Just helping a friend out: Dias Kadyrbayev sentenced in Boston
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Dias Kadyrbayev were college pals and roommates. Both were originally from countries bordering the Caspian Sea—the former from Chechnya, the latter from Kazakhstan. And both are spending some time in prison:
A college friend of Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was sentenced Tuesday to six years in prison after he apologized to the victims and their families for not calling police when he recognized photos of Tsarnaev as a suspect.
Dias Kadyrbayev, 21, pleaded guilty last year to obstruction of justice and conspiracy charges for removing items from Tsarnaev’s dorm room after recognizing his friend in photos released by the FBI days after the bombing.
Kadyrbayev was young, but he wasn’t so young that he didn’t know right from wrong. He was a friend of Tsarnaev’s, but although it may have been hard for him to believe his roommate was guilty, he certainly had good reason to be suspicious when Tsarnaev responded this way (and note the LOL from Tsarnaev, which supports my contention that he is actually a conscienceless psychopath):
At about 8:45 p.m. that night, Kadyrbayev sent Tsarnaev a text message: “U saw the news?”
In a reply text, Tsarnaev said he did, then said, “Better not text me my friend,” and added, “Lol.”
Kadyrbayev texted back, “u saw urself in there?”
Tsarnaev responded by telling him he could go to his dorm room and “take what’s there.”
It wouldn’t have required a giant brain to figure out that Tsarnaev was showing what’s called “consciousness of guilt.” At least Kadyrbayev doesn’t really try to justify what he did to cover up for Tsarnaev; he doesn’t even seem to understand his own motives, and I believe it’s the case that he’s not aware of exactly why he did what he did. I think what happened is that his loyalty to his friend overcame whatever slight and poorly-developed internal moral sense he possessed, and the idea of covering up his friend’s shame (paramount in honor/shame cultures) instead took over:
Kadyrbayev went to Tsarnaev’s room with two other friends. There, he and another man agreed to remove Tsarnaev’s computer and a backpack containing fireworks that had been partially emptied of their explosive powder. Kadyrbayev threw the backpack into a garbage dumpster. It was later recovered at a landfill after federal agents spent two days searching for it.
Kadyrbayev said Tuesday that he had no explanation for his actions.
“I can’t find an answer. I really can’t believe that I acted so stupidly,” he told Judge Douglas Woodlock before his sentence was imposed.
“Stupidly” is a funny word, isn’t it? How about “wrongly”? And it is nearly impossible to imagine he didn’t strongly suspect that Dzhokhar was guilty, since—in addition to the FBI photo—the backpack still had some fireworks in it.
Another report on Kadyrbayev has a fuller statement from him, one in which he uses the word “bad” rather than “stupid,” and which also highlights the prominence of shame in Kadyrbayev’s moral scale:
“I want to start by saying how truly sorry I am for all the victims, their families, their friends,” Kadyrbayev told the court. “I am ashamed by my actions. I know my bad decision put shame on my name.”
You’ll probably be pleased to hear that Kadyrbayev, who is not a citizen and was here on a student visa, will be deported back to Kazakhstan when he is finished serving his term.
There are two other friends of Tsarnaev’s facing sentencing. I don’t see much about them, but I believe that they are the same ones discussed here: Robel Phillipos, a naturalized citizen from Ethiopia, and Azabat Tazhayakov from Kazakhstan. It is highly possible that, had the young men not covered up for Tsarnaev, the death of MIT police officer Sean Collier might have been prevented.
Which bolsters my claim that there isn’t such a thing as a moderate muslim. How many associated with such would do the same thing? My guess is most of them. They back each other, right up against murder, caring neither for consequence or crime. This isn’t going to end well.
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Neo said:
“Kadyrbayev was young, but he wasn’t so young that he didn’t know right from wrong…”
According to Front Page Magazine Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev are both Kazakh Muslims. So, of course Kadyrbayev knew right from wrong, that is why he helped Tsarnaev cover up his terrorism, because in his religion what Tsarnaev did is right. It would have been wrong for him to not help his fellow Muslim who was an outlaw by kaffir standards. The Koran and hadiths are very clear that every Muslim is obligated to support active jihadis even if the Muslims in question are not active combatants themselves.
What is amazing is that kaffirs like Neo still judge Muslims by kaffir moral standards rather than by Muslim morality.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/2-more-muslims-arrested-in-boston-bombing-investigation/
Dennis:
The trial was in an American court, and therefore I was judging him by American legal and societal standards.
Personally, I judge by my own standards which are outside anything beyond my sense of what is right and wrong. I am a sovereign citizen. I bow to no man or woman or government.Nuke multiple sites from orbit, its the only way to be certain.
Shrugs
They have their Authority and they will obey it, just as the Left will obey their next Hussein O God Emperor.
“Stupidly” in this instance refers to his shock at how intensely the LEO authorities would turn over EVERY stone to find the stuff that he though he could make disappear.
ONLY NOW does he realize that he had to be much more clever in hiding the criminal evidence.
THAT’S what he meant by stupidly.
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Unfortunately, these legal matters merely steel the jihadis into upping their game.
Legal action in no way deters a fanatic.
It’s why lawfare is a total bust against Islamists.
It’s a sham counter-move.
In that sense, very much like the ayatollah’s air war against ISIS… seen as a sham by all who’re in the MENA.
Very well said Neo:
” At least he doesn’t really try to justify what he did to cover up for Tsarnaev; he doesn’t even seem to understand his own motives, and I believe it’s the case that he’s not aware of exactly why he did what he did. I think what happened is that his loyalty to his friend overcame whatever slight and poorly-developed internal moral sense he possessed, and the idea of covering up his friend’s shame (paramount in honor/shame cultures) instead took over.”
It’s not clear how much the investigation and capture was actually impeded by the boys’ actions, but what they did was unlawful. Still, it is not surprising for college boys to choose in an instant to help one of their own in trouble and defy the authorities. I think this is more appropriately a 1 year sentence situation and not 6. This could have been one of our own sons failing to see the consequences of following an impulse to give aid to someone close.
“Stupidly” is a funny word, isn’t it? How about “wrongly”?
He was ‘stupid’, because his action brought him into the criminal act and didn’t protect his friend.
At least he expresses some concern for the victims, unlike his psycho friend.
I think this is more appropriately a 1 year sentence situation and not 6.
If he were covering up underaged drinking, sure. Covering up murders? No.
However, look at the people actually attempting to bomb people in MO getting off with only a 7 year sentence.
Sentencing in the country is grossly out of wack.
So interesting, I think you are correct Neo about the cultures these people were raised in, it has a good deal to do with what and why they do things.
I’m reading Ann Couter’s Adios America and her points about the culture, the “undocumented citizens,” have been raised in will change American culture and NOT for the good.
I just returned from Israel and it warmed me to see Israeli’s doing things together as a family. Children playing in the streets, it was America when I was growing up in the 70’s.
Israel is growing and building everywhere in the tiny country, both Arabs and Jews. Israel still has core Western values, the same we had from an earlier time. Even the least observant among them still have the values espoused in the Bible.
I think it’s why taking in large numbers of people from deficient cultures will hurt us more because large swaths of American people don’t know or recognize right from wrong anymore.
Beth: “I think it’s why taking in large numbers of people from deficient cultures will hurt us more because large swaths of American people don’t know or recognize right from wrong anymore.”
Bingo. Every country I have been in that was a former colony of Spain or France has a culture that accepts government corruption as the normal way of doing business. Government officials use their positions to enrich themselves through bribery and kickbacks. It is expected and accepted. That’s why they remain “Banana Republics” and don’t ever achieve anything like what the Anglosphere, with its respect for private property and the rule of law, has achieved.
It’s even worse in the Muslim world where the very basis of their faith is fatalism. They believe that if Allah wills it, it will happen. They have no authorship over the events of their lives, no free will.
Both these cultural norms result in retrograde societies that are forever stuck in poverty and corruption.
Everyone involved with the Boston attack should get the death penalty.
This underscores something already known: in tribal cultures loyality to friends, family and sect trumps all moral considerations. It can be said even more damning thing: these cultures know no moral except such loyalities, all universal principles are inherently alien to them.
Leftists think they know about a lot of cultures. In point of fact, it’s difficult to get them to show their wisdom and understanding of American culture, let alone any foreign cultures.
They probably don’t want to deal with projection issues for Muslim cultures, as they don’t like they find there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmywzjdtRM
Courtesy of Bookworm Room