Some blunt talk on “migrants” to Europe from a French ex-minister
Which he then tried to walk back.
Here’s how it went:
A former French minister stirred up controversy Friday after saying Germany “took our Jews and gave us Arabs” as France began taking some of the thousands of refugees arriving in Germany.
Patrick Devedjian, a right-winger who served in the governments of presidents Jacques Chirac and Nicolas Sarkozy, made the remark at a press conference, but quickly tried to backtrack on social media.
“My humorous jest was misplaced,” Devedjian wrote on his Twitter account, saying he regretted it all the more because he himself helps refugees in need.
Devedjian, who comes from an Armenian family and now leads the Hauts-de-Seine region of wealthy suburbs west of Paris, said the joke was meant to be about Syrian and Iraqi refugees.
Actually, when I first read his remark, I didn’t perceive it as a joke. I saw it as a statement of fact. Of course, the Germans didn’t do either thing without a significant amount of French cooperation.
And the fact that Devedjian is of Armenian ethnicity is probably not irrelevant.
The “joke” that was not a joke has various interesting elements:
—the linkage of Germany’s WWII activities with its present-day guilt trip over those activities and the resultant bending-over-backward to atone
—the commonality of German dominance both in WWII and in the present, telling France what to do
—subtle acknowledgement of the fact that Arabs and Jews are ethnically linked, if not equivalent
—awareness of the fact that, despite that ethnic linkage, there are vast and troubling cultural differences that don’t shape up in favor of the superiority of the Arab ethos
In other related news: now whoever would have guessed that this was about to happen? (That’s sarcasm, by the way):
Muslim radicals in Germany are trying to recruit some of the growing numbers of asylum seekers reaching the country, according to intelligence services quoted by the German news agency DPA.
The Islamic extremists “are trying to approach the young unaccompanied refugees, who arrive in our country without their families and are particularly looking for contacts and support,” a spokesman for the intelligence service in the southern state of Bavaria told DPA.
The number of terrorists and potential terrorists in Europe have already reached such high numbers that authorities cannot possibly monitor all that are on the security radar screen. In fact, nearly all of the recent attackers were “known to authorities” as suspicious characters, and yet they slipped through and were able to attack. So what’s the remedy? Why, import a lot more people to screen and try to follow!
Then we have Peggy Noonan, who writes about the problems in Europe with her customary mix of kindness, insight, and fuzzy thinking:
What a crisis Europe is in, with waves of migrants reaching its shores as the Arab world implodes. It is the biggest migration into Europe since the end of World War II and is shaping up to be its first great and sustained challenge of the 21st century. It may in fact shape that continent’s nature and history as surely as did World War I.
What’s muddled about that? “It is the biggest migration into Europe since the end of World War II…” But the migrations and DP camps of Europe during and after WWII were not migrations INTO Europe, they were almost entirely migrations of Europeans within Europe. Some Europeans were lucky enough to be able to leave Europe and come to the United States or Australia or Canada or other calmer countries outside Europe, of course. But off the top of my head I fail to recall large groups of Japanese citizens arriving on Europe’s shores during and after WWII—or citizens of other non-European country affected by WWII. There was an influx of people from countries that had been colonies of Britain (for example, India), but they were not refugees from WWII and in any event represented carefully controlled and regulated legal immigration from a Commonwealth country.
Later in her essay, Noonan does manage to inject an interesting statistic, and although she doesn’t source it, it conforms with what I’ve read elsewhere: “Seventy-two percent[of the current refugees] are men, only 13% women and 15% children.”
Noonan later writes:
The decision-makers feel disdain for the anxieties of normal people, and ascribe them to small-minded bigotries, often religious and racial, and ignorant antagonisms. But normal people prize order because they can’t buy their way out of disorder.
People in gated communities of the mind, who glide by in Ubers, have bought their way out and are safe. Not to mention those in government-maintained mansions who glide by in SUVs followed by security details. Rulers can afford to see national-security threats as an abstraction””yes, yes, we must better integrate our new populations. But the unprotected, the vulnerable, have a right and a reason to worry.
I understand what Noonan is saying here, and I’ve said a version of it myself. But I think she’s fooling herself (and the “elites” are fooling themselves) if she thinks anyone is safe. We are all threatened by terrorism, home-grown or imported. We are all threatened by vast unassimilated groups of people from religions and cultures that are not merely different from ours but are militantly opposed to ours, cultures in which large segments of the population are devotees of a religion and politics that is dedicated to our destruction and/or subservience and/or conversion. One tool by which this might occur is through Hijira, the doctrine of jihad by immigration.
The cuckoo is one of the more interesting migrants in the animal kingdom. It spends part of the year in sunny Africa, but nests and breeds in Europe. Cuckoos appropriate the nests of other birds to lay eggs. The lark or dove in turn does not recognize the egg threat and even feeds the cuckoo chicks after they hatch. Eventually, the larger aggressive cuckoo chicks either evict or kill any host offspring.
Brood parasitism features several related behaviors; egg mimicry, egg or chick evictions, or once the cuckoo chick is established, nest fratricide. Still, no cuckoo ever becomes a chickadee.
Elites:
Journalist asks Frané§ois Hollande if he’d be willing to take some refugees home.
Answer, “I do not have a second home available at the moment”…
Ps: Hollande makes a point of calling them ‘refugees’ and not migrants.
Why read satire?
Of course!:
In Germany, Syrian refugees seek out a Jewish welfare organization.
Why read fiction?
From Bookworm, a link to a video of Milton Friedman in which he explains the difference between immigration in 1914 and after the establishment of the welfare state. (LBJ’s Great Society and War Poverty.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwDhx1XkXX0
The part on immigration begins at 9:30 minutes. The whole video (43 minutes) is worthwhile viewing.
His points about this issue applies even more so to Europe. Best to send aid to keep these refugees in camps in the ME. In the long run it will cost much, much less.
Refugees are making a good start in assimilating into European ways.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33999801
Most Armenians are Christian. Many survived the Turkish genocide only by fleeing to Syria, and mainly to Aleppo. In general, they support Assad, who protected them from the Muslim majority.
Air conditioned tents available at a camp in a saintly place.
Why read parody?
Again. This disaster is almost entirely the fault of Barack and Hillary.
I sent neo the article on their teaching the pillars of islam to christian children in school, but not allwing christian history. they also taught the islmic prayer.
in true fashion your going to eventually have feminists on one side, and islam on the other, they are NOT compatible. the thesis (feminism held down) and the antithesis (islam) will be put together to create a new synthesis.
now that feminism has exterminated most of the residents of western countries (demographics) their need for foreign imigrants drives their desire to have warm bodies come. their idea of equality means that they wont discern them, and their politics of multiculturalism cant change fast enough to do anything.
germany, france, england, usa, each among others cant pay for their elderly after 40 feminist years of below replacement. meanwhile, as a voting block the spanish and islamics and men disenfranchised makes for a bigger group than the denuded residential feminist women… so as before they are switching sides to be on the bigger side (as they did with the south in the US, then with women vs men, and then race, etc)
a long while back i said this was happening, but got pish toshed and the numbers were not examined.
Germany Fights Population Drop – The New York Times
Germany’s demographic and economic collapse
German population shrinks as QUARTER of men say ‘no’ to kids
Why is Britain’s population now declining?
frances grew but thats because they are closer tro immigration
the ideological backers of eugenics, selling baby parts and causing women to hate men and behave in ways that men hate them back, has resulted in collapse of the populations that created these countries and the political need for linflux..
these are all titles of articles that say the same thing from every feminist country
Sweden Will Have To Become A Lot Less Blond
Sweden in Crisis by Carl Bildt
Italian birth rate continues to sink and drag down Italian “life
Italy’s in terminal decline, and no one has the guts to stop it
i still wonder how many of the 200 countries do i have to list that share the same problem of feminisms self extermination? go ahead, tell us that beign wealthy means people dont have kids, then realize that pelosi has 5 kids, and most of the wealthy in the US have a good amount. schadt the geneticst has 5… long list.
meanwhile others cant have them, like my wife and i due to the politics causing economic problems.
Spain’s Population Declines in Sign of Europe’s Woes
Why Is Spain’s Population Loss An Economic Problem?
this was discussed politcally long ago, and most people missed it and dont want to accept it as they are told the ideology forced on them is the greatest thign… so great we changed law, constituition, made classes in a classless society, played favorites, divided the population along birth lines, and on and on… and now are reworking the military into a funky defunct thing that cant defend us… with males who cant do what the prior society can do as dads could not teach them to be effective, not being there.
i wonder if all those females will enjoy the fight that is coming… after all, there are a lot of men who are disenfranchised nad will side with islam to have a place in a famliy again… and what is the other side offering them? more favoritism and taking away?
pull up a chair and pop some popcorn and be happy that i wont live long enough to see the issues full flower… at least i hope i wont as old people and such conflict dont do well together.
Sort of OT (and I apologize) – –
neo: “Then we have Peggy Noonan, whose writes about the problems in Europe with her customary mix of kindness, insight, and fuzzy thinking ….”
What a great description. Noonan always seems to have a goofy aspect mixed in with wonderful insight and (it never struck me before) kindness. Her writing sometimes sounds like she has taken quaaludes.
Her book on Hillary was absolutely amazing and did not have any “confused thinking,” just great insight. It probably should be a classic up there with T. Wolfe’s stuff.
pull up a chair and pop some popcorn and be happy that i wont live long enough to see the issues full flower… at least i hope i wont as old people and such conflict dont do well together.
Maybe the Feminist will put you in a camp?
Maybe?
“But I think she’s fooling herself (and the “elites” are fooling themselves) if she thinks anyone is safe.”
Noonan is indeed kidding herself but IMO the greatest threat to the elite is not that an Islamic movement will destroy them all. The greatest threat to them and all of us is the loss of liberty that will result with the probable imposition of nationwide martial law in the face of greatly heightened Islamic terrorist activity. If martial law is declared under a democrat administration, the Constitution will be ‘amended’ so thoroughly as to be unrecognizable.
G6loq at 3:12 pm,
Outstanding analogy.
Noonan notes the decision-makers and their disdain for the anxieties of normal people. She remains, as ever, obtuse. Deeper, darker, and far beyond the disdain for their anxieties, they have a disdain for the people themselves, for their whiteness, heritage, Christianity, culture. The madness of the elite is their utter contempt for where they had come from, contempt for all three thousand years that had been the making of them. This is madness in the clinical sense. What’s to be done with such people? Commitment? straight-jackets? Water hoses? Lobotomies? No. We elect them to high office to represent us. Sweden is now the first organized society to have reconstituted itself – from nation to lunatic asylum. Others follow. It’s no mere disdain of anxieties this. It’s contempt. And greater ‘s the pity for people not having the eyes to see, or ears to hear the utter contempt.
“I don’t expect you people to be capable of truth but, goddamit, at least you’re capable of self-preservation. – Howard Beale (Peter Finch, Network)
I believe hominids from the very beginning, from as far back as Homo naledi probably, had a self-preservation genetic code somewhere along their double helix. For lack of Greek, or Latin, and an education to go with them, I refer to it as the ‘fuck you’ gene. I wonder how far one has to be pushed for it to kick-in?
You might be conflating two different possibly genetically based impulses, only one of which is relatively universal and which is also one which can just as easily be satisfied by crawling on all fours and adapting to whatever regime or collective looks to be in the ascendant, or makes the biggest threats.
If you listen to the language used by the genetic serf class, also known as the “community values crowd”, you will notice that their watchwords are acceptance, welcoming, integration, and the like. They have a survival instinct of sorts, it’s just manifest as a different strategy: they will become more or less anything.
For all Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s big talk, she’d probably drape herself in a hijab just a quick as you could say “Jumpin’ Jack Flash”. Just trading one form of noxious totalitarian collectivism – progressivism – for another.
What you are probably talking about is the reactance impulse; a desire to self-direct, a resentment against encroachment and presumption.
Hell, that is so unusual in modern America, that it is the subject of study at universities, by John Haidt for example, trying to figure out why liberty is perceived as a moral value by some subset of the masculine population.
And of course there is the task of trying to determine the source of the mystery of American men who still bristle at insult.
“If You Must Insult Someone, Pick a Northerner, Michigan Study Finds”
And here (for the second or third time from me) is what American womanhood used to be :”At three o’clock got in motion; marched to Pleasant Garden Ford, Catawba river; forded it, and continued our march to one George Cathy’s plantation, about a mile and a half from Devore’s. Pleasant Garden is a very handsome place. I was surprised to see so beautiful a tract of land in the mountains. This settlement is composed of the most violent Rebels I ever saw, particularly the young ladies. ”
The question is: What percentage of Americans are really fit to be free? Not deserving of being treated generously because they are human beings too; or because “all pweople deserve to ‘spress themsevs” but “fit” in the sense of having an appetite for liberty which their character and constitution can actually support.
Well, nobody worry, I’m not going to put up the “twitter girl selfies” link again.
But again, why defend someone who will not defend themselves?
This settlement is composed of the most violent Rebels I ever saw, particularly the young ladies. ”
Elites beware!:
From left to right, Merkel, Hollande, Juncker, the Pope …
That’s how Mussolini ended b-t-w …
Just sayin’
One of the problems with guilt on a civilization level, is that without the proper religion to deal with it and funnel it into a productive venue, what people end up with is a civilization killer event.
For example, the norse vikings didn’t feel much guilt about raiding communities and taking more women back home to diversify the DNA coding and produce more children that grow up to be raiders. Danegeld was for the Danes, who were part of the Norse culture grouping back in 790 AD just about, along with the Swedes and the Norwegians (Finland was part of a different proto culture).
But they did end up in a few hundred years of creating a stable feudal system and they gave their descendants, the Norwegians and Swedes of today, the choice of what to do in their prosperous and homogeneously non violent culture/nation. But about the future of the Swedish and Norwegian generations, will they inherit the same good deal as the previous Ruling Elites of the Swe/Norway generations? Or will the inheritance line end right here in this century, as the women and children of the Swedes and Norwegians are raped, killed, and taken for Islamic JIhad’s harems.
That’s what guilt does to civilizations when you just let it hang out like that for awhile.
But again, why defend someone who will not defend themselves?
People gave you answers to that question concerning individuals in the past. You just ignored it because what you were really asking was a question that had no meaning. As in “why defend the entirety of human civilization when somebody in it doesn’t deserve it”. Another version of that would be “why defend someone when there exists other people that doesn’t deserve such defense”. It’s akin to the question theologians once asked about why evil exists if God is in power. The only way to answer the question is by changing the question to apply more to the world we live in.
But it has no meaning for human motivations, people defend individuals, not abstract ideals. And even for abstract ideals, there are people that must be sacrificed, most people just never notice them.
For lack of Greek, or Latin, and an education to go with them, I refer to it as the ‘fuck you’ gene. I wonder how far one has to be pushed for it to kick-in?
Remember that guy who went to an island and killed some children?
Just like McVeigh, there are destabilizing factors in Scandinavian culture and politics which doesn’t allow certain kinds of freedom. Those people tend to turn to terrorism as a sort of desperation ploy.
Michael Moore once said something about Iraqi insurgents being freedom fighters, because their enemies called them terrorists. One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. I wasn’t sure if he was talking about Iraqis, in retrospect, or the people the Left burned alive.
https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2015/06/22/anders-brevik-domestic-terrorist-or-freedom-fighter/
For Anders Brevik, something pushed him that far. He probably didn’t see any political or non violent solution, given the state of affairs in his nation. Or former nation as the case may be.
For most people, they extremely dislike freedom fighters or insurgents. The same was true before the American Revolution. 33% were loyalists, loyal to the British king that is, not Washington. That’s why it’s important to seize the moment when the occupation cracks down on the natives. That’s when the natives are forced to pick a side.
The articles in that link came from some time ago. This issue is not new to the Europeans at all.
DNW Says:
You might be conflating two different possibly genetically based impulses, only one of which is relatively universal and which is also one which can just as easily be satisfied by crawling on all fours and adapting to whatever regime or collective looks to be in the ascendant, or makes the biggest threats.
“Crawling on all fours and adapting to whatever… ” – to what extent, to what purpose. The Inquisition sought out Jews who had become ‘Christian’ converts — ‘conversos’. Many Muslims, who’d stayed behind after the Spanish Reconquista and converted were ‘moriscos’. The term eventually came to mean also, depending on context, crypto-Muslim. Had they adapted? Or had they finagled? But this goes beyond what I’d been getting at. The ‘F*** you’ impulse is not necessarily a violent reaction. It was evident throughout seventy years of intra-Soviet terror, threat, inculcation, gulags, Pravda, and Izvestia. Seventy years could not eradicate Russia, for it took not even twenty years for the old soviets to become Russians. As Putin so succinctly put it America “Whose is the Godless country now”?
When the Greeks experienced an economic crisis Germany did not experience a “guilt trip over those (WWII) activities and the resultant bending-over-backward to atone”. The left are notorious for their ability to make false analogies and their assumption that assimilated Jews are in any way similar to devout Muslims is ludicrous. The antisemitic Nazis themselves are a much closer fit to the antisemitic Muslim immigrants.
The left has lifted the cudgel of racism to beat their opponents through ad hominem attacks but they lack a rational moral platform to justify their opposition to racism. Indeed, racism (tribalism) is a integral part of natural selection which ensures the cohesion and survival of rival ethnic groups. What you are witnessing now is genocide against the white Europeans because they have been conditioned by the left to feel guilty for protecting their borders and their homeland.
Once one accepts that Evolution is a scientific theory, that means that evolution can no more be suspended than the laws of gravity (or curved space for those who want to quibble) can be nullified. Competition between races (tribes) is unavoidable. The only way to enable races (tribes) to live together peacefully without war is to define fair rules where the groups can compete peacefully. According to those rules (capitalism) resources are distributed according to how successful individuals from various groups are. The groups then thrive or flounder depending on how successful they are in offering goods and services other people value.
Once one moves from fair competition to equality of outcome or to a welfare society the survival advantage is shifted towards massive reproduction of the least successful individuals and groups who have more freedom and leisure to copulate and to raise families at the expense of the more productive individuals and groups who are busy working. In that setting the fact that the Muslim ummah is one vast dystopia gives them a survival advantage since their survival is determined exclusively by their birth rate and is completely disconnected from their ability to produce goods and services which other people value.
Per CIA World Factbook: there are about 4.2M German men age 15-24.
Germany is expected to get 800,000 asylum claims just this year.
The government is talking of taking 500,000 migrants annually for the next several years, and Chancellor Angela Merkel calls the crisis “the next great European project.” …
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It is an ironic fact that the Greeks – so roiled by their bankruptcy and everyone by the Euro-debt crisis – prohibit and reject what their chief lenders, the Germans, now embrace by alms: Muslims who will erect Mosques among them.
No one has speculated how much, or how little, the two crises might be linked?
Meanwhile, FT has the public polling data on Das Neue Zeit (The New Times), and it is large:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/43c48bae-586f-11e5-a28b-50226830d644.html#ixzz3lVvvMQ9z
But not Arabs or Syrians?
The mind reels.
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On the 4th of September, former president of the Czech Republic, Vaclav Klaus, apparently launched a petition to parliament to staunch the immigration wave welcomed by neighboring Germany. Self-interest and security loom large, as well as constitutional duty, according to the text.
An excerpt of the petition that’s doing quite well:
Etcetera.
SOURCE, physicist Lubos Motl in Pilsen, CZ
http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/09/klaus-petition-against-immigration.html
I believe this is Noonan’s source. It is actually just for sea arrivals.
http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html
Tonawanda
I don’t remember Noonan being that soft concerning Sarah Palin.
In one of his Flashman novels, George MacDonald Fraser imagined the feelings of Plains Indians confronted with an endless flood of European migrants. I imagine that this pretty closely tracks what many Europeans today are feeling (or soon will be feeling) about today’s immigration wave:
You see, before ’49, if you were a Crow or an Arapaho or a Cheyenne, you might sit on a ridge and watch the schooners crawl across the empty prairie, one at a time, perhaps only a solitary train in a week. You might trade with it, or take a slap at it for devilment, to run off a few horses, but mostly you’d leave it alone, since it was doing no harm, apart from reducing the grazing along the North Platte or the Arkansas, and thinning the game a little. But the Indian just had to turn his back and ride a few miles to be in clear country which the caravans never touched, the bison herds ran free, and game abounded. There was still plenty for everyone.
It was different after ’49. A hundred thousand folk need a power of meat and wood and fodder; they must forage wide on either side of the trail, in what to them is virgin country, and wreak havoc among the buffalo and smaller game; they must strip the grazing to its roots—and it ain’t in human nature for them to think, in all that vastness, what it may mean for those few figures sitting on the ridge over yonder…but if you are those figures, Crow or Arapaho or Cheyenne, watching the torrent that was once a trickle, seeing it despoil the Plains on which you depend for life, and guess that it’s going to get bigger by the year, and that what was once a novelty is now a menace—what d’you do? Precisely what the squire in his Leicestershire acres, or his New England meadow, would do if crowds of noisy, selfish foreigners began to trek through ruining the place. Remonstrate—and when that don’t work, because the intruders can’t see what damage they’re doing, and don’t care anyway—what d’you do then? I’ll tell you; Leicestershire squire, New England farmer, Cheyenne Dog-Soldier or Kiowa Hose-Cap, you see that there’s only one thing for it: you put your paint on.
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/49641.html
Great column.
In Germany, Syrian refugees seek out a Jewish welfare organization
Civilizational suicide. Lemmings following orders to plunge, leaving the Chief lemmings behind. It is a rare privilege to witness it evolving over such a short moment in time.
Every Swiss household is by law armed. Don’t see anything about the Muzzies hurtling into Switzerland, do you?
Ethnic cleansing is part of the macro human order, apparently. It will be coming here sooner than later. Question is whether one wants to be a cleanser or a cleansee.
I think you’re going to find more and more European women converting to Islam and marrying Muslim men. even if as second or third wives. Evolutionary Biology will propel them to mate with men who will produce children who have the best chance to survive and thrive — and that’s not European men.
Being a wife of a Muslim also means you are protected from gang rape, although not family rape.
I told people and they could have benefited if they had actually believed me.
Members of the Left will obey their orders when the Islamic death squads command them to give over the addresses and targeting information for the families of American families that resist Islam and the Left.
They will direct the death and rape squads right to your doors, right to the schools of your children.
How is it not so? What more evidence do the blind need to get before they can see?
http://neoneocon.com/2015/05/12/bearing-witness-to-the-reich/#comment-893300
Back then I was focusing on domestic American Democrat death squads like the infamous Democrat KKK.
But I was well aware of Islamic Jihad’s ticking clock in Europe. Looks like somebody over there lost their patience.
Assuming this wasn’t all started as a result of Benghazi, Libya, and Syria being engineered to collapse as a result of Hussein. Then that would mean it all started back in the US.
Back then I also wrote, “Snowden’s data tap and output was useful in that vein, to let those of us who were wiser, figure out what the limits were.”
and
“It is easy to suspect that whatever damage Snowden did, is small compared to the internal spies in the US gov.”
What’s easy for me seems overly difficult for others, as they gape in awe or shocked zombie stiffness, watching HRC’s spy espionage ring being exposed.
I dn’t think Noonan is fooling herself, she is just stating the position of the “elites” — the same people who rhapsodized over Occupy and agree, from a safe distance, with the Black Lives Matter crew. They think they are safe from any bad parts of these movements, and also immigration, and so can identify with the parts they think are good, which in their minds makes them “good” people.