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  1. Turkey began as an evil Empire, they’ll end as one. Fitting.

    Good thing Russia got that port in Crimea, called Sevastopol now. They have a good bid to retake Anatolia and Constantinople, once TUrkey is out of NATO and the EU.

  2. And of course our Beloved Leader stands with Erdogan. I’m sure he would try the same thing here if he thought he could get away with it. All those millions of rounds of ammo for the Dept. of Agriculture (and others) ought to be put to some good use.

  3. Of course he goes after the teachers! Aren’t teachers the gray eminences behind most coups? 🙂

    If Trump wins, I hope he funds the Kurds. Make Turkey a rump state.

  4. I was stationed in Incirlik in 1995. Turkey is at least different than other countries, some of which went from only knowing oppression to a new oppression. (referring to Arab spring).

    Hopefully more Turks will soon know what they losing.

  5. Gringo,

    I agree about the Kurds. That would be a real game changer. A militarily strong Kurdistan would vex Turkey and Iran. Plus, they seem more friendly towards the West than any group in the ME with the exception of Israel. And, the Kurds do not foster the misogyny common to their neighbors. They need weapons and require no other assistance beyond initial air power until they can train enough pilots to rival both the Turk and Persian airforces, as they are more than willing to fight for themselves.

  6. “And of course our Beloved Leader stands with
    Erdogan…”

    Best buds. (It’s that MB thang.)

    But soon, Obama will have to decide whether holding on to Guhlen is worth saying good-bye to Incirlik.

    Erdogan plays for keeps.

    So what’ll it be?

  7. The contemporary term false flag describes covert operations that are designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them

    Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, can (by extension) also be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation.

    [what happened to the people who instigated it? in russia, the people that instigated that coup, are still in power, and positions of power.. when usually what happens to the losers in a coup? death? prison? expulsion?]

    Germany: Gleiwitz incident
    Russia: Winter War
    USA: Gulf of Tonkin Incident

    As a tactic to undermine political opponents
    Germany: Reichstag fire
    USA: Project TP-Ajax

    the left, especially russia LOVE this kind of thing:

    Pseudo-operations are those in which forces of one power disguise themselves as enemy forces. For example, a state power may disguise teams of operatives as insurgents and, with the aid of defectors, infiltrate insurgent areas

    The State Political Directorate (OGPU) of the Soviet Union set up such an operation from 1921 to 1926. During Operation Trust, they used loose networks of White Army supporters and extended them, creating the pseudo-“Monarchist Union of Central Russia” (MUCR) in order to help the OGPU identify real monarchists and anti-Bolsheviks

    [they did the same in afghanistan which is how they created the islamic groups that the west is blamed for]

    In espionage the term “false flag” describes the recruiting of agents by operatives posing as representatives of a cause the prospective agents are sympathetic to, or even the agents’ own government. For example, during the Cold War, several female West German civil servants were tricked into stealing classified documents by agents of the East German Stasi intelligence service, pretending to be members of West German peace advocacy groups (the Stasi agents were also described as “Romeos,” indicating that they also used their sex appeal to manipulate their targets, making this operation a combination of the false flag and “honey trap” techniques)

    Political campaigning has a long history of this tactic in various forms, including in person, print media and electronically in recent years. This can involve when supporters of one candidate pose as supporters of another, or act as “straw men” for their preferred candidate to debate against. This can happen with or without the candidate’s knowledge. The Canuck letter is an example of one candidate creating a false document and attributing it as coming from another candidate in order to discredit that candidate

    In the final days of Florida’s 1994 gubernatorial campaign, Democratic Governor Lawton Chiles ran a false flag operation that paid for tens of thousands of calls to elderly voters using false organization names. The calls purported to be from Republican groups and told voters that Jeb Bush was against Social Security and seniors. Chiles denied his campaign was behind the calls. After winning re-election and facing an investigation, Chiles admitted the truth in November 1995

    remember this when you read a trumpster and they are so negative it turns you off to the candidate… or when cosby has how many stepping forwards? or as i see in nyc, protestors paid in cash two blocks away from where they will yell, not caring about the actual issue.

    Concepts
    Agent provocateur
    Black propaganda
    Casus belli
    Covert operation
    Denial and deception
    Front organization
    Joe job, a similar online concept
    Mimicry
    State terrorism

    example: Marxist-Leninist Party of the Netherlands (fake party set up by the Dutch security service)

  8. When the Wall came down, there were great cheers for the advent of democracy within the old Soviet empire.

    Remember well arguing with friends / acquaintances / coworkers that democracy alone was not that important, but rule of law, ownership rights, and a “fair” judicial system (as in equality before the law, objectively ruled and enforced) were more important. Absent that, democracy is a house of cards.

    Sad outcome for so many, on such a promising opportunity.

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