“They can’t even frame anybody right”
Another show I sometimes watch, especially late at night while at my computer, is “Forensic Files.”
Each episode is short, only a half-hour. But it’s amazing the tales they manage to tell in just 30 minutes, minus quite a few minutes for the frequent ads. The episodes are all pretty fascinating, although they’re usually depressing because they tell how many murderous people there are in the world—including a fair number of conscienceless psychopaths who seem to have no trouble whatsoever killing spouses or girlfriends of boyfriends, for money or for trivialities, and then acting as though nothing whatsoever has happened.
But every now and then a story is extra-interesting, and that’s where the Roy Brown case comes in. It wasn’t just the story of injustice righted, although there’s that. It’s a tale that’s nearly Biblical in its trajectory of a life on a bad path that is redeemed in the unlikeliest of ways by the unlikeliest of people, an uneducated, angry, and aimless man who showed intelligence and grit under extremely trying circumstances. It features a Crime and Punishment-like ending for the real murderer, and wheels of justice that grind, not just slowly, but (as Roy Brown says in the clip): “I don’t know who said ‘the wheels of justice turn slowly,’ but they are flat. And I’m fixin to jack em up, change the tires, and throw a new spare in the trunk.”
And here’s the aftermath:
Society is a bunch of idiots looking down on the peasants.
The courts and the “Law” were supposed to be superior forms of social authority than putting the idiots charge.
The idiots are still in charge, and individuals end up proving them wrong or they get jacked in the face, as usual.
When one person is more competent than your entire social justice system, what does that actually say about humanity? Most of humanity are incompetents that think they’re competent. But they aren’t. Education doesn’t make them superior. Indoctrination doesn’t make them superior. Power and wealth does not make them superior, even.
Sadly it appears that the second chance Roy Brown got hasn’t exactly gone smoothly as he was arrested in 2011 on drug charges which were subsequently dismissed but nonetheless it sounds like his troubles continued after his wrongful incarceration.
Were these a direct result of his wrongful incarceration? Don’t know but it sounds like he hasn’t entirely got his happy ending.
Griffin:
Oh, I wouldn’t imagine he’s turned into an angel. But he showed remarkable intelligence and perseverance during his long wrongful incarceration.
I’m a ‘Forensic Files’ junky as well, Neo. Human Evil has held a lifelong fascination to this history nut. My MA-History thesis was on The Einsatzgruppen in the Soviet Union. The ‘Files’ really get some doozies. Look for the one on Ann Miller, a blonde N.Carolina sociopath who poisoned her truly Good Guy husband with arsenic, including the final dose in his IV while his family had taken a break from his bedside in the hospital. I LOVE the Snappin’ Turtle cops who become consumed with bringing justice to these murderous slime.
NeoConScum:
I’ve seen that one. I think I’ve seen the majority of them by now.
Innocence project are the unsung heroes here.
Government employees are the incompetents here.
Honestly, I trust Innocence Project a bit less than d.a.’s, whom I trust only sometimes. Gaydar went off with the guy. And, yes, that is an issue. Goes to character. For most of human history, if someone was known to be gay, their character was completely impugned. For me that remains true.
As to his innocence or guilt, I sometimes wonder why prosecutors and judges decide as they do? I do understand that, sometimes, ensuring someone takes the hit, in a very backward way, leaves some sense of justice. It might allow people to move on, or begin living again without fear (if falsely). Not saying that is right, or absolutely always wrong. Still, why they reject nearly overwhelming evidence, or using simple tools that might prove or disprove something…
Then again, if you have been paying attention, it came out recently that dna testing is nowhere near as precise as they had been telling us. In spite of that, they keep using it as they always have. Further, the stories about the problems with dna were never refuted, but seem to have been buried down some memory hole. Along with Jimmy Hoffa, I suppose. Even if they found his body, want to bed it would get lost, even now, before we would hear about it?
Dirty business. A problem man who threatens to murder everyone, an arson and murder, unbending justice system? Sometimes these things deserve each other? It would be interesting to speak with his daughter, and get her take. Ten to one? She was happy to not have had him as a dad. Whether she would admit that or not is one thing, though she might. Just imagine a little girl at home with him?
Creepy world. Some parts of it.
Another Forensic Files fan here. The Innocence Project does some great work, but I have actually dealt with them due to my job and they are also capable of being unreasonable and a little, shall we say, slippery.
While I have little doubt that the Innocence Project and some of these other crusaders have done some good I am always reminded of the story of Roger Keith Coleman. He was convicted of murdering his sister in law I believe and sentenced to death and he proclaimed his innocence for years and attracted some of these do gooder lawyers to his cause only to be executed. After the execution the lawyers continued their quest to prove his innocence and finally got some of the evidence tested for DNA and with the cameras rolling for some documentary they received the results that they were sure would prove him innocent only to find out that he was in fact guilty. The reactions of the lawyers as they received that call was really interesting as they realized they had been conned. Fascinating stuff.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/shock-video-trans-activist-threatens-ben-shapiro-you-cut-that-out-or-youre-going-home-in-an-ambulance/
See what happens when the system is on the side of the evil “victims”?
Innocence project are the unsung heroes here
They are humans in an organization. No better nor worse than any other.
Cloaking themselves in the mantle of self righteousness is one way of telling the inferior trash from the actual fighters.
Let me whistle in the wind.
1) The political dynamic affecting elected district attorneys and elected judges has always been with us. Because of human nature, it will not go away.
2) The populace always and everywhere wants someone to pay, and to pay big.
3) My opinion: America has become a more severely retributive society, stone in hand and piranha-like competition to be first to cast. The retributive spirit crosses all possible demographic categories, modified only by a person’s inverse relationship with the condemned.
4) The most exalted and desired status in America is victim.
5) Zero tolerance is zero discretion, zero prudence, zero thoughtfulness, zero resistance to the mob.
6) Along with the stone, it is essential to have a colored ribbon. Colored ribbons are essential to curing cancer and defeating wife beaters.
7) What happens in murder cases happens probably way more often in less sexy cases all the way down to misdemeanors.
8) Two minute hates, from murder to misdemeanor, happen every day everywhere there is a local news broadcast and local newspaper. The hates are balanced by reporting that the monster denies monsterhood.
9) My opinion: law enforcement officers have been taught there is zero downside to violating the Constitution, to perjury, and to a lordly disdain for the assholes who populate their jurisdiction. Many wonderful, admirable officers do not do wrong. They merely are aware of the many others who do.
10) District attorneys and judges have close to no legal incentive to Do The Right Thing.
11) A link to an article which contains a link to a PDF: http://abovethelaw.com/2015/07/judge-kozinski-theres-very-little-justice-in-our-so-called-justice-system/ I have no idea about this site but the site is irrelevant to the cite.
12) The psychology of prosecutors, judges, and police officers is (nowadays) completely unexamined. It is a very complicated subject, not susceptible to easy understanding or explication.
13) My opinion: the leftist head-lock on our culture has had a very corrupting influence on law enforcement. It does not explain everything, but it is a significant factor in many ways not even suspected by most.
14) My opinion: the fundamental corruption of law enforcement at every level is leading (helping to lead) to a lawless society.
15) (Some) “conservatives” are indifferent to corrupt law enforcement because of two reasons. They misidentify “the men in blue” with the military. And the unfair, unjust attacks on law enforcement by the left trick “conservatives.”
16) In many ways big and small (as so often noted on this site) we have become an unfair and unjust country.
17) The mentality which imposes a huge fine on bakers is not different from what goes on every day in law enforcement.
Ymarsakar Says:
July 18th, 2015 at 8:22 pm
See what happens when the system is on the side of the evil “victims”?
T’was the email for the day.
Astounding how smoothly the aggressive violence was perpetrated by the Tur freak.
Astounding the cackling behavior of the chicks on the panel.
Beyond satire.
I prefer the Breitbar article: it has two videos.
Big man threatens a diminutive but mouthy chap with bodily arm for calling him a man. The females in attendance, of course, reproachfully dress down the smaller man. OMG!
In the second video the freak proceeds to attack the Jenner character while the females screech …
Note: that Zoey Tur is big and vital, Shapiro is no match ….
*harm.
Also from a ‘NLP’ point of view, the Tur’s dominant hand gestures … no inhibitions. Very dangerous behavior …
I guess I prefer to receive most information via reading at this point in my life. I’ve had intense, dramatic life-experiences, both during the years I worked nightshift in a busy inner-city ER and elsewhere. I came to know and closely observe lots of cops (as well as innumerable criminals, and victims); also buried in the past are reprehensible escapades I justified as “research” at the time.
There remains a great deal of colorful; experience I have yet to exploit in my work.
A long, unnecessary ramble on why I’m just going to keeo my mouth shut. But I’ve been commenting fairly regularly here recently, something I don’t do anywhere else.
Rush Limbaugh: Seven Years Ago It Was Parody, Today It’s the News (VIDEO)
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2015/07/rush-limbaugh-seven-years-ago-it-was.html
I like the show Lt. Joe Kendra, Homicide Detective (or something similar). It’s a little corny but otherwise pretty darn good.
I’ve had a long term fascination with true crime – both books and shows. I’ve never been able to figure out why.
miklos @ 11:11
There are many evil and dangerous criminals. So many, even the rural districts are crawling with them.
Are they fund raising criminals?
Millions of people who have had ten beers and drive are fund raising criminals, even though objectively they present close to zero danger to public safety.
Millions of mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, boyfriends and girlfriends call each other whore and bastard and shove or slap are fund raising criminals, even though angry and abusive confrontations are and will always be a part of human relations. In times past, we gave dignity to people who were merely human.
Do you know you are a criminal if you touch that beautiful blue robin’s egg in your grass? There is a lot of money in that, and righteousness.
Life is inherently corrupt. We need government, there is no other way, but government is corruption magnified, mostly.
All we can do in life is to order things as prudently as possible. The ideal way of ordering is to love and respect each other, to understand and empathize.
But the race is too excited and clue-less to love and respect.
This is the opposition:
Why can’t all of us treat each other well? versus Why can’t we force everybody to treat each other well?
So we have government, a reprehensible necessity.
Tonawanda:
I’ll continue to leave those robins’ eggs alone.
I have family back in southwest VA; I’ve even driven through Grundy a few times myself (don’t blink). They pretty much thought the national media latching onto this case was stupid, as they all believed Coleman guilty of murdering Wanda Jean McCoy. My favorite ‘moral of the story’ from the Coleman case is: Be careful what you wish for.
The supporters of Coleman had claimed his innocence way before he was juiced. They even managed to get a lie detector test ordered the morning of the execution; Coleman failed, but his supporters claimed it was because of the emotional duress of his impending execution.
My favorite character in that whole ‘Coleman is innocent’ charade is the head of Centurion Ministries, one James McCloskey. He ‘ministered’ Coleman on DR and, once Coleman was executed, he took every opportunity to talk about how VA murdered an innocent man. You can read McCloskey’s post-DNA statement here: http://www.centurionministries.org/faq/coleman-roger-press-release.pdf
“. . . We all make mistakes, and I made a whopper that was magnified a million times over, especially since the whole world seemed to be watching. . . .” Yeah, well, you were quite an enabler of that ‘the whole world seemed to be watching’ bit by getting face time on any documentary about Coleman you could, talking about the murder of an innocent man by the State of VA.
I’d watched a few of those shows with McCloskey on it prior to the DNA results and, I must say, I’m glad he got slammed by reality; after all, Coleman was no choirboy. Although he doesn’t seem to really ‘get it’ as he’s against the death penalty, but not so much the crimes which led to someone being sentenced to death (all opponents of capital punishment want to airbrush those crimes out of existence). McCloskey was so cocksure of Coleman’s innocence. Call me hardhearted, but I still enjoy McCloskey’s comeuppance.
Tonawanda’s 7) What happens in murder cases happens probably way more often in less sexy cases all the way down to misdemeanors.
This has always been most troublesome to me. We hear of the great successes of the Innocence Project and their efforts to use modern DNA evidence to clear pre-DNA technology cases. And good for them. And it’s amazing how often “eyewitness” identifications and such in these cases are flat-out wrong.
So here’s the fly in the ointment: this only works in those criminal cases where (1) DNA evidence was somehow left at the scene, and (2) preserved by the prosecution. Of all criminal convictions in toto in the US, what percentage of them are those? Maybe 1%, if even that? Logically, one has to conclude there are an enormous number of people serving time who are innocent, with no way of clearing themselves.
Tonawanda,
Hmm… While there is some support to what you say, it is mild. You speak of throwing stones, yet in the wider world, those stone are real, not mild, often merely spoken. To be honest, if Americans have a problem, it is that they refuse to cast any real stones. There are times when stones should be thrown in a very literal sense. While they don’t mind letting the state do it, even the state has become soft. Example? Manson still draws breath, but there are many more.
While you sound wise, you seem, to me, to be… like a teen academic sounding board, regurgitating what you have been “taught” (told), only rephrasing it so it seems unique. Perhaps you believe it, perhaps you are just practicing. I hope you are young. It means you have time to learn better.
Doom
You two should talk about specifics, such as Waco 1 and Waco 2. The generalities don’t mean anything, it’s about what is happening now vs the past.
Ymarsakar,
Not so much now versus then, except in a much longer timeframe than what you are suggesting. By sheer volume, or lack of volume, the difference is known. As well, how much involvement by standard folk in extra-judicial malfeasance or potential lawless expressions of the vigilante ideal.
I mean, 20 years ago the public, and to a degree the law, was even lamer than it is now, 20 years before that was even worse. Now, 100 years ago, if the police didn’t do it, the people would. And, from what I have seen and heard, 100 years on back was pretty much the norm. Modernity is a freak, most likely, and in my opinion, a great mistake. None of them were all that good at it, but better than the (2010) rate of below 65% solve rate, with a much worse rate in cities (and that is murder solves, not sure if any of the other crime solve rates are any better). Mobs don’t allow for technicalities. And if I had to guess, I’d say suspicion is more likely to be right than not. And they aren’t as wrong as many make them out to be, probably not as bad as today. People have been taught, and come to believe, that no justice is better than slightly flawed justice. Definitions would have to be established, but my guess is, in absolute truth, the old way was much better.
By sheer volume, or lack of volume, the difference is known.
Volume of what? Which difference are you referring to?
As well, how much involvement by standard folk in extra-judicial malfeasance or potential lawless expressions of the vigilante ideal.
Who is a standard folk and what exactly do you mean by extra judicial malfeasance? What examples would qualify as lawless expressions of the vigilante ideal?
So far it’s been walking around the issue using ambiguity.
Volume of wrongful, or even vigilante involvements with justice. Hell, people are afraid to even call abortion genocide and evil, let alone admit that homosexuality is a perversion, sin, social and civil evil, and corruption of nature.
I speak of vigilante justice. Not a preferred method, but when the courts are so obviously broken, bad justice is better than no justice. And, it will come back, one way or the other.
Neo, you might enjoy “Save My Life,” the new ABC reality ER series. Tonight they had an hour about Boston’s hospitals, with the emergency cases who came in — riveting stuff, well done, no commentary.
An orthopedic surgeon who saved a woman’s legs (car accident, broken legs with “compartment syndrome”) said, after the operation, “This is why they pay me the big bucks,” and made a gunfighter move with his hand. Until that point, the guy looked like an accountant.
Surgeons. They all have the fighter jock mentality. 😉
Beverly said:
“Surgeons. They all have the fighter jock mentality.”
As the guy who had trouble getting a hop in F-14s from my squadron despite being qualified simply because that would mean they had to give No Lock Doc, a flight surgeon in a paid flight status who couldn’t work the mighty, mighty AWG-9, flight hours I would normally disagree.
But I can’t.
https://daveintexas.wordpress.com/2007/02/05/army-surgeon-honored-for-heroism/
“Major John Oh awarded the Soldier’s medal, and Lt. Col. William Brock the Army Commendation medal with “V” device for valor.
Major Oh and a team of six volunteered to surgically remove a live RPG round from the stomach of a wounded Soldier in Afghanistan. Brock assisted in the operation.
…Wearing Kevlar body armor underneath surgical scrubs, and helmets, they risked their lives to save the life of this soldier…”
One of the few surgeries I’m aware of where EOD was involved.
I am also a junkie for tv shows like “Forensic Files”…and a lot of the stuff they show on Investigation Discovery (ID).
I have seen this episodes and it was truly horrific what this man had to go through. After watching a lot of these shows, I have decided that if I ever end up on a jury, I would need a lot of evidence (circumstantial can work, if done well and thoroughly) to convict someone of murder. I would hate to be wrong!
A good one I just saw was “Facing Evil.” A man was convicted of a triple homicide and is on death row. He has barely missed being executed several times. The police have blood test showing that he was 3 times over the legal alcohol limit (something like a .33) and also had a lethal amount of codeine in his blood. Yet, they claim he killed three people, when he was barely above comatose on his couch.
A jacket left at the scene of the crime, which didn’t belong to anyone at the home went ‘missing’ in evidence. This guy sounded resigned to his sentence with no hope of being freed. It was quite awful to see.
The modern justice system was designed to circumvent duels and feuds/vengeance by clans. It took the responsibility on so that the one that would be held responsible would be the state, powerful enough to resolve things through diplomacy or negotiations.
Well, that became a non starter when the existence of family clans died out, didn’t it.
So the pendulum is, in other words, SNAFU ked
Without family clans, the state became too powerful, and it could pretty much do whatever it wanted to do, at the expense of individuals with no resources on their side.
Concerning surgeons :
I think anyone who can accomplish a practical application of their theoretical knowledge, deserves some element of arrogance or pride to back that achievement up.
Reading the theory and grasping the theoretical knowledge is fine in and of itself, but somebody still has to do the work. It’s a far better application of arrogance than someone who thinks they know how to do something because they have mastered the fundamental theory, and then proceed to criticize those who have experienced accomplishment in life.
And a task that wasn’t judged by their peers or inferiors, but by the natural or divine world.
Concerning justice :
For the most part, the state is only there to resolve issues that can’t be resolved using normal civilian negotiation. But if the state had to handle everything, as it does now with people saying and demanding that LEOs “protect us (they don’t)”, then the state would break down due to corruption and powerful megalomaniacs if nothing else.
When family clans existed, they were like little villages. They resolved their own problems their own way, and that was fine, up to a point. Past that point, when they started to go Al Capone /Chicago /McCarthy vs Hatfield type feuds that endangered others, then the state would step in.
To a large extent, there is no justice if there is no organized system to deal with dangers to the body community. However, there is also no justice when a totalitarian centralized agency is expected to solve people’s problems by obtaining obedience and power.
Ideally, people should resolve their own problems. And ideally, the state only exists as an insurance against disasters.
Ideally, people should resolve their own problems. And ideally, the state only exists as an insurance against disasters.
Some insurance all right!
Evil!
Ideally, people should resolve their own problems. And ideally, the state only exists as an insurance against disasters.
Man wrongly accused of rape finally released from prison.
Evil!
Doom:
TY for responding.
I have been taught, and taught well.
If you didn’t read my second comment on casting stones, and combine it with my reference to local broadcasts and newspapers, please take a look.
We here talk a lot (and justifiably so) about the retributive spirit of BO and the left, even if we do not use the word retributive.
Most people (I believe) are not aware of the rest of the retributive story, so embedded is it in our culture nowadays.
I will admit, my feelings are hurt when I think people have a low regard for my opinions, and it makes me look at them (my opinions) again to see how unreasonable they are, especially if they come across to respected and intelligent commenters as the muddled, vainglorious babblings of a propagandized, manipulated youth.