On poets, celebrities, and politics
During a 1976 interview, author and poet James Dickey said this about poets and celebrities pronouncing on politics:
INTERVIEWER
Some of your detractors have mentioned the fact that they felt that you should use your influence, your place in the world, for the “betterment of man.”
DICKEY
If I knew what it was, I might do that. But I don’t know. There’s this tendency in American life to assume that because someone is good or maybe just notorious or publicized in one realm that he’s a universal authority on everything. So, Frank Sinatra or John Wayne can tell you how to vote. What competence do they have in politics? Or that a poet can tell you about ecology or something of that sort. A poet is only a professional sensibility. His opinion in politics is no better than anyone else’s ninety-nine percent of the time. But they’re always being interviewed and always being asked their political opinion: what should we do with the military, what should we do with the economy, with government spending, et cetera. Poets don’t know anything about that. If they did, they wouldn’t be poets. This is not to say that they are precluded from knowing anything about it at all; it is to say, however, that just because they are poets their opinions should not be paid any more attention to than anybody else’s. It does not give them any privilege or any insight or any clairvoyance as to the political and economic and military future of America.
INTERVIEWER
You don’t feel, then, that since a poet has a highly developed sensitivity about our universe and about our place in the world and our society, he should make public pronouncements about the direction our society is taking?
DICKEY
I think in that way lies madness. No; all he’s got is his own sensibility and his own opinions as a private citizen. But he has no privilege. Insight, yes. Maybe a poet could come along who could solve all our problems, but I haven’t seen him yet. The history of poets pronouncing on public issues is notoriously dismal.
It was the poet Shelley who famously called poets the “unacknowledged legislators of the world.” These days any comparison to “legislators” might be considered an insult, but Shelley certainly didn’t mean it that way:
For Shelley, “poets … are not only the authors of language and of music, of the dance, and architecture, and statuary, and painting; they are the institutors of laws, and the founders of civil society…” Social and linguistic order are not the sole products of the rational faculty, as language is “arbitrarily produced by the imagination” and reveals “the before unapprehended relations of things and perpetuates their apprehension” of a higher beauty and truth. Shelley’s conclusive remark that “poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world” suggests his awareness of “the profound ambiguity inherent in linguistic means, which he considers at once as an instrument of intellectual freedom and a vehicle for political and social subjugation”
Shelley not only seemed to think poets have enormous influence in the world (poets were far more famous, and poetry generally more highly regarded, in his day than it is now). He also was himself a very politically active guy. And it should come as no surprise which political side he was on:
[Shelley’s father insisted] that [Shelley] renounce…his beliefs, which included atheism, vegetarianism, free love, and political radicalism; Shelley refused. The resulting estrangement from his father was completed when Shelley eloped with Harriet Westbrook, the 16-year-old daughter of a coffee-house keeper. Shelley now sought a vocation: he went to Ireland for a few months to campaign for political reform; his poem “Queen Mab” appeared in 1813. The following year he met his hero William Godwin, the author of Political Justice, and fell in love with his daughter Mary, a radical and an idealist like himself. The daughter of William Godwin and Mary Wollstonecraft, the pioneering feminist who wrote A Vindication of the Rights of Women, Mary later wrote Frankenstein and The Last Man, two novels that remain popular and influential today. Taking along Mary’s step-sister Jane Clairmont (daughter of the second Mrs. Godwin), Mary and Percy eloped to Switzerland in July 1814.
Like quite a few leftist radicals, Shelley didn’t have to soil his hands like the common man. He had an inheritance:
An inheritance from his grandfather of £1000 per annum in 1815 alleviated Shelley’s financial difficulties, which were often caused by his generosity to others.
Shelley resembled certain other leftist radicals in the complexity of his domestic life, in which he threw off the yoke of tradition and lived pretty much the way he wished. His behavior may seem familiar today, but imagine how shocking it was in the early part of the nineteenth century:
…[Shelley’s] domestic situation became very complex: Harriet, who had already given him a daughter, Ianthe, bore a son, Charles, on Nov. 30, 1814, after Shelley had been living with Mary for several months. A few months later (Feb. 22, 1815) Mary bore a daughter, who lived only a few days, and in January 1816 their son William was born. In 1816, Percy, Mary, and Jane Clairmont (who had reinvented herself as Claire and become Lord Byron’s mistress) returned to Geneva, where they met Byron and his friend (and doctor) John Polidori…After they returned to England, Mary’s half-sister Fanny Imlay committed suicide in October, and less than a month later, Harriet (apparently pregnant by another man) drowned herself. Shelley married Mary in December but lost custody of his children by Harriet to her family.
During his life, Shelley was by no means as popular as his buddy Byron, who was a rock star. But despite this, a number of scholars believe that Shelley’s political views were very, very influential indeed:
Paul Foot, in his Red Shelley, has documented the pivotal role Shelley’s works ”“ especially Queen Mab ”” have played in the genesis of British radicalism. Although Shelley’s works were banned from respectable Victorian households, his political writings were pirated by men such as Richard Carlile who regularly went to jail for printing “seditious and blasphemous libel” (i.e. material proscribed by the government), and these cheap pirate editions reached hundreds of activists and workers throughout the nineteenth century.
In other countries such as India, Shelley’s works both in the original and in translation have influenced poets such as Rabindranath Tagore and Jibanananda Das. A pirated copy of Prometheus Unbound dated 1835 is said to have been seized in that year by customs at Bombay.
So it’s possible that Shelley wasn’t just a megalomaniac, and that he did influence the course of political history. These days, poets seem to influence comparatively little—except for who will get published in poetry journals read moslty by their fellow poets in academia and aspirants to the club. Now it’s rock stars and movie stars who serve the function of shaping politics through the widespread influence of their point of view, which is almost always to the left.
I’m with Dickey on this.
It’s interesting that the people who seriously entered politics that had a career in the entertainment world, specifically the movie branch, tend to adopt the Republican ticket. Schwarzenegger was in immigrant to the States and Reagan was raised in small town Midwest who later attended a non-elite [read: Ivy, top LAS, Stanford, NYU, USC] college in small town Midwest. Both became governor of California and one taking position as POTUS later on.
>>Now it’s rock stars and movie stars who serve the function of shaping politics through the widespread influence of their point of view, which is almost always to the left.
And is mostly a very bad thing. Some of the stuff rock stars and actors say, on almost any subject – even their own specialty – is cringe worthy, and only impresses the naive, stupid and young.
Wonderful post. I’ve copied and pasted it to my files for future reference.
When I was in college James Dickey came to my school to give a talk around the time the movie Deliverance came out (in late 1972?). He’s right about poets having feet of clay (and he was semi-drunk when he spoke to us). Still, his book Deliverance was good and I’ve always like his poem, Buckdancer’s Choice.
carl in atlanta:
Dickey’s drinking was legendary.
When an actor makes a political pronouncement I remember Katharine Hepburn’s comment.
Acting is the perfect idiot’s profession. Katharine Hepburn
I think in that way lies madness. No; all he’s got is his own sensibility and his own opinions as a private citizen. But he has no privilege. Insight, yes.
Tell that to the doctors waving their awards and degrees around.
They are so besotten with their social status and degree to which other ignoramuses pay attention to their judgment, that they think they know what’s going on in the human body. Enough to issue government and public decrees of health, diet, and proclamations of near divine preclusion.
I remember one doctor talking here, along with others, concerning artificial sugar, how it and various other proclamations of diet from the Stooge Crowd of Authoritarian Belief, knows more than I do, which means they are more correct in the general purview. This was some years or months before the “New Authoritarian” word came out on the subject.
Fats are corrected. It’s the saturated, right? Artificial sugars have nothing to do with obesity, they said. It’s chemically the same as natural sugar. The idea being that scientists and chemists know how to reproduce sugar so that the body can’t tell the difference. They can’t vote in enough public welfare to the Hussein stooge so that he makes a public insurance program that’s indistinguishable to the human body from a private insurance, but people think doctors and scientists are omnipotent demo gods capable of over riding human nature by exceeding the limit of human mortal comprehension.
So did Shelley produce an inheritance for his own children, so that they lived the same initial life as his own? Or did he squander his inheritance, and thus broke spiritually with his entire paternal line?
It seems like many Leftists, including the more hypocritical sort, their beliefs are only powered by the blood, pain, and sacrifice of others. Long time dead in the case of Vietnam, Cuba, and their ancestors.
Shelly was to Byron as Ringo was to John, Paul and George…
Writing lyrics for popular songs is a form of poetry…if you look at it that way, the social influence of poets may not have declined at all.
WORD! Barbra Streisand would be a good singer if she would just shut up about politics.
It is true that song and dance are the supporting foundation of a culture. One can easily look at the state of the health of an entire people via their songs, dances, and word play.
That’s why American Idol, ever a production of the usual sorts, was decadent to me. Not compared to rap, Hollywood, MPAA, and the usual sorts.
Correction: wasn’t decadent to me.
Looking back now, it occurs to me that my early dislike of Shelley presaged my conservative cultural and political turn.
For me, Shelley’s most telling legacy was a remark made by Mary Shelley years after the tumult and the shouting had died. The person who claimed to have heard it relayed it to Matthew Arnold, who preserved it. Mrs. Shelley was looking for a suitable school for her son and asked the advice of a friend, who said “Oh, send him somewhere where they will teach him to think for himself.” Mrs. Shelley answered, “Teach him to think for himself? Oh, my God, teach him rather to think like other people!”
It also strikes me as the legacy of many revolutionary movements, such as the one of the 1960s.
Celebrities opine on many things besides politics and a certain cohort of the population believes them.
A lot of things bother me, but for some reason a particular coincidence is particularly depressing.
Kurt Cobain and Lew Puller, Jr. killed themselves the same month of the same year. The rock star got the ink.
Makes me crazy to think about it.
Plato had a few worthwhile thoughts about the relationship of the poets to politics. Of course the world, we’re told, has changed since Plato’s times. We’re warranted some doubt on that score, if only in order to test the coherence of that arc of history, “right side” “wrong side” nonsense.