Obama and HUD: you can run, but you can’t hide
Obama wants to end neighborhoods of privilege, under some sort of “disparate impact” rule (sound familiar?) combined with an executive order that bypasses Congress (also sound familiar?).
The goal is “diversity”, and here’s the way it would work:
A final Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule due out this month is aimed at ending decades of deep-rooted segregation around the country.
The regulations would use grant money as an incentive for communities to build affordable housing in more affluent areas while also taking steps to upgrade poorer areas with better schools, parks, libraries, grocery stores and transportation routes as part of a gentrification of those communities…
This is something resembling the ill-fated school busing policies in Boston during the 1970s, although in that case part of the deal was that not only were black kids bused into mostly-white schools, but white kids (from poor communities—not the rich white kids, who were spared) were also bused into mostly-black schools. I wrote at length about the ensuing havoc created in both communities here.
This would be social engineering at its very finest. And it involves (among other things) the pretense that the only reason a person would want to live in a rich, protected community would be racial prejudice—rather than the fact that such communities are safer, have better schools, and more law-abiding people.
And forget about liberty—what’s that?
The way the camel got its nose inside the tent is through HUD. The directive would apply to communities that get HUD funds, which is a lot of communities (about 1250):
HUD says it is obligated to take the action under the Fair Housing Act of 1968, which prohibited direct and intentional housing discrimination, such as a real estate agent not showing a home in a wealthy neighborhood to a black family or a bank not providing a loan based on someone’s race.
The agency is also looking to root out more subtle forms of discrimination that take shape in local government policies that unintentionally harm minority communities, known as “disparate impact.”…
To qualify for certain funds under the regulations, cities would be required to examine patterns of segregation in neighborhoods and develop plans to address it. Those that don’t could see the funds they use to improve blighted neighborhoods disappear, critics of the rule say…
Critics of the rule say it would allow HUD to assert authority over local zoning laws. The agency could dictate what types of homes are built where and who can live in those homes, said Gosar, who believes local communities should make those decisions for themselves rather than relying on the federal government.
If enacted, the rule could depress property values as cheaper homes crop up in wealthy neighborhoods and raise taxes, Gosar warned.
It could also tilt the balance of political power as more minorities are funneled into Republican-leaning neighborhoods, he suggested.
All of this—all—is a feature, not a bug, in the eyes of the Obama administration. It’s part of the fundamental transformation of America.
One would think most Americans would be against this. But how many Americans even know about it? How much coverage is this getting from the MSM? I’m not seeing it; the only articles I see are from the right.
Republicans in the House have not been idle on this:
Republicans are trying to block the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule. Before passing HUD’s funding bill this week, the GOP-led House approved Gosar’s amendment prohibiting the agency from following through with the rule.
What if HUD decides to defy it and follows through with the rule anyway? What could be done to stop them, I wonder, and will it be done?
[NOTE: Much more here.
By the way, this is been in the works for years, somewhat under the radar. See this.
I bet after Obama leaves the White House, though, he’d be living in a neighborhood that’s unaffected by it.]
Elitists have been busy progressive bees since Wilson devising the means to control ever aspect of our lives.This ‘urban planning’ EO is nothing new. Its the same old same old. I am weary of this bs, but my grandchildern keep me fired up. BTW, let your congress members know you oppose TPP.
He who pays the piper calls the tune. The Federal government has so much power (most of it extra-Constitutional) by virtue of being able to demand terms for receiving money.
The people of the United States of America are showing, in overwhelming numbers, that they are willing to trade freedom for money. The vast majority of Congressmen, Senators, Governors and State Legislators gladly play along with the game. Who would turn down free money? But of course, it’s never really free.
When will people realize that you take care of something (your home, your neighborhood) when you have invested in it. I’ve lived in row house apartments in decent neighborhoods where the houses were little different from those in slums. I fixed up my places with some paint or new wallpaper and left them in better shape for the next tenant.
Nothing will change till the communities themselves put effort into iimproving them. The problem for so many of the poor is they no longer are able to feel any satisfaction in their accomplishments. They are always told to measure themselves against the possesions of the wealthy.
I was in Palo Alto years ago and I was amazed at how modest most of the homes were–not much different than those of my childhood neighborhood.With a little creativity and effort, there are lots of ways to make your neighborhood nicer.
build affordable housing in more affluent areas
Yes, because putting section 8 housing in all sorts of neighborhoods hasn’t just spread crime all over the place.
Except that it has.
50-Years-Great Society Failures/Carnage/Equally Entitled Shipwreckage=CANNOT Possibly Make This SHIT Up!!!
The idea that poor people are just like non poor people in that housing is their problem is absurd. You can take the kid out of the hood, but you can’t take the hood out of the kid. Studies of Section 8 housing show that crime is up in those areas. Middle class people (black and white) don’t want to live around poor people for good reason. Poor folks have poor ways.
I think Stanley Kutz’s “Spreading the Wealth” addresses this desire to micromanage communities (but I haven’t read it yet).
I think (Glenn) Reynold’s Law could be applied to this policy, that just placing people into nicer communities will not inspire within them the behavior that is needed to afford living in such a community. In fact, I would imagine it will result in some real resentment, having your neighbor’s wealth in your face every day. And in turn, should these new lower-income residents fail ti upkeep their homes, they will inspire resentment in the existing residents.
I’m also really sick of people making statements about “patterns of segregation” when at least some of this is self-segregation. Young hip people want to live in a funky up-and-coming neighborhood, recent immigrants may choose to live in a Chinatown of Little Somalia neighborhood because there are businesses there that cater to their needs (and native language), families may chose to live in the suburbs because they’re closer to other families and all of the kids’ activities, and so on. This is not a bad thing, it’s people exercising their choice.
It cannot be lost on anyone that this is a progression, a sequela of an earlier disorder. The very existence of HUD, as with most all departments of the Federal government, suggests Pandora’s box. All evils that befall us can be traced to such a department. The mechanisms, instruments, levers, and contraptions necessary for the fundamental transformation of the country had been put in place a long time ago, also by Republicans, complicit if not eager.
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” no longer suggests airy-fairy chiliastic hyperbole but the ascendance to power of a cadre trained in that machinery of transformation. HUD and HEW, etc. were portents of the death of a nation.
The Progressives, from Lincoln, to Wilson, to Roosevelt, to Johnson, are somewhere, dancing a jig.
This was how Howard County, MD was designed decades ago…mixed housing with shopping centers blended in (i.e. impossible to find if you don’t live there). What it resulted in was very expensive homes (Howard Co. is very desirable to live in) that also had Section 8 ghetto-dwellers from Baltimore.
When I lived there about 10 years ago, crime was getting worse and worse. Where? In the apartments with Section 8 people living in them. So, what used to be a low-crime area with nice houses and schools was becoming more and more dangerous.
Yeah, great idea, Obama.
Victor Davis Hanson stated that “only about 160,000 Californians of 40 million residents account for 54% of all state income tax revenue.” I don’t see how collecting hard-working people’s money and giving it to people that do not share the moral values of a community can ever be considered right. My Mom saw this happen in Chicago and tried to warn my husband and me that we should abandon the San Fernando Valley and relocate to where the CRA projects were planned. Unfortunately, we didn’t listen. We are now inundated with homeless & Section 8/EBT recipients…trash and debris everywhere we look. My friend who lives in a formerly undesirable area of Culver City, with no where near as nice a home as mine, is sitting on a goldmine. She bought her home for $80,000, and it is now worth over $750,000; all the result of government-run projects and moving the people around.
Anyone recall that story in (IIRC) the Atlantic, about how a police officer and a social worker were wondering about the explosion in crime rates in certain suburbs of St. Louis? They compared maps – and discovered that dispersing Section 8 housing in outlaying suburbs led to an explosion of crime. Well, imagine that …
My next-door neighbor – in a working-to-middle-class suburb in north-eastern San Antonio – is black, married, church-going, the mother of two hard-working sons whom we have watched grow from junior-high age to their twenties. What she has to say about Section 8 would peel the paint off walls.
(Her front yard looks better than mine, actually. I’m the eccentric artist/writer type, keeping chickens and a vegetable garden in the back yard.)
It’s not so much color, although that may possibly be an element. I am about three-quarters convinced that it is about our stubborn refusal to limit ourselves to living in 300-square feet stack-a-prole apartments in a concrete city block. We want our little patch of independent paradise, with a garden and a lawn and fruit trees, and that must not be allowed by the aristocrat-visionaries. We must be made to conform to the vision of our betters. Who know what is best for us, of course.
What most people don’t realize is that Section 8 properties are overwhelmingly biased towards the elderly.
For starters: there’s the matter of the WAITING LIST.
It’s nothing for a Section 8 candidate to wait, wait, wait, for years until space shows up.
You just don’t find unoccupied Section 8 rental space!
So the result is there’s an age bias – right there.
The problem with having that many elderly (minority elderly I might say ) in any significant concentration is that there will be a bias towards elderly women — to boot.
And they have relatives.
So the next thing you know, they are either primary victims of crime — or are plopped down passively watching their MUCH younger relations ‘move in’ and live — off the books — rent free.
This leads to the ‘puzzling’ concentration of NAM males with PLENTY of free time on their hands — and BIG EYES.
Naturally, grandmother can’t imagine her grandson is engaged in a career move into petty crime — if not retail drug entertainments.
When you look at the paperwork — from DC’s perspective — all that the computer records show is a bunch of harmless aunties.
Which reinforces the notion that the surrounding community must be seething with bigots – – for why else are they astir over a bunch of poor old folks?
As for the young bros — every Section 8 is a beachhead for crime. They can work some strong arm ‘candy’ and then quickly retire to grandma’s place — just a few blocks away.
With a median IQ of 85 ish – – there are countless Black males with truly dull IQs — below 80 — that, none the less, have BIG EYES and are at least smart enough to know that they want the nice ‘toys’ even if they haven’t any marketable talent in the modern economy.
What labor value they ever had vanished with unlimited immigration — legal and illegal.
Don’t take HUD money. Problem solved, at least for the moment.
The amendment, however, needs to be attached to what eventually funds HUD, even if that is just a continuing resolution. I doubt these Republicans will do that.
Amoral and opportunistic. Not only do they not acknowledge intrinsic value (which implies ulterior motives for human rights interests, including Obamacare), but they do not respect individual dignity (which implies ulterior motives for civil rights interests, including class diversity).
Sgt Mom:
Here’s the Atlantic piece on Section 8:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/
The discovery was in Memphis.
The core of the “problem” in terms of how these things are being accomplished has to do with the erroneous method of computing mathematically various conditions by proxy which does not support the contention.
Its set up like a chess board in that what was put forth were just suppositions, which when accepted permute to the end result and are certain to do so given politically correct guards (better described by that word i recently posted), and never letting the moves roll backwards (that other German word i posted)
its as easy as making up premises which lead, if you think them through to sets of conclusions that exist if you accept the premise. the brain does not compute the validity of the premise, so even made up premises will create this thinking structure that can then be exploited to steer the end
all men are created equal, so all men are equal, which means that they should exist in an equal distribution across everything like equal race horses cross the line the same time, or equal watches move in lock step.
the housing is just one of many kinds of adjustments to reality to make it fit the premise, rather than adjust the premise to fit the reality. the latter is emotionally unacceptable to the class that thinks with feeling and despises success. feelings are from the more primitive selves and so are not as good at making workable solutions, computation or solutions that work or are successful cant be beaten unless you change the ruler or measure.
the solutions are not thought through and their results provide opportunities for those who are looked to for crisis resolution or new tweaks to fix the problems caused by the prior tweaking of reality to fit the premise.
or as Thomas Sowell says:
The fundamental problem of the political Left seems to be that the real world does not fit their preconceptions. Therefore they see the real world as what is wrong, and what needs to be changed, since apparently their preconceptions cannot be wrong.
many of the choices made by those who exploit such feelings based masses, are things that favor creating more of those than the others who would rationally negate their exploitation. This goes so far as to demonize people who stood as examples of such thinking.
They want to end “apartheid”. Where have I heard that before? This isn’t Israel. This isn’t South Africa. They cannot simply massacre the native population. The next best strategy is displacement, replacement, and abortion — voluntary, too.
Yancey Ward, you missed the Obama using his pen power to negate congress and change the rules to meet such solutions.
war may make it possible to implement it as part of some premise for preserving cultures who when in single areas can end up becoming extinct, or some such…
Artfldgr:
They do not acknowledge intrinsic value. They do not respective individual dignity. Their actions are inconsistent with their principles. Since principles take precedence over actions to characterize a class, this implies that their policies have ulterior motives.
Selective actions. They are noteworthy for their pro-choice doctrine that establishes selective child, selective exclusion, etc., and social policies that leave Americans indigent, homeless, and even unidentified.
Fuck you, Whitey.
You thought you could escape the hood by moving to the suburbs?
Well, we’re bringing the hood to you, and there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it.
Fuck you, Whitey.
FUCK. YOU.
We don’t need a slum in every town.
And the reason affluent towns have better schools is because high IQ parents have high IQ children.
Ad the reason “poor” towns have bad schools is that low IQ sociopaths subsidized to have more kids will have low IQ kids.
Yeah I said it. Let’s stop pretending it’s not the truth.
Escape?
A person cant escape themselves…
As you clearly point out bringing it to whitey, they bring themselves..
You really think that there is not a damn thing one can do about it?
Now THAT is funny… because the persons that do less are the ones that suffer less with harder fixes… if you think things are oppressive now, wait till the ‘hood’ can be seen by people who will get very tired very fast and will vote in some pretty intrusive stuff, and will do so to themselves.
Despite the abhorrence to many practices available, they are less abhorrent than not practicing them if circumstances would create the excuse to use them. And i am not saying they would be used one group against another, they will be employed on everyone equally, but those who think they are unfree would find out how free they WERE to act and those that didn’t act, would not notice their freedom gone much.
one only has to look to history to know how bad it can get if things get bad enough to stop holding it back and prevent it.
Cameras and portable versions of such will be ONE thing, images being sent to the net as they are recorded, so there is no way to block them. given that the images can track people from the moment they leave home to any location, there is little freedom to act out.
maybe everyone will get RFID tags and there will be invisible electronic checkpoints… perhaps they will use biometrics of how one walks with camera software that will identify as part of the tracking to insure a continuous record.
a lot of bad can come out of things if things get that bad
all the politician needs is permission of enough of the electorate
and there will be people of color who do not do things and will agree to it for the kinds of things they don’t like either to stop.
the attitude of the participants who bring the hood with them will define the outcome for the rest of us…
Communists bastards are always repackaging their rancid ideas.
Yes, communists.
This “disparate impact” excuse, now that’s something so twisted even Orwell didn’t think of it.
Did anyone see the report about a couple of liberal researchers in Memphis who studied the effect of shoehorning Section 8 housing into various middle-class neighborhoods? They were Believers in the experiment (with other people’s lives, natch); but they were old enough to still have the idea that they had to report what they found.
They were dismayed to discover that it was like carving up one cancerous tumor of crime, and planting metastases in various formerly healthy body parts — the imported criminals were not in the least affected by their new surroundings, apart from seeing them as more lucrative targets for robbery and easier ones for mugging and rape.
So these researchers were forced to conclude that this was a Bad Idea. Of course, IIRC, these two were over 50: the younger, more Marxist crowd has no scruples, and are far more viciously envious.
I see Mr. Frank found that article on the Memphis situation.
The Left are evil.
Beverly…
Even the Atlantic’s writers refused to see the obvious:
The criminal cohort: military aged males are simply flopping down without any documentation that sociologists can troll among relatives.
Lacking documentation for their statistical profiling — they can’t follow or fathom why the cadence of crime ebbs and flows, thither and yon.
This is compounded by the fact that ‘the system’ EXCLUDES unmarried NAM from Section 8 vouchers.
Indeed, regardless of race, SINGLE MALES of working age are not admitted into Section 8 properties.
Yet, back in the real world, there they are.
They ALL look upon such ‘cribs’ as what a Muslim would call a ‘rabat’ — an outpost/ fort — a point to operate from.
When the cops try and track the fellow down, he has NO DOCUMENTATION that leaves digital breadcrumbs straight to his urban hideout.
And this is where gangs come in. They are the inverse of crowd sourcing — they are crowd opportunists.
Once a grandmother has a son in a gang — every member of that gang has flopping rights — phone rights — in her pad. Her grandson becomes a hostage to her permissions.
ALL of these proceedings are under the table and off the radar.
So they’re in the world that sociologists can’t track, really can’t admit of.
In that ENTIRE Atlantic article there is no mention that the criminal crews are flopping down inside housing that’s — on paper — restricted to old folks — especially old ladies.
Lest we forget: Section 8 is a VOUCHER program.
The actual landlords are screening to keep out the criminals — to the extent possible. That’s why you see the delay time between the early days and the eventual surge.
It takes that long for the gangs to obtain a blood relative tie-in/ aka new recruit and then they’re back in the saddle.
The security guards that are supposed to keep the NAM males at bay are tame — rather like Sgt Schultz.
Only the college crowd could come up with something so bad — while not comprehending what they’ve done.
These ‘slow discoveries’ occur because the officials and clerks are not immersed in their clients situation.
Amusing that the Republicans are bizzy opposing this. Right — an obscure congressman from Arizona leading the charge. Why do rich neighborhoods need HUD money?
Either way, if people feel threatened, they will move out and leave the hood to be a free trash zone. These places that are affected will in a short time be abandoned by the ‘wealthy’ and end up worthless shitholes.
Hopefully the evacuees will learn a lesson about where they move to the next time, and avoid living where the community expects to get something for their tax dollars other than the their property values destroyed.
I’m not really counting on the Republicans to do much. They’re not going to do anything that might ruin their chances to lose another presidential election.
Sgt. Mom, Mr. Frank, and Beverly all remembered the article about the Memphis situation. Thanks for mentioning it. Such factual results will never deter the progressives and the race hustlers.
As long as those people believe that there is some kind of magic associated with being white, I guess they will continue to ignore my black neighbor, Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, etc., etc., etc. – all who somehow seemed to make a success of their lives in spite of being black. Poverty and ignorance have always been with us. Human nature, in spite of the progs’ dreams, is pretty resistant to change.
I think this is a ploy to allow them to accuse anyone who opposes this stupidity of racism. They will make it a big issue during the campaign even though they know it is not something a majority of citizens favor. It’s a chance to paint the Rs as racists.
You would think that after exchanging $14 trillion dollars of debt for wealth, several trillion dollars of welfare annually, several million immigrants annually, and over 1 million aborted Americans annually, they would have already solved the problem of indigent, homeless, and unidentified individuals. Pro-choice doctrine is a many splendored thing.
Lincoln would be the conservative traditionalist to the Confederate Democrat’s progressive disease.
One proven way to provide the poorer and neglected sectors of society with education, training and discipline—and ultimately personal and social success—has been the military.
It’s been the savior of many.
Which is just another reason why the military is being decimated by this administration.
The future and current American slaves underestimate the Leftist alliance at the peril of their own souls. But so be it.
Again:
Your Obama voting Libtard family, “friends”, neighbors, colleagues, acquaintances do not wish you well ….
Repeat, do not wish you well …
For reasons you do not have time to elucidate.
As in severe epidemic/medical circumstances the first order of business is to isolate …
Again, they do not wish you well … Let the forensic figure it out.
Nothing can be done about it… given that the hustlers they listen to insure that only blacks will police blacks and that wont happen given that they now believe that favoring race is ok for them but not others… so the only people that can help them is themselves… and they wont… i know, i grew up in that meleiu… you cant even convince them otherwise!!!!!!!!!! they wont listen, they will claim your tricking them… this is the reason they are mostly abandoned… you cant help someone who will think the help is hurt and the hurt is help they want more and more… end of story
This is precisely why this administration is pushing it. Cloward-Piven. Along with driving us into bankruptcy, gutting the military, eliminating our borders and any semblance of an immigration policy thus flooding the nation with low wage competition for jobs that are not there, lying about employment and the economy about the true state of our economy while getting everyone possible on the dole, scuttling our foreign policy and indirectly hurting any who were allied with us (i.e. Israel), ignoring the Constitution and governing by executive order (illegally), now promoting a secret trade agreement which will further gut the middle and working classes in this country, and the list could go on and on. Coincidence? Really?
Delivering our government and treasury over to thieving banksters who are, in their thoughtless greed enriching themselves at the expense and perhaps the very existence of this country as we have known it is not a bug, it’s a feature of this administration. The greedy bastards who are gorging on the public trough lend truth to Lenin’s quip that when it’s time to hang the capitalists, bankers, middle class, fill in the blank, they will sell us the rope.
Why are there large scale military exercises going on within our borders in populated areas? Training for terrorists? Really? Police militarization? For crime? Really?
No, their strategy for bringing down this country to prepare it for a socialist reconstruction has been nothing short of brilliant.
Made possible only by a lazy, stupid public that can’t even bend over to tie their shoes. Which have been modified anyway by velcro straps! Who glue their face to a television to watch ‘reality T.V.’ instead of looking around at the reality surrounding them. Who pay more attention to phony celebrity goings on in our media circuses than to the crumbling of the foundations upon which their standard of living depends. Who stick their heads in the sand of mindless sports fanaticism. Who allowed this cancer to enter and spread.
No the left understood the nature of corruption and decadence, the voracious greed of the financial class once cut loose of moral restraint or legal consequence, and used them against a population and political class only too ready to give in and grab their share. While the leftist pander to the basest of human instincts clothed in the rhetoric of ‘fairness’, disparate impact, and other social science drivel. The show hasn’t changed much since Roman times.
They are just getting started.
My morning coffee rant. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.
Oh yeah, let’s not forget all the racial healing and ethnic, cultural balkanization. Good times!
China is doing something similar in Africa. A modern-day colonialism to address the consequences of mass abortion and resource deficits. However, it’s not clear if the marrying and integration of extra Chinese males with African women in African societies is a choice or negotiated with local governments.
That said, presumably the good purpose of subsidized integration is similar to Obamacare a la expansion of Medicaid in it shifts and localizes the problem, thereby forcing an action at the level where the solutions must exist. That is to say, it/they are not reform, but delegation. Of course, judging by their principles and strategy (e.g. devaluation of capital and labor, denigration of individual dignity, debase of human life/selective child), the quality of their intentions is questionable. Still, secular incentives, including: money, safety, are far more powerful opiates than morality to suppress integrity and conscience.
Artfldgr Says:
June 12th, 2015 at 9:05 am
…this is the reason they are mostly abandoned… you cant help someone who will think the help is hurt and the hurt is help they want more and more… end of story.
Some really, really want to help: meet Rachel.
Mia Love (R-Utah, former mayor, black woman) schools Julian Castro of HUD:
http://libertyunyielding.com/2015/06/12/obama-seeks-to-diversify-wealthy-neighborhoods-via-hud-carrot-and-stick-approach-video/
Megan Kelly had a report last night on the newest insanity from the Peoples Republic of California: Seems the brilliant and gifted Chancellor of the UC-System, Janet Batshit Crazy Nepalatano , has issued some PC-Dictates that OUT INSANE the already strangulation zone. If I were more cyber-nimble I’d try and find some linkage. Maybe Neo…? Professors cannot state the truth of American Exceptionalism…or, God forbid, American superiority in innumerable areas. Canning offenses,’Yo.
just saw an arizona Rep who is sponsoring legislation
to halt this, calling it an egregious overreach &
discrimination that HUd is precluded from practicing
He said House of Reps can prevent it by not funding it.
This obsession Obama has with money in the suburbs
harkens back to his Chicago days when he was on a mission to find someway the suburbs would funnel money into the inner city (and all his friends who needed 6 figure incomes !!) He was looking at taxes, tolls, bake sales…. anything !!!
Guess what! If you live in a community that has previously taken Community Development grant money from HUD, your community can have this crap forced on them by the terrorists at HUD. Forced on them. Forced. About 1250 communities in the USA are at risk. But what the hey, HUD won’t use real money from the taxpayers. HUD will arrange a payout from the Treasury for the trash to move into the middle class ‘hoods; Treasury will then “sell” bonds to the Fed which will print the money to “buy” the bonds. Magic, how it works.
In the end, we’ll have the Boos and the crime, lock ourselves up tight, wish we could still have guns for defense. That’s terrorism by government, long range and durable.
Ethnic cleansing. Good luck trying to get elections to fix that one.
This is bluster. The man has 1.5 years left in office. What kind of permanent damage could he do with this program in that time?
More likely he’ll just piss a lot of people off if he tries it.
Matt, didn’t you try to predict that people would wake up when Obamacare pain began?
People like to underestimate the Leftist alliance, since it makes them feel good about themselves.
Stalin loved pissing people off with purges.
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