At war with ISIS: at least Hollande says it
The latest atrocity committed by ISIS followers/admirers/members in France had an overtly religious target:
Francois Hollande says France is at war with ISIS after two Islamist knifemen butchered a French priest and left a nun fighting for her life before they were both shot dead by police in Normandy.
One of the men who stormed into the church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray near Rouen during mass was a local man, who was being monitored by electronic tag after being jailed for trying to join fanatics in Syria.
The 84-year-old priest, named as Jacques Hamel, had his throats cut while a nun is critically injured in hospital following the raid which saw five people held hostage by ISIS assailants shouting Allahu Akbar.
That attack was unequivocal as Islamist terrorism. It contains ISIS’s signature method of killing. The perpetrators explicitly claimed ISIS affiliation and declared their faith. And one perpetrator was a “local man” who was not only “known” to police—as are so many perpetrators of Islamist terrorism and general mayhem—but had already declared an intense interest in “joining fanatics in Syria.” Most people with any judgment and decency whatsoever are trying to get out of Syria, not into it.
I wonder what electronic monitoring is supposed to do in a case like that, if it didn’t stop this attack or warn authorities. The article says the following: “His bail terms allowed him to be unsupervised between 8.30am and 12.30pm – the attack happened between 9am and 11am. ” I guess the French police thought you can’t commit a murder between those hours? Because if they didn’t think this guy was a terrorism risk, they weren’t thinking.
Here’s how it occurred:
A spokesman for the Interior Ministry in Paris had earlier said that the men had crept into the church via a back entrance during a morning service, soon after 9am. The two men seized the priest, two sisters from a local order, and two parishioners.
‘A third nun escaped and raised the alarm, and anti-terrorists officers were on the scene within minutes,’ said a source who lives locally. ‘It appears that the priest who was celebrating the service was attacked first, and had his throat cut.
That brings back the olden days, doesn’t it? “Medieval” is too kind a word for such an attack. Civilization must defend and protect itself, but civilization may have become too civilized to do that effectively.
I’m waiting for the tipping point, the spark plug event which ignites a groundswell of “Enough!” followed by a Reconqusta. I’m also wondering if it will happen at all.
This isn’t that all that far from Calais, where all those people are waiting to cross into Britain. I’m sure this played into the Brexit vote, and I bet the Brits are happy now.
You just can’t have people who live in fancy neighborhoods making human rights laws for people who have no concept of the term. You can’t have do-gooders who underestimate the difficulty of assimilating people from a very different culture.
I wonder how people would react if someone posted those Bush Miss Me Yet posters around Europe. They sure were happy to jump on the waterboarding, NSA, and Abu Ghraib scandals to trash him.
crusades? correction
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
Unbelievably heartbreaking.
Is the West going to accept the new normal of one “lone wolf” ISIS/jihadi attack per day?!? When will they recognize that the collective action of these “lone wolves” is an orchestrated wolf pack attack?
“This isn’t that all that far from Calais, where all those people are waiting to cross into Britain. “
And…destroying Calais in the process. If you haven’t read this yet, you should. This may well be the future of all of Europe.
“We are finished, we are dead”.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/02/calais-we-are-finished-we-are-dead/
Lizzy, wow. What the hell is wrong with the French? They used to be so self pleased with and certain of their culture. Are really going to submit?
NO. We are not finished. We simply have not yet come to the place where we know, for a certainty, we have to destroy these creatures, root and branch. We will but probably only after many thousands have died in attacks like this or attacks taking many more lives.
“When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!”
I have to wonder just how well France’s permanent state of emergency is thwarting these terrorist attacks; especially after Hollande extended the state of emergency for another six months, after the attack in Nice.
Unless…the state of emergency really isn’t imposed to thwart islamic terrorists.
KRB
Neo is correct: We have become too civilized to protect civilization. And we, particularly Europe, have become way too selfish and self-centered….If it happens to others, ah, well, as long as we can go on with our own lives, having orgasms but not children.
My children, all grown, are my greatest blessing.
In their defense I welcome an uprising, a Crusade, but a successful one this time. From the theological standpoint, Islam may be the punishment for our collective Sodom-and-Gomorrah sins. We must rise up in righteous wrath, while seeking forgiveness for our sins.
No US flag visible at the DNC yesterday, according to Gateway Pundit. But a Soviet flag outside, and Palestinian flag inside.
Sounds like the Old Testament, no?
You can’t have a war, or a state of emergency, against people who just like to do that stuff. There are no communications you can interrupt or follow, no logistics you can cut, and no way to tell the bad actors from their coreligionists until after the act.
A leader of the region’s Muslim organization said, and other reports confirm it, that one of these guys had been on a watch list. Had an ankle bracelet.
I knew a guy who had one of those installed as he left court. Pulled into a Burger King on the way home and the cops noticed.
And another jihadi, who was arrested after he called the French version of 911 because he shot himself, had a load of weapons in his car–possibly a dead woman although it may have been another car–and a “hit list” of churches, of which this church was one.
After a while, the watch list gets too big, I guess, along with the hit lists.
The new normal.
The thing is all this ISIS stuff was avoidable. If Obama would have crushed them early, many of these attacks would not have happened. Success breeds success.
And, of courses Hillary’s and Barack’s massive failure in the ME caused the greatest Muslim migration in history.
Well the ‘good news’ for the left is, that the he Sacre-Coeur Basilica is on the target list. Should make them happy.
The bad news is that a significant portion of the French population still cannot recognize who the enemy behind the enemy is, even when one of the miscreants is speechifying right in front of them.
My husband and I were in Rouen in May and visited the Cathedral there. We also went to Sacre-Coeur (I went there in December as well). An attack at that church would be quite a bold plan. It is always teeming with people because they like to sit on the steps or stand in the area because of the beautiful views of the city. I question not alerting church authorities to the existence of a list. Maybe they have, but I would be surprised. I wonder if the citizens of our country have been apprised if they are on that list we’ve heard about.
In the US, defeating Islam required a certain timeline. A set of prerequisites must be met first.
The GOP had to be purged, so that firepower could be focused on the Leftist alliance as traitors and enemies to humanity. Only then, could the forces be diverted to take on Islam, afterwards, who also are enemies of humanity.
In Europe, while they take longer getting there, the basic requirements are the same. They need to replace or get rid of their treasonous internal factions and parties. Root and branch. Only then will they have the power and resources to take on Islam.
The problem with that theoretical platform of course, is that the enemy has a vote too. They get to decide how to push things. And as Islam pushes your face in, as you divide your forces to fight internal battles… well, that’s not exactly good for your military strategy.
As you certainly know, the Sacre-Coeur church has an explicit historical meaning that goes beyond that of a cultural artifact from some distant past. Its construction was relatively recent and it apparently still chafes the left, as it exists as a continuing pronouncement by traditional France upon the murderous excesses of the radical secular left.
ISIS is probably not the only group in France that would like to see it ruined.
Sharon W,
Even if French authorities have alerted churches and other potential targets about the existence of a list, I can guarantee that it would not have stopped this priest from celebrating Mass as he did every day in the parish under his care. He is a true martyr, as are any other victims who died in the attack.
It’s so horrifying and heartbreaking…there are no words. At a morning mass on a weekday (in the western world) it is
generally just a few attendees such as daily communicants and perhaps nuns, as was the case in this French church.
Related, when I traveled to Rome earlier this year it was impossible not to notice that Italians are on the alert. Every major church, metro station, and even some international schools inside and outside the city have a pair of armed military officers standing guard (with automatic weapons). Even heavier security around The Varican area, including guards and metal detectors to get into St Peters basilica. There is a pronounced sense among the locals that Italy, and Rome in particular, is past due for such an attack.
Hollande declaring war upon ISIS is at best an example of willful blindness. If ISIS were destroyed tomorrow, Islam would birth another set of monsters.
Hollande, Merkel and other Western European leaders cannot admit that Islam is the source of ISIS, al Qaeda, etc. because then Muslims bear responsibility for the monstrous ideology they support.
Those leaders want the violence to end but they’re OK with an ever increasing Muslim pop. because they have an agenda best clarified by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbé¡n, “what we face is nothing less than the challenge of finding ourselves at the gateway to the implementation of a deliberate conceptual project, which could be described as left-wing and which seeks to marginalize the nation states of Europe.
Where this project has failed to overcome Christianity and the identity of the nation state – and the [cultural] values and responsibility springing from it – in conventional political struggle, it will strive to eliminate it on ethnic grounds.”
Christianity is of course a minor factor in Western Europe but still a major factor in Eastern Europe, where they still “cling to their bibles and guns”.
Western European leaders are advocates of multiculturalism and cannot admit that Muslim cultures will never assimilate.
CV–I wasn’t suggesting that perhaps priests would cease celebrating Mass. I am a daily communicant and have attended many Masses in France. Of course the murdered priest is a martyr. I was simply addressing the possibility of increasing awareness among the clergy and laity. It is time to start thinking proactively at these “soft targets”.
Time to go berserker. It fact, long past time. Forget about ‘nation building’ and winning hearts and minds. Its time to go great satan. No quarter, no mercy, revel in collateral damage; in other words total war. All of islam must bow down and submit to the superiority of Western Civilization. Blockade their ports and put in place no fly zones. Starve them into submission.
It can be done, but hundreds of thousands must die before the people of the West throw out the enablers and demand total war.
When I asked our priest (about 55 years old, from Ireland–highly intelligent and regarded), in a group setting, what would happen if I’m at church using the Lady’s Room and a man walks in, in women’s clothes, (Governor Brown had signed that legislation–choose your own bathroom, locker room back in August 2013), his response was, “Who hasn’t used a bathroom of the other sex, when needed?” The lack of understanding of the intention of these onslaughts against our culture, whether they emanate from Islamists or leftists is truly hard to believe.
He understands. His non-answer answer is that it doesn’t matter. The pretend woman’s desire for “self expression” and feelings of affirmation are more important to that priest than your bodily privacy and dignity; which are, in their very essence “exclusionary”, and examples of privilege.
“All are welcome” has thus replaced “Lord have mercy”. But you know that; and I know that you know.
Think of the term “self-expression” and what it fully implies. Does not self-expression generally (not always) involve some kind of audience or other who is the target of the expression?
I was trying to figure out the motivation behind that transvestite shit some years ago, when the question suddenly occurred to me: What if they minced around women’s clothes where no one else was? Would they get the same thrill out of it? Or, (and here is the crux) is what they are doing, in its essence some kind of socially embedded act requiring for its/their fulfillment your, or at least someone else’s, participation as they pretend to be women?
The answer instantly becomes obvious when looking at the transgender cases. Your reaction to them, their being validated in their choice, is what they want; not some anonymous ability to drape themselves in culturally relative gender garb.
As Obama says: “mere tolerance is not enough.”
That’s why this crap never ends. It isn’t about them alone: it’s about them using you.
Eventually you either have to give in or put a stop to it somehow.
At least our Tradition-minded clergy take this seriously. I wonder what the Pope will say. B16’s critique of the difficulty of reform in islam comes to mind.
Why in Germany was someone scheduled to be deported allowed to go free? Why was an ISIS follower in France released with an ankle monitor? The do-gooders won’t let the governments enforce their laws. You don’t have to deport all Muslims. I personally know some in Germany and France who are happy to be here and fully assimilated. But it has to be made clear to everyone that our laws will be obeyed or else they will be severely punished or deported immediately. When we show a little strength about defending ourselves, the strong men who are now setting the tone in Muslim enclaves will lose power there.
The Democrats didn’t mention terror or ISIS once yesterday at their convention. I’m not watching it — have they said anything today?
Geoffrey Britain –
Doesn’t Richard Landes at The Augean Stables call that “democide” ? Killing off one’s own people?
I can’t think of the exact quote or who said it, but the gist was: Government, becoming tired of the stubborn willfulness of its citizens, decides to remove them and install a whole new group that will be easier to control…
But . . . why replace civilized, law-abiding, Westernized citizens with MUSLIMS? The ONLY places on earth where groups-of-Muslims DON’T run riot is where the ruling despot has a massive military or police presence who are KNOWN to kill (or “disappear”) ANYONE at ANY time, for even a rude gesture.
Is that really what our “Western leaders” want? – the opportunity to behave like the worst of the Pol Pots or Allendes or Ceaucescus of history, free to murder dissenters on a whim? — because importing Muslims-as-citizens will SURELY necessitate just such a thuggish state apparatus to control them.
But . . . why replace civilized, law-abiding, Westernized citizens with MUSLIMS? The ONLY places on earth where groups-of-Muslims DON’T run riot is where the ruling despot has a massive military or police presence who are KNOWN to kill (or “disappear”) ANYONE at ANY time, for even a rude gesture.
Most of those refugee invaders came from Turkey. And Turkey will most likely be the next Sunni Caliphate. Question then becomes… where is the Caliph? Islamic State has a candidate but… well, there may be contenders.
Is that really what our “Western leaders” want?
Probably. They care about taxes, not about whether white or local children get raped or not.
All of islam must bow down and submit to the superiority of Western Civilization.
Parker, that may be exactly what Allah wants. For Christians to lose the Holy Ghost via shedding of blood, vengeance, use of secular might against divine connection. Once you lose that divine connection, then Lucifer can bring in his reserves. Even if Islam is wiped out to the last man and woman, the war of good and evil still continues on this planet. If 95% of Christians become stained with blood guilt, well that’s not a defeat for Lucifer.
Sharon, what you stood in there wasn’t a church of Christ. It was a shrine to Lucifer, the spirit of lies. They claim to bow down to a Heavenly King, but their actual King is on this planet, and isn’t even particularly a politician.
A_Nonny_Mouse,
They are transnationalists, which posits that nationalism is the root of all conflict between peoples. They are also multiculturalists, a necessary philosophical pillar of transnationalism. Dissolving national boundaries is a necessary precursor to dissolving cultural cohesion the necessary foundation to nations.
Add to that Europe’s social welfare state’s low birth rates, low labor participation rates, ‘generous’ benefits, early retirements and cradle to grave ‘protective benefits’ and an ever increasing amount of immigrants is essential to keeping the social welfare Ponzi scheme going.
Europe never looked at the likelihood of an immigrant culture’s ability to assimilate. They didn’t because to do so would have called into question multiculturalism’s premises, which would have in turn threatened transnationalism’s validity.
Now, it’s too late. Europe’s leadership is caught between the proverbial “rock and a hard place” they can’t survive Muslim immigration and they can’t survive without it.
Ok, Hollande has said France is at war with ISIS. It’s nice that he noticed. Obama has yet to figure that out. Now what?
This war is not one we can win by standing on the defensive. France is proof of that. There are thousands of police and soldiers guarding places all over France, from the Eifel Tower to Jewish schools. But the jihadists can always strike at places that are not guarded, or whose guards they can overwhelm. And the guards are themselves targets. Anything and everything is a target; every school, every public building, every government office, every hospital, every bridge and mile of track. There is no way to guard it all.
This war is also an ideological one. The jihadists have their ideology of Muslim world conquest and a new Caliphate. It is an attractive one for Muslims, who would get to swagger around and lord it over the wretched dhimmis. They would take the wealth of the dhimmis and live high on the camel’s hump until. We must counter that ideology with one of our own.
That would be prosperity and liberty in the modern world. One of the purposes of the Iraq Campaign was to present that ideology and show it working in Iraq. We had to stay there and help it along, so when Obama pulled out we lost the chance to encourage it. Now Iraq has retrogressed, and we have lost ground in the ideological war.
Of course, most of the government never realized that we had an ideological war on our hands. I read a story in Robert Reilly’s book “The Closing of the Muslim Mind” about an interrogator at Gitmo who was discussing philosophy with one of the prisoners. The prisoner was interested in reading Aristotle when the American mentioned him, so at his request the American tried to get the prison library to get a copy of some of Aristotle’s works in Arabic. The librarians never responded. They got Qurans and nature books with lots of pictures, but it never occurred to them to stock books of philosophy
Reilly traces the crisis of today to the rejection of reason and philosophy by Muslim theologians and ulema and worship of an Allah who is pure will to power, which was completed over a thousand years ago. He calls it Islam’s intellectual suicide. Christianity and Judaisim escaped this trap by the efforts of St. Thomas Aquinas and Moses Maimonides in reconciling revelation and reason. Reilly’s is a very interesting book.
Summing it all up:
http://counterjihad.com/sharias-incompatibility-with-western-values-explained
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expat Says:
July 26th, 2016 at 5:54 pm
Why in Germany was someone scheduled to be deported allowed to go free? Why was an ISIS follower in France released with an ankle monitor? The do-gooders won’t let the governments enforce their laws. You don’t have to deport all Muslims. I personally know some in Germany and France who are happy to be here and fully assimilated. But it has to be made clear to everyone that our laws will be obeyed or else they will be severely punished or deported immediately. When we show a little strength about defending ourselves, the strong men who are now setting the tone in Muslim enclaves will lose power there.
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We lost the chance to make that point easily (and relatively cheaply) a long time ago.
Making it now will be very costly, and there don’t seem to be many people in government who want to make the effort — most are actively enabling the Muslim invasion!
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From another blog, the commenter Anonymous said…
Just out: The Ansbach attacker was a long time member of AlQaeda and Jabhat al Nusra.
Germany probably wasn’t aware of this when they allowed him to stay for therapy.
Compassionate Germans are fully aware that refugees may have gone through terrible atrocities. They are having more trouble with the notion that some of these ‘refugees’ ARE those atrocities, and nobody is checking.
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Excellent point; PowerLine makes a similar one about the Normandy attackers today:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/07/in-normandy-isis-soldiers-slit-priests-throat-take-nuns-hostage.php
The circumstances of the attack raise yet more questions about the French government’s response to the threat of terrorism. One of the attackers reportedly was a convicted terrorist being monitored with an electronic tag while living with his parents. He was allowed out unsupervised between 8.30 a.m. and 12.30 p.m. The mass he attacked began at 9 a.m.
Unbelievable.
In addition, the church was one of a number of Catholic places of worship on a hit list discovered on an ISIS suspect in April 2015. Maybe the French government didn’t take the list seriously (but when I visited the fabulous Reims Cathedral in July 2015 at least three heavily armed soldiers were on the premises). Maybe it assumed, somehow, the list had an expiration date – just as it apparently assumed before the Nice attack earlier this month that the threat of terrorism had diminished because a soccer tournament had ended.
Unbelievable.
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Exactly what I thought about both points, but in fact it is all too believable.
It’s as if the security forces simply don’t believe these people mean what they say.
So everyone is surprised when they actually DO it.
Now, they might argue that there are X people in the same category (convicted terrorist wannabes) who haven’t attacked anyone, but are you willing to bet your life that no more of them will? Or is there a certain percentage of recidivist X’s that France (or any country) is willing to accept?
There will be a tipping point soon, and the consequences won’t be pretty.