Hillary’s pneumonia: coughs, lies, and videotape
First, let’s talk about pneumonia itself: it doesn’t necessarily mean a person is old and/or otherwise sickly. For example, my son had it in his teens, and gave it to his father and me, and we were all pretty sick although no one needed hospitalization and all of us recovered nicely. I was in my forties at the time. And I’ve known plenty of other relatively young people who’ve had it.
But Hillary Clinton isn’t in her forties. And even before this she had already been perceived as sickly, with a lot of speculation for years about what disease or conditions she might actually have. Plus, she’s already perceived as being a liar. Both of those problems came to the fore in her recent near-collapse at the 9/11 anniversary ceremony. It’s the lead story all over the place, and you don’t want that sort of thing to be the lead story during a campaign.
The timeline goes like this:
On Sunday, Clinton abruptly left a Manhattan ceremony marking the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. A video shows her shakily stumbling while trying to get into a van to leave. The candidate’s physician later offered this explanation: Clinton has had an allergy-related cough for some time, and during an examination on Friday, the Democratic nominee was diagnosed with pneumonia, put on antibiotics, and told to take time out to rest. She became overheated and dehydrated during Sunday morning’s event, which led her to collapse. She’s now home in Chappaqua and on the road to recovery.
In addition, between her near-collapse and the announcement that she’d had a diagnosis of pneumonia recently, the campaign put out that her condition was from “overheating.” As lies (or half-truths?) go, it wasn’t even a good one, because the temperature in New York on Sunday wasn’t all that hot. My guess, though, is that it probably would have sufficed as an explanation except for the fact that Clinton needed to take some days off because of the pneumonia, so some further word was required.
Not only are the visuals terrible, but as with many things it’s the coverup that is the bigger problem, although in this case the thing itself is a problem too because it feeds into the pre-existent narrative of a sick and vulnerable older person:
As I wrote at the outset of this post, this sort of thing isn’t necessarily a sign of age or of general infirmity. But it looks like it is, and it could be, and there’s no particular reason to trust the campaign that covered it up in the first place. It’s understandable that they wouldn’t have wanted to announce it unless they had to (and I’m not at all sure that most campaigns wouldn’t also have covered it up). And yet the omission came back to bite them, hard.
First, there is fact of the illness itself. Then, the Clinton campaign’s secrecy about it. Next, the bad visuals and the videotape, followed by the lie about overheating and then the belated disclosure of the illness. All of this doesn’t exactly engender trust, either in Hillary’s general good health or her general veracity. It also indicates she doesn’t know how to pace herself.
And although Donald Trump is even older than she, he’s been perceived as more hale and hearty and may indeed be so. We don’t know, because we’ve never seen his medical records and he’s known for lying, too, but there’s no reason not to believe him in this case.
Campaigns are almost indescribably grueling. I have no idea how any of them do it, including the young ones. But the presidency is very grueling, too, and health and stamina is required. We’ve had plenty of ill presidents, though, and for some of them the extent of their health problems have been covered up (Roosevelt’s disability and Kennedy’s adrenal disease come to mind). That was then, though, and this is now, and medical coverups are frowned upon.
The bottom line, of course, is how this will affect the election. I cannot imagine it will help Hillary. But how much will it really hurt her? I also can’t imagine her supporters defecting to Trump for this reason, but it’s that vast middle group of “undecideds” who might think twice because of this.
[NOTE: It’s unclear whether Clinton has viral or bacterial pneumonia, and I doubt it matters all that much in terms of the political consequences of the story. Each are relatively common and usually not all that serious. Clinton was given antibiotics, which indicates it was more likely bacterial pneumonia. But it is my understanding that sometimes antibiotics are given as a preventative against a bacterial overlay even when someone has viral pneumonia.
Trump has announced that he will release “the numbers” from a recent physical of his.]
It seems to me as if the Hillary campaign has reached that point where they might as well tell the truth, because no one is going to believe what they say anyway. And as for the press slavishly repeating what the campaign puts out, I will repeat something I said years ago: the manner in which the legacy media have covered both Obama and Clinton will be, or should be, a case study in journalism schools in a few years. It has been truly demeaning to the profession.
Although most pneumonias are not extremely contagious, hugging a child (or anybody) when you had been (supposedly!) diagnosed is vile. That needs to be emphasized. Certainly much is not being disclosed, but just based on what little was said, that was very wrong.
BillR:
If she had bacterial pneumonia, and had taken antibiotics for a couple of days, she would not have been contagious.
It still is a very bad idea for her to have hugged a child, just to be safe.
RE: antibiotics
You are correct that antibiotics may be used even for viral pneumonia.
My issues with the pneumonia diagnosis include:
1. Does this explain all of the earlier coughing fits? I don’t think so.
2. If she had this diagnosis for days, why wasn’t that information released and her schedule lightened?
3. Most importantly: what in the world was she doing spreading her germs all over the landscape? In particular, if she knew that she had pneumonia, why did she come into close contact with others, especially the little girl in front of her daughter’s building? Doesn’t she care about other people?
(Of course, I don’t believe it was pneumonia, and no, I don’t think that she cares very much about others. (I base that on the incident where she ordered her driver to move on even after it was obvious that he hit a security guard at an airport. And it’s based on how she treats her staff and he SS detail.))
Calling Trump supporters racist, sexist, homophobic, and islamophobic won’t gain her any voters. I trust it will lose her voters.
kevino:
I had already answered one of your questions in the comment right above yours.
As far as her pre-existing cough goes, the announcement said it was from allergies. This is very very possible; I sometimes have a bit of a cough that is apparently allergic in nature (I definitely have quite a few allergies). Such coughs can also be from acid reflux, which is not always diagnosed but is quite common and also commonly causes chronic cough.
See this:
I don’t quite know how to say this. It seems to me unlikely that a voter is going to change his mind about either candidate based on revelations about their character or policies. After all, these candidates have been public figures for decades. But health revelations can force a voter to reconsider a candidate.
I have seen a video of Hillary and the little girl. The Secret Service forms a loose protective shield around Hillary, but the little girl comes running right through it . . . as though it was pre-arranged . . .
“Gamlbing?! In my casino?”
There’s a lot of suspicion that Clinton is hiding something much more serious than pneumonia. Parkinsons seems to be a popular suggestion, and from what others have been saying, pneumonia is frequently seen in people in advanced stages of Parkinsons (because food and/or liquids accidentally end up in the lungs).
So the announcement about pneumonia might be technically true, but still hiding something much more serious.
All I know for sure is that whatever happened in the video was *really* bad. Even supported, she was unable to use her legs to help hold herself up.
M
Also, if I were Trump, I’d announce that I’ll release my tax records if Clinton releases her medical records.
😛
The whole thing is a lie. That’s what the Clintons do.
Most of my lefty friends have been relatively silent recently. I think some of them sincerely are lost and broken after the Sanders situation. Political discourse from that set has been to attack Trump where possible and since Trump has actually been relatively gaffe-free in recent weeks, most of that is limited to the usual lefty-left knee-jerks of assuming that all people right of center are stupid, racist, sexist, homophobes just because.
However, it’s worth mentioning that I did see a couple of the real diehards post that they’d rather vote for a comatose Hillary than a conscious Trump. (Including someone who literally said that they’d rather have a dead Hillary than a live Trump.) It all goes back to the unmovable belief set held by the committed left that all people who think differently than they do are not just in possession of a different opinion, but are wrong, evil and stupid.
Some fodder from the internet.
First, several days ago I saw a video of a person who identified himself as a physician and posited that Hillary has Parkinson’s disease. He commented that he coughing fits are one sign because Parkinson’s sufferers have a tendency to allow spittle or small bits of food to go “down the wrong pipe.” He also claimed that the sometimes bug-eyed look that Hillary displays along with the jerky head motions point to the same diagnosis.
Furthermore, today over at Vox Day’s site
http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2016/09/hmmmm.html
he offers) a comparison of two Hillary photos and asks if, perhaps, a body double is in use.
Now, I’m not a physician, I’m not someone who has had personal experience with Parkinson’s, and I am certainly not a computer guru who has mastered Photoshop. Given that, while I am naturally skeptical about anything posted on the internet, I must also weigh this in light of William Safire’s identification of Hillary Clinton as a congenital liar and my own assessment of her self-entitlement to the Oval Office.
Note that her “pneumonia” diagnosis was revealed only when it served the purpose of explaining away something more serious, i.e., an apparent collapse.
Ann Althouse today also does some interesting parsing of the statements about Hillary’s pneumonia. Clinton’s physician announced that Hillary had been diagnosed with pneumonia and that she was recuperating nicely. The physician did not specify that the pneumonia was the cause of the collapse on Sunday. It is not clear who made the pneumonia diagnosis and her “recovering nicely” may be meant to be interpretapply to the pneumonia as a phrase twisting method of not addressing some other underlying cause of her Sunday collapse.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/09/5-thoughts-on-that-doctors-statement.html
For the life of me, I can’t understand how the woman expects to suffer through (literally?) the debates with Trump.
Sorry, sloppy fingers and premature publishing:
Corrected:
It is not clear who made the pneumonia diagnosis and her “recovering nicely” may be meant to be interpreted as applying to the pneumonia to cover up some other more serious ailment which was the underlying cause of her Sunday collapse.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/09/5-thoughts-on-that-doctors-statement.html
For the life of me, I can’t understand how the woman expects to suffer through (literally?) the debates with Trump.
I don’t believe for even a minute that her problem is pneumonia because it doesn’t fit the facts.
Purportedly, she overheated in mild conditions suffering from pneumonia, just diagnosed on Friday. It affects her so negatively that she collapses when being assisted into the van.
Yet less than an hour later, according to one of her aides that was present, she’s playing with her grandchildren, chasing them around her daughter’s apt.
Then, about 90 minutes after collapsing, she walks outside into the heat of the day, saying she feels fine and hugs a little girl who runs unimpeded, through her Secret Service detail… right. BUT… the condition is bad enough that she just canceled her California fund raising…
Here’s a video by a fair minded doctor that makes a compelling case for Hillary having an advancing case of Parkinson’s disease.
Lies and cover-up that’s what this is about.
BTW, notice the woman ‘aide’ next to her, both when she arrives and as she’s waiting to be picked up? I don’t think that’s just an ‘aide’, I’d bet that’s a nurse.
Finally, there’s the piece of metal that falls out of her pant leg as she’s being assisted into the van, which you can see and clearly hear in the video above. I suspect that’s a clip to hold her catheter tube in place that got dislodged. Here is an even better video of the metal falling out of her pant leg.
This is a very sick woman, who cannot perform the job she seeks but egotistically is willing to place the nation’s security at risk in order to become “The First Woman President”. What a despicable excuse for a human being.
“it’s that vast middle group of “undecideds” who might think twice because of this. ”
I can’t quote statistics but my impression is that nowadays there is no vast number of undecideds–only a few percent. The election swings on turning out your base. That said, if Trump or Hillary can avoid a meltdown between now and election day a few percent is enough to flip some swing states.
The bottom line for me is whether this story has legs. The media will do everything possible to cover for Hillary but if there is something seriously wrong with her health even they will not be able to cover it up.
It will be interesting to see whether this will force the Hillary campaign to release some of her health records. So far, Trump has played this very well releasing some tweets where he is obsequiously wishing her well LOL. He also says he will release the results of a physical exam later this week (on the Dr. Oz show–double LOL).
My bet is that Clinton’s campaign will tough it out and not release anything. The media will cover for her and if there are no other videos like the one from yesterday I think she can skate through. They ignored her coughing fits so I do not think that is enough.
I don’t know that she has Parkinson’s- I actually tend to doubt it, or think it hasn’t yet progressed far. I have a close relative with Parkinson’s and there some similarities, the coughing for example, but Clinton walks with a much smoother gait when she isn’t stumbling. I would guess there is some other disorder they are covering up.
I don’t believe the pneumonia story. As far as anyone knows, she didn’t go to any doctor’s office or hospital for the diagnosis which usually requires a chest X-ray. As Althouse points out, the physician used passive voice exclusively. Whenever I hear the passive voice used by someone I have to assume was directly involved in an incident, my first assumption is that some sort of lie is being told to me. Secondly, the appearance in front of Chelsea’s home is incongruous with such a diagnosis. I strongly suspect they needed a temporary disorder to continue the cover for the permanent and progressive one. She is now trapped, however- another incident a week or so from now, and the jig is going to be up.
GB,
Thanks for the link. That is the video I was referring to in my 2:26 post above.
Bob_CA,
At 12:51 today, Instapundit (that is Ed Drscoll posted this:
Note that this is appearing at show biz site The Wrap and also in the headlines of the Internet Movie Database Website, which means that Hillary’s “deplorable” bitter clingers gaffe has made it past the DNC-MSM’s firewall.
Junior:
Powerline.com posted regarding Hillary and aspiratinal pneumonia yesterday:
OM Says:
September 11th, 2016 at 9:57 pm
And now a cheery prognosis, Hillary may be suffering from aspirational pneumonia.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/09/rockin-pneumonia-a-unifying-diagnosis.php
Pneumonia caused by impaired swallowing reflex leading to food in lungs; cause of impaired swallowing reflex includes neuroliogical impairment.
I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even Hillary.
“As far as anyone knows, she didn’t go to any doctor’s office or hospital for the diagnosis which usually requires a chest X-ray. ”
Just what do you think is inside Chelsea’s apartment?
I do not have much to add, except to note this may be the final straw for hrc. Its difficult to believe that she does not have serious health issues that are being withheld from the public. This is not necessarily good news for the donald. If the dnc believes she has become a liability the party can not afford she will be forced out and Uncle Joe will come riding to the rescue.
OM:
Yes, I had read that earlier.
To me, it’s absurd to conclude that. First of all, it rests on the idea that she has a neurological disease, which is mere rumor. Without the neurological disease, there would be no reason whatsoever to suspect aspiration pneumonia.
Secondly, although aspiration pneumonia has not been announced for her and is also not the most common form of pneumonia, it is not what you’d call rare, and many cases are in normal people who do not have any neurological impairment:
So, to recap: there is no indication Clinton has aspiration pneumonia. Even if she did, it could easily be caused by something innocuous rather than a neurological disease. And also, she seems to have a rather good cough reflex—she’s been coughing a lot lately.
Her having pneumonia tells us nothing about whether she has a neurological disease.
Not Parkinson’s, not Alzheimer’s, but even worse: subcortical encephalopathy (Binswanger’s disease), as her doctor Liza Bardak have said.
Uncle Joe or “radical roots” Tim Kaine. Neither of whom received one primary vote for President. There’s democracy at work for you. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Kaine, the natural successor to a Pres. Hillary… turns out to be a closet marxist.
Bob_CA:
Why can’t you quote statistics? It’s possible to look them up. Here’s some information from an article that was written on September 6, 2016:
Binswanger’s disease (BD), also called subcortical vascular dementia, is a type of dementia caused by widespread, microscopic areas of damage to the deep layers of white matter in the brain. The damage is the result of the thickening and narrowing (atherosclerosis) of arteries that feed the subcortical areas of the brain. Atherosclerosis (commonly known as “hardening of the arteries”) is a systemic process that affects blood vessels throughout the body. It begins late in the fourth decade of life and increases in severity with age. As the arteries become more and more narrowed, the blood supplied by those arteries decreases and brain tissue dies. A characteristic pattern of BD-damaged brain tissue can be seen with modern brain imaging techniques such as CT scans or magnetic resonance imaging (MRI). The symptoms associated with BD are related to the disruption of subcortical neural circuits that control what neuroscientists call executive cognitive functioning: short-term memory, organization, mood, the regulation of attention, the ability to act or make decisions, and appropriate behavior. The most characteristic feature of BD is psychomotor slowness – an increase in the length of time it takes, for example, for the fingers to turn the thought of a letter into the shape of a letter on a piece of paper. Other symptoms include forgetfulness (but not as severe as the forgetfulness of Alzheimer’s disease), changes in speech, an unsteady gait, clumsiness or frequent falls, changes in personality or mood (most likely in the form of apathy, irritability, and depression), and urinary symptoms that aren’t caused by urological disease. Brain imaging, which reveals the characteristic brain lesions of BD, is essential for a positive diagnosis.
Is there any treatment?
There is no specific course of treatment for BD. Treatment is symptomatic.
RE: pre-existing cough
Same sounding cough from the same patient due to two different causes a few weeks apart? It’s possible, but not at all probable. How about one cause: (1) acid reflux, (2) COPD, or Parkinson’s. If the big guy who is always with her is a neologist, then Parkinson’s looks more likely.
Of course, any of those would mean that the Clinton campaign is lying to the public. How likely is that?
GB,
A political party is not required to adhere to ‘democracy’ when it comes to protecting the interests of the party. The party threw hrc under the bus in 2008. There will be no hesitation to do it again if she is seen as a liability.
junior:
That moment when she almost fell could be a sign of something really bad, but it certainly does not necessarily indicate something really bad at all. It indicates wooziness—feeling faint or dizzy will do that. There are thousands of reasons to feel that way, some of them rather innocuous and not all that uncommon even in young people.
Case in point:
kevino:
It would not be the least bit weird or unusual for someone who’s had a chronic cough from GERD or from allergies, and has had it for at least a year or two, to at some point also contract pneumonia.
Clinton not the only one lie or cover up her heath issue
Legacy of presidential coverups
Neo:
I agree that without at least one doctor’s work up it’s all speculation and conjecture. Good hing she isn’t counting on OCA for treatment. Is she ill or not and if so from what? Then again “at this point what does it matter…”
But what did fall out of her pant suit? (seriously/S) 🙂 :0
As Kyndyll G noted, Hillary’s health is irrelevant. Now that Congress has fully abdicated to the bureaucracy, all the democrats need is a figurehead. It doesn’t matter who they have in the White House as long as the President enables the government to keep sliding left.
I watched the video several times, and what struck me is that when the guards took her arms to move her toward the car, her legs and feet did not move. It wasn’t that they were too weak to support her weight when she tried to walk and buckled under her — she didn’t try to walk. Her feet did not move when the guards lifted the upper part of her body away from that concrete support and toward the van. They dragged behind her across the sidewalk as if they were dead, until she fell over the curb and vanished behind the protective screen of security people.
I have had “walking pneumonia” repeatedly (mycoplasma – a milder type of pneumonia that makes a person feel awful but doesn’t result in a high fever or absolutely prevent the sufferer from trying to continue with normal life.) It certainly does exhaust a person and cause dizziness and fatigue that could result in fainting or stumbling — but it does not prevent your legs from moving at all. Whether or not she actually has pneumonia – – and these days, the fact that her people say that anything is true is a pretty good reason to assume that it’s false — that’s not what caused her feet to freeze like that.
I would think they’d want to go with Tim Kaine. First of all, they may be bound to (I don’t know party rules). Secondly, they probably would be obliged to politically, because he’s the person she chose. And lastly, I’d think he could win handily. He’d be a much stronger candidate than Joe Biden. (I also believe that Mike Pence could beat Hillary.)
I suggest a new bumper sticker: “ILLary 2016”
I am reminded of a National Lampoon cartoon from long ago:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/64ef1645d54b3159b4d4806c80ef2f6a/tumblr_o4h0ou8Lmt1rt74cqo1_1280.jpg
I should just add that my previous comment does not mean that I’m throwing my lot in with the folks who are diagnosing Hillary with Parkinson’s at a distance. I’m no doctor, but my dad had Parkinson’s, I saw the absolute misery it causes close up and personal for years and years, and it didn’t look anything like this. Yes, he sometimes froze when he tried to walk or say something — but by the time that started to happen, there were other obvious Parkinsonian symptoms that you could see in him all the time -the pill-rolling tremor in his hands, frozen facial expression, difficulty balancing while walking, bodily stiffness etc. These symptoms did not come and go in brief spells so that he was immobile and unable to support himself at one moment and, just a couple of hours later, walk gaily across a sidewalk without assistance, waving smoothly to the crowd, and bend to hug a child before climbing on his own into a car. For all I know, maybe Parkinson’s can work like that sometimes, or maybe there are meds now that weren’t available to my dad — but that’s not what I saw. So I’m staying agnostic on it, but guessing that if something long-term is going on with Hillary, which it may well be, it’ll turn out to be something other than Parkinson’s.
Mrs Whatsit:
But being woozy or near-fainting as a consequence of the pneumonia plus the overdoing it would certainly fully account for her legs not moving or being very wobbly.
Mrs Whatsit:
I have never felt that the Parkinson’s speculation about Hillary is correct.
‘I cannot imagine it will help Hillary.’
I can. Maybe she’ll get the sympathy vote. It sounds farfetched but most people don’t actually use reason to decide who to vote for. Otherwise no one in their right mind would vote for Trump or Clinton.
Which by the way is what’s wrong with most political discussion. Rational people thinking other voters are rational too – and then wondering why the latest episode didn’t affect the poles the way they thought it would.
Steve D:
Let me make it clear what I meant when I said I couldn’t imagine it.
I certainly DID imagine that it might gain her a sympathy vote. But I said I can’t imagine that it will help her. I rejected that as a possibility for the simple reason that it looked so bad, and people also don’t like being lied to. The only people who will feel sympathy for her, I believe, are those who already like her. The others will probably find it unsettling. That voter reaction (in my opinion) need have nothing to do with logic, but everything to do with emotion and perception.
Neo, I agree that dizziness and fatigue could make her legs very wobbly but I don’t think I agree that they could cause the absolute lack of motion visible in that video – unless she was actually unconscious, or very close to it, as they lifted her into the van.
Mrs Whatsit:
When I watch the video I see a person with wobbly legs trying to steady herself. The “absolute lack of motion” is very very short, and can be fully explained by that. I also think it’s highly possible she was so woozy she was starting to faint but did not fully faint (or maybe she did by the time she was actually in the van).
And in any event, whatever the truth of her diagnosis, the most striking thing about this episode is the fundamental dishonesty that is once again revealed in this woman and her staff. She seems to be constitutionally incapable of telling the truth about anything.
Hillary’s wild mood shifts are quite an indication that she’s highly medicated — something that’s been going on for quite some time.
Her medical disclosures — if any — will be as tortured and bogus as her e-mail releases.
This grifter has out pulled Boss Tweed. That was the ENTIRE purpose of her off-the-reservation server. For it was via that node that she exacted pay to play from the State Department.
The Clinton Foundation was, and is, wholesale charity fraud. It’s a criminal enterprise — a grift.
One of the results of this latest health episode is that it’s going to shine a bright light on her history of blood clots and deep vein thrombosis:
That’s going to sound pretty serious and scary to a lot of people; I know it does to me. And it doesn’t help that she’s been looking really, really tired and not very well at all lately.
Blert,
This is a criticism that I have levied against not-for-profit corporations for a long time: All public charities are not-for-profit corps., but not all not-for-profit corps are charities.
Technically, the only difference between a for-profit and a not-for-profit corp is that for-profit corps have shareholders to whom profit is distributed; not-for-profits have no shareholders. Many NFPs rely on the public misunderstanding of that distinction and allow (and encourage) themselves to be seen as charities to aid in their fund-raising. Your local PBS station, for instance is not a charity, usually paying its directors well into the six figures. Goodwill is not a charity, as only ~8% of its revenue goes to charitable purposes; the bulk of it goes to support the organization itself.
Now I personally have no objection to corporations making profits or to individuals making healthy incomes. I deeply resent it when they allow and especially foster the misunderstanding of the public to collect donations to increase those profits.
Unfortunately I have suffered coughing attacks over the past several years brought on by ???. They have come on unexpectedly and abruptly. Sometimes it has been due to my saliva “going down the wrong pipe” but more commonly the sensation that something is “on my windpipe”. There have been times where I look like I might not make it. It’s embarrassing. Happily these have been infrequent episodes. I was recently asked to be a Lector at our church. If I was struggling with recurrent coughing episodes, I would have declined for obvious reasons. I have felt sympathy for Hillary on this issue, but at the same time I know that is not her only issue and if coughing would keep me from being a Lector, how much more President? She is on Coumadin for her blood clot issues and who knows what other medications. That medicine alone could have considerable physical/mental effects. This weekend my husband and I discussed how crazy it is that a person that has lived the public life Hillary has, money to burn, grandchildren, and can pretty much do anything she pleases, chooses to run for the job of President in her condition and at this time of life. That doesn’t speak of good mental health. Makes us wonder if some more serious damage resulted from her concussions and other problems.
As for heat being the issue for Hillary, how does that mesh with the outfit she wore in Nantucket; dressed for Fall/Winter weather, when everyone around her was in summer clothes?
Bill Clinton told Charlie Rose in an interview that’s set to air tonight that “on more than one occasion, over the last many, many years, the same sort of thing’s happened to her when she got severely dehydrated.” I think Bill really doesn’t want her to be president.
neo writes: “Why can’t you quote statistics? ”
Because I am too lazy to look them up.
Then neo quotes 538
“But just as important, many voters – close to 20 percent – either say they’re undecided or that they plan to vote for third-party candidates. At a comparable point four years ago, only 5 to 10 percent of voters fell into those categories.”
I think this agrees with my point that it is only a few percent and not with yours. The key is that 538 conflates third party and undecideds.
According to http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/
in 4 way matchups Johnson is polling ~10% and Stein ~3%.
So separating them out, the undecideds are ~7%–a few percent by my counting.
I guess 538 and perhaps you are assuming that people who select third candidates are more changeable than those who select Trump or Hillary and therefore should be lumped with the undecideds. I see no evidence for that and you do not present any.
We live in interesting times.
My recommendation is not to get too close to the”H” spin machine. Regardless of what the truth may be, the machine will be going full speed and could create a dangerous vortex.
If Hillary survives the month of September, then the American electorate is even worse than I thought; and after 2008 and 2012 I thought it was bad.
Biden, yuk. Would the female vote go to him in sympathy for Hillary? Or would it be repulsed by his documented habit of touching women who clearly do not want to be touched? Biden has a record of egregious lies and outrageous gaffes that should make him the laughing stock that he deserves to be.
Kaine is a non-entity. Even if the lock-step Demo groups rally to him; I cannot see him as a formidable candidate. There is no there, there.
I had a lovely post from Scott adams…
but it was swallowed twice and i have better things to do… (and i do have a marvelous proof within fermats ability, not that anyone cares either)
The only thing i will say about the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCx0x0rigeQ&feature=youtu.be
is that you look at her feet… from one angle, they are dragging the top of the foot, and the other angle they are dragging the top of the other foot.
ie. she is being held up and not even lifting her foot to even appear like walking…
This is enough to end her chances of being elected.
and just to be clear on other areas:
“There is no doubt that Obama is intent on emasculating the military and will fire anyone who disagrees with him.”
Major General Patrick Brady, USA (Ret.) and Congressional Medal of Honor recipient
Right under our noses, Obama has purged a huge number of senior military officials from top positions in our armed forces.
Last year alone, he “relieved of duty” nine generals and flag officers — making a total of over 200 top-class officers fired since he came to office in 2009, including nine very powerful generals and admirals in the past year alone.
The question is: Why?
One veteran Army intel officer shared the reason. He said that Obama wants a “compliant officer class” and “it’s getting harder and harder to find senior officers with a pair of b*lls above the rank of major” because above that rank “it’s all politics.”
–THE SOVEREIGNTY PROJECT
given history is full of a plethora of all manner of imponderable actions by various entities out of a population that numbers in the billions…
so Who da F knows other than the subject?
Bob_CA:
7% undecided only two months prior to a presidential election is enough to change the outcome. It is not a small or inconsequential figure.
And I think most people assume that those who say they are voting 3rd party are more likely to change their minds towards the end, particularly if a vote is close. I believe I’ve read (can’t find it now) that that is historically the case; the 3rd party vote shrinks when the election finally occurs. I’m assuming that’s why many articles on the subject of the undecideds lump the two together, as do many polls.
The idea is that there are more people in the category of undecided and in the category of 3rd party than usual at this point in an election cycle, and that this represents uncertainty and the possibility for sudden and perhaps unexpected change.
Clinton Campaign announces new campaign song: “I got the rockin’ pneumonia the boogie woogie blues.”
In other news the nation today debated, here and elsewhere, just how much truth there was in the headline: “Fearless Leader Swims the Yangtze”
Elsewhere: Comrade Hillary Celebrates Robust Health
As all can see from the not doctored photographical evidence shown thusly, Comrade Hillary exhibits lifelike visage upon reviewing military parade for glorious May Day gathering. She briefly stricken by allergies overheating pneumonia yet still attend solemn ceremony in city of New York this Sunday. She also visit flat of daughter Chelsea, greeting her newborn grandchild with love, and later hug noble devochka outside of building. Such selfless acts make historic impact! How great is the dignity shown, for she strong like bull.
https://ricochet.com/372762/comrade-hillary-celebrates-robust-health/
First of all, why should anyone believe that she has “pneumonia”? She and her entire campaign spew forth lies like Vesuvius did volcanic ash.
Second, if she has an undesignated form of pneumonia, she is not being “treated” at a VA hospital or at the Mayo Clinic. Instead, she has a female MD that releases info after the fact (“Pneumonia” said to have been diagnosed diagnosed on 9/9, blamed for her collapse on 9/11) and is almost certainly providing substandard care. Hillary probably had a portable chest X-ray taken at her home in Chappaqua on9/9. Hillary does not go to an imaging center for high quality images because she is “entitled” to privacy. That privacy comes at the cost of substandard care, the same kind Michael Jackson, Eleanor Roosevelt and Howard Hughes got, to name just three notables. Eleanor died of tuberculosis, diagnosed only post-mortem IIRC because that was a peon’s disease.
Third, pneumonia on Xray is a pulmonary infiltrate. Bad things like lymphangitic carcinomatosis can look like pneumonia, especially on a crummy chest Xray taken with a portable Xray unit. The causes of pulmonary infiltrates are legion.
Fourth, no one has said she coughed at the 9/11 scene. Her collapse may have been simply due to over-medication with opioid cough suppressants.
Fifth, see First.
Fred:
“The idea of a president dying in office from a disease he knew he had before he ran for election or re-election doesn’t sit quite right with most people,” Annas said.
You got that right.
It was a despicable move by every single one of them, and indicative of the hubris that attends everyone seeking that particular Brass Ring.
As for why Hillary didn’t just pass on the ride this time: too many people invested too much money in making her President — she owes people big-time, and they don’t have another Agent to substitute for her.
Although props to whoever up above who mentioned that the Left-wing Bureaucracy will probably run on auto-pilot with any generic Dem in the office.
Here’s a good time-line and capsule summary of the situation, although it recaps most of the points in post and comments:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/12/hillary-clintons-campaign-needs-hire-better-liars/
Okay we are going to try this again: so far the system has eaten two tries of mine and one of Art’s.
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Artfldgrs Says:
September 12th, 2016 at 7:43 pm
I had a lovely post from Scott adams…
but it was swallowed twice and i have better things to do… (and i do have a marvelous proof within fermats ability, not that anyone cares either)
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I thought I had found the one you mentioned, and the Blogfather ate my comment also.
Let me try the URL in code
http:// blog.insertnameofthecomiccharacter.com /post/150328786191/deplorable-pneumonia
Whoa – neo, why is your system allergic to “Dilbert”?
Aesop: he’s a non-comic.
Major transgressor: thought crime.
Thank you for using “visuals”, rather than the annoying “optics”.
One episode of wooziness certainly does not mean much, but repeated sequence of such episodes is indicative of a serious illness.
This will, a little, hurt Hillary.
The first thing “she” did was to lie about the problem – overheating. Then corrected it to be pneumonia.
Lie first, then correct. To a maybe true, maybe 2nd lie.
Clinton foundation, lied in their tax reports. Then corrected them.
Clinton lied about Benghazi — she told Chelsea the truth, but lied to the families and to the voters. When did the news first report that Hillary admitted it was a terrorist attack? (There’s a “reporting fact” that it would be interesting for Trump to know).
Clinton email, lied about what was in the emails, then lied some more, and is still lying. Because the truth is that she committed crimes.
When the DNC thinks she is going to lose, they’ll have the FBI indict her (those who strike the Queen must kill her). My guess is after the first debate.
Blert:
Neo has commented more than a few times regarding Scott Adams, the former engineer and cartoonist, and his various positions. To say her position is that Adams represents “thought crime” is an aversion to thinking on your part.
Charles Hughes Smith makes the case that her phalanx is so used to rushing to her aid that whatever the issue is, it’s profound.
Various stills have revealed her walking with two nurses// MDs.
Some medical device fell from her pants during the episode, the talk is that it’s a catheter.
What it’s impossible to tell is whether she’s reacting to her medications or to the fundamental problem.
She’s apparently on blood thinners to such a degree that even a fall could prove lethal. So it’s no wonder that her inner crew is ready at all times to fly to her aid.
She fundamentally has FDR’s problem: she’s close to expiring — and is trying to run her campaign outside the public eye.
The true insiders must be now contemplating that, like FDR, even if elected, she won’t last past next Spring.
Her lapsed memories WRT — everything — is genuine.
Inquiring minds want to know, what else is hidden in Hillary’s pants! Is she really a robot who’s batteries have lost their capacity? Will her charge last into the new year? Find the answers in the National Enquirer today! 🙂
What’s scary is that my most unyielding lefty friends are now starting to use this incident as evidence of how tough and great Hillary is – that even sick she showed up for the 9/11 event.
The mind boggles.
I read a suggestion that the metal piece may have been something that she was asked to hold. The theory is that a person who is about to faint will drop the object, thus giving notice to surrounding people to catch her! That seems logical since she is grabbed by others after the object is seen in the video.
In watching the videos (one seems to be the reverse of the original based on the direction of the van and the position of the people), there is one man who walks in front of Hillary. Almost immediately, she seems to have some jerky motions. She was also wearing the blue glasses which some stories have noted are to reduce seizures. So, did the sudden movement in front of her cause a seizure? My father had a couple episodes of dizziness caused by a person walking suddenly and rapidly in front of him.
It will be interesting to read the medical information disclosed by each candidate.
liz:
In what manner are you using the word “seizures”?
Hillary Clinton has never been seen or photographed or documented to have ever had a seizure. A seizure is a very specific medical term.
She has had a few very brief moments where her movements have been a bit herky-jerky. These do not conform to “seizures” nor do they conform to Parkinson’s. I may write a post about this.
Look, I don’t have an iota of support for Hillary, but I think a great deal of this speculation is just medically incorrect and pretty much on the level of something like the Enquirer (and yes, sometimes they print truth, such as the John Edwards sex story, but very very often they just are throwing garbage around such as the Cruz mistresses story).
“. . . I don’t have an iota of support for Hillary, but I think a great deal of this speculation is just medically incorrect and pretty much on the level of something like the Enquirer . . . .” [Neo @ 3:12]
I agree, but the difficulty is that Hillary has such a history of mendacity (Safire’s “congenital liar”) that its difficult to dismiss all of this as wild ramblings and conspiracy theory even though it may be exactly that. So what would that mean about the American public’s ability or unwillingness to believe her as a commander-in-chief? How could her administration accomplish anything at all?
I’ve been so dehydrated that, during a short nap, I dreamed of swimming in a pool of lime kool ade with ice cubes in it.
I had to dehydrate to the extent I had granny hands and leg cramps.
Nothing like this.
What would be interesting is if–see the conditional–it turns out she has something more serious than pneumonia and her staff and hangers-on knew it.
Would the dem operatives with bylines turn on the staff for lying to them? Would the staff have the grace to blush?
Would we be treated to stories about how, say, Parkinson’s makes you a better, more compassionate person?
Yeah, I’m really interested in the upshot if this turns out to be a fib.
Neo – by seizure – I was referring to the jerky movement, but I realize that there are many forms of seizures ranging from extreme movements to freezing of activity. Since this was a discussion of health issues, perhaps it was the incorrect word to use.
But, she was wearing an unusual color lens which is supposed to reduce a reaction from lights or patterns. So, I was wondering if the sudden movement of the aide crossing in front of her triggered a reaction. I referred to the reaction that my dad had with a similar motion (after flying,walking in a crowded airport and then have someone walk rapidly and close to him). Mom resolved the issue by asking for those cart rides for elderly, for her of course. 😉
Terms aside, I do find the changing health explanations to be frustrating.
A post on seizures would be very informative. Another post could be on “phobia” which I always thought was the irrational fear of something to the point where it impacts your everyday life. Having a concern about something should not be classified as having a “phobia”.
liz.
Wrt “phobia” The wrong kind of concern is called a “phobia” in order to discredit any discussion about it.
Or “racist”. I forget which. Maybe both.
Richard – good point!
I know that if I dislike Obama’s policies, then I am a “racist” and that any blacks who also disliked his policies are called “Uncle Toms”.
So, if I dislike Hillary because of her policies, what I am called? I can’t be a sexist since I am female? I haven’t seen any catchy term to label females who are against Hillary.
We need some cheat sheets to keep all the terms straight.