More evidence that the social contract has broken down
This.
I’m a dog lover. But in a situation like the one described, every stray dog needs to be put down. And even that won’t solve the problem. But it would help.
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Violence is used by humans to teach animals how to utilize more violence. And the reverse is true as well.
My solution is pretty simple.
http://chenessinc.com/
There’s more affordable steel for people looking for a budget, however, which is how I started.
You can either target the humans and suppress them socially for breeding violent dog packs. Or you can eliminate the dog packs.
Me, it might be beneficial to reverse that but it’s not my decision to make.
Feral dog packs are a serious (donald would say YUGE) problem. Out in rural America they are shot on the spot whenever possible. Any stray dog sniffing around the sheep was on the receiving end of a 30-30 as far as my dad was concerned.
I have pepper spray in a cartridge that fits into a *gun* apparatus that you can fire at an animal or a human for that matter, it shoots like a strong water pistol, the instructions say to fire away until you empty it. They sell it on Amazon !
Being mauled by dogs must be horrific.
RIP poor victims.
Prima facie evidence I’d say.
In the meantime, if I lived in that neighborhood I’d carry two forms of self-defense;
The Gerber Bear Grylls Parang Machete @ $27.15
The Parang is long enough, while quick to get into play.
and the Kimber PepperBlaster II – Gray @ $37.99
Thanks Molly NH, I carry pepper gel (better than spray) but was unaware of the pepper gun, which I’m sure lends itself to greater accuracy. Now, if I can only find it in a gel rather than the spray.
In those conditions, either the spray and/or the machete could save your life. I’d also practice shooting the pepper spray with my non-dominant hand to leave the dominant hand free to wield the Parang machete.
Ymarsakar’s sword is very ‘kool’ but when walking, I imagine the first cop to see it, would at the least, confiscate it.
If that is a metaphor of cultures clash, it’s a huge fallacy.
Dog a mostly loyal and protective. You can find dangerous ones, as you see here, but they are isolated cases.
Muslims? Well, live in Middle East as a christian if you dare. A few centuries ago, a big percentage of Middle East was christian. It’s vanishing. Or try to be a Jew in Palestine or Iran.
Blacks? Well, right now there’s a increasing white genocide in South Africa. Whites are flying away.
You think multiculturalism is great because you have the power. But that power is vanishing. And white people, you’re gonna suffer in US. You’re gonna suffer A LOT. It’s likely that you’ll end being second class citizens in your own country, which will be ruled according to third world standards, the same that whites in SA are now second class citizens in a once a beautiful country going now straight forward to third world.
Live in the country. It’s safer, because people don’t expect someone else to protect them.
I imagine the first cop to see it, would at the least, confiscate it.
Is that a thing in your state, GB?
Btw, aren’t there a lot of Demoncrats in Dallas these days?
I’m no authority on knife-fights, but I can’t imagine a normal knife would be of much use against a dog. Knives are good for two things, scaring off an opponent and injuring someone within arm’s reach. Dogs aren’t going to be scared off by a knife, and they’re typically going to close the distance on their target quickly. By the time a dog gets on you, mobility and angle of attack become problems.
And if a knife against a dog is of minimal use, it’s going to be even less useful against a pack.
I’d pay money to see you try to walk down the streets of a major American city carrying a sword and, when the cops showed up, see you insist that as a law abiding citizen you have a right to carry it for self-defense.
Nick,
Deal with the alpha dog and the pack retreats. IMO, the sword, while clearly better is impracticable. The Parang has much more reach than a knife. It’s also a slashing tool rather than a stabbing weapon, which against a dog makes it much more useful. And, I suggested it as backup, with the pepper spray the first means of defense.
Obviously, a concealed carry pistol is an option. The downside of that is the possibility of missing with a ricochet hitting an innocent bystander. In such a case, at the least civil penalties are likely and criminal penalties are possible.
An option that greatly reduces the likelihood of a ricochet would be to load your pistol with Glaser Safety Slugs (blue)
I’d pay money to see you try to walk down the streets of a major American city carrying a sword and, when the cops showed up, see you insist that as a law abiding citizen you have a right to carry it for self-defense.
I don’t see what your point is, GB. Since carrying a machete in a city that is sharp, is not particularly allowed either. Especially if you try to conceal it, as that thing is less than 28 inches.
So I take it that this is something in your state or city.
Btw, GB, unless you are just trying to be slow here again, you walking around with a machete isn’t not necessarily going to be considered different. Especially since my swords can cut without the sharp blade but machetes generally always have sharp blades. It’s a difference in functionality and steel durability, as well as skills.
The Parang has much more reach than a knife.
That’s because it would be classified as a sword or short sword, as it is nearly 30 inches in length.
This is what I find funny about your off topic outbursts, GB.
update: Here is an arguably better pepper gun. If you buy it, it seems only right to do so through neo’s amazon link.
Btw, you would have to be pretty dumb to tell anyone or even suggest to anyone, that you are carrying “anything” for “self defense”. What you are actually telling the Authorities is that “I am going to do something illegal, but I have a reason that justifies this and that’s what I’m planning to use”.
Just in case people don’t understand about the “Right to remain silent” thing in cities when being questioned by Police.
Your ego is showing, being ‘the authority’ here on all things military and defensive is important to you, isn’t it?
My point is obvious, so if you don’t see it…
The Parang comes with a holster, so is less likely to be noticed by a cop. It’s length is a compromise between a sword and a knife. A balance between effectiveness and what you might get away with, with the cops.
As for “I am going to do something illegal, but I have a reason that justifies this and that’s what I’m planning to use” IMO, when carrying a sword, that’s unlikely to fly with the majority of cops.
I know your opinion is more important than mine but perhaps you could allow me to have one as well? Perhaps you could let others judge for themselves that opinion’s worth?
@gb. Yes, as you say the pepper gun is liquid spray & not a gel.
The strong stream it issues prevents any blow back or displacement by the wind. The gun is metal BTW, solid & sturdy. Gives a great sense if security & the pepper canisters have expiration dates so you won’t be firing blanks. Lol
Well, back to Neo’s original point. This is indeed bit more evidence that the social contract has broken down. Rather that questions how citizens might arm themselves against vicious stray dogs, it might be worth considering why there are vicious stray dogs in urban areas in the first place. This is surely a symptom of a bigger issue.
A less dangerous symptom is evident to me on every morning walk. My area has a really nice walking/biking path that skirts a residential area and continues into the mountainous wilderness. It is such a pleasant and peaceful place early in the morning, except that it is a veritable mine field of dog feces. Yes, California has laws. Like the laws against running red lights, and many others, they are often ignored, and seldom enforced.
It makes me sick to say this, but feral dogs need to be shot. Cats too. It’s not their fault. The owners need to be shot, too.
The increase in strays is just an indication of the decay of government function. I live in Oak Ridge, TN and I have noticed there are more strays of cats and dogs. It will only get worse.
Cops might notice holsters more, especially as it would be a concealed weapon that they often assume is some kind of illegal weapon. It’s debatable, not every city has the same stop and search protocols, which will obviously be different in zones with schools and homes. The search and confiscation SOP on universities inside the city grid would be quite different from some cop driving patrol 30 miles away in a neighborhood of houses. But that’s not the point you made before, given machetes and swords have variable lengths and there’s no guarantee they are kept in holsters or things that don’t look like holsters.
You refused to make that point before and now complain about it. Now you make the point, which makes up for your mistake before. Doesn’t make up for your retro active complaining though.
Your ego is showing, being ‘the authority’ here on all things military and defensive is important to you, isn’t it?
GB is the one declaring that people will have private property and non weapons confiscated by the police in certain (updated to all) states and cities. Not me. Declaring something to be true and using your former Democrat authority, isn’t something you can pin on me, GB. As I said and asked before, this is something in your city/state, isn’t it.
It’s up to you to prove your machete is of the proper length and that a sword is not, when you start going around making baseless claims that you somehow know how the police operates in every city and state.
It is also up to you to prove that your machete is for self defense, since you think a person with a sword/blade has to claim that as an affirmative defense first. That’s something you laid down backed by your non existent authority, it didn’t come from me. My claim is that a person with a blade doesn’t have to say it is for self defense, even if a cop asks them, in or out of handcuffs.
Again with the outbursts, GB. The ego and authority thing seems more like your problem than mine these days.
Now that the election cycle has spun you around on a dime and dropped you with nothing else better to do GB, don’t think you can just take your angst out on people online without some blowback. You had a similar problem 1-2 years ago concerning your Democrat collaborators you refused to drop or blame. I told you they would Obey Orders, now look at the kiddie bathrooms which they helped setup and will obey orders to help enforce. You can’t blame them for being arrogant, because you would feel guilt, these are your own family blood and friends after all. So you look for people online to fight with. Pathetic.
Human nature is very transparent to me. Trying to hide things from me, GB, would work better if you avoided making conflicts. Just as not getting into trouble with the police would be aided by avoiding antagonizing or fighting the police.
As for the actual topic, when a person is on their property or just in walking distance of it, this isn’t Great Britain. Blades of whatever length, when seen outside the home in GB, are confiscated. In American states, for the most part the police needs a warrant or some good reason to suspect you are a danger. Many people carry “cultural artifacts” and “historical pieces” in their cars, for example, due to cultural activities, hobbies, cultural appropriation, you know, stuff like that. Of course, that doesn’t guarantee the Leftist union obeying police won’t attempt to confiscate your supposed arms. GB would know more about his specific situation and scenario, which he should have shared in the start. Because not every American city and state has the same effective enforcement of their blade laws. Assuming they even have any restrictive blade laws. There are far less of them than there are for guns and certain knives.
Get some help ymarsakar,
You see machinations, where there are none.
I have frequently admitted to the possibility that I can be wrong and have admitted so more than once. I cannot recall you ever having done so. Thus my perception that whenever anyone strays into ‘your territory’, you quickly assert the superiority of your position. That’s quite telling.
I never asserted that my suggestions applied to ALL municipalities, just to the likelihood that a large sword is likely to be more objectionable to the cops than a small machete in a scabbard. That may not be so and could certainly vary in jurisdiction and with any individual cop but it seems to me to be far more likely. I’m fairly certain that many cops would agree.
In the past, disagreement with you as to the allegiance of liberal LIVs to the constitution does not equate to being a “Democrat collaborator”, which is a slander and a cheap shot. But I’ve learned to expect no less from you. Being ‘the expert and right’ is clearly more important to you than any other consideration. Which sadly, speaks to a lack of character.
I don’t know how to weigh in on this, so I’ll just jump. I am no one special. But a knife isn’t to be despised when it comes to killing dogs. Sometimes you need to kill the k9 to get to the handler and you have to do it quietly.
Personally, I carry a Colt Government 380 ACP. 7+1 capacity. Easily concealed and should be sufficent in most close encounters with a feral pack of canines or humanoids.
When I was growing up in an average suburb in the 1960s, I remember seeing many stray dogs (or maybe most weren’t strays but were family pets allowed to roam the neighborhood off leash). Many people didn’t scoop as a routine matter, so it wasn’t unusual to “step in it” while out playing in the neighborhood.
On a recent trip to Mexico (towns along the Rivera Maya) I was surprised to see stray dogs roaming all over the place. Most seemed friendly, although I didn’t get too close.
If a person wished to exchange knowledge here, they could start with answering questions. I can think of two responses to my question/line that I wrote. Yes that’s a thing in my state. No it is not. Additionally, the option of “none of the above/stop talking to me/I don’t want to answer” was there as well. I didn’t see any of those responses. On the other hand, people could have asked me a question in the beginning, and I probably would have answered if I had any interest in the subject and caught the question.
If people want to escalate the diplomatic contact by having a snarky response designed to be witty, I can play along with that. And if people want to escalate more beyond that, I’m a mirror, I reflect whatever people put into the contact. Communications with an adaptive filter. I find it funny that some individuals like to talk about nuclear deterrence here complete with their own policy positions, but can’t remember that I told them this before. Sometimes what you put into X is what you get out of it. Diplomatic negotiations and nuclear deterrence is complicated. Negotiating and communicating with me here is simple, in comparison. Or at least, it should be.
Don’t raise the nuclear threats if you don’t want someone else to meet your raise and stop you. That’s what I find hilarious. Humans stumble around claiming that they are the ones being stopped in their goals, when their every action distorts the world around them. They, in the end, get in their own way more times than not. As for me, my words cannot change reality nor can they prevent people from sharing their opinions.
In the first place, I do not care whether people agree or disagree with me. I’m quite neutral on that. Another thing I have to remind people of at least twice a year. To put it another way, I hate it when people try to agree with me, and I also hate when they try to disagree with me. But like a mirror, sometimes people are more pleasant doing one thing over the other and get a better tone as a result. That’s just what they put into the contact, though.
The old generation probably cannot understand, as in their day, conformity was the rule and the expected status quo. It was the rule that everyone agreed to abide by rules everyone was expected to understand and abide by. Good thing we got rid of that now a days. Chaos of the 21st century. When Dog attacks Zombies.
I don’t know what it would take to put down a pit bull, though I suppose I could look it up. But my guess is that Parker’s .380/9mm short would be sufficient, or possibly even a .32.
My further guess is that even a .25 emptied at close range in the face and neck would stop it if it were menacing rather than ripping your throat out. But that is just my offhand guess and I would not bet my own life on it.
The point Parker was making was: light weight and convenience balanced with effectiveness. Anyone who had actually carried a 9mm P38, or a 5″ barrel .38 or .357 around for long – even for sporting purposes – knows how they begin to feel like a weighty and cumbersome nuisance even for a 6′, 200 lb man.
Additionally, the price of a short barreled high quality hammer-less domestic .357 revolver is not cheap for most people.
No Colt listed here. Though I guess the Brazilian gun would suffice for shooting a dog. http://www.guns.com/review/2012/10/15/five-hammerless-revolvers/
And you cannot trust the prices or assume availability, I suspect, given the current situation, and demand in general.
You can have fun surfing for yourself.
For Parker and Neo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XjYtISS08U
Ok, I’m off …
DNW,
If I carry a concealed semi-auto it has to be based upon a platform John Browning designed. Hence my choice of the Colt Gorverment model 380. If TSHTF, my choice is my S&W model 65 and 4 speed loaders. 😉
BTW, a .380 will put down in close encounters a dog or a man. Practicing close range shot placement is the key. My little Colt has gone through one barrel, one firing pin, and one recoil spring. I put nearly 5,000 rounds per year through that little gun over the last 25 years. Fortunately, I reload.