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  1. Is Frost winking at us in his choice of title? At least, the title seems a bit perplexing, insofar as Jefferson (notably) among the founders was one of the quickest to embrace novelty as a good or as a potential with promise to good.

    So arises the question whether “for Jefferson” is either on the one hand intended to indicate a positive contrast to the reductio ad absurdum presented in the body of the poem, or, on the other, a simple irony meant to prick at us with a milder and accidentally happier representative form of that reductio?

  2. Thank you for the essay and link, Neo. I’m going to read the entire essay.

    I always wondered about the header image at the top of your blog. Now, I know!

    The theological nature of Marxism – as a secular replacement for traditional religion(s) – is the focus of Alain Besancon’s book “The Falsification of the Good.

  3. @sdferr – I had the same thought, but I also consider his alternatives. “Washington” is now strongly associated as a place. Madison is less of an incantation (unless one comes from Virginia). Adams might work. Franklin was a founder but not a president, might give off an association of “scientist,” which doesn’t fit the poem, and as a Deist might have seemed just a touch suspect.

    And yes, he may be going so deep as to be suggesting “A case for Jefferson to consider, illustrating the possible bad outcomes of his admiration for revolution.”

  4. Openly, Assistant Village Idiot, no consideration of any alternative (to Jefferson) happened to come to me. Whether that’s on account of my own habit to take the poets as knowing what it is they are about, and, so to assume that they are choosing with sufficient perfection as to be far beyond my own capacities to choose for them, or on account of some other thing? I dunno. But I didn’t. My problem then is to figure out what it is that they are choosing.

    Still, Jefferson seems like as good a fit as I can conjure, once I start to think any alternatives over. I mean, failed farmer or not, Jefferson was of an agrarian bent. Franklin: too urban as to that. Association with science I’d not take as a black mark, in contradistinction to any and all associations with scientism. And Jefferson was powerfully poetic too — in his own way — what with the soaring words of his political rhetoric; in addition, a southerner and no Puritan of any sort.

    Patrick Henry, maybe? But I dunno, I just don’t have the capacity thataway. And besides, first I’d still have to know what Frost is up to, and I’m not there yet.

  5. “Frost attributed the political wisdom of dividing and balancing political power against itself to the religious orthodoxy of the Founding Fathers. They knew that only God had or should have absolute power, and their religion taught them that the moral and intellectual weaknesses of man required putting bounds to political power.”

    Before the left hijacked the education system, the connection between the freedoms and progress of Western Civilization and traditional Western religion, AKA as Christianity, was widely recognized. The state of Israel has demonstrated that modern Judaism is also compatible with the freedoms of Western civilization. While the Hindus didn’t originate those forms of government they have made great progress in their own modern society.

  6. It may be error on my part to place too great a weight upon the possibility that Frost is being ironical in his title. However, there is something of paradox which ineluctably attaches to Jefferson, and from this situation, I feel, we’re all bound to a small peril when we cite or consider his name. Leastwise, we can consider it.

  7. sdferr:

    With Frost, things were rarely completely straightforward, obvious, or simple (although people often thought they were). He often has double or triple meanings, which contain opposites, contradictions,and ironies.

    Very complex thinker.

  8. OM:

    Yes.

    I might even write a post about it. But the very short version is that I think it’s absurd, but I think quite a few of the Nobel Prizes for Literature have been absurd, so it’s just absurd in a different way.

    And I like Bob Dylan. But great literature? Nope.

    If you’re going to give a songwriter a Nobel for literature, give it to Leonard Cohen.

  9. Neo:

    Andrew Klavan’s opening spot today made the point regarding the depths in Milton’s Paradise Lost (fall of Satan) and “It aint me babe” as an example. But I’m not familiar with much of Dylan’s work.

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