The frying pan versus the fire
Today is Indiana primary day.
I think Trump will win, and this would mean that Trump would almost certainly become the GOP nominee. The word “sobering” doesn’t even begin to describe how that prospect appears. Actually, it fills me with dread,
I can imagine that Cruz will win Indiana instead of Trump. But I think it highly unlikely, although that’s a tough thing to have to admit and even tougher to accept. I can imagine that Trump’s candidacy at the Republican convention would be successfully challenged, even if Trump gets to the requisite 1273 votes. But I don’t think that process would end in victory for the non-Trump candidate, because of the resultant defection of the Trump contingent.
I can imagine Trump as the GOP nominee and the eventual formation of a third party in reaction to that event, but I see that party as too small to count for a whole lot. I can imagine a run this year by an independent candidate who is actually a leading Republican running outside the party, but I don’t see how that person would win because of the aforementioned splitting of the vote.
I believe a Trump candidacy will end in a Trump defeat and a Hillary Clinton presidency. I believe that very strongly, and I’ve explained in previous posts why I see it that way. But I can certainly imagine that I’m wrong, and that the Alinksyite Trump will manage to beat the Alinskyite Clinton. I just think it’s highly unlikely.
Lastly and with the greatest of difficulty I can even imagine a President Trump who surprises me by having some sort of personality-ectomy and becoming a man of character and principle, as well as sound judgment and consistent conservativism. I would say that “stranger things have happened,” but actually I don’t think that stranger things than that have happened.
So the prospect of a Trump vs. Clinton election is one I have trouble wrapping my mind around even now. I still can’t decide which would be the frying pan, and which the fire. Or maybe it’s fire and ice.
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
I’m also really depressed, especially about the people who know better and are cavers. People like Newt think they can influence Trump, but I don’t believe anyone can. Nor do I think anyone can get him to do some homework before opening his mouth. His whole life has been about selling his name, and he has gone bankrupt 4 times. I’m afraid we will end up paying his bills in more than money.
It is in times like these that some take refuge in prayer. Other, wiser folks don’t wait for times like these.
No matter how old you get, life continues to amaze. Who would have foreseen such as this a year ago? I suppose we’ll get to find out what America is made of, but I’m not looking forward to it. Not that I’m convinced that America will fall short, but it will be a journey I could have just as well skipped, to be honest. It will be interesting, and it will be unexplored territory.
Fortunately, the first thing that you can imagine — that Cruz wins Indiana — is also the easiest to believe, and the most likely to come true. One step at a time to a better future.
What I put up about an hour ago on another thread seems more appropriate here, so I’m reposting:
I think we are now reaching the endgame of the Baby Boomer generation. Too many of us bought into the bullshit we were expounding in the 60’s and made it their “life’s work”; which is to destroy the U.S. I still cannot understand the psychology of my fellow Boomers who grew up so comfortably to want to tear it all down.
So now we are faced with two Boomer candidates for president. One a pathological liar determined to punish the country and at the same time profit from the destruction. The other, the embodiment of the narcissistic Boomer attitude of sex, drugs, and rock and roll, where everything revolves around the holy concept of “me”. In a tremendous case of irony, the Greatest Generation gave birth and raised the Worst Generation that will end up destroying the last great hope of humanity.
Hillary might not be their candidate. Who would Obama prefer to succeed him, a flawed candidate with support from Goldman Sachs, or his ideological brother? No prediction, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see a Sanders/Warren ticket after the indictment.
Trump as president would be chaos.
Clinton as president would be corruption and further into the leftist vision of the world, though she might more a realist on foreign policy, and not just blindly follow Obama’s path.
I will vote Libertarian, or for any Republican candidate that runs outside the party. Libertarians have always more closely matched my thoughts on government anyway. I’ve never agreed with the “social conservatives”. I’ve always thought that they should preach their message in church, not in government. (Not that I disagree with the message, just the forum.) Trump has never expressed a belief in small government, which has always been the basis of my adherence to the Republican party anyway. (Not that they’ve ever practiced it)
RIP America
for a person who was supposed to lose over and over and over, the people following have refused to admit that they are very much not right… even piers morgan has chimed in that the news on trump vs women is a lie (the ladies fawn over him actually not hate him as the press tells you !!!)
even funnier that everyones IMAGINATION is going crazy saying it will be chaos, the end of the world, and all manner of completely bombastic silly stuff they think is smart… its not, and its ignoring tsun tsu and the missive of knowing the opposition, and knowing yourself, etc..
Trump will get more GOP primary votes than anyone in history (because more people are voting)
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/04/VoteTotalsFinal.jpg&w=1484
When it comes to the women’s card, Donald holds all the Trumps. He knows What Women Want, and it isn’t Hillary / By PIERS MORGAN
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3562002/PIERS-MORGAN-comes-women-s-card-Donald-holds-Trumps-knows-Women-Want-isn-t-Hillary.html
How Donald Trump beats Hillary Clinton
http://nypost.com/2016/04/30/how-donald-trump-beats-hillary-clinton/
They gleefully point to surveys showing that either Ted Cruz or John Kasich – the winner of exactly one primary – would fare better hypothetically against Clinton in the general election. Indeed, 90 percent of “top operatives” in battleground swing states recently assured Politico that Clinton will clobber Trump
really? i dont think so mr bond… 🙂
[edited for length by n-n]
Some say the world will end in mire,
Some say in nice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor mire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of fate
To say that for destruction nice
Is also great
And would be nice.
“i can put up about 15 more issues and scandals..” Don’t bother – nobody cares. The most trenchant comment I have read so far today says “The IT/media/financial/entertainment industry has already paid more than a billion dollars for a Hilary Presidency and they will have it no matter what the voters actually want. ” And that doesn’t even include the tribalists who will vote for anybody with a D after their name, or the dependents who will see any R as potential damage to their checks. My take is that Trump will take the nomination and be used to drive turnout to otherwise bored and alienated Democrat voters. I have already started working on Down Ticket campaigns to try and salvage something from this debacle.
“Lastly and with the greatest of difficulty I can even imagine a President Trump who surprises me by having some sort of personality-ectomy and becoming a man of character and principle” – Trump today or yesterday got behind the National Enquirer story that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the shooting of JFK.
The folks I know back home in Indiana are expressing embarrassment about having voted for Cruz. This is good news.
My only predictions are that I will vote for Cruz today, that if Trump is nominated I will leave the Republican Party, and that I will never, ever vote for Trump.
I did not read all of Artfldgrs comment, but if I grasped the essence, he expects Trump to win the Presidency and that will be fine. He thinks we are all letting our imaginations run amok. Well, we haven’t imagined what we know about Trump; and we certainly are not imagining what we know about HRC. Nor are we imagining that both of the likely nominees have very high negatives before they ever take office. We are not imagining that the country is deeply divided; and that neither candidate even aspires to be a unifier. Not in the wildest imagination.
Obviously, no one knows where the country goes from here. It is not unreasonable to be worried.
The U.S. had a good run with reasonably stable politics, even if we often chafed at the result. Examples abound of countries in which the political climate is anything but stable. Some function reasonably well; some do not. I see this election as destabilizing. I can only hope that it is not a permanent condition.
I’m pretty sure Trump beats Hillary –even reading only 10% of Artfldgr.
I support Cruz, but like my prior Libertarian support, the mass American voters don’t.
What if Trump announces he’ll appoint Cruz to SCOTUS after he becomes nominee? Or just tells Cruz that he’ll do it, but not publicize it until after November.
Cruz is weakening himself in the Good vs Evil issue — incompetent is not evil, nor is unprincipled. And, in politicians, even lying is hard to call ‘evil’, with so much of it — tho promises about the future are not technically lies, ever. Broken promises, nothin’ new.
Cruz will likely unite behind Trump — more so than Rubio supported Cruz as an alternative to Trump.
Trump as President, with a Republican House & Senate, will be FAR FAR better than Hillary.
Yeah, Trump has tried, and failed — but also succeeded. Ya, he’s a blowhard. But wants America to Be Great Again — that’s really really strong.
By the way, the fun way to “support Trump” is simple — only attack the terrible Democrats. Never even acknowledge the Dem attacks, except to point out how much worse is Obama, or H. Clinton, or B. Clinton, or other Dems, including Dem media.
Make those who support Clinton talk about how they feel when they see a private Burlingame resident try to walk down the street and being semi-violently assaulted by the violent Dems. When they claim they’re against it, call them liars.
When they vote Dem, they vote in favor of violence against free speech. Their Dem vote is in favor of F* F* F*, as a word and as an irresponsible lifestyle choice. A Dem vote is a vote in favor of genocide against Christians; it’s in favor of terrorists in America; it’s against civil rights like gun ownership; it’s in favor of more bailouts for the irresponsible, like Puerto Rico, paid for by more punishment to the responsible hard working Americans.
Start imagining how to attack your liberal friends for supporting failed Obama Clinton policies, and supporting more failure.
Best if you can do it with jokes — I don’t know how to do that, yet.
Neo is right about the boomers we have mismanaged most everything from a harder generation. But that said FDR was a worse threat than Hillary and had huge support. We will survive.
I’ll vote for most GOP candidates except Trump. Gary Johnson of the Libertarians deserves a place in the debates and will look like a genius compared to the Donald – Hillary pairing. I do however think that the Democrats having no need to behave politely to Donald will have him blowing up or pouting twice a week. He will shed his marginal supporters rapidly. Every interviewer will feel obliged to press him for answers and we know how that turns out.
Nebraska next week!
Keep hope alive!
Artfldgr does answer one question: Is there any length limitation on a comment at Neo-NeoCon?
MSNBC had an interesting segment last night on how the Dems recapture the Senate on the back of the Trump disaster. An Arkansas Dem is already running ads on Facebook playing Donald’s comments about women. This Dem is an unknown and she is tied. Same deal in WI.
WaPo had a story on how the Electoral College favors the Dems.
Trump loses badly.
Well played, Hoosier Bully.
The time remaining to me is too short to wade through them.
The Whig party went full-on stupid and imploded. Four years later, the newly formed Republican party took the Presidency and set the political agenda for the next forty years.
One of the first things that this newly formed Republican party did was to oversee the country launch a massive, bloody, shooting war against itself in the streets and in the cities and in the fields and on the coastal seas. How do the threats posed by Trump and Clinton stack up against that?
We can talk about impeded freedoms, agenda-driven institutions, the rise of populist progressivism, the decline of education, and the long slow slide of the character of the American people. Yet, the Feds are being challenged more often; new regulations against citizens are getting harder to implement and especially as they are getting more self-contradictory; the ‘devastating’ government shut-down of 2013 had zero effect on anybody or anything outside of its own news cycle.
The public is not standing still awaiting a flash of brilliance from DC. We see a resurgence of violent civil disobedience, but we do not see the quiet digging in of the less vociferous. The only fear is how close the erosion of the American character is to reaching the bedrock of the quietly civilly disobedient.
For a short time Donald Trump led the GOP field in 2012 as the “birther in chief.” A lot of Republican pundits gave him–and the electorate–a pass at that time. They shouldn’t have.
Yes, the birth certificate thing was stupid–but, hey, Trump wasn’t a *serious* candidate and leading (especially that early in the cycle) wasn’t a big deal. Was it?
Of course then we got leaders like Cain, Bachmann, and . . . well, Santorum. When the dust finally settled with Romney, it was a relief that he was, at least, plausibly electable.
Everyone had forgotten that the excitement was with people well outside the scope of being either suitable for–or elected to–the presidency (Ben Carson, this cycle, for example).
Basically: It was possible to see this coming. From a long way off. Trump’s ascent isn’t some new phase of politics that has descended on us. It’s been around (and powerful) for a good while.
I don’t think Canada will let all of us in. I wonder how hard it is to get a residency visa for Luxembourg or Denmark or Pitcairn Island.
This AM on Fox & Trump, The Donald asserted that Ted’s dad knew Lee Harvey Oswald and there is a picture of the two of them in NOLA right before the JFK assassination.
Trump must think voters are idiots. Indiana may well prove him right.
Yeah, Cornhead, I saw that story today all over some of the sites I frequent. There’s a loud, noisy, always-anonymous contingent that pushes this sort of idiocy as fast as Trump can let it dribble out of his mouth. Are these people trying to sink Cruz to get an unelectable boob that guarantees a Democrat victory? Or do they actually think this is a path to getting Trump to the presidency and that this would be a good thing?
I’m literally at a loss. I have no idea how I’ll explain this to future generations, should fate favor me in surviving to pass along the tale.
I’ve been a Republican for more than three decades, but my allegiance is to the country and the Constitution, not to a party. As Ben Sasse said, parties are just tools. I still have a vote (so far), and I will not give it to someone out of mere political calculation. I need to have respect for a candidate. Donald Trump is not going to change–he is what he is. I’m basically a social con, but I’ve been looking at Gary Johnson too. I may not agree with all his principles, but so far he seems a man with intelligence and personal integrity. And if I spend the rest of my life in some boutique party, that’s fine with me, too.
Matthew M Says:
May 3rd, 2016 at 1:16 pm
Ah wonder how hard it is to get a residency visa for …. Pitcairn Island.
Depends on your orientation:
Trouble in Paradise
KG
That’s one of the things I really hate about Trump. He takes voters for idiots and it mostly works. It started with his birther thing on Obama and continues with Cruz.
Trump just has contempt for Americans.
That sunglasses guy who debated Cruz is the model Trump voter.
Mathew M, there is no place to hide. New Zealand will take you, if you are retired and can post a deposit of $3 million to cover your health care. Only the 2% can do that.
Like it or not, we have to fight for our rights and heritage right here.
The last coarse man (I view Trump as a coarse man) to be President was LBJ. He inherited the office from JFK and won re-election on his own. It was a time when the Democrats were in the ascendancy. Of course he was a professional politician and, as a result of his long years in D.C., he knew where all the skeletons were buried, which knowledge he used to blackmail legislators into passing his Great Society programs. IMO, the U.S. is still suffering greatly from his presidency.
Trump would be just as willing as LBJ to use blackmail to accomplish his purposes. However, he doesn’t know where the skeletons are buried.
Trump is a wild card. He might actually be able to control illegal immigration, reduce stifling regulation, stimulate business with friendly government policies, and rebuild the military. He also will appoint less liberal Supreme Court justices. (He is saying he will provide a list of 10 people he will draw from to make appointments.) Trump will need help, if he wins. I think Newt Gingrich would be a good fit as VP for him. Gingrich does know where a lot of the bodies are buried in D.C. He also knows Congress. Information that would be invaluable to Trump.
Add to the above the fact that Trump must be circumspect while in office. Unlike Obama, he would be subject to impeachment and the Republicans would not hesitate to join the Dems, if he stepped too far out of line.
The decision for me is this: Do I want a continuation of Obama policies and the appointment of up to 4 Supreme Court justices under Hillary? The answer is no, no. no!
If it comes down to a choice between Hillary and Trump, I will choose the possibility of some good happening versus the assured continuance of the decline of the last 7 1/2 years.
It is depressing that such a choice must be made, but Republicans have unite behind the nominee if we are to have a chance of winning in November.
Trump knocked out Rubio by getting Mario upset and emotional.
Ted Cruz has fallen for the same tactic.
You can’t lobby against Donald based upon facts.
You have to use Donald to fight Trump — as John Oliver did.
Donald Trump can have no rebuttal to his own utterances.
As for Ted crossing the street to talk to Trumped up True Believers –a horrific error.
A boob on the side walk is not anything like the US Supreme Court.
The MSM is lifting Trump UP at this time.
Even Drudge is lifting Trump way, way, up.
Our next president is going to have to navigate a global financial crisis that wildly exceeds that of 2008-2009.
It might even break loose this year.
( Red China has reached the end of the Red brick road. )
Kyndyll G:
“Are these people trying to sink Cruz to get an unelectable boob that guarantees a Democrat victory? Or do they actually think this is a path to getting Trump to the presidency and that this would be a good thing?
I’m literally at a loss. I have no idea how I’ll explain this to future generations, should fate favor me in surviving to pass along the tale.”
The explanation is simple – they’re playing the activist game, albeit in the fecund presidential electoral setting. Participatory politics subsume electoral politics:
Big Maq:
I think a Trump candidacy would be worse than chaos. It would have certain patterns.
I see him as malignant, and out to destroy his “enemies” (enemies would be anyone who crosses him). I see him as far more destructive than Clinton in foreign policy.
I see him as lying constantly and reflexively, even more than she (and she would lie a lot). I see him as encouraging the worst in human nature among Americans and in the press.
I wish I could alleviate the doom-and-gloom on here. Hillary is not going to win, that’s for sure. Latest Rasmussen polling has great details regarding Trump’s popularity and likelihood of beating Hillary…and we haven’t even really gotten started on a national campaign.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39
The world is not over. Trump is not the nightmare you think he will be. I watched another interview with Eric Trump last night…such a calm presence, smart man. Look to the children for the real character of the father.
It’ll be okay everyone.
Wooly Bully,
Yes, there are length limits on comments (also frequency limits), but they don’t automatically kick in. So if I’m away from my blog (yes, it sometimes happens!) there is a delay in my getting to shortening the too-long comments.
K-E:
In case you haven’t noticed, I come to my own independent conclusions. Your reassurances, although I suppose they are well-meant, are devoid of anything the least bit persuasive. I have amassed my own mountain of evidence, made my own observations, and come to my own conclusions, in post after post.
And other commenters have been quite logical and eloquent on the subject as well. Meanwhile, your arguments come down to your opinions, many of them unsupported by any facts. As for Trump’s son, I addressed that yesterday in this lengthy comment. If you missed it, I suggest you read it.
Furthermore, when last I checked, son Eric was not running for president. Father Donald is. Have you ever noticed how I don’t tend to write about the motherhood or fatherhood of political figures, or how their kids turned out, as evidence of much of anything? It doesn’t matter who the figure is; left or right. I’ve seen enough of life to know that good people can raise bad children and vice versa.
But read the linked comment, since you (and others) have brought up this “Donald Trump is a good father” argument.
Cruz finally let it all out today, no holds barred, and spelled out in detail the sickness that is Donald Trump. Bravo!
“I think a Trump candidacy would be worse than chaos. It would have certain patterns.
I see him as malignant, and out to destroy his “enemies” (enemies would be anyone who crosses him). I see him as far more destructive than Clinton in foreign policy.
I see him as lying constantly and reflexively, even more than she (and she would lie a lot). I see him as encouraging the worst in human nature among Americans and in the press.”
I think we agree. To me chaos comes from his behavior as you describe, and more.
Chaos is the uncertainty/fear of just what will happen next, very little of which is good.
Some here and elsewhere in the blogosphere seem to think Trump could be tempered by say, a Gingrich for VP, or the threat of impeachment, or the rule of law. That is probably more wishful thinking than likely outcome.
If Trump wins the presidency, he will use the very same tactics to get his way. It will been obvious to him that “It works”, and Obama certainly set a very high precedent on what a sitting president can do without Congress.
The best modern day analogue of what it might look like is the Kirschner regime (both of them) in Argentina, where even the economists are jailed for posting actual data on inflation rates.
Only it will have global consequences.
The Other Chuck Says:
May 3rd, 2016 at 2:59 pm
Cruz finally let it all out today, no holds barred, and spelled out in detail the sickness that is Donald Trump. Bravo!
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Wrong.
Facts don’t persuade Low Involvement Voters.
They just don’t.
The candidate should NEVER carry the attack to a rival.
Disdain is as far as one should ever go.
Donald Trump is a MASTER of disdain.
“Sad.” “Low energy.” “Lyin.” “Little.”
He has a patent on it.
The candidate should NEVER ‘go retail.’
Joe the Plumber did damage to Barry — back in ’08.
The ONLY crowds you want to address are yours.
With a back and forther — like Kerry or Trump — the BEST route is to use video clips of the target to contradict themselves unto folly.
Ted needs to stick ENTIRELY to the high road — and let Carly et.al. carry the attack.
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I don’t figure Donald has any chance in the Fall — unless Yellowstone erupts.
The entire Leftist complex is out to get him.
AND.
He has no money. Yes, NOTHING like the war chest Hillary has.
The media will simply drop Donald from their shows.
Then — he’s done.
Fox can’t carry him over the finish line.
Trump does not give Cruz any reason to stump for him.
He not only does not have a chance, he’s headed in the wrong direction, and he’s ruined Cruz’s drawing power — as Cruz voters are not going to be able to stomach Donald no matter what is said.
Bridges have been burned.
Big Maq:
Yes, we do agree.
I thought you meant Trump’s president itself would be chaotic. I think what you are actually saying is that the results would be chaos.
“Trump does not give Cruz any reason to stump for him.
He not only does not have a chance, he’s headed in the wrong direction, and he’s ruined Cruz’s drawing power – as Cruz voters are not going to be able to stomach Donald no matter what is said.”
The Trump set isn’t interested in Cruz voters. They are, like all the other lefties, trying to further marginalize and discredit conservatives. Here, they’ve just gone 10 steps further than before by literally breaking into our house and tearing us up from the inside, rather than standing outside and calling us names.
Sometime back I stopped commenting on this blog. I grew weary of the constant harangue on all things Trump. I’ve continued to read obviously, but not comment. So now we’ve entered a new phase the phase of depression. Woe is me. But who Among Us couldn’t see this coming. It proves that it’s very possible to write and talk yourself straight into the pit of despair. For myself I started out Carly, and moved to Cruz but does that mean I think Trump wouldn’t make a good president? No it does not mean that. Good grief folks what could be worse than the last 7 years? Now before you go off with some of those blistering comments just remember that because you hate Trump does not mean that other people do not know how to think. I can imagine President Trump gathering a few key leaders in a room and saying something like this “boys and girls I don’t give a flying rip about your pettiness.” We’re going to turn this economy around and we’re going to build, build, build. You can either get on board or get left behind. And, if he turns the economy around all the other problems will take care of themselves..
K-E,
I am sure you are a perfectly nice person (and so soothing and reassuring!) but you do seem to inhabit an alternate universe. When you do get started on a “national campaign” for Mr. Popularity, reality will come crashing in.The MSM will take the gloves off and we will finally see who is for and who is against Trump. Hint: not as many “for” as you seem to think.
Victor Davis Hanson on “Something New Under the Political
Sun:”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434807/donald-trump-his-supporters
I have been reading the comments here daily and like Bumsrush above I would take Trump over any Democrat and hope that he makes some decent cabinet choices and court appointments during his time in office. I also think that the next president will have to deal with a lot of chaos and confusion as the deficit spending starts to catch up with reality.
Add the foreign policy mess along with dealing with all of the immigration influx and I am not sure why anyone would want to take the office of president at this time.
Anyway the people in the middle who will actually tip this election one way or another are barely aware there is going to be an election once more this year. Come this fall they might wake up one day and have a choice between that funny, rude, old man with a goofy haircut they used to laugh at on TV or that dumpy, screechy old lady who, it seems, is still married to that old guy who had sex with the help when he was president over 16 years ago.
And that my friends is the way I see this sad situation. To make things worse I actually think we would be a stronger, better nation had Hillary been elected eight years ago and that really sucks.
Actually, it fills me with dread
Your alternatives are Clinton, Cruz, Sanders, or Kasich.
Your choice is …
Blert, what you said about tactics may be true. We are beyond worrying about that now. Cruz is not going to win Indiana, nor California. Cruz told the unvarnished truth about Trump today, his pathology, narcissism, detachment from reality, and zeroed in on his thug behavior. When he said that we are staring into the abyss he meant it. I feel the same way.
But I disagree with you, Neo, and many others here who feel Trump doesn’t have a chance getting elected. If he runs against Hillary he could very well get elected because of the split on the other side. If Bernie somehow ends up their nominee, he will win. The country is that far down the rabbit hole.
Well, I voted for Cruz, for what’s it worth, so don’t blame me for what may happen today! There were only a handful of people at my voting place, so it looks like the low turnout of a typical primary, but I don’t know what that means.
“If Bernie somehow ends up their nominee, he will win. The country is that far down the rabbit hole.”
Scary. Truth.
After watching this play out on social media, my gut feeling is that there will be more lock-step D voting for Bernie than for Hillary. If Bernie is the nominee, there may be some comparatively moderate Ds who aren’t ready to vote for a full-on foaming-mouthed socialist that will vote for Trump, but if Hillary is the nominee, I think there may be widespread dropout or voting for write-ins and third-party candidates by a group of ideologues who hate Hillary but would not for Trump – whom they have been mercilessly mocking for months – under threat of death.
The other Chuck
I have made it clear that I think Trump COULD get elected. I think, however, it’s extremely unlikely. And I find it a very dismal prospect, anyway.
Neo, I stand corrected. You did qualify the following –
I believe a Trump candidacy will end in a Trump defeat and a Hillary Clinton presidency. I believe that very strongly,
with this –
But I can certainly imagine that I’m wrong, and that the Alinksyite Trump will manage to beat the Alinskyite Clinton. I just think it’s highly unlikely.
I’m not used to people who are as precise in their use of language as are you, and I have a tendency to skip over and read for general meaning. Where I disagree is that I think the near cult following that Sanders has will not follow to Hillary, and would VERY LIKELY result in a Trump victory.
I’ve noticed that societies react like individuals in many respects. Among these are changes in behavior. An individual has to reach rock bottom before he changes his behavior. Let’s hope that either Hillary or Trump makes such a gawd awful mess of things that even the average American moron-voter looks around for an adult to vote for next time (assuming there is a next time of course).
In any event the US had a good run. Too bad it had to end not with a whimper or bang but a guffaw and a tear.
The Associated Press called Indiana for Trump.
Trump fans are living in deep, pathological denial if they truly believe the donald could win the general. In the general the msm will not provide free air time and pitch slow balls, it will instead be 24/7 105 mph fastballs and an endless parade of his YUGE negatives. A few days ago I thought his Electoral College ceiling was 100, after the Oswald off the wall crazy, it now looks like 20.
artfldgr,
Meds?
I’ve been rather generous towards the American populace, thinking they aren’t that stupid, but with Trump, Clinton and Sanders – with that trio being the politicians that have the chance to sit in the WH – I’m starting to think they are that stupid.
A narcissist/celebrity (who’s no Reagan). A criminal hoping to make history as the first US female president. A “democratic” socialist.
With 50% of precincts reporting Sander is leading hrc. That is good news IMO. the donald now has a considerable lead, bad Hoosiers, bad, bad, and YUGE sad. Without Kasich it would be a tight contest at this point. Long night ahead.
I’m away from my computer for a while, but I’m very much aware of the news. As expected, but still horrific. A nightmare. Will post something later this evening.
I’d still like to say that I thought Cruz was very brave in at least trying to have a rational conversation with the dude in the wraparounds the other day. Cameras or no, I was worried things would get hot. Dude looked like all kinds of sketchy. At the very least, Cruz had to know he would get a very rude treatment. He has more courage than I suppose I could muster.
You folks need to stop thinking the worst..
This is no worst than the eight years we just endured with O.
If any one will call HRC on all her self serving transgression ‘s
it will be Trump, & America deserves answers or the Rule of Law is dead, totally dead.
Philip.
Cruz made a mistake.
A candidates should NEVER be caught arguing with the retail public.
It makes for bad ‘optics.’
Some commenters here need to learn the difference between PERSONAL bankruptcy and CORPORATE bankruptcies.
Someone can own 100% of a corporation that declares bankruptcy without PERSONALLY going bankrupt. The investor loses all his capital in that entity. And NOT lose ANY of his other personal assets.
Note too that a person can invest in any number of corporations, some of which fail, and still remain solvent – or even a Billionaire.
A corporation declares bankruptcy for BUSINESS reasons. Not PERSONAL reasons.
Tuvea
I well understand bankruptcy law. But Trump declared BK three times on the same property. Once is usually enough.
Equity gets zero in BK and unsecured creditors usually get zero. Small businesses get hurt.
Oy vey! You’ve been well and truly Schlongedâ„¢! (Forever henceforth to stand for TrumpMarked).
It’s over. Ted Cruz suspended his campaign. Trump is the GOP nominee.
I am not sure whether we are in the tragedy or farce stage of history but it will be fascinating in a morbid way to see how this plays out.
Will Trump now change his style to pull the Republican party together? My answer: no way.
How fast until the news media start attacking Trump? Will they hold back until the convention to make sure he gets nominated? Probably. I believe Trump does not have 1237 delegates so I think it is technically possible that he is not the nominee.
John Hinderaker at Powerline thinks that Trump will beat Hillary. Of course, he was also a Rubio supporter.
I have not felt this bad about politics since the night of the election in 2012 when Obama was declared the victor.
mollynh:
If you can write “This is no worst than the eight years we just endured with O,” then you lack an imagination about the future and are also ignorant of history.
Perhaps the two go together.
blert,
I stand by what I said, “mistake” or no.
Bob_CA:
I think we are in the tragic farce stage.
Molly, I don’t think Trump is any fan of the rule of law, unless of course he’s found some interpretation of a law that he can use to bludgeon someone who crossed his path.
I have seen no rational scenarios where Trump wins more states than Romney did. He has the highest negative polling numbers ever seen, and that is before the main stream media starts in on him. The more likely scenario is he will lose in epic fashion in almost every state, taking the house and senate with him.
As Dick Tuck once said “The people have spoken, the bastards.”
Well kyndell do you think John kasich will ask HER about the rule of law ? I Don t know exactly how trump feels about the rule of law, but I do think he will make her squirm about it, that is what I want to see.
And Neo, history is bring made here, so what you thought you knew about the topic is no longer applicable. Get used to it more things will fall. & like Humpty Dumpy it won t be getting put back together again.
And Neo, history is bring made here, so what you thought you knew about the topic is no longer applicable. Get used to it more things will fall. & like Humpty Dumpy it won t be getting put back together again.
What you thought about the topic isn’t applicable either, since war and annihilation doesn’t care what people like you think.
Maybe if you had a revelation back in 2007, it would be different.