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  1. “That’s why we need to think about what else he might have been involved in.”
    I second that motion.
    Maybe it was the Clintons and Fusion GPS that did are responsible. Maybe he was trying to tell Mueller it was they, and not Trump or Trumpsters, that were in it up to their eyebrows.
    Or maybe it has nothing whatsoever to do with these dead Russkies being Russkies.
    Russia, Russia, Putin, Putin. Will this often false litany ever stop? Radio Free Europe is/was OK, but those nasty Russians did stuff on ‘our’ social media about our politics and that’s bad?

  2. I highly recommend the Red Sparrow trilogy. Just finished the last book. Authentic. Excellent.

  3. Skripal’s wife died of cancer in Britain in 2012, his son, 43, died during a visit to St Petersburg last year, and now the father and his daughter are dying. No reason to suspect that Russia is once again visiting retribution on its traitors, then.

    Neo: Maybe, however, the idea for the Russians is to just send the message, “If you turn on us, neither you nor your family will ever be safe, even after we pardon you.”

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    All defectors and such are subject to such ends, and whether it happens usually depends on things we will never know.

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    Another Defector Dead in Washington
    A former member of Putin’s inner circle has died violently and mysteriously in our nation’s capital
    http://observer.com/2016/03/another-defector-dead-in-washington/

    Mikhail Lesin

    Nicknamed “the Bulldozer” for his forceful ways, Lesin brought Russia’s media to heel and kept it on-message with what Putin wanted. As Russia became an increasingly authoritarian country after 1999, media control was a vital part of the formula to keep Russians happy and politically quiet. Most members of the media were willing to be bought off by Lesin, while hold-outs who valued press freedom were dealt with harshly. The lucky ones, intimidated, fled into exile while less the fortunate became martyrs–most infamously the muckraking reporter Anna Politovskaya, a harsh regime critic who was gunned down in her Moscow apartment building on Putin’s birthday.

    [snip]
    Then he turned up dead. His lifeless body was found in his room at the Dupont Circle Hotel on the morning of November 5, 2015. The cause of Lesin’s death at age 58 was not announced by any American officials, though Russian state media said he died of a heart attack, citing unnamed family members. Putin made an official statement thanking the deceased for his media work, and Lesin was buried in Los Angeles.

    ‘Moscow Rules’: Why Russian Defectors Are Fair Game in Britain – and Not in Israel
    Britain’s excellent intelligence services are rarely backed up by their politicians, so Russians on the run continue to die mysteriously
    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-why-russian-defectors-and-dissidents-are-fair-game-in-britain-1.5883876

    In the long history of Moscow-ordered assassinations of Russian defectors on British soil, perhaps the most famous one never happened in real life. It takes place at the beginning of “Smiley’s People,” the final book in John le Carré’s monumental “Karla Trilogy.”

    [snip]

    London and the surrounding counties have been the scene of assassinations of Soviet and Russian defectors, dissidents and rogue oligarchs since the 1920s. Similar killings have of course taken place around the globe, but Britain has had a disproportionate number due to the fact its intelligence services were historically on the forefront of the secret war with the Communist International — which long saw Britain as fertile ground for the next great Bolshevik revolution.

    [snip]

    Britain also preferred not to delve too deeply into other cases in which oligarchs with information on the dealings of Russia’s leadership died mysteriously on its territory, as in the cases of Boris Berezovsky in 2013 and Alexander Perepilichny in 2012.

  4. “Yes, he was shot,” Smiley agreed. “In the face. At extremely close range. With a soft-nosed bullet. And cursorily searched. Had his wallet taken. That is the police diagnosis. But our diagnosis would be different, wouldn’t it, Lauder?”

    “No way,” said Strickland, glowering at him through a cloud of cigarette smoke.

    “Well, mine would.”

    “Then let’s hear it, George,” said Lacon handsomely.

    “The weapon used to kill Vladimir was a standard Moscow Centre assassination device,” Smiley said. “Concealed in a camera, a brief-case, or whatever. A soft-nosed bullet is fired at point-blank range. To obliterate, to punish, and to discourage others.

    –John LeCarre, “Smiley’s People”

  5. Maybe there is some conspiracy double-bluff and the Russians are being blamed unfairly.

    But make no mistake. The NKVD/GRU/KGB/FSB are as brutal and nasty as any secret police/intelligence group humanity has produced.

    And Putin came straight out of the the KGB.

  6. hux-
    I venture to guess the Chicomms and the Iranians are as bad, and the Turks are heading down that same road fast. But Russia gets all the headlines. Why?

  7. I think it would be a bit strange for it to be the Russians. Remember Skripel was one of the spies the US traded for. If the Russians did do this, why would we do prisoner swaps with them in the future? At the very least, we’d increase our demands.

    In any case, I agree with what was said above, no way for us to really know. Just another thing we’ll have to wait on.

  8. The forensics will determine if this requires state-sponsored expertise.

    I rather suspect that it does.

    In which case, which nation?

    Ordinary Joes just can’t lay their hands on such devilish stuff.

    I call your attention to “Devil’s Foot” — by Holmes.

    The more arcane the toxin, the more restrictive the agency.

    In Holmes’ case, the toxin was so weird that the forensics gave it all away. This was one of the earliest accounts in the literature illustrating the extreme power of forensics to find a murderer.

    Since the MSM tells us that the toxin is essentially novel, we can take it to the bank that this is state-sponsored — or is due to some Big Money player corrupting the wet-works squad of the GRU//KGB//FSB.

    We can safely leave out non-European powers, BTW. The victim simply didn’t travel in those circles.

    And the murderer REALLY has a hard-on for this guy.

    That has to be a pretty select crowd, straight off.

  9. The Russian KGB that created the Leftist alliance Weapon of Mass Deception in the US for the end of the Cold War… they weren’t kidding or joking or unserious or a bunch of clowns.

    The hippies looked like a bunch of clowns weed weeding it up while sexual liberating free love trees, because it made you Americans underestimate them.

    The Deep State, also doesn’t play around.

    or is due to some Big Money player corrupting the wet-works squad of the GRU//KGB//FSB.

    A false flag to get people to attack Russia, perhaps.

    The novelty of the poison would be an obvious red flag, whether they intended to broadcast it or whether they intended it to be broadcast to provide a false flag attribution of the origin.

    It’s the same with Uranium One selling US uranium overseas. If it was used against somebody, the traces of the refinement process can be traced somewhat back to where it came from (THE USA).

  10. What they should have used was the US/Nazi derived heart attack medicine that can be deployed by dart or drone. It erases itself within the bloodstream soon afterwards, which creates a nearly undetectable fatality listed by the coroner as “death by heart attack”.

    I recently came across data concerning this experimental weapon.

    The Russians tend to use cruder methods, such as radiation poisoning.

    The Alt Right radical supremacist factions are aligned with the Russian bear. This may also be a poke against them to get a reaction as well. Putin also has the Ark of Gabriel and other ancient super weapons/angel tech. Putin cannot match the US given our conventional supremacy (and there’s all kinds of stuff that is even better than that the US obtained from Operation Paperclip), so PUtin goes for “unconventional counters” to radiation weapons and missiles.

    Putin said so, but it was during a European counsel so Americans were told by the MSM propagandists to ignore it: see nothing, there is nothing.

    So if Putin truly feels under the gun, he is going to activate their stockpiles. Welcome WW3 people. Meanwhile you Americans are going to be fighting Civil War 2, so who is going to stop the world by policing the world? Lucifer is in the End Game now, while the rest of humanity thinks they are playing checkers for fun…

  11. One of the reasons why Snowden went to Russia is because normally the US intel service would be able to get rid of him. But the FSB/kGB conflict makes it hard for US CIA to put agents into Russia.

    Of course, if Snowden runs afoul of the FSB… that’s a different issue.

    The Deep State does not like Snowdens any more than the Russians like defectors like Yuri Bezmenov that tell us exactly what the KGB was doing (something the media refused to tell you Americans).

    The thing is, the Deep State in the US, is a lot more professional and covert. They prefer to eliminate people without a trace (heart attack) rather than sending messages like the Russians prefer.

  12. My understanding is that the victims were subjected to a neurotoxin. You can buy some at your local gardening center. I use the stuff on fire ants and it is extremely effective.

    An organophosphate (sometimes abbreviated OP) or phosphate ester is the general name for esters of phosphoric acid. Organophosphates are the basis of many insecticides, herbicides, and nerve agents.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organophosphate

    Some neurotoxins are naturally occuring: sea snakes, cobras, coral snakes, gila monster and bearded lizards, as well as poison dart frogs. In fact, one can manufacture batrachotoxin, a rather potent variant discovered in frogs.

    So: state actor? maybe. Not necessarily so. Had it been VX or similar agent, that would be point to state action. Yeah, I’m looking at you, Lil’ Kim.

  13. Since the MSM tells us that the toxin is essentially novel, we can take it to the bank that this is state-sponsored – or is due to some Big Money player corrupting the wet-works squad of the GRU//KGB//FSB.

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    no, there is a special agency for that which was resurected, i mentioned it here years ago, trying to get you guys to follwo things so when today happens, you would not sit there not knowing… duh

    its one of the very few posts neo did not cut too much

    KAMERA

    July 21st, 2017
    Obama and Trump: the wild MSM pendulum swing

    arfldgrs Says: July 21st, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    that was the LAST attempt, THREE years before that i tried:

    October 6th, 2014
    The world is full of wonders: behold, the mosquito

    Artfldgr Says:
    October 7th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    And two years before that i tried:
    June 18th, 2012
    Juliet Poynz, changer?

    artfldgr Says:
    June 18th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    IF anyone bothered to read this, instead of neo saying they do, when i know they dont, they would have no misuse of terms which you uys are cutting apart like the way BS looks to a person in the know

    Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_laboratory_of_the_Soviet_secret_services
    Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services, alternatively known as Laboratory 1, Laboratory 12, and Kamera which means “The Chamber” in Russian, was a covert research and development facility of the Soviet secret police agencies Currently: Several laboratories of the SVR, (headquartered in Yasenevo near Moscow), are responsible for the “creation of biological and toxin weapons for clandestine operations in the West”

    neo was going through changers (purposefully ignoring evry changer i ever put up that would lead to more knowing rather than less)…

    Juliet Stuart Poyntz who was originally Juliet Glazer

    Testimony by former Soviet agent Whittaker Chambers tied Poyntz’ disappearance to the shadowy Soviet Comintern agent Josef Peters

    former Deputy Director of Biopreparat Ken Alibek, this laboratory was possibly involved in the design of an undetectable chemical or biological agent to assassinate Gamsakhurdia

    oh… but now someone is poisoned and neo wants to talk about it.
    ok… now, what did we learn about this prior to today?

    Chambers later stated that he heard Poyntz had been killed for attempted desertion, and this rumor contributed to his caution when he defected in 1938.

    wait.. they also killed Willi Munsenberg.. and the Accountant for the Pope… and and and.. i was listing them out like crazy… even that they switched from thorium to polonium!

    these were not KGB defectors these were GRU

    According to Oleg Kalugin, “the Soviet intelligence was really unparalleled. … The KGB programs – which would run all sorts of congresses, peace congresses, youth congresses, festivals, women’s movements, trade union movements, campaigns against U.S. missiles in Europe, campaigns against neutron weapons, allegations that AIDS… was invented by the CIA… all sorts of forgeries and faked material – [were] targeted at politicians, the academic community, at the public at large.”

  14. so i have given you a clue…
    here is the thread to follow…

    Gamsakhurdia & Skripal

    Georgian Penitentiary Agency Denies Poisoning of Gamsakhurdia’s Son

    and what happend to Skripal son?
    “It looks likely that his wife was murdered a year or so ago. His son was also murdered in 2017.”

    one of the original things of the soviet organs, that even the mafia would not do, was go after families… torture family members. in fact, that was a way to control people when they came to the USa… to defect they either had no family (like most) took the small family they had with them exfiltrated, or never did becauxe of what happens to them.

    Expelled Scientist Sutyagin Has No Contact With Family So Far – Interfax
    Monday July 12, 2010 10:10:53 GMT
    MOSCOW. July 12 (Interfax) – The family of convicted scientist Igor Sutyagin, one of the four people swapped for ten Russians arrested in the United States on suspicion of espionage, expects him to get in touch with them after he receives a British residence permit.

    [snip]

    It was reported earlier that that Russian President Dmitry Medvedev pardoned Sutyagin and Sergei Skripal, a retired colonel of the Russian military intelligence service (GRU).

    They along with two other convicts were taken to Vienna, from where Sutyagin was flown to the United Kingdom.

    Sutyagin, who formerly headed the military-technological and military-economic policy sector within the foreign political research department at the Russian Academy of Sciences’ Institute for U.S. and Canada Studies, was found guilty of high treason through spying and sentenced to 15 years in a high security penitentiary by the Moscow City Court in April 2004

    why not look up the others?

    The agents were deported without the right of return and exchanged in Vienna for four other convicted Russian citizens: Aleksandr Zaporozhskiy, Gennadiy Vasilenko, Sergey Skripal, and Igor Sutyagin.

    They had not been able to prove that Vasilenko worked for the Americans when he was employed by the First Main Directorate (PGU) of the Soviet KGB (now the SVR), and he was later imprisoned for highly unlikely firearms possession.

    Sutyagin was definitely not a spy. At the RAN (Russian Academy of Sciences) Institute of the USA and Canada, working from open sources, he wrote analytical reports on Russia’s nuclear potential on contract for an English consulting firm, Alternative Futures, which apparently was a cover for American military intelligence (DIA).

    SVR Colonel Zaporozhskiy and Military Intelligence (GRU GSh (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate)) Colonel Skripal had real access to critical information and more than likely did work for the United States and Britain, respectively.

    Actually, to our special services and political leadership, all four are traitors.
    MOSCOW, July 13 (Itar-Tass), 2010

  15. People still buy into Russian propaganda here. Mention that KGB was behind the anti war protests of Vietnam, and people here and elsewhere will pop up countering it with ridicule because “they knew better”.

    Americans only know about as much as the MSM propaganda and Deep State lets them know…

  16. A security consultant who has worked for the company that compiled the controversial dossier on Donald Trump was close to the Russian double agent poisoned last weekend, it has been claimed.

    The consultant, who The Telegraph is declining to identify, lived close to Col Skripal and is understood to have known him for some time.

    Col Skripal, who is in intensive care and fighting for his life after an assassination attempt on Sunday, was recruited by MI6 when he worked for the British embassy in Estonia, according to the FSB, the Russian intelligence agency.

  17. Ymar Sakar, worse, they often think that if they were in europe during WWII, they knew everything that went on in the theater… and this from an enlisted army 2nd class…

  18. It simply makes no sense for the Russians to kill someone that was involved in a prisoner exchange. If they did, that sends a message not only to potential spies but also to the British and American governments.

    We won’t be doing exchanges with them in the future it we think they’re going to cheat us. The Russians know this. So they either didn’t do it or had a damned good reason for doing so.

  19. art:

    How many WWII vets have you actually known? You are blowing smoke on that one. Stick to what you know.

  20. I figure the only reason to use a fancy chem warfare substance would be if you want someone to know it is a state actor.

    OR, at least you want someone to believe it was one of them.

    Surely, there are more “accidental” methods available to State agencies if they really want to disguise a murder effectively.

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