North Korea claims to have tested a hydrogen bomb
Maybe yes, maybe no; North Korea’s claims of testing an H-bomb are doubted, but might be true.
“We have consistently made clear that we will not accept [North Korea] as a nuclear state,” said a spokesman for the National Security Council. “We will continue to protect and defend our allies in the region, including the Republic of Korea, and will respond appropriately to any and all North Korean provocations.”.
Blah, blah, blah. The truth is that we have accepted North Korea as a nuclear state:
There is currently no diplomacy from the U.S. to restrain the nuclear development, so this test “also puts the U.S. on the spot.”…
The fact that the test has taken place, assuming it was successful, complicates the situation in Northeast Asia,” [Mike Chinoy of the U.S.-China Institute at USC] said. “Beijing had been becoming more friendly.”
Being more warm and cordial was hoped to restrain North Korea but now this places the Chinese authorities in a big dilemma.
I would say that many of the world’s nations have been in “a big dilemma” about North Korea and its nuclear program for several decades.
its no
and if you know how a hydrogen bomb works you would know this too…
but why let knowlege get in the way of the left and others bs games? i dont see that happening at all..
in order to have a hydrogen bomb
you need a working atomic bomb
the atomic bomb is the initiator for the hydrogen bomb
so if you dont have the atom bomb you cant have a hydrogen one.
and even more so, you also need the right case structure… the case of the bomb becomes the mirror that focuses the atom bomb onto the hydrogen bomb portion.
i could tell you a lot more..
but its obvious from the references used in other posts without the benefit of references to the refutations, that what is real doesnt matter.
or rather you believe your “in what we call the reality-based community”
except that that means: “That’s not the way the world really works anymore, We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
you keep playing catchup with bad data..
cherry picking what you like or dont like..
hard to get an accurate grasp on anything that way, and even more so if you dont adjust your skew by the foggy mental soup of the current society..
Artfldgr:
The North Koreans have long claimed to have working atomic bombs and to have tested them underground.
Some people doubt that, too, and some think it is true. I have reported on the reports about this new claim of a North Korean H-bomb—but I certainly take no stand on the matter, so I have no idea what you’re talking about when you appear to think that I do.
nuclear program was caused Iraq be blowup, also Israeli rush to destroy the nuclear center in Baghdad in 1981.
So nor NK neither Iran get hit like Iraq?
Where is the truth here?
Obama should draw a bright red line and dare the Norks to cross it.
When the threat becomes eminent… it’s too late.
It’s already too late for the US, of course. The threat of eminent internal traitors, with access to WMDs, doesn’t seem like something they can just bomb with drones to get rid of.
The North Koreans duped GWB and Condi.
Iran duped BHO, HRC and JFK.
How could we be so STUPID?
Learned interesting fact from former CIA guy working at Heritage. Even today NK uses the US banking system. Genius!
Where’s Wendy Sherman – she needs to take a bow for this!
Given that she was also lead negotiator for the Iran deal, at least we know how Iran’s nuke program will go.
I should add that after seeing Hillary yesterday, she can’t handle Iran and NK.
Dishonest, stupid, incompetent and corrupt.
Cornhead:
“Dishonest, stupid, incompetent and corrupt.”
Only?
I can think of several other descriptors, starting with “criminal”.
I can think of several other descriptors, starting with “criminal”.
The most damaging one came from an Huma Abedin email: “often confused”.
The rest of the world does not border NK as China does, Neo.
I doubt China looks with favor on the prospect of several million Norks crossing the Yalu into China, like ‘migrants’ from ‘Syria’ into Europe.
What are the Chinese to do? Seriously. They did the old Obama ‘Iran deal’ stunt by letting the Norks do their thing, with the same outcome as the US will have. Thought they could influence the Kims like Kerry thinks we can influence the Mad Mullahs.
Madness is Madness. Needs a bullet, not a palaver.
But back to the news out of North Korea: I don’t believe it either. I’m not saying their scientists are incapable of building a thermonuclear device, I’m agreeing with Art that their nuclear device (atom bomb) is even questionable. The first one they tried was almost certainly a dud. It appears from contemporary reporting that the trigger (conventional explosives) worked, but the nuclear part did not reach critical mass. Strategic intelligence reported the large explosion that was probably the trigger but not the double-flash signature of a nuclear device.
They have reportedly tried twice since then. One appears to have been a dud and the other might have worked, but that doesn’t make it sound as if they’re far enough up the learning curve to build a thermonuclear device.
I have no doubt they would like one, but a much better use for their nuclear device would be to sell it to Islamist terrorists or even Iran for hard currency. Syrian terrorists are reportedly willing to pay millions of dollars for “red mercury,” which is a hoax. Surely they’d pay tens of millions for a nuclear device.
Lizzy
Greatest thing yet in the Hillary emails. Her closest aide thinks Hillary is an idiot! I would use that every day if I was running a campaign.
She is not impressive. Not even very smart. Recall that we found out about http://www.clintonemail.com from a Romanian hacker. The Mafia and drug cartels use better email security.
She hectors a crowd in her speech. And it is either small stuff she wants to do or stuff that will never pass.
Agree with what Frog says. I would add that taking bets on a long life for Kim is probably not a good idea. He’s already pissed off the senior levels of his military by public assassinations that can’t make close relations with that institution a given. Now he pisses off China, the only government that will give him the time of day (other than John Kerry, of course). Someone must have stolen his copy of Dale Carnegie.
Correct, Lizzie. As Cornhead says, that needs to be repeated endlessly.
I left South Korea out (the other bordering nation).
Seoul is very close to the DMZ, and the Norks will obliterate Seoul, the heart of the ROK economy and the biggest population center, with hundreds of short range missiles should South Korea try to win by military muscle, crossing the DMZ to seize the NORK nukes. Obliterate Seoul in 30 minutes….kinda like taking out all of NYC with missiles based in CT.
So the ROKs have to play nice, basically, with the Mad Kim NORKs.
What we face with Iran, thanks be to Barack.
neo-neocon Says: Artfldgr: The North Koreans have long claimed to have working atomic bombs and to have tested them underground.
give me a break neo… if i put enough information that doesnt let people say stuff like that as if i missed it, you cut me down, if i dont, you make assumptions without the info, and mostly cause you and others dont have the depth of the information to consider that…
from urchins, to shells, to swan, and other things, there is no way for me to make a case if i cant speak enough and your subject requires a text book to cover the basics. heck, the news people could not even define what an atom was, which is something a 4th grader could answer… how could i even begin to assert and not get cut down? too muich to explain… i give up.. just shoot me as thats the best course of action for a better world…
they dont have an atomic bomb..
they ALL fizzeled.
Fizzle (nuclear test)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizzle_%28nuclear_test%29
In nuclear weapons, a fizzle occurs when the testing of a nuclear bomb grossly fails to meet its expected yield.
what do you want to know about nuclear weapons? how they work, what kinds there are, how the shells create a mirror for hydrogen to be pressed together, how gas centrifuges work?
this was a much much larger post and i cut it down..
the subject is too vast and hard to understand without accepting assertions or knowing things between speakers… all that will happen is you will cut this down if i try to explain the various kinds, and why they wont work, or why its not successful…
besides, you have not the knowlege to know if i am going to bs even then…
but given that the smallest first bomb detonation among nuclear states was 9 kilotons.. by pakistan… the likely atom bomb the koreans set off was .48 kilotons and requires vastly more skill than the 9 kt one.. and thats just the atom bomb not the hydrogen which is many many times harder to do.
its noise… if a .48 kt was easy to make, the Iranians would have that, tested it, and thats that.
but note… without special stuff to make things more efficient, and prevent pre-detonation by contamination, making a weapon that works and doesnt fizzle is not really possible… the tests are what tells you how to fix things going forwards… only states like sweden and israel have done such – and they lead the sciences in the world with a few others and have the help of other leaders…
aint no way they have a hydrogen bomb..
they dont even have an atomic one.
does anyone really think they made a SWAN type device at that level of skill? not likely… [swan is in the XW-45 warhead developed in the 1950s] those things require super lathes whose tolerances are so incredible their making and use is top secret..
you have to be able to make the tools before you can make the structures that make the devices
neo,
Perhaps in the future you should submit all your posts to ArtfldgrsGhost for his editorial approval…
Artfldgr:
Let me repeat, with emphasis for clarity: “the North Koreans have long CLAIMED to have atomic bombs.”
True. They have indeed made that claim.
“Some people doubt that, too, and some think it is true.”
True. Some people believe it, some people do not.
What do I think is true? I haven’t said a single word about it—nor have I said a single word about what I think about whether they now have a hydrogen bomb.
So, as I said before: “I certainly take no stand on the matter, so I have no idea what you’re talking about when you appear to think that I do.”
It is precisely because I don’t know much about nuclear weapons—just the basics—that I have not expressed an opinion on the subject.
So—as I believe I’ve written to you many times before—if you want to offer information, do so. I will shorten your comments if they are very, very long. But you should offer information without the gratuitous insults and/or remarks that indicate you think commenters (me or others) are making claims they are actually not making.
I was living in South Korea when the North announced their fission bomb. Out of curiosity and self-preservation, I read all that I could about their bomb. I also talked to Koreans who knew about the North’s military capabilities. Although I could never be sure about their assertions, eventually I became convinced that the bomb was real, and that’s now the common belief.
Today I read all that I could about the North’s claim to have detonated a fusion bomb, and I’ve concluded that their claim is false.
Consensus isn’t always wrong.
Well. He certainly gave them what for.
“give me a break neo… if i put enough information that doesnt let people say stuff like that as if i missed it, you cut me down, if i dont, you make assumptions without the info, and mostly cause you and others dont have the depth of the information to consider that…”
Oh go pound sand up your commodious backside. If you’ve got the critical information,. Dgr, either put up or shut up/
On second thought, put up AND shut UP!
You have become dull.
Uh-Oh!
Vanderleun’s pissed.
Now that is serious.
Cornflour:
What lead you to conclude the claim to a hydrogen bomb is false?
NK has a track record of false claims. It is likely they have a few fission warheads. As artfldgr condescendingly and others minus the smugness note, a hydrogen bomb is a bomb of a different color. Do they have one, difficult to know but not impossible. Do they want one, of course.
F Says:
January 6th, 2016 at 4:17 pm
But back to the news out of North Korea: I don’t believe it either. I’m not saying their scientists are incapable of building a thermonuclear device, I’m agreeing with Art that their nuclear device (atom bomb) is even questionable.
Dosen’t matter you beleve or not stay in your deep sleep. Ask Mr prisident Bush threatens you with a Mushroom Cloud.
Where would that Mushroom cloud come from?
Who would drop a nuke on the US? Who would be able to smuggle in all the parts to build such a multi-million dollar operation?
They scared the piss out of you with Russians for years, Grow up. or keep on your deep sleep
Neo: The North Koreans have long claimed to have working atomic bombs and to have tested them underground.
Bruce Klingner
Fourth North Korean nuclear
Prior to joining Heritage in 2007, Klingner spent 20 years in the intelligence community working at the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency. In 1993, he was the selected as Chief of CIA’s Korea Branch which provided analytic reports on military developments during the nuclear crisis with North Korea. From 1996-2001, Klingner was the Deputy Chief for Korea in the CIA’s Directorate of Intelligence
Japan,
You are in my time zone; I would appreciate your removal to another time zone…. Tokyo will do.
Building an H-bomb (a fusion bomb) is much more complicated than an atom bomb (a fission bomb). The Norks are full of crap, especially since the seismic readings were the same as previous atom bomb tests, even though a comparable H-bomb is 100 times stronger.
The significance of this test is in reminding the world that once you let a country go nuclear, there’s no restraining them.
parker
don’t bother youself just pass my comment…… Be happy
vanderleun Says: Oh go pound sand up your commodious backside. If you’ve got the critical information,. Dgr, either put up or shut up/
OK
[by the way i was born boring but before abortions… too bad for you, eh? thats ok, eventually i will be gone and you can put the party hats on]
lets see what happens – we start with 2006
as that sets the stage for today…
An official in France’s Atomic Energy Commission reported that they estimated the blast was “about or less than a kiloton” and expressed uncertainty about whether or not the blast was actually nuclear
There have been various large planned and unplanned non-nuclear explosions comparable in yield to small nuclear detonations, such as the U.S. “Minor Scale” explosion from 1985, which used conventional explosives to simulate a 4 kiloton detonation.
According to the Washington Times anonymous U.S. intelligence sources speculated there “was a seismic event that registered about 4 on the Richter scale, but it still isn’t clear if it was a nuclear test. You can get that kind of seismic reading from high explosives” The Wall Street Journal explains that this blast was equivalent to the explosive force of about US$100,000 worth of ammonium nitrate.
lets see.. your broke, your people are starving, the world hates you and it costs billions to make a nuclear weapon… but you can get the same bang by building a hole in the ground and filling it with Amonium nitrate at a cost of 100k
that then gets you billions in aid as you then say, no, we arent working on that we will hold off.
Since 1995, the United States has provided North Korea with over $1 billion in assistance, about 60% of which has paid for food aid and 40% or so paying for energy assistance. As shown in Table 1 below, U.S. aid fell significantly in the mid-2000s, bottoming out at zero in FY2006.
yes… they did that the year their free money want to ZERO
so what happens next? well right after that, G Bush decided to give them freebies again…
When obama came to office, that all stopped in 2009… then the regime change to the child of the parent…
so after trying to get cash from obama since they got it from bush the last time after doing this, they did what?
the previous test caused the western markets to react like they did the past few days… however, they ALSO caused the south korean market to drop quite a bit
when the announcment of this came out, south korea market did not drop, ours did, and then south koreas market went up… they arent particularly worried.
now… if you can generate such an explosion with 100,000 dollars of conventional fertilizer, and that gets you 1.3 billion… why not try again?
after all, when people kill someone and get insurance money and get away with it, they tend to do it again till they get caught… no?
Now, in order to understand why an assertion that the test was not a test yourself, you have to understand how nuclear bombs work from atom bombs to hydrogen bombs and what the different things that are done to control pre-ignition, shrinking down yeilds, and more..
given that i am being insulted to write, and this is already long, and the rest would be many many many times longer just to go over the basics, and be boring to venderluen and others…
i will just stop here.
of course, you can compare my boring analysis with the random opinoins and snark and i see you value snark and bs over facts… but facts take space, and complicated subjects in which there are sections in a library divoted to it with hudnreds of books is something i cant summarize to people who dont have a lot of information.
this is not an insult to those people… but more a testimony to why i am so boring… i am not hip and insulting like the cool people are. i dont entertain strangers for their amusment and then narcisistic accolades from them
[edited for length by n-n]