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  1. If your memory is playing tricks on you neo, then I too suffer from the same affliction.

    The reason why so many on the left are not disturbed is because for such as they, politics does NOT stop “at the water’s edge”. Nor is that surprising, since they agree with George Soros that, “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States”.

    No, if the parties were reversed, there would be massive outrage on the right. As, a political party ‘weaponizing’ the premier investigative and justice agencies is a direct attempt at a ‘soft coup’ and a mortal threat to our representative democracy.

    We support the right of those on the left to disagree, we simply expect them to abide by the Constitution. Whereas, the Left seeks to gut the Constitution, viewing it as an impediment to their agenda.

    Since the FISA court rejects and/or ‘modifies’ only 1.5% of the fed’s applications, it effectively acts as a rubber stamp. It’s a virtual certainty that relevant information was withheld and that the presiding judge(s) had the curiosity of a dead cat.

    IMO, the problem goes far beyond “what the FBI knew and when they knew it, and what their motive was for deciding to go ahead and seek the warrant anyway.”

    The real problem is the half of America who believe that the destruction of a non-politically correct America is preferable to the continuance of America as a bastion of liberty.

    Liberty and political correctness are antithetical.

  2. Adam Schiff’s predictions of intergalactic collapse were the memo to be released constitute the first and deranged shriek of “Wolf” by the little boy. As Nunes, Jordan, Grassley and others dig deeper, the little boy will shriek again, but each time fewer and fewer people will pay any heed. I think we’ll get to the bottom of this, and I think this, and the disclosures yet to come, will help President Trump and the Republicans in the fall.

  3. A good judge would have asked the DoJ who the political party was that paid for it if that is how the application really worded the origin story.

    This is easy to answer- the applications are still in the SCIF, and Gowdy can still go look at them to reconfirm things, as can Schiff himself. I think we will eventually see the applications in a redacted form that will not hide what origins were described in the document, and Congress can subpoena the judges who approved them, and can subpoena the court transcripts, though this would initially be in closed session. There are tons of questions to ask, and tons of people who can take an oath and answer them. Congress is going to be very busy with oversight the rest of this term.

  4. The never ending battle between God vs devil, good vs evil, light vsdark, yin vs yan, republicans vs democrats, capitalism vs socialism, logic vs emotion, liberty vs equality… evil will always exist because the following paradox, the liberty the good people champion will always leave room for evil people to exploit and grow. when good guys are in charge they will never take away the freedom for people to choose to become evil. Evil has the ability to completely wipe out good because they have ruthlessness to do so, but there will always be room in a free world for evilness to grow. The moment the good guys ponder about being proactive and adopt measures that limit people freedom to prevent evil from happening in the future they are fallen and become the bad guys…

  5. Yancey – Nunes delegated the review of the FISA Applications to Gowdy because he is a lawyer and would pick up on more points.

    The one point that bugs me is that there was the original application and 3 extensions so that the order was in effect for 360 days – well in to Trump’s first year. It seems that we have been reading about the Steele document for a long time, so don’t the judges listen to the news – why didn’t the judge ask more questions?

    Remember how Trump tweeted about his offices being wiretapped? I saw an article that mentioned that Obama’s NSA Director Mike Rogers met with Trump in NY and was quickly canned by Obama. Trump also moved interviews to one of his own places. I looked for a link, but found a different one that is dated from March 2017.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/03/occams-razor-did-nsa-admiral-mike-rogers-warn-trump-on-november-17th-2016/

    The memo became clearer when I wrote out a time line with date, what happened and who was involved. I’m missing some points of when the person really found out and who they may have discussed or reported their opinions. I wonder if the Rs on the committee did a complete timeline and had it available for others to see. I suspect they gave people more information than what is in the memo because of the very strong opinions of everyone who read it.

    It will be interesting to read memo #2, 3, etc.

  6. The memo is a scathing indictment of government power centers, viz. FISA and FBI, operating in secret and in contravention to the Constitution.
    FISA is the product of Ted Kennedy’s office? The Grubers were at work then, passing him work product. They’ve been working for a long time, deluding, deceiving, dishonoring.
    Who’da thought Mr Chappaquidick would be driving government secrecy disguised in the cloak of law?

  7. Yancey Ward Says:
    February 3rd, 2018 at 6:59 pm
    A good judge would have asked the DoJ who the political party was that paid for it if that is how the application really worded the origin story.

    This is easy to answer- the applications are still in the SCIF, and Gowdy can still go look at them to reconfirm things, as can Schiff himself.
    * * *
    After the Democrats have their inning (memo)*, I hope the GOP comes back to bat with some of this.
    Maybe they are running O’Keefe’s playbook of letting out a little until the Left runs up their counter-story, then releasing the evidence to demolish it.

    h/t imagery from Jim
    http://neoneocon.com/2018/02/02/and-the-incredibly-fair-and-unbiased-james-comey/#comment-2362356

  8. Geoffrey Britain Says:
    February 3rd, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    Since the FISA court rejects and/or ‘modifies’ only 1.5% of the fed’s applications, it effectively acts as a rubber stamp. It’s a virtual certainty that relevant information was withheld and that the presiding judge(s) had the curiosity of a dead cat.
    * * *
    On yesterday’s threads someone pointed to the Wikipedia article on the FISC, which I read.
    Apparently, applications can be submitted in some kind of draft mode, then modified until they meet the judges approval, after which they are then approved, so that’s not really rubber-stamping in the conventional sense of the term.
    The frequency and degree of mods might be disputable, however.
    In those circumstances, for an application to NEVER be approved would be pretty serious.

  9. People can and will quibble endlessly about how much sourcing info the FISA warrant petitioner is required to give. But, did they absolutely know that Steele was the source for the Isikoff YahooNews article. If yes, then they lied to the FISC by calling the article independent corroboration.

    Liz makes the excellent point that all of this stuff is quite old now. For example, some of the basic findings in the Nunes memo probably have been known to many or most within the intelligence community for 6 months or so. Has the FISC taken any action in response or were they ignorant till now? Will FISC just blow this all off, unless there is a big stink in the MSM? The latter will likely never happen

  10. TommyJay Says:
    February 4th, 2018 at 12:03 am
    People can and will quibble endlessly about how much sourcing info the FISA warrant petitioner is required to give. But, did they absolutely know that Steele was the source for the Isikoff YahooNews article. If yes, then they lied to the FISC by calling the article independent corroboration.
    * * *
    The memo IIRC says that the FBI didn’t know that the Yahoo article was sourced by Steele.
    Which means they are knaves (lied) or fools (what, the FBI doesn’t independently corroborate its “evidence”? Even the TV cop shows know better than that).

  11. Very, very troubling is that Gowdy will not run for re-election.
    Decision is likely based on his frustration with the lethargy of reform processes.
    The Congressional Democrats are loathesome creatures of the night, and the country needs valiant warriors to defend against them.
    The most loathesome are women: Pelosi, Maxine Waters and Shirley Jackson Lee among them. Why is that?

  12. Everybody was and is looking for a nuke that will wipe out everything. What this memo is is a small charge at the base of the dam. Now that it has gone off, everyone is disappointed. It might be to small or poorly placed, but it might open up just enough to let nature take her course and breach the dam.

    The common theme is the memo was released on Friday, and before the Super Bowl, because it was a nothingburger. Alternatively, I believe it needs to marinate. It needs slow consideration. And its importance is more visible to those with legal training/experience.

    But as Trey Gowdy has said, the FISA warrant problems do not materially impact the Mueller investigation. Although, I would expect it will require much more attention to dotting the “i”s and crossing the “t”s.

  13. The Congressional Democrats are loathesome creatures of the night, and the country needs valiant warriors to defend against them.

    The more you fight the Leftist alliance by adopting their methods as legitimate, instead of killing evil, the more you will become the same as them, guaranteed.

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