s not exactly news.
Lol. No the news would be the Strange thing that happened on the way to the Moon, and their first press conference, recorded for posterity on Youtube. So NASA didn’t get to erase it the way they did the telemetry Apollo tapes that got “lost” somehow.
I saw a debate William Lane Craig had against Sam Harris. It was like watching almost dead philosophers argue against the power of Genghis Khan and Hitler, while the armies of the latter two surround and enclose Craig…
They were just horrible on rhetoric, although Craig wasn’t too bad on the logic. Humans don’t always respond to logic of course.
These people have long credential lists that doctors and lawyers pay attention to. I do not.
JordanP talks like he has the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
I’m almost certain of it now that I know that JordanP said he had an internal guide/voice telling him what is true or false.
Socrates had the exact same thing. And I’ve also seen it in action.
Concerning Spiritual Gifts
12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit,(A) brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed.(B) 2 You know that when you were pagans,(C) somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols.(D) 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,”(E) and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,”(F) except by the Holy Spirit.(G)
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit(H) distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone(I) it is the same God(J) at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.(K) 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom,(L) to another a message of knowledge(M) by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith(N) by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing(O) by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers,(P) to another prophecy,(Q) to another distinguishing between spirits,(R) to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a](S) and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit,(T) and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.-1 Corinthians
Remember to read ALL of a biblical passage, not just something cherry quote picked out by humans to prop up their human agendas which is a popular past time of pastors…
In some Christian lines and circles, what status you hold under the Godhead or Divine Counsel is based on your own personal claims. I take a slightly different viewpoint. Your status of citizenship in the Kingdom of God is based not on what you proclaim but on what the Godhead or Holy Spirit gives you.
The State gives you a license and approves your citizenship. Same legal framework.
The proof of a prophet/apostle is in their DIVINE POWERS and authorizations, not in their human credentials or claims to atheism or agnosticism.
Thus atheism and agnostics and Christians are the same people to me. There is no difference. You are all humans, and equal in some sense as to title or status. Mortals are mortals, after all, their capacity for wisdom is severely limited by their utter suicidal foolishness. It doesn’t matter how high you think your IQ is. It doesn’t matter how many degrees from Hussein Ivy Leagues you got. It doesn’t matter how many things you have memorized or regurgitated from the human world.
I don’t even have anything against Islamic warriors and jihadists. Freedom of religion means they can serve their god if they want. It has nothing to do with me, unless I need to kill them. Normal people need hate and political justifications to kill people. What a crippling crutch: completely unnecessary.
Yes, Trump has a relatively low bar to cross. How many W.H. interns did he morally and physically sully with viral laden emissions? Has he polluted the Oval office and made its bathroom washbasin a tragic joke? Will we need to consign the carpets and furnishings to the flames, for the sake of hygiene when Trump vacates the premises?
As a matter of fact you could throw Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson into the moral mix. And if you really wanted to become provocative, you could also add a certain famous civil rights leader whose purported Christian faith was worked out – surveillance tapes reported by Time Magazine reveal – with prostitutes, as he loudly proclaimed he was doing them for Jesus.
If God is not mocked, then Hell is overflowing with the once famous and admired; and, their morally cynical enablers and hangers-on.
Craig, though a man of some philosophical acumen, has traditionally been at his best in logically analyzing and deconstructing the arguments of militant atheists and their claims to be able to ground their moral arguments, during debates.
In fact he became so famous for doing this, that many simply refused to debate him; and/or resentfully accuse him of narrowing the questions at issue to a matter of logical consistency.
But of course, if you as an atheist claim that theism is incoherent and has indemonstrable premisses, then you should not resent it too much is a theist is able to demonstrate using references to modus ponens or tollens that you’ve failed to affirm the antecedent or deny the consequent when you purported to draw your demonstrative conclusion; but blundered and reversed the process.
A somewhat different but very well known performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U_NS9WsJ08
By the way, at the risk of making this a threepeat entry of the same link (over the last months), this, performance of Boris Johnson in debate, is one that has left me in awe.
It is everything that a brilliant and compelling and confident high level presentation should be. I had no idea the guy possessed the depth of background or the intellectual and personal qualities to enable such a performance. And I am not sure that I even agree with him.
Greece versus Rome … https://youtu.be/2k448JqQyj8?t=182
Hi,
As you probably realized by now, you accidentally misspoke re the number of “psychologists”.
Craig is a Protestant Christian apologist with a background in philosophy.
I have no idea who Goldstein is.
Apparently she is alarmed by claims of, or even the goals of, “transcendence”; if the term is taken in some non-trivial non-emotive sense approaching a traditional metaphysical understanding.
yes
Gospace Says:
March 9th, 2018 at 5:56 pm
How the media treated Bill Clinton immunized Trump against sexual scandals.
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PowerLine brings up an even earlier, and greater, scandal.
Kennedy’s actions don’t negate Trump’s (whatever they were), but the cover-up and complete acceptance of the Slimey One by Democrats AND Republicans (those who continued to call him esteemed instead of rotten) destroys any claim they might have to a moral high ground.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/03/stormy-daniels-and-ted-kennedy.php
“There have been more disgusting human beings than the Liberal Lion of the Senate, but Kennedy was very near the bottom of the scale. Yet he remained a hero to Democrats until the day he died, forty years after he killed Mary Jo Kopechne. That is what I call a scandal: not only Ted Kennedy’s manslaughter—frankly, a charitable characterization—but the Democratic Party’s decades-long cover-up.
Donald Trump should take no grief for whatever he did years ago with the still-alive, still-flourishing, and reportedly financially better-off Stormy Daniels. If I were Trump, every time a reporter tried to ask me about Daniels, I would respond by talking about Chappaquiddick.”
As I am a small-government, Constitutionalist conservative, I don’t care about other people’s morality. Yeah, if you’re a sleazeball, I’m going to judge you accordingly – I have high standards of right and wrong and how people should behave – but morality is not a public issue nor is it a legal issue, as far as I’m concerned.
I don’t care who screws whom, if everyone involved is consenting and of appropriate age; and law is for protection against the transgression of rights, not for imposing one group’s moral standards.
I used to get annoyed with the far right for trying to inflict their morality on others – in those far-away days when most of my online debate was against people further to the right than I. I’m simply not going to accept it from the hard left, which has spent at least the last 30 or 40 years trying to shock and offend normies by trying to mainstream freaky stuff and making fun of anyone who doesn’t accept it whole. The hard left doesn’t get to pretend to be offended at moral failings, like consenting adults whoring around.
The only ones I will judge poorly if this behavior gets exposed are people who previously judged, or worse, punished others for the same acts – in which case, I am judging them poorly for their blatant hypocrisy rather than the moral failing.
As for Trump, anyone with two brain cells to rub together knew his past was full of this sort of thing. No one is surprised and no one except whichever of his wives he was married to at the time has any right or reason to be upset.
Kyndyll G: Amen
Baklava: Thanks for the link. Peterson powerfully teaches that we humans want our lives to matter. I think the underlying cause of many revolutions was an “elite” telling its inferiors that they did not matter. The deplorables knew better.
In the interval between “I didn’t have sex with that woman” and his admission that yes he had, one of my close friends, a low-information-voter type, predicted it exactly:
“Ninety percent of us assume he did it and already forgave him.”
Trump’s greatest strength is that the media does not get to define him for the LIV. They were watching him on TV for the best part of 15 years and following his life in supermarket magazines for decades before that.
Romney, Ted Cruz, etc and all the other mainstream GOP figures, whether you like them or hate them, none of them have that. The media gets to define who they are to the public. McCain found this the hard way, when he went from being the media’s favorite GOP politician to being a white-supremacist and misogynist. Naturally he failed to learn anything from it.
Readers might be interested to know that Rebecca Newberger Goldstein is married to Steven Pinker.
Ripple:
Yes, I came across that information the other day. They are quite the brainpower couple. She is his third wife, he is her second husband (she married her first when she was 19 years old and was married 30 years or so). They married about ten years ago.
Ripple
“Readers might be interested to know that Rebecca Newberger Goldstein is married to Steven Pinker.”
Neo
“She is his third wife, he is her second husband ”
Well, that ‘splains this. https://youtu.be/xV4oIqnaxlg?t=6991
DNW:
That does explain her seemingly weird reaction of laughter at the quote. She should have explained that Pinker is her spouse, I think, to make it clear why she was laughing. She is correct, though (I’m nearly sure) that the Pinker quote with its question was a rhetorical question and that he didn’t actually agree with the quote. I’m wondering why Craig brought it up that way.
I have to say that I found Craig’s attitude in that entire video (and I had already watched the entire thing) rather odd and patronizing in general. I know a lot of people like him and think highly of him, but that video was my first introduction to him and I did not have a favorable impression. Nor did I have a favorable impression of Goldstein, although I didn’t find her patronizing. I just think didn’t find her statement of her case at all compelling.
Peterson, on the other hand, was great.