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Sympathy for the terrorists — 24 Comments

1. CANNOT…simply…CANNOT make this F***ing stuff up. Yep, Neo, we gotta let these misunderstood, victimized by wascally wacism, entitled homeboys off lightly,’Yo.

2. We are such a generous society. The Communists were figuring on having to buy the rope with which they would hang us.

3. Your tax-dollars at work.

4. The integrity of social assistance is proportional to the proximity and liability of provider and receiver.

5. Nolanimrod:

   To paraphrase/correct Marx, again: The last capitalist we hang shall be the one we pleaded to donate us the rope.

   I suppose elective abortion of our Posterity, and replacing them with unassimilated legal and illegal aliens, was too far fetched for even Marx to conceive.

6. It would be unseemly for the future Nelson Mandelas to remain in prison too long. Six years is about right to establish their street credibility but short enough so that they can continue their illustrious careers as revolutionaries.

7. It’s time to go back to the old “commodities” system of providing food to the needy.

8. No surprise here. Recall how the New Black Panthers got let off easy for their intimidation at voting centers in Philadelphia.

9. There will come a time of reckoning. Stay loaded 24/7.

10. Supposedly the police are going to protect us from criminals and/or domestic terrorists, so that is why we must Obey their Authority in all things.

    That line starts evaporating when the truth comes out.

11. Mr. Frank:”It’s time to go back to the old “commodities” system of providing food to the needy.”

    But that just would not be right. Think of how you will hurt their inner spirit if they had to eat Govt. peanut butter and cheese all day long. You might force them to get out and look for a job or something instead of playing the victim. /sarc/

    I see where they arrested a NYPD cop for lifting a dead man’s credit card and having her boyfriend attempt to buy her a $3500 ring. Ignoring the basic right from wrong in this action, I’m just amazed how stupid both parties must be. I guess that is another benefit of growing up with a “victim” mentality and someone else owes me what I want.

    I admit I don’t know all the facts here and I might be wrong but given her first name is Ymmacula and has a boyfriend that went along with her plan, I suspect this is an affirmative action hire.
    With people like Ben Carson, Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell able to see the plantation mentality and move beyond it, I simply don’t understand the mindset that embraces it. If a vote was held today between these knowledgeable and educated men and the knave in the white house, I would venture a guess the knave would still collect 90% of a certain racial minority. And I simply don’t understand it. Of course I also don’t understand the 80-90% of the liberals that also would vote for the same fool.

12. That’s known as “pimping the EBT.”

    It sort of has a hook to it.

    Don’t it?

13. Brink’s robbery (1981)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink%27s_robbery_%281981%29

14. Additionally the new government implemented an amnesty law for all offenses, including high treason (creating a loyal brutal class for their use). After releasing the criminals, the regime assigned many of these individuals high posts in the administration. For example, the chief of police for the cities of Liepaja and Daugavpils had been convicted thieves. As Auseklis explains, the new command put “reprobates” in charge. They released criminals from prisons and gave them authority. Ilga l gives a concrete example in the change of the administration. Igla worked in the saldus courthouse:
    “the soviets dismissed the citting judge, smilga, educated in jurisprudence, and replaced him with a cobbler, who would be sympathetic to communist ideasl”. The situation was ludicrous.
    The school principals lost all authority, the regime brought in an inspector who reported everything tne students and teachers did and said. In annies words, “I knew from the school the inspevtor who was promoted, he was totally a stupid hooligan”
    These sorts of CHANGE raised peoples concerns about the kind of government they would have. communication lifelines were severed, the newspapers that were not communist and party favored were eventually closed. The remaining agencies would get their news from Tass, which was controlled by the leadership.
    In this new soviet model, propaganda and restricted or false information became the mainstay. The theaters, opera, and motion pictures, came under the same pattern of promotion that the press did. Respected sources of information lost their reputability in the minds of the Latvian people. from now on, the people would have to rely on private forms of communication to send and receive information on what was going on. the population not only distrusted the authorities, but distrusted each other. People were not communicative, they were laconic, and odd. They were afraid to say what was not politically correct. The general atmosphere was anxiety and uncertainty.

15. To Chairman O and his gang, these folks are freedom fighters.

16. Of course I also don’t understand the 80-90% of the liberals that also would vote for the same fool.

    Do you understand how Jim Jones gave the order for people to drink the Kool Aid and they obeyed, whether they liked it or not?

    It’s the same thing.

17. Ymarsakar:

    Jim Jones and the Kool-Aid is not a good comparison.

    It’s one thing to be the victim of propaganda and group-think. It’s another—as with Jonestown—to be prisoners, in a state of terror, no way to escape, knowing that there are spies everywhere who will inform on you if you broach a word of dissent, and having been brainwashed that people in the wider world are out to kill you, plus in many cases being killed if you don’t cooperate in committing suicide.

    Jonestown was a total institution. See this:

    We call it a mass suicide because the evidence (and there is plenty of it, including an audiotape of the horrendous proceedings) indicates that many of Jones’ followers cooperated in their own deaths. In fact, the term “drink the Kool Aid” derives from that fact.

    But what most people don’t know is the extent of the psychological and physical pressure that was placed on these people from the moment they entered the cult, as well as the fact that fully one-third of the nearly one thousand who died there were children who could hardly be said to have freely cooperated. There is also forensic evidence that those adults who did protest or try to escape were forcibly injected with cyanide as they attempted to flee.

    So I prefer to call it a suicide/massacre. That places most of the blame where it belongs, on Jim Jones himself…

    According to the testimony of many of the survivors (a small group, but an articulate one), once they realized the true character of the man in whom they’d placed such hope and faith, it was too late. They were in a prison, subject to various forms of physical and psychological torture in Jones’ attempt to control the inmates. And in the final year before the terrible end, the prison we know as Jonestown was at least as isolated as Alcatraz, because it was located in the heart of the Guyanese jungle.

    Two forms the psychological torture/indoctrination took are especially instructive. The first is that as Jones became increasingly paranoid, he regularly harangued his followers that they would be under attack soon, either from the CIA or the Guyanese authorities, and that mass suicide would be the only way out. In fact, he had many rehearsals for the killings, which had the effect of getting people used to what would be happening and more ready to accept it, as well as more doubtful when the real thing began to happen that it actually was the real thing; maybe it was another rehearsal?

    The second was a particular type of psychological coercion described in Deborah Layton’s very fine and highly recommended book Seductive Poison. I am describing this from memory (I read the book many years ago), but my recollection is that they were encouraged to inform on each other if they heard anyone complain about or criticize Jones or Jonestown. The tattler was then publicly praised, while the complainer was subject to public harangues, physical punishment, withdrawal of privileges, and ostracism. In a totally controlled environment, this was especially difficult to take, even for those with strong personalities.

    What was even more terrible–and diabolical–was the fact that Jones made some of his close confederates pretend to be be discontented, confiding their criticism of Jones and Jonestown to others. The listeners had no idea that these were false “confessions.” If they listened sympathetically and perhaps shared their own discontent, they were reported and punished. But worse, if they failed to report the confidences of their “friends”–who were actually, unbeknownst to them, Jim Jones plants–then they were punished as well.

    The entire system encouraged extreme distrust of sharing any complaints with or confiding in anyone. Therefore no mass rebellion or escape plans could be hatched. A resident never knew who was telling the truth, or who would go straight to Jones with the news. Even those who hated Jones and Jonestown had to wrestle with their consciences about whether to report on a friend; the consequences for failure to do so could be dire.

18. It’s another–as with Jonestown–to be prisoners, in a state of terror, no way to escape, knowing that there are spies everywhere who will inform on you if you broach a word of dissent, and having been brainwashed that people in the wider world are out to kill you, plus in many cases being killed if you don’t cooperate in committing suicide.

    Prisoners, welfare, check.

    Spies, diversity Muslims and students, check.

    People out to get you, Republicans are evil and waging war on women, check.

    Being killed by the police or muslims or criminals for disobeying, check.

19. Ymarsakar:

    No, not check.

    It’s one thing to have a bit of propaganda about those things floating about, and/or the siren call of welfare dependency. It’s quite another to be imprisoned with no avenue of escape and no choice in a total and completely closed system that controls you utterly and constitutes a reign of terror.

    Remember, also, that although many liberals are people on welfare and otherwise dependent on government, very many are self-supporting, well-educated, and even quite wealthy. So there’s no “prison” going on with them except propaganda, and peer pressure of a kind that’s so mild compared to what went on in Jonestown that it’s simply not comparable.

20. It’s not a “bit” of propaganda. The strongest chains are the ones invisible to the eye, placed upon the slaves by the slave’s own will.

    People think the shackles binding “free” Westerners are weak because the ‘prison’ walls are thin or translucent. The chains that bind Westerners in mind control are stronger techniques than the ones Jim Jones used.

21. Ymarsakar:

    It is not a “bit” in the absolute sense. But it IS “a bit” compared to what the Jonestown residents were subject to, which was more like the situation in a brainwashing prisoner-of-war camp. That’s why I used the word “bit,” as contrast.

    Read the post I wrote on the subject, watch the documentary, and read the book Seductive Poison, if you haven’t done so already. What happened there was very VERY extreme, much more extreme than most people know.

    The documentary is here.

22. Ymarsakar and neo-neocon: Good and deep thinking dialog on both sides. It gives us spectators something to think about. Too bad both of you are not in Congress,Senate or the WH, the country would be in exponentially better hands that it is today!

23. Tyrannies and dictatorships often hammer the people harder when their control is becoming finite and limited. They go looking around for some class or group, like the Jews, to hate and vanquish. Or some foreign enemies like American Satan to kill, so the jihadists at home don’t turn their eyes over to the local ruling class.

    That’s a sign of brittle power.

    The sign of obtaining absolute obedience over a human isn’t worried that some US Senator or Congress critter will make them fall out, while Jim Jones was in a middle of nowhere in a jungle. It’s when the Master gives an order to his slave, and the slave because of servant pride, gladly carries it out, living a fulfilled life. There are no chains, no threats, no blackmail, to hold the slave in prison.

    Jim Jones had to use as much as he did because his power was at an end and he feared it. It’s not like he had to use guns to coral his cult adherents in the beginning, those were already weaklings to begin with, that’s why they joined his Leftist new age BS. The circumstances led to it. If the circumstances were different, if Jim Jones were working better with Democrats, if he had another group he could gain power through by ordering his fanatics to kill and rape them for glory and paradise like the Islamos do, then he wouldn’t need to tighten his fist as much.

    If the analysis of Jim Jones in juxtaposition to current modern day Leftist wars is inadequate, it is only due to Jim Jones using the 1960s esque New Age Leftist techniques. The 2010 modern Leftist alliance mind control techniques are more subtle, more powerful, and more devastating on the WMD scale.

24. but my recollection is that they were encouraged to inform on each other if they heard anyone complain about or criticize Jones or Jonestown. The tattler was then publicly praised, while the complainer was subject to public harangues, physical punishment, withdrawal of privileges, and ostracism. In a totally controlled environment, this was especially difficult to take, even for those with strong personalities.

    Whatever did happen to those Christians and conservatives and actors who said something bad about the homo rapists or the Gaystapo?

    Same methodology, better techniques, broader spectrum targeting and more accurate targeting.

    The Left also utilized direct sexual conversion and brainwashing in Patty Hearst. Does that mean the modern 21st century sees less control and psychological manipulation than that? No, we see more of it. We see it everywhere. It is funded at a higher level, by more powerful groups, by more moderate seemingly groups, by more core communities. It is tolerated because it is more powerful.

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