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  1. I have disliked Trump for more than thirty years and cannot bring myself to vote for him (despite liking his children, whose character does matter to a small extent), but I feel increasing anger towards the anti-Trumpians, who seem not to care about helping to ensure the election of the thoroughly corrupt, mendacious and incompetent HRC. If for no other reason than the fate of the SCOTUS, conservatives at NRO and elsewhere should refrain from denigrating the Donald.

  2. 1. That speech will go some distance to persuade the undecideds. That’s 20%. More people paid attention. For me, it was old hat.

    2. Neo covers a point for many of us here. We are similar. We are rational and analytic thinkers. But we are a small number. That’s why so many here backed Carly and Ted.

    Trump has an emotional appeal to your lizard brain. The whole WWE thing. “We’re Americans and we are going to kick the butts of (fill in the blank).”

    More people vote based upon emotion and facts. That’s how Obama won. Cool and historic young and likable black guy. Denzel Washington playing JFK and Michelle as Jackie.

    The only emotional card Hillary can play is the woman card. On a rational basis, she is a historic liar and policy failure. Secretary of the Status Quo.

    3. I think the speech is better in little sound bites. That’s what it really was.

  3. Look, I’ve never been a fan of Trump’s and by that I mean going all the way back to the “Art of the Deal” days. But it’s really quite simple – the guy could be a whole lot worse and I would still vote for him with gusto against the Dowager Countess of Chappaqua.
    You’re probably heard the line that voting for Trump is like getting in a fast car with a drunk teenage boy at the wheel – very scary, but you could actually survive it and get somewhere. Voting for Madame Herself is like soaking your clothes in gasoline and diving into a dumpster fire.

  4. Listened to some of my co-workers earlier today. One of them was talking about how bad and scary Trump’s speech was (FYI – I didn’t watch it, nor did I watch any of the rest of the convention). Later on, I threw out a comment about how Hillary belonged in prison, and his response was basically –

    1.). Everyone does it
    2.). Trump hasn’t released his taxes

  5. The comments have yet to address why Trump supporters continue to deem Cruz as an evil snake who is a sociopath.

    If criticizing Trump is wrong, then is Cruz still evil for not criticizing Trump?

    As for the anti Trump GOP establishment, were any of you upset at the anti Palin GOp Establishment?

  6. Listened to some of my co-workers earlier today.

    That same unthinking Loyalty to evil is what will happen to pro Trumpers as well, win or lose. If they lose, they’ll use Leftist psychology to blame others, like the GOP E or Cruz. If they win, they’ll use their Power domination to declare themselves kings, vassals of kings, and ultimately morally righteous (except now for white nationalists).

    White nationalists, are basically 1830s Southern Democrat slave lords. White patriots, slightly different.

  7. Blue-State conundrum
    I disliked Trump immediately, but only became well exposed to him recently (this primary cycle). I have agreed pretty much with everything Neo has written about both Trump and Hillary and the dangerous direction Bernie has pulled the Democrats to. Sometimes, when Trump champions some of my issues, especially immigration, I feel like voting for him. I also feel like voting for Trump when I witness the Democrats pandering to their open-borders and pacifistic and BLM constituents.

    But, as a voter in thoroughly blue California, I know my vote won’t make a difference in which one wins California’s electoral votes. Therefore my main question is, If Trump is going to lose California, don’t I want it to be in a landslide so that he and his enthusiasts are thoroughly defeated?

    Even though I won’t lift a finger to support Trump, I might be glad if he wins the general election so that I can watch the spectacle he would create. I will be most fearful of a Hillary victory for its pacifism on national security and BLM threats.

  8. Ymarsakar:

    Why do so many Trump supporters continue to deem Cruz as an evil snake who is a sociopath? Some or all of the following reasons: (a) they are Alinskyites; (b) they are alt-right (c) they are following Trump’s lead (d) they are leftists trying to destroy the right (e) that’s just the way they roll: destroy the enemy with every tool available, and don’t think one iota about morality or truth.

    Trump did it to every rival he had during this campaign (and he’s done it to rivals, opponents, and critics, for most of his adult life).

  9. Interesting point, Alan. We’re all being told that lack of support for one candidate is essentially support for the other. But for citizens of about 43 states, a vote for one or the other doesn’t have any electoral effect. For citizens of about 7 states, a vote for one or the other has a one-in-a-million chance of having an impact. A third-party vote or no vote at all will have the exact same practical impact as a vote for either of the two major candidates.

  10. But, as a voter in thoroughly blue California, I know my vote won’t make a difference in which one wins California’s electoral votes. Therefore my main question is, If Trump is going to lose California, don’t I want it to be in a landslide so that he and his enthusiasts are thoroughly defeated?
    ———————

    As a fellow Californian, I think there might be a slight chance that the state is in play. Remember that Trump appeals to an unusual group of individuals, and he might be able to pull in some surprising allies.

    Of course, also note that word “slight”.

    I’d advise you to watch the polls going forward and keep an eye on things in general to determine the likelihood of the state being in play in November.

    As for whether you should try and contribute to Trump being beaten in a landslide…

    It’s California. If Trump *is* beaten in a landslide, no one’s going to care because it’s California.

  11. Well, you could always vote for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. Your 1 vote is probably not going to change the outcome in your state because Trump will either win by more than one vote, or lose by more than 1 vote. A vote for Johnson is a vote for less government. It is highly likely that Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states. https://www.lp.org/2016-presidential-ballot-access-map

  12. Nick:

    I believe that thinking like that is a fallacy. Maybe not technically a fallacy, exactly, but an error.

    It is true for the individual vote, of course, but taken to extremes that sort of argument means no one should vote. Which is absurd, of course.

    It’s somewhat like saying that the odds against any particular individual being born are astronomical.

    And yet we have all been born, so we defy the odds.

    Voters vote as individuals, but trends are aggregates. I don’t have time to find the quote now, but one excellent author who was a young man in Germany during Hitler’s time says that as one person there was nothing he could have done, but if many thousands of people had gotten together, something could have been done.

    We are all unique, but we act as part of groups the individual members of which are all doing the same thing, and it adds up. Turnout is an unknown in this race. Almost everything is unknown in this race, actually.

  13. In many elections I’ve felt I was voting for the lesser of two evils. This year it is literally true. In a country of 300 million people there are many more qualified but the failure of our political leaders has brought us two bad choices. I have no idea how to change the system except to pray that the winner turns out better than I imagine.

    As for my personal vote, I’m in Texas which will almost certainly go to Trump. Consequently, I get to ease my conscience by voting for Gary Johnson. That’s what I did in 2012.

  14. It’s a fallacy at the aggregate, but on the individual level it’s a correct response to the “then you might as well be supporting the other one” kind of argument. Such an argument depends on the practical impact of an individual vote.

  15. Nick:

    No, that’s not what the argument depends on, in my opinion. It seems to depend on that, but when you (or anyone else) make a decision, you are not unique; you stand for many people making the same decision in the same manner, and that’s what determines the outcome.

    We are individuals, but we are also part of trends. My sitemeter is a great illustration of that fact. Everyone who comes here each day is an individual, but you’d be amazed how stable the traffic tends to be (unless there’s a big link from someone like Instapundit, or unless there’s some dramatic occurrence that day).

  16. Trumps crazy CSPAN interview this morning had the effect on Scott Johnson at Powerline to say,

    “The Republican Party has hitched its caboose to an utterly bizarre character. I would prefer not to see a President Hillary but I can’t celebrate Trump or pretend everything is copacetic. It’s not even within the realm of normality”

    This is P.J. O’Rourke’s call that Hillary is awful but in a normal sense!

    I gave Gary Johnson $100 today if only to make sure he is in the debates.

  17. I was actually knocked out by his speech but maybe I’m being a bit of a sucker. He was on point, passionate, and I believed him. That was the crucial thing, or one, for me – I believed him. He also listed policy points I agree with and that are crucial now: law and order, destroying ISIS, very crucially NOT allowing in Muslim immigrants/refugees from the ME or countries that are full of radicals until we know we can vet them (and that may never happen). I am not as savvy about trade but “fair” trade deals sound right to me. However, I am not as sure about NATO, his ideas about that, and in general he is a bit authoritarian for my taste. However… I was impressed and I did not think I would be.

    Now of course I am rethinking that for all the reasons you give in this post Neo. We can sum that up by saying his character… and his lack of record. I will probably vote for him but not with any enthusiasm, and while that can change between now and November I don’t think it will. I did get enthusiastic for a moment there listening to this speech. Maybe I am wrong about this guy? I hope so!

    I did think throughout the speech that Hillary is in deep shit. He actually might win. The speech was framed to cast her as the old bad, the status quo, and it was successful. People are hurting these days economically and the police shootings and recent escalation of Jihadi terrorist attacks are very alarming. He just might win. I really hope that the man I glimpsed for a moment here and there in that speech, a man committed to certain principles, not just to winning, comes through. I really do!

  18. “The Republican Party has hitched its caboose to an utterly bizarre character. I would prefer not to see a President Hillary but I can’t celebrate Trump or pretend everything is copacetic. It’s not even within the realm of normality”

    Yep. Cruz really, really gets under his skin. Maybe the greatest effect of Cruz’s speech was to set him off and give us an opportunity once again to see just how nuts Trump is.

  19. geokstr:

    Yes, I was going to write about Trump’s Cruz Derangement Syndrome, except of course he does that sort of thing to anyone who angers him, so it’s not primarily (pun intended) about Cruz.

    Trump is a Machiavellian, Alinskyite, vile, lying POS. I don’t usually use language like that in this blog, but he is, and he has been for a long time.

    Unfortunately, he’s up against another person (Hillary Clinton) with roughly the same characteristics. Not exactly, but roughly. That is America’s dilemma, and it comes down to which Machiavellian, Alinskyite etc. POS has political viewpoints with which you agree most.

  20. It’s like Trump is trying to throw the election Hillary by focusing on Cruz. It’s like that was the agreement. But come on Trump, the least you can do is pretend to fight to win. You want that White House in DC don’t you? Forget about Hillary RodDamn Clinton for once in their New York life.

  21. Trump is a Machiavellian, Alinskyite, vile, lying POS. I don’t usually use language like that in this blog, but he is, and he has been for a long time.

    He’s a 70 yo Demoncrat, Neo, what did you expect? If you had lacked the WIllpower to confront the evils of those zombies on the Left, and spent decades justifying your evil and refusing to repent, it’s high likely anyone can become like that. Especially with fame and fortune.

  22. I chose the word “conundrum” carefully. It means “a confusing and difficult problem or question”. For me in blue California, I am thinking about how I alone should vote; I am not advocating for the #never Trumpers. If I lived in a swing state, it would be the devil I know vs. the one I don’t know. As bad as I know the Hillary and the Dems are, Trump could be worse or not nearly so bad.

    I will watch polls carefully. A change there could really my calculation. Also, I might come to see the vote as a referendum on a critical issue, such as pacifism vs. strong defense.

    Neo said above, “. . . that I just might have to vote for someone as despicable as [Trump], and I resent deeply being placed in that position.” If October polls show that California is hopelessly blue, I will feel comfortable in not voting.

    Gary Johnson is just as bad as Hillary or Trump in my mind because of his rigid pacifistic isolationism.

  23. Trump is a Machiavellian, Alinskyite, vile, lying POS. … Unfortunately, he’s up against another person (Hillary Clinton) with roughly the same characteristics.

    But what if he’s also just plain old-fashioned crazy? Hillary’s a lot of things, but I don’t think she’s crazy.

  24. Ann:

    Which would be worse, “crazy” or “Machiavellian, Alinskyite, vile, lying POS”? Both can do damage, but in different ways. And of course, if the latter, it depends what his true goals are.

    Lovely dilemma, lovely people, lovely choice.

  25. Coming to the airwaves this fall, the “Daisy” advert, target all republicans, but especially Donald.

  26. Neo wrote:
    Trump is a Machiavellian, Alinskyite, vile, lying POS. I don’t usually use language like that in this blog,

    🙂 You are honest.

    I’m half hoping Trump is elected – though I’m pretty sure I won’t vote for him because at least he would be held accountable by the press. Hillary will not be held accountable and could do ANYTHING she wanted with no recourse.

  27. Wouldn’t this all be wonderfully entertaining if it were happening elsewhere? Wouldn’t we laugh at the French? Wouldn’t we feel superior to a Third World country?

    I expect that there are chuckles and chortles in various parts of the world.

    I have heard the pap about the wisdom of the electorate most of my life. After three straight election cycles, maybe we can put that fantasy to bed.

    Baklava, your point is well taken; but, probably irrelevant because he won’t care what the press says, and his legions will applaud when he treats them with disdain, or worse.

    .

  28. Neo: “Trump is a Machiavellian, Alinskyite, vile, lying POS.”

    Yep. But then so are/were Obama, Bill Clinton, and LBJ; just to name a few. Politics attracts a certain type of person. The voters are often fooled because most are LIVs.

    We have to ask ourselves if we agree with any of the policy prescriptions of the Democrats. If not, why would we vote for Hillary or Gary Johnson. The Republican platform has the things in it that we support. Trump is a flawed human, but he’s not a one man band. He needs Congress. Unlike the first black president or the first woman President (should HRC be elected), both Dems, (and we know how the Dems can circle the wagons to protect a fellow Dems) he is vulnerable to impeachment and intensive scrutiny by the MSM (the communications arm of the Democrat Party). That is why I don’t fear his potential authoritarianism. Also, I think Mike Pence is an honorable man, (as honorable as politicians get, anyway) and I don’t think he would have gone for the VP job if he thought Trump was a total con man.

  29. I did see the Obama speech in 2004 and knew then if no one else did that he was being set up for and probably would be the next president if the Dems were successful in jockeying him for the position as giving him the floor on that occasion was intended to do. I knew this because I saw in that moment the protagonist of Ralph Ellison’s novel Invisible Man shining through in Barack Obama. He seemed to step out directly from the pages of that book in every sense. Like that protagonist he seemed to have a poise and delivery that people reacted to and he was community organizer (rabble rouser). I knew instantly his intent and purpose which the last 8 years have realized as I suspected they would if all went according to plan. It feels strange to say that now. If you ever read the book I think you will see what I mean.

  30. This election will continue and exponentially exacerbate the tarring of the conservative brand, regardless of the outcome.

    Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain and Romney were all centrists, yet slammed as ultra-conservative by the Marxist slime machine. Now we have a nasty liberal Democrat poseur who will be attacked the same way, even if he gets elected and morphs into the second coming of BHO, because no matter what, there will always be a farther left to aim for.

  31. Neo:
    “He also says frightening and irresponsible things on a regular basis in the realm of foreign policy.”

    Trump says demonstrably false Russian propaganda about the US things on a regular basis in the realm of foreign policy.

    liberty wolf:
    “He also listed policy points I agree with and that are crucial now: … destroying ISIS”

    The problem with the ISIS part of Trump’s speech is it was a glove fit with the Russian, Assad, Iran strategy with ISIS:
    https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/russia-needs-the-islamic-state-to-save-assad/

    In that regard, Trump’s ISIS strategy promises to pick up from Obama’s ISIS strategy.

  32. Eric:

    Regarding Trump and Putin: what will Artfldgr have to say about that? Trump being played by Putin, the Russian ex-KGB? Or worse, knowing, not being played, and agreeing with Putin?

    Inconceivable!

  33. “he’s not a one man band. He needs Congress… he is vulnerable to impeachment and intensive scrutiny by the MSM. That is why I don’t fear his potential authoritarianism” – J.J.

    We expect that MSM pressure will move Congress to box trump in, is that a correct paraphrase?

    Assuming so, it is a HUGE leap of faith that this will come to fruition.

    What we have seen does not bear this out.

    How much MSM pressure was there on GWB during the Iraq war. Dems wanted to impeach him, yet, did that stop him? NO!

    The so called monolithic “establishment” that conservative media was harping on all these years, were they able to stop trump? NO! In fact, the party and much of that media embarrassingly, easily and quickly fell behind trump.

    As to the honor of Pence, well, he is an example of those who will fall in line. He is near the end of his career, politically, and is offered a chance for VP (and later maybe President) – probably his only chance at high office, with a second term as governor on shaky ground.

    Rather more incentive to fall in line vs much of the rest of the party. Otherwise hard to square the distance between what he had stood for and much of what trump has said.

    It is rather easy to convince ourselves to believe that trump just cannot possibly be as bad as we fear he might, to defer to others who are somehow “smarter” than us and believe they are as principled to do the right thing, and that sanity and coolheadedness, will exist in others and in our governing structures to contain trump from ever getting to a worst case scenario.

    If trump discusses extremes, or staggeringly alarming positions, we ought to believe he is willing to go there. We ought to believe his behavior, past and present, will continue.

    If others, particularly in leadership positions, are prepared to suddenly and dramatically alter their stances that they had consistently espoused to us for a long time, we cannot trust their “judgement” as necessarily being in line with our own interests.

    If we believe that the system is rigged and is working against us, we cannot expect that same system (and people) in blocking a rogue president, especially after p*ssing us all off for the past eight years at NOT blocking the current potus.

    We cannot expect the process, that (might) get trump elected, would somehow have the ability to stop him afterward if he turns for the worse.

    We are lulling ourselves.

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