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  1. “The United States is an outlier, both in our lack of serious policies toward guns and in our mortality rates. Hemenway calculates that the U.S. firearm homicide rate is seven times that of the next country in the rich world on the list, Canada, and 600 times higher than that of South Korea.

    We need universal background checks with more rigorous screening, limits on gun purchases to one a month to reduce trafficking, safe storage requirements, serial number markings that are more difficult to obliterate, waiting periods to buy a handgun – and more research on what steps would actually save lives. If the federal government won’t act, states should lead.

    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/article32493027.html#storylink=cpy

  2. Fred:

    Why not mention the elephant in the room? The elephant is the fact that US gun death rates are not such big outliers except in the US black community. The difference between the US and other developed countries is mostly (although not entirely) in its black community, and most crimes in the black community with black victims are black-on-black crime.

    See this:

    But these comparisons neglect a massively important fact, and one that is especially pertinent in the wake of the Charleston shootings.

    Extending on an analysis by the academic Kieran Healy, I calculated the rate of U.S. homicide deaths by racial group, based on the CDC WONDER data.3 From 2010 through 2012, the annual rate of homicide deaths among non-Hispanic white Americans was 2.5 per 100,000 persons, meaning that about one in every 40,000 white Americans is a homicide victim each year. By comparison, the rate of homicide deaths among non-Hispanic black Americans is 19.4 per 100,000 persons, or about 1 in 5,000 people per year.

    Black Americans are almost eight times as likely as white ones to be homicide victims, in other words.

    So for white Americans, the homicide death rate is not so much of an outlier. It’s only modestly higher than in Finland, Belgium or Greece, for instance, and lower than in Chile or Latvia.

  3. “Hemenway calculates that the U.S. firearm homicide rate is seven times that of the next country in the rich world on the list, Canada, and 600 times higher than that of South Korea.” Fred

    “The Color of Crime
    Race, Crime, and Justice in America – Second, Expanded Edition, 2005
    Major Findings:
    Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
    Crime Rates
    Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
    When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
    Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
    The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
    Interracial Crime
    Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
    Gangs
    Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
    Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
    Incarceration
    Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
    Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

    In 2010, Vermont had the lowest gun murder rate in the country per 100,000 at 0.3%. Washington DC had the highest gun murder rate at 16.5%. Vermont is 95.3% white and 1% black, virtually tied with Maine for the highest white pop. Washington DC is 37% white and 47% black, with the highest black percentage in the nation.

    The top gun murder rates in states and black and Hispanic population percentages closely correlate. Asian percentages do NOT correlate, which IMO means that it is NOT race per se that is the determinative factor but culture.

    Note also that black and Hispanic crime rates and incarceration rates closely correlate.

    “2008 (Jan-June) New York City Crime Statistics by Race (from Yahoo News)
    -83% of all gun assailants were black, while making up 24% of the population
    -Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98% of all gun assailants
    -49 of every 50 muggings and murders were carried out by blacks or Hispanics
    -Blacks and Hispanics commit 96% of the crimes in New York, but include only 85% of those stopped during ‘stop and frisk’ incidents.”

    Since racism is an equal opportunity oppressor, the close correlation between crime and incarceration rates disproves the charge of a racist system.

    According to UN statistics, Canada’s murder rate is 1.6 per 100,000 population. FBI statistics show the state of Wyoming to have the highest gun ownership rate of 59.7% with an 85.9% white pop. but Wyoming has a lower murder rate than Canada with a 1.4% murder rate per 100,000 population. 40 other states have a higher gun violence rate than Wyoming and 9 states have a higher white pop.

    These statistics demonstrate that more gun laws and regulations are NOT needed, instead what is needed is a more moral/ethical culture, one that places its highest value upon individual lives.

    “Our Constitution (individual liberty under the rule of law) was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

    NO amount of laws will suffice in a lawless, unethical culture.

  4. This is mostly gang violence and the gangs are blacks and Hispanics. Thanks again Barack! Fundamental change nearly complete.

  5. I think the fact that so many young blacks are not anchored in families and healthy communities is why so many seek their own community in gangs. I wonder how many were even taken to the local library to get their first library card. No wonder they fall for the BS that learning to read is acting white. The Obamas think that an EBT card and school lunches can fix what is missing for these kids. Black Lives Matter from the time of conception–not just when they commit crimes and get shot.

  6. Looking at the data it is clear why those evil southerners created segregation. Separate schools, separate towns, and separate neighborhoods were a way of protecting whites from crime and violence. The system was unfair to decent, hard working blacks and it was indefensible under our laws.

    Now whites and middle class blacks try to find schools and neighborhoods with small black populations. This drives up commuting costs and housing costs. In many towns and cities the only option is private schools.

  7. Apparently in Texas on a podcast there was a calling for blacks to kill cops and to lynch white people. This, a few days before the killing. This was from a group that is an offshoot in spirit, if not officially, from the #blacklivesmatter group – which is a loosely organized group to begin with though it has actual founders and a real, ongoing presence. Or maybe they are affiliated with #blacklivesmatter but they seem more of an offshoot or related group. You may have seen this already Neo but here:
    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/28/black-activists-called-for-lynching-and-hanging-of-white-people-and-cops/

    I find this more than alarming and I think it will continue. I do think your comparison to the early 70’s is very appropo. The anti-cop antagonism is more “acceptable” now as I can bet you that it is being pushed on college campuses by far left academics who are endemic there. And yes, the MSM seems to be pushing anti-cop narratives more often than not. Really bad for everyone and for the police, but also for the minority communities that will suffer from less ardent policing. This is just — the worst thing.

    I feel of course for the police officer, friends and family and his community.

    I am glad that the press conference was clear on the issues here with executing police.

    Thanks also for the stats Geoffrey Britain, I have seen many but you pulled them together here very succinctly.

  8. In Boise, ID a city of 216,000 there were four murders last year. In Jackson, MS a city of 170,000, there were fifty murders. It’s not guns. It’s race which is a marker for a violent subculture.

    It’s also not poverty. Maine is a poor state with a low murder rate.

  9. Mr. Frank:

    Actually, though, I don’t think black crime rates were so very much higher than white ones right after slavery. I think it wasn’t till the 1960s that black crime rates as compared to white ones really rose so much that the disparity was many many multiples. Sowell has written about that sort of thing, I believe (can’t find it right now).

  10. Neo,

    And what happened in the 60’s? It was the civil rights era which ended night stick justice and a lot of police brutality. Under the old system blacks had lots of leeway on the bad side of town, but crimes against whites resulted in swift “justice.”

  11. Kudos to Geoffrey Britain for bringing statistics to bear on the issue. The truth of the matter is easy to see.

    His conclusions are also exactly right. Ethical standards and a respect for the law matter greatly in a free society.

    Poverty does not necessarily lead to criminality. If it did, Justice Clarence Thomas and Dr. Ben Carson would both be in prison today. Good parenting makes a difference.

    I believe that all murders of LEOs should carry an automatic death penalty with no exceptions and only one appeal available. And the executions should be highly publicized. It’s important to stand behind the thin blue line that protects society from the criminals in our midst.

  12. Mr. Frank:

    Sowell has written quite a few books on the subject. He does not, as far as I can recall, agree with you. He ascribes the changes to liberal policies, especially those regarding welfare and the discouragement of the black family that resulted. Before the 60s he says the black family was doing rather well. He’s really written a ton about this.

  13. Fred,

    Balderdash! You are not aware of real, credible info. GB and neo make many great points about why we have a high murder rate per capita. However, unless there has been a dramatic change, several countries come to mind with rates higher than the USA. Perhaps you should investigate rates in Africa and Latin America. Btw, I will not do your research for you as neo and GB have so kindly done.

    The most wicked liars circle like vultures around the 2nd amendment. I am not calling you a liar, but you are ill informed on this issue. The federal and state laws and regulations on firearms are as numerous as the bureaucracy of obamacare. I bought a 22LR rifle when I was ten, it was delivered by the USPS, and I and others took our rifles to school once a month for marksmenship class.

    The violent crime rate per capita was far lower before background checks and the tens of thousands of laws and regulations of today. As noted many times on this forum, its the decay of our culture at the root of many, if not most, of the curses that plague our society. Laws mean little where dangerous, anti-social thugs hold sway.

  14. Are we going to see a return of the “Zebra Killings”?

    Or are we actually there already but the MSM isn’t reporting it as such?

    I’ve mentioned it before in other comments; the hostility I’ve personally faced from some blacks on the NYC subway in the last few years is unlike anything I’ve personally witnessed before. Things are getting worse; not better. And cops must be feeling under attack like no other time in recent memory.

    While, those individuals involved are ultimately responsible for their own actions, I do place a lot of the blame on Obama and company (and their supporters!) for creating the atmosphere that allows bigots to be so bold.

  15. neo and Mr. Frank,
    It also had a lot to do with the radical chic 60s groups that made it cool for blacks to be rebels and “white” to be a responsible person. I think that when what Charles Murray talked about as the upper class failure to transmit their values to the poorer.To prove their own enlightenment, all these rich, educated creeps who had never talked with a struggling poor black sold them out to the loudmouth creeps like the Black Panthers. Then the radicals took over black colleges and procreated.

  16. An excellent if not entirely right wing take on this is at an odd blog by a black woman who goes by the pen name “Muslim Bushido”. I don’t know that I’ve mentioned her, maybe I have? She has some opinions I certainly would disagree with but she does make some very crucial and on point arguments regarding black violence. She believes, as Neo says and others like Thomas Sowell, that this is principally the result of black family dissolution – no fathers and lots of “baby mamas.” And, she also attacks gangsta rap as a source of cultural degradation. Her solution is to tell black women to get far away from thugs, do not hang with thugs or date them, even if that means gong somewhere where there are no black people! And, date men of quality and if they happen to not be black, fine. Apparently, black women who are looking for decent men are finding that hard to find. This movement is called “black women’s empowerment” and “divestment”. I think she’s a changer in a sense since she used to be a black nationalist but has quit blaming white people for black problems. She’s a trip to read and I think she makes good points, and — she is speaking from an insider’s perspective.

    She writes in this blog post that black women should recognize that (paraphrase) ‘white dominated law enforcement is the only thing between you and gang rape by black men’. That’s strong stuff. I would not have said that, but I am not an insider. It is harrowing to read her but she appears to make some good points:

    http://muslimbushido.blogspot.com/2015/08/you-betta-recognize-what-dee-dee-is.html

    I also second expat in the idea that academics and the intelligentsia and apparently – the educated classes did not transmit their values to the poor but lionized dysfunction. Radicals became chic in the 60’s and all hell broke loose. I lost a few good years of my life chasing the radical vision, it leads nowhere. Any way…

    This is all foreboding.

  17. Many law and order things are not mutually exclusive, and may actually be mutually explainable.

    It is complicated.

    Conservatives need to be careful.

    For instance: how willing are conservatives to give up the 4th amendment?

    Think about the 4th amendment and leftist activism.

    It is complicated.

  18. Tonawanda,

    Please explain how the intersection of the 4th amendment and leftist activism are ‘complicated’.

    Amendment IV
    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

  19. Neo & Geoffrey Britain
    Why not mention the elephant in the room?

    You are and others right what you siad and prove you mentioned.
    The question here what you can do to stope/ prvent more bad news dose not matter what colour who did it.

    You have society that a mix, there are laws strian that mixtur how to make more robust to stop the kiling this goal you know the root but what the tool to stope the Black do it agian

  20. It is a federal crime, with a mandatory sentence of 5 years, for an ex-felon to possess a firearm or ammunition. This law was the result of intense lobbying by the NRA. Anyone care to guess how often the obama doj prosecutes ex-felons in violation of this law? The obama doj is not interested in prosecuting offenders, they welcome more crimes that involve possession of a firearm. Never let a manufactured crisis go to waste.

  21. how calculating, Obama & holder *ignore* a law
    because it does not further the Lefts agenda to *disarm* the citizenry ! More blood on their hands, but that”s OK somebody else can make the ultimate sacrifice for Leftism, right dear leader?

  22. Thpmas Sowell is right. Prior to civil rights blacks for the most part had an excellent work ethic, intact families and thanked God every Sunday for what they had.

    It was liberals and their “compassion” that destroyed all that. Reminds me of my neighbor lady whose dogs live miserable lives and die from gross obesity because she cares for them so much.

  23. For those who think gun laws are the answer, a look at Vermont is instructive. Along with their extremely low murder rate, they have some of the least restrictive gun laws in the country. No permit is required for open or concealed carry.

    A quote from the infamous, segregationist Georgia governor Lester Maddox is instructive. At a press briefing he was asked about the deplorable conditions in the state prison system. He said words to the effect that the prisons would not get better until they got a better class of prisoner.

  24. Heh, I bet people here thought CW I was over and done with in America, heh. We killed slavery, right, we don’t need to worry about that any more. No more slave rebellions.

    Well, CW 1 didn’t kill slavery which is why you will be welcome to CW 2. Regardless of whether people like to believe it or not.

  25. As for stats, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, San Francisco/Oakland, and New Orleans heavily tilts US statistics towards certain conclusions. But it doesn’t cover the majority of the outlands.

    Without Democrat murder zones and plantations accounted in the statistics, the US has a firearms and crime rate equal to Switzerland.

  26. Looking at the data it is clear why those evil southerners created segregation.

    That’s not why whites in the South were ordered to obey Democrat laws to segregate or else. The South has had Democrat totalitarian control before CW 1, after CW 1, and before 1960. They were owned more totally than the blacks are now, on Democrat plantations.

    Nobody could step out of line in a Democrat controlled culture. Not the women. Not the blacks. Not the whites. Everyone had their place, under the Demoncrats.

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