Gary Johnson gets an endorsement
The Detroit News is a Republican paper. Today the editors write:
Today this newspaper does something it has never done in its 143-year history: endorse someone other than the Republican candidate in a presidential contest.
Since its founding in 1873, The Detroit News has backed a Republican every time it has made a presidential endorsement (three times we have sat on the sidelines ”” twice during the Franklin Roosevelt elections and in the 2004 Bush/Kerry contest).
We abandon that long and estimable tradition this year for one reason: Donald J. Trump.
They go on to endorse Johnson.
Ah yes, the dead enders find themselves in a dead end.
And the Trump backers have become Yellow Dog Republicans.
I wonder if they have taken a long, hard look at Johnson. I like Libertarian principles of small government and fiscal responsibility, but Johnson has a bedrock belief in, maybe not an isolationist foreign policy, but certainly something similar to Obama’s policy of “Walking stickly and carrying a big soft.”
Johnson is very likable, probably more honest than Trump or Hillary, and I think he would be very good a Secretary of the Treasury or head of the IRS. C-in-C, not so much.
If we could articulate (or better yet trump could) his foreign policy as a coherent package, then we might have a basis to compare with Johnson’s “isolationist foreign policy”.
But this hits at the core of what makes trump an awful candidate.
Put in the frame of all the things that make both trump and clinton awful, Johnson looks saintly. And, both he and his mate Weld have each two terms as governors, operating largely as small government moderate Republicans.
With a downticket GOP to retain dominance in Congress, that would be a decent combo.
Perhaps a decent combo, but one that is literally impossible to get to.
It increasingly appears the Republican Party is in full on suicide mode. As Trump would say, “Sad!”
If there is any institution with the wherewithal to persuade, it is a newspaper. It can through time make cogent arguments that the reader can examine at their leisure. It provides the time needed to reflect upon the arguments made and to confirm the accuracy of any assertions.
Given the state of Detroit and its history of democrat dominance, The Detroit News has utterly failed to persuade and now, in endorsing Johnson it is doing its ineffectual best to assist in Clinton’s election. But… it must be admitted that they are entirely consistent in their dysfunction.
The GOP may be kaput as a major party. If so mission accomplished, congratulations djt.
How appalling!
With the long history of newspaper endorsements being so crucial to the success of a candidate – you know, holding of breaths until the big announcement, etc. – we should all be saddened that Trump failed to get this important endorsement. Keep us informed as to the steps they plan to take as his campaign deals with this crisis. /S
Detroit News: “…three times we have sat on the sidelines – twice during the Franklin Roosevelt elections [!!] and in the 2004 Bush/Kerry contest…”
Think about that statement. Neo says: “The Detroit News is a Republican paper.” They couldn’t choose between Bush/Kerry!
Ah yes… Gary Johnson..,
Let’s review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhR41lsEJY
Agreed, notherbob.
Newspaper endorsements are of no significance in this day and age. Given the intense skepticism, even hostility, Trump’s supporters have towards the MSM, this might actually help him. In any case, it does no harm.
But the honor and reputation of the editors is at stake!
Personal reputation and (preferably) social advancement is much more important than the entirely predictable (and some unpredictable, too horrible to be imagined, but unavoidable) consequences of electing Hillary Clinton to the presidency.
Priorities!
If Trump is too icky for you because he sucks at fielding biased questions based on non-factual presumptions while fending off irrelevant personal attacks you should definitely feel comfortable voting for the guy who’s so serious about his candidacy that he does not know the names of world leaders or the significance of Aleppo. He’s stoned and he doesn’t care but he does serve well as a virtue signal. Voting for Gary Johnson has all the significance of changing your Facebook avatar to indicate your heartfelt FB solidarity with a nation or region that has been subject to terrorism.
SAD FACE!!!
Bad timing considering GJ’s brain freeze regarding foreign leaders at Chris Matthews townhall. I guess Gary was out tending the weed garden again. He is only a protest vote.
Amartel:
here is your man of destiny:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3G80CUlSEsc/VLJBewaQuaI/AAAAAAAAAqk/8s78CpNIHDo/s1600/Sir%2BOswald%2BMosley%2B2.jpg. Feel better? 🙂
Nope.
I decline to be responsible for your personal projection.
Johnsons endorsements include papers in Richmond Virginia and the arch conservative Manchester Union Leader in New Hampshire. The Richmond paper noted that Johnson had an apparently normal ego. I agree. I may not agree with all the libertarian positions but he is a normal, honest human being. A huuuge plus in my book
W. was too icky for them, too. Those fine fellows at the Detroit News. Circulation: 141,668.
Geoffrey Britain Says:
September 29th, 2016 at 3:06 pm
What that endorsement is actually worth …
And by all means, if you like the open border illegal alien situation now, vote your principles and vote Johnson. You will get more of it if he is elected, and more of it if he is not, and Hillary is.
” AMartel Says:
September 29th, 2016 at 5:15 pm
W. was too icky for them, too. Those fine fellows at the Detroit News. Circulation: 141,668.”
Yeah, that’s what they say … news stand copies on a big day.
The Republican party is no longer a conservative party and has taken on Trump’s personality and values.
I know newspaper endorsements don’t mean much but good for them.
I’m not voting for Trump. Not because he’s icky or whatever other dumb charge you want to make. It’s because he is unqualified for the office and needs to kept a million miles away from that kind of power. A man that petty, vindictive, narsissistic, dishonest, cruel and banal should never be given his own military, executive branch and nuclear arsenal.
The fact that most of the Trump voters here admittedly are voting for someone who they know is a disaster and are appealing to the rest of us to jettison our convictions, principles and honor lIke used gum simply (and only) because “he’s not her” is, as Trump might say, sad!
I think you should vote your convictions.
Some of us have simply extrapolated from Hillary’s past public record of official malfeasance, corruption, lawlessness and totalitarian social impulses, to a post election future of continued Administrative malfeasance, corruption, and persecutory lawlessness in pursuit of effecting a totalitarian political agenda, if she is elected.
Your view is that allowing that is preferable to risking a Trump alternative.
My view is that almost anything is preferable to the slavish and degraded future Hillary has in store for Americans, as part of her warped vision, and bad, evil even, character.
Almost anything is preferable, but “almost” is never qualified, so essentially anything is better than HRC. As long as anything is DJT. He’s not her is what it boils down to. Convictions. /S
“Bad timing considering GJ’s brain freeze regarding foreign leaders at Chris Matthews townhall.” KLSmith
Tonight on ABC, they covered that gaffe and then showed Hillary being asked the same question. Once she closed her mouth, which she had held widely open for no discernible reason while being asked about Johnson, she stated that her favorite foreign leader is Germany’s Angela Merkel.
Arguably the world leader most dedicated to destroying Europe.
Surprisingly, ABC made no mention of Merkel’s mendacity…
“The GOP may be kaput as a major party. If so mission accomplished, congratulations djt.” parker
Just yesterday you agreed that the election of Romney, though greatly preferable to Obama’s election, would have simply amounted to a slower march to the collective. Which leads me to wonder at what you’re mourning…
DNW,
They are rejecting the con man, while ignoring the serial killer.
Bill,
There’s a substantial amount of evidence that the Republican party hasn’t been a conservative party since Reagan.
“The fact that most of the Trump voters here admittedly are voting for someone who they know is a disaster and are appealing to the rest of us to jettison our convictions, principles and honor like used gum”
It isn’t your convictions, principles and honor we wish you to reject, it is the far greater threat to them that we wish you to recognize.
Some respond that Trump might be the greater threat. Perhaps that would eventuate but to also deny that Hillary or Kaine would not drive a stake through the constitution’s heart (constitutional governance can survive another 4-8 yrs) is to call possibility (Trump’s possible tyranny), certainty and certainty (the Left’s cultural and political momentum), possibility.
“Some of us have simply extrapolated from Hillary’s past public record” – DNW
Yes we know – “Flight 93” and all that.
“My view is that almost anything is preferable to the slavish and degraded future Hillary”
Right. We know there is no limit in opposition to clinton.
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If the argument would be somewhat closer to the reality vs the hyperbole, and that the alternative had a positive case to sell vs the negative “not clinton” case (as essentially the only offered reason to take on such a risky choice itself), then maybe we’d be somewhere.
Fact is, it is in the hands of the undecideds. They are not falling for the hyperbole, be it left or right – by definition.
It comes down to assessing downside risk vs corruption.
People already know clinton is rotten. It is trump they don’t know as a politician (not as a TV star).
It is no accident that trump with a teleprompter and less stream of consciousness seen him move up in the polls. But, crap like his debate performance shows him for the risk he actually is.
trump looks to be the one who is losing the election vs clinton winning.
Yes OM, it is that simple and it does boil down to that.
Trump’s road may indeed lead to disaster. Hillary’s road will lead to disaster. Hillary’s road is certain because of the forces that stand behind her.
Yes, the choice sucks. That you basically assert that a lack of qualification of one possible threat (how can you qualify the unknown?) obviates the certainty of the other threat, can after all this time only be due to willful blindness. You would allow the serial killer into your home because the burglar might be a killer too.
Big Maq,
“If the argument would be somewhat closer to the reality vs the hyperbole”
Though I strongly believe otherwise, reality may be as you believe. What if you’re wrong? If we are wrong, we must confess to being foolish. But there are worse things than playing the fool, for if you are wrong, your world collapses.
“and that the alternative had a positive case to sell”
“If wishes were horses we’d all ride to the faire” W.S.
“vs the negative “not clinton” case (as essentially the only offered reason to take on such a risky choice itself)”
Since that is the choice, reality demands we accept it.
“then maybe we’d be somewhere.”
“Put your wishes in one hand and spit in the other… and then see which you have more of”… unknown
Why do I get the “vibration” from this and other of his comments that Bill is a Clinton troll?
“…he is unqualified for the office and needs to kept a million miles away from that kind of power. A man that
petty,
vindictive,
narsissistic,
dishonest,
cruel and
banal
should never be given his own
military,
executive branch and
nuclear arsenal.
… The fact that most of the Trump voters here admittedly are voting for someone who they know is a disaster and are appealing to the rest of us to jettison our
convictions,
principles and
honor
lIke used gum
simply (and only) because
“he’s not her”
is, as Trump might say, sad!”
A few too many adjectives (every one on the DNC journolist) plus “most” Trump voters are not only aware that Trump is a disaster, but …
The summary of the reasons given by Trump supporters for voting for Trump is only that he is not her. Yes, that is the main reason, but only?
Maybe just the result of too much repetition and overrefining in a normal commenter – I don’t know his history here – but, like I say, a bad vibe. –
It is as simple as Trump can do nothing that would disqualify himself in the minds of his “reluctant” and non-reluctant supporters because Hillary is viewed as Satan in human form (although the human form is questioned too). So it goes.
Trump can propose economic policies and programs that are no better than Hillary and BHO and the excuse is made that maybe economic laws no longer apply. Bizarre.
Trump’s flirting with the Alt-right and employing alt-righters causes no serious alarms it would appear, either.
Convictions to freedom and liberty? Optional for now it seems.
Some additional background on some of Trump’s fellow travelers:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/9441/actual-conservatives-guide-alt-right-8-things-you-michael-knowles
notherbob2
If you want to believe I’m a Clinton troll be my guest. I’m not, and have voted straight republican in every election since 1984.
I won’t be voting for Clinton either.
I believe Trump will probably win, btw.
“A few too many adjectives (every one on the DNC journolist) “
Now you have me intrigued. Is this really true? I don’t read the DNC journolist (whatever that is). I’ve never, until this election at least, been accused of being a liberal.
Finally – when I said that the only reason Trump supporters give is only because he’s not her, I qualified that statement by saying “most” of the Trump Supporters “here” (meaning in Neo’s comments threads) say this. Not all Trump supporters, just most of the ones (not all even) here. I realize there are plenty of people out there who think Trump is awesome.
Interesting article, OM
The rise of Trumpism means more power to alt-right goons and that scares the cr@p out of me.
One thing you left off your list is Trump’s bromance with Putin (and the capitulation of formerly “conservative” media and political pundits who have joined him) and his often expressed admiration for various dictators around the world.
These are reasons I don’t think Trump is a safe choice or a reliable, 100% guaranteed bet to be better than HRC.
I used to do software development for a commodity trading floor. There was a lot of attention paid to risk and we developed value at risk models (covariance, monte-carlo, etc) to measure risk to 95% degree confidence, 98% confidence, etc.
Then the Enron debacle happened. It represented risk out on the tails, taking down whole companies. Our models did not predict that.
It’s always interesting to me the way people talk about the stock market, etc. as if it’s a sure thing (I remember someone in the late nineties on some comment thread – or whatever we had back then 🙂 – talking about the “guaranteed” 20% gains to be made year after year in the market. Someone who actually knew something about risk rightly called them a fool.
I say all that to say this: Trump represents a highly volatile risk (with, in my opinion, FAR more downside than upside). HRC is awful too, although I think far more predictable and – if we had a healthy and thinking conservative movement in place anymore – very stoppable. Trump represents something we’ve never seen and I don’t understand all the assertions that he has to be better than HRC. This dude could start a nuclear war, or crash the world economic system. His ideas on foreign policy and economics, where he even has any, are chaotic and all over the map.
Trying to be cute are you? I made the calculated risk argument, and in some detail. well before that was ever published. As did, demonstrably many others commenting here.
Got a mouse in your pocket? Or, have you just been anointed the Queen?
You know no such thing. Funny though, how you continually recite this proposition while evading the implications for yourself when it comes to what you are willing to tolerate in order to avoid Trump.
And as the litany of Hillary’s past subversion of law and crimes, and likely no-limits future potential for successful subversion and constitutional crimes, is well known, one can justly conclude that those constitutional crimes and subversion of the law, is a price you are willing to pay in order to keep Trump out.
In fact if you specifically asked anyone what their limits are they are willing to accept in the calculation, instead of whining that they have not declared them, they would probably tell you.
For example if Trump were found out to be the incarnation of Satan or the Anti-Christ; or if he would be certain get the Democrats on board with some Cesarian ambition (as Hillary will) they would undoubtedly say: No.
On the other hand if it were something like the social collapse of several American cities, or even states, as the price of a sure restoration of Constitutional governance, then I think it would be a hypothetical limit easily disregarded.
I care more about preserving my heritage of freedom even as a long shot proposition, than I do about your good feelings and solidarity, if that is any help to you.
So to put a spike through the head of the head of the individual shared responsibility law, I would be willing to see a great deal of social disruption and hard feelings of the part of the client class … though in fact it would never come to that in practice.
Here’s the last sentence from the article OM posted.
“The Alternative Right asks conservatives to trade God for racial identity, liberty for strongman statism, and the unique American idea that “all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” for a cartoon Nazi frog.”
This x infinity.
It’s devastating that so many conservatives are buying it!
GB,
I am not really mourning, although there was the possibility of turning the GOP far more conservative. Now people like me face the task of building a real conservative party from the bottom up. IMO, there may not be enough time to do so before what I expect to witness in the not too distant future.
Bill:
“I won’t be voting for Clinton either.”
In WWII the 101st Airborne used a password “Rizzuto” with the correct response being: “shortstop”. If the requester was still not sure he could then ask: Team? (Yankees), tall or short (short) or other followup question just in case the suspected German had overheard the basic exchange and was simply repeating it.
So, if you are not voting for Hillary, would you mind giving us a couple of your main reasons for not voting for her?
Officially there is no such thing (now) as the journolist. It was once official and contained the list of talking points the preparer was pushing at the time and it was emailed to all cooperating liberal “journalists” who signed up for the list. That way they could all say the same thing the same way and it would enhance the impression on the reader that what was being said must be the truth.
I used “DNC journolist” meaning the list that would exist if the “journolist” were still in effect and the DNC were preparing the input. Some people, including me, believe that such a list does still exist, but in a form that gives “journalists” now using it plausible deniability if they get caught.
notherbob2
Sure.
I think Hillary has a lot of really bad ideas. Hillarycare during Bill’s first term was an awful idea that I was glad to see die. She also infuriated me by putting down stay at home moms like my lovely wife. Her “takes a village” ideas are scary (I remember for awhile she was floating the idea of government workers stopping by homes to check on how people were raising their kids)
I am pro life. I find her views on abortion to be abhorrent.
Her public abuse of the women her husband sexually abused is terrible
She’s a feminist who is where she is because of her husband. Hypocritical
She’s a terrible politician (Bill was far better) and really unlikable
I think she botched a whole lot of things as secretary of state. Libya, for instance. BenghazI was a horrible screw up but her standing by the coffins and telling grieving parents “we’re going to get the guy who made that video” was almost worse brcause it was pre-meditated. It means she doesn’t have a conscience.
She should be in jail for her mishandling of government secrets.
She believes goveenment is the anewer to everything
She lies a lot and makes up ridiculous stories to make herself look brave and noble, such as the idea that she was under sniper fire in Bosnia.
Going way back, I think she abused her husband’s influence as governor and made a fortune on cattle futures by having the broker put all the good trades on her books.
I could go on.
P.S. all you had to do was ask. I didn’t do that to prove my conservative bona fides. I don’t care if you think I’m a DNC troll or spy.
Bill: “A man that petty, vindictive, narsissistic, dishonest, cruel and banal should never be given his own military, executive branch and nuclear arsenal.”
Change man to woman and strike narcissistic – you have a good description of Hillary.
Hillary WILL appoint left leaning judges and she will have one SOTUS appointment for sure and probably more. That one issue is key for me.
That Trump might not do any of the things he campaigns on is a risk I’m willing to take. Just for the chance that he will appoint conservative justices.
Make that SCOTUS.
Voting for Johnson is still the third most ridiculous idea I’ve heard for this election.
Bill:
Guess I need to get my “vibes” checked. Thank you, you may pass.
OM,
“It is as simple as Trump can do nothing that would disqualify himself in the minds of his “reluctant” and non-reluctant supporters because Hillary is viewed as Satan in human form”
Can do nothing? He’s already done plenty to prove that he’s disqualified for the office. Disqualified isn’t however proof that he’d do worse than Hillary.
Who has repeatedly demonstrated her allegiance to an ideology that abhors individual liberty.
So maybe he’ll do as bad or even worse but rejecting the chance that he won’t be as bad or worse is digging liberty’s grave. Simply because 25 million new “undocumented” democrats is demographically… unstoppable.
And under Hillary that IS a certainty because the GOPe wants it as much as the democrats, which makes it a future fait accompli when the President wants it too.
OM,
I think you know I loath djt, but I am beyond loathing hrc. In polite company I will not type the depths of my low opinion of hrc. However, if there is good chance djt could win Iowa’s 7 EC votes I will vote for the blowhard. Otherwise I will vote for GJ.
Bill,
“The rise of Trumpism means more power to alt-right goons and that scares the cr@p out of me.”
It should scare all of us but history demonstrates that when the left assumes power, it doesn’t just kill even more people than the right but tries to claim everyone’s soul. I can’t imagine why that wouldn’t scare anyone a hell of a lot more.
Bill,
“Here’s the last sentence from the article OM posted.
“The Alternative Right asks conservatives to trade God for racial identity, liberty for strongman statism, and the unique American idea that “all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” for a cartoon Nazi frog.”
I’m certainly opposed to all of that now and will continue to oppose it should Trump be elected. Perhaps, against all opposition those sentiments will still prevail, in which case we will have lost America. But since that’s going to happen under Hillary anyway, even a small chance is better than none. As, 25 million more democrats will make it unavoidable.
Your singular focus upon the tree is preventing you from seeing the forest.
Well at least you admit he can see a tree, progress. 🙂
“tries to claim everyone’s soul.” = Satan in a pants suit, with her lesser demons, aka, millions of Screwtapes, but “civil” servants, all of them! /s 😉
This coming POTUS election is a choice between a vile Alinsky harridan and a know nothing braggert with NYC values. Both sides of this argument should cease fire.
To paraphrase parker, if there were any chance that Trump could win California’s 55 electoral votes I would be forced to vote for him, otherwise Johnson.
Why are you forced to vote for him?
This election needs to be over and he needs to lose. The GOP needs to be chastened and sober up and get with the real business of trying to salvage conservative principles and philosophy and stand up against leftism.
And it needs to quit whining and telling us the sky’s falling and we’re all going to die if we don’t vote for a man who is too unstable to be President.
(Trump,. by the way, was rage-tweeting from 3:20am on last night about a former Miss Universe, her sex tape, etc. This needs to be over. It needs to be over now. The GOP made a huge mistake.)
” ” there is no limit in opposition to clinton.”
You know no such thing. Funny though, how you continually recite this proposition while evading the implications for yourself when it comes to what you are willing to tolerate in order to avoid Trump.” – DNW
Sorry, DNW, it is you who is evading. Would like to hear your positive case to make for trump, and to what extent you recognize any magnitude of downside risk with trump.
When you turn it around to me, I have said that BOTH trump and clinton are unacceptable (for a surprising number of overlapping reasons), what I am doing about it – Libertarian at the top and GOP down ticket – and a positive case for why – not least of which is two moderate, two term GOP Governors at the top, whose focus is on limiting the size and scope of government (i.e. the right direction).
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You continue to preach to trump’s choir and hardly get beyond that.
The whole premise of the (and your) case to vote for trump is based on “not clinton”. Yet, we have record level of undecideds for this point in the election cycle. That “case” is not selling.
They, evidently, see downside on both – trump is scaring off voters too, but for rather different reasons.
What argument would you make to independents that don’t see the doom and gloom, “flight 93” type case that you ascribe to, but already find clinton to be unworthy of office?
To be credibly persuasive, that argument needs to also recognize the issues with trump and how that plays out in all this.
The legal sky has already fallen, haven’t you noticed? And millions of taxpayer funded illegal aliens and Democrat client class members are adding their mass daily, in an effort to keep it down.
Some of us have just weighed the options and judged that an uncertainty with Trump is preferable to the certain and irremediable (by usual social means) result that Clinton guarantees: More destruction of the already crumbling edifice of the law, more politically motivated administrative persecution of private citizens by Federal Government office holders, more abandonment of natural law predicates, more hollowing of the Constitution, and the polity itself.
And many of the Republican candidates for the presidency so admired for their judgment and character by commenters here, have now openly stated the same calculus.
What’s to be salvaged 8 years from now, and after a near decade of pissed away political life and personal liberty, if she gets in?
And in the meantime what are your conservative salvagers going to accomplish in the way of preventing Clinton from installing more Lois Lerners?
How are your conservative salvagers going in the meantime to convince the rogue government employees to testify before congress during a Hillary administration?
What are your conservative salvagers going to do in the way of convincing millions of Democrat Party clients to give up their state underwritten free-rides, in favor of an economic and political liberty they obviously care nothing whatsoever about?
They don’t obey the laws in the first place.
If religious freedom is reduced to private prayer? So what? If conservative citizens are harassed by public office holders? So what? If foreign money is funneled into American elections? So what? Are the borders open, the armed forces subverted, the First and Second Amendments trampled upon? So what? If government officials interfere with your attempts to organize collective action – as they are doing now – to correct these trends, more so what?
Neither the client class, nor its ideological managers have any problems with these totalitarian trends. Hell, those not in office freely admit it.
What do you think you are going to salvage, and what makes you believe you will even be allowed by the government to effectively operate in pursuit of that goal – given the IRS scandal, and judicial attacks on free association?
Listen, as the future talks to you:
No one – I have seen – has suggested we are all going to die if Hillary is elected. Not right away anyway LOL. What they do rationally calculate is a further deterioration of the political situation propelled by leftists on government power steroids; and that when these leftists are done with you in another 4 to 8 years, it is quite possible you won’t be able to salvage your own ass, much less a constitutional polity and the rule of law from the shambles that remain; without that is, heroic efforts and possibly heretofore unacceptable, socially divisive, and openly antagonistic methods.
DNW:
They are after your soul, or haven’t you been listening? LOL
Still trying to get back whatever it was I took from you. Poor little guy. Well, at least it gives you some reason to live.
O Universe, what will you send us next?
India and Pakistan, or Pakistan and India, are together currently engaging in another round of tit for tat (such tits!, such tats! So high aloft!); each calculating their deadly game will not spiral out of control to the detriment of either nation’s ultimate interests.
But I, while nominally aware of these dangerous events in distant lands, I must have Machado and evermore Machado.
Manny Machado that is: The true beauty on the scene today. The Manny who gives meaning to SMOD: slick Machado on defense. Hence my sadness that this season draws toward its conclusion.
Yet, hope may return in another baseball season — only think how much more thrilling the turn of a crucial mid-game inning-ending 5-4-3 double play can be when Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia are engaged in a duel of nuclear weapons possessed “Allah Says us, not you!”
And for that, we can all thank you PresidentPseudonym.
Can’t take what you don’t have. Get back on your soap box like a good boy.
“Now people like me face the task of building a real conservative party from the bottom up. IMO, there may not be enough time to do so” – parker
“”The GOP needs to be chastened and sober up and get with the real business of trying to salvage conservative principles and philosophy and stand up against leftism.” – Bill
“Convictions to freedom and liberty? Optional for now it seems.” – OM
“The GOP may be kaput as a major party. If so mission accomplished, congratulations djt.” – parker
As imperfect as it was, the GOP were the political home for conservative principles. In our lifetimes (perhaps since its birth), it was always something of a compromise in supporting a party leader / presidential candidate to represent all under the GOP banner. Most, if not all candidates at least paid lip service to our Founding principles (despite the yells of “RINO!!!”).
In 2016, however, short of becoming a “neoneoleftist” (i.e. a convert to leftism), trump is a compromise about as far away from conservative priniciples as one can get. Whether one recognizes it or not, aligning oneself with trump is to align oneself with many of the headline alt-r themes.
This will be something that is going to be remembered for a generation or two – likely well past anyone’s timeline to win back legitimacy and political relevancy under the GOP flag.
Of course, if trump wins, the transformation to an alt-r GOP will be near complete.
If trump loses, it looks to still be relatively close. That will only embolden the alt-r, and that, along with whatever it is that allowed many of us (including the politicians and elites) to make that compromise, will ensure that the conservative element of the GOP will have a monumental struggle to bring the party back on course.
If trump loses big, then maybe there is a reasonable chance to salvage conservative principles within the GOP. But this big a loss increasingly looks unlikely (largely due to how awful clinton is as a candidate).
If a trump win or a small margin loss, it looks like a building of a real conservative party from the bottom up is the task before us.
“Big Maq Says:
September 30th, 2016 at 11:27 am
I have no idea who this YouTube commentator is, and I have done enough of my own research on Gary Johnson to know that he is a complete clown, without being told.
However for those looking to get a laugh out of the sad state of affairs of so-called “libertarianism” nowadays, enjoy laughing along with this over the top presentation.
Gary Johnson is no Libertarian…
— Trump has openly and famously stated he would stabilize the border and enforce it and immigration law. Positive reason to vote for Trump.
It’s one of those “You can keep your doctor and plan if you like them’ sort of deals. People who are afraid of death or of invaders, will often believe whatever they are told, if 1. they want it to be true or 2. they fear the opposite is true.
The legal sky has already fallen, haven’t you noticed? And millions of taxpayer funded illegal aliens and Democrat client class members are adding their mass daily, in an effort to keep it down.
That’s been the case even before 2007, when I first started figuring out the vast reserves which the Leftist alliance was only just activating in this century.
So it is natural people right now are afraid and feeling a call to action, but the erosion has been going on for quite some time now. If the Left ever survives to pull 50% of their strategic reserve into action, then people would be more accurate to call in the doomsday rockets. Because, quite literally, they will have to then.
Why do I get the “vibration” from this and other of his comments that Bill is a Clinton troll?
It’s probably the same kind as the one Chris Matthews got up his leg when he met Hussein Obola for the first time.
It’s devastating that so many conservatives are buying it!
They never heard about it, thus they can’t buy what nobody wants to sell them.
Much of this is merely White Nationalism and White Christian Nationalism (meaning another form of Heresy). It’s not GamerGate nor is it Milo’s style of anti Left counter pushing. It’s not modern internet culture nor is it even particularly modern sub cultures. From what evidence I can detect, White Nationalism has been around since the Democrats of the 1830s. It has never gone away. You can’t get rid of it just by ostracizing it from the mainstream. And it’s not because of the internet either.
Vox Day is a good, though rare, example of White Christian Nationalism, although Vox Day Himself is a Red Indian by parts of his blood to the reservation tribes. How I wonder how he keeps that self loathing in check, given what he believes concerning race supremacy eugenics. After all, if one believes in that, then the Chinese, Japanese, and Jews are superior because of their IQ, then it makes perfect sense why people find Jews all over the place. It speaks of a dark place in their hearts, controlled by Lucifer/Satan, that they haven’t figured this part of their human shell out yet.
Perhaps Lucifer has promised them power in return for defeating the Left, but that’s like manipulating the Left to fight the Right, no matter who wins, Lucifer still wins in checkmate. Catch 22.
The white nationalists want power, and so they are picking this as a strategic time and place to join together and use each other for power, in the Alt Right coalition. I think many Tea Party members and American patriots/conservatives/Republicans (Vox Day lives in Italy and runs his own publishing house, it doesn’t matter to him if your America burns, since he’s either Catholic or his own heretical church anyways). Just as the Left allied with Islamic Jihad, thinking they could use each other, while secretly planning to kill the other when power comes to them, the White Nationalists is thinking of conducting a coup de tat in the US once they obtain enough power over the Left and the rest of you. And the Tea Party American patriots, also are thinking in similar lines.
Can’t take what you don’t have. Get back on your soap box like a good boy.
So long as you claim to be a Christian, yet profess in the heresy of denying the Christian Gospel and won’t even countenance the existence of Lucifer or Satan obtaining souls on this earth through evil, people will continue to filter your sarcasm clown car in their own ways.
Ymarsakar:
What world do you live in? Bizarre.