Dershowitz rips Obama on Iran
I wouldn’t hire this administration to negotiate a one-month lease for me,” Dershowitz said.
He also called Obama “undiplomatic,” “petulant,” and “juvenile,” according to Noah Pollak of the Emergency Committee for Israel…
And yet, and yet—although these actions by Obama regarding Iran and Israel were totally and completely predictable, I seem to recall a certain Alan Dershowitz voted for him and vocally supported him, twice. In 2012, some of his stated reasons for that endorsement concerned wanting liberal justices appointed to SCOTUS (ironic that perhaps Obama won’t get to name any more, however, if all of them manage to hold up for the next two years). But then Dershowitz wrote the following, which was already risible in 2012 although if anything it’s even more risible now:
The case for Barack Obama also includes his approach to foreign policy, which has improved the standing of America around the world…The Obama administration has worked closely with our allies to impose the harshest possible sanctions on Iran, to depose Muammar Gaddafi and to help keep the Arab Spring from turning into an extremist Muslim winter…
With regards to Iran, which poses the most immediate threat to the security of the United States and its allies, most especially Israel, the policy of the Obama administration is crystal clear: It has taken containment off the table and kept the military option on the table…
But the best way to avoid the need for military action is for the Iranian mullahs to believe that the United States will never allow them to develop nuclear weapons. If they believe that reality then the pain of the sanctions will pressure them to give up their nuclear ambitions. President Obama has clearly stated that he is not bluffing when he says that his administration will never allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons. A secondterm president generally has more credibility than a firstterm president when it comes to threatening military action…
When it comes to reenergizing the moribund peace process between Israel and the Palestinians, Romney has said that he would do nothing other than kick the can down the road.
President Obama, on the other hand, would almost certainly try to bring the parties together to achieve a two-state solution that guaranteed Israel’s security while allowing the Palestinians to govern themselves.
If I wanted a lawyer I wouldn’t mind having Dershowitz on the case. But for anything else—well, let’s just say I’m not impressed. Obama fooled you once, Dershowitz, fooled you twice…
Although I’m picking on Dershowitz (not that he’ll know or care), he’s not alone, and I doubt I’m telling him anything he doesn’t already know. I think that’s why he’s so very angry at Obama right now: he’s made a fool out of Dershowitz. Or shall I say, a useful idiot. But you know what? I think that, if Obama was running for a third term (perish the thought), that Dershowitz would go for that football again. And again.
That’s how hard it is to change one’s political mind, especially for those who are dedicated liberals and who have gone on record for years as such. Dershowitz wouldn’t even have to renounce liberalism; all he’d have to do is renounce Obama. But in a way, that’s the first step down the slippery slope.
TWICE!
You are so right Neo, I have NO DOUBT Dersh would
cast another vote for the petulant juvenile…..
even though he is friendly with Denis Prager, I guess his wall of brain dead cannot be penetrated.
Dersh is just plain NUTS ! I ve lost all respect for the man & I used to think he had an impressive mind,
Not any more !
I suspect there is an element of academic white guilt syndrome at work. He is probably like those idiots who cheered Obama at his Victory Tower campaign speech in Berlin. Dershowitz needs to get out of Cambridge and hang around with some normal people for a while.
Unfortunately, MollyNH, Neo is right in that is very hard “…to change one’s political mind…”. Dershowitz isn’t nuts at all; he is like many people in trying to come up with new reasoning that doesn’t completely betray his friends. Updike discussed his extreme discomfort with being out of step with his milieu’s orthodoxies. I feel the same way with my liberal, longtime friends in the SF Bay Area. And, older thoughtful people have the most difficulty with this than younger ones who haven’t spent a lifetime building an ideology.
Expat, Molly,
I asked my golf buddies, all doctors, if they were willing to beg my forgiveness after having voted for the man twice even though I warned them what would happen. Two of them are basically conservative, all of us are not-very-devout Jews. They live in fear of the Christian theocrats and neo-Nazi revival, pretty much like that novel of Roth’s, The Plot Against America.
All of them would vote for Obama again. It is not a rational thing.
Dershowitz is a committed liberal. His 2012 rationalizations in support of Obama and his foreign policy in regard to Iran are more than laughable, they are the pathetic rationalizations of an ‘old’ fool.
It is his realization that he has been betrayed on Israel that fuels his rage at Obama. Dershowitz is a loyal Jew to Israel and though he pretends to himself that a two-state solution is possible, he can no longer pretend that Obama is a friend to Israel. He can no longer deny Obama’s animosity not just to Netanyahu but to Israel itself. He fears that Obama is about to stab Israel in the back in the U.N. And… he’s right in that fear.
All the IQ points in the world don’t seem to make a difference…some of the simplist people can easily spot the fraudulent nature of the left, yet people like Dershowitz, who is obviously brilliant in certain areas, can’t get out of his own way. Hard to comprehend.
Dopnkatsu, I so wish that these Jews could come to understand that the best non-jewish friends they have are Evangelical Christians. I know that some of them think we support Israel because that will bring the second Coming, an idea completely at variance with Christian theology. No, rather, when we read in genesis, “Who blesses you(Abraham) I will bless. Who curses you, I will curse,” we want to remain firmly on the right side of that formula. Sigh!The late Corrie ten Boom was not only a good example for us to emulate, but also a highly sought after speaker at Evangelical events.
Dersh had major problems breaking with Jimmah.
The man has real Judenrat ‘issues’… as he utterly fails to recognize that he’s been slouching towards Tehran with Barry writing the script.
To a man, the Judenrat rationalized their function as amelioratory, when all that they achieved was a delay in the alarm going out.
Dersh has served EXACTLY the same purpose in the here and now.
For he has projected rationality onto True Believers — as both the Ayatollah Khamenei and Ayatollah Soetoro just that.
donkatsu, I cannot fathom being that much of a
traitor to my ethnic heritage as your SF doctor
friends. & I am a second generation American, also I find it shocking that preservation of
unique American Liberties are no where on their radar.
Does golf do funny things to your brain ?
Useful idiot seems about right. Lot of them out there.
Interesting piece by James Q. Wilson at City Journal: Why Don’t Jews Like the Christians Who Like Them?
The Association of German National Jews supported Hitler from 1933 until the organization was disbanded by the Nazis in 1935. Their leader was arrested by the Nazis and few of their number survived the war. Some lessons come at an extremely high cost.
Dersho was wrong TWICE!. End of story.
Dersho would cease to give you the time of the day if you were to be wrong TWICE about anything…
Dersho would label you as a person with no judgement and relegate you to the back of the room never to be called on again.
End.of.story.
TWICE!
Dersho and his ilk are a waste of time, their disdainful, pompous and elitist mien notwithstanding.
Time we start making that clear. Nonsensical people who are about to get us in very bad straights.
Here, another Dersho style clown:
Redistributing wealth may be all that staves off collapse
Total nonsense, no way to come to a meeting of the minds.
The TWICE people ….. nothing learned, everything forgotten …
Donkatsu …
It is ironic, no?
Lindberg was a secret agent run by FDR — himself, personally, out of the White House — with the express purpose of being an agent provocateur — after a fashion.
It was Lindberg that was constantly dogging Congress about the pitiful state of the US Army Air Corps.
Goring showed Lindberg stuff he had best not — as Lindberg ran straight back to FDR with ‘the scoop.’ FDR merely had Lindberg stricken from the White House guest list — brought in the back door, Netanyahu/ Dalai Lama style.
IIRC, some of Lindberg’s speeches were actually WRITTEN by FDR and his writing staff.
It worked. Congress started cutting contracts for an entire series of new aircraft in the late 1930’s because of Lindberg’s goadings. (P38, P39, P40, P47 all started life in this period… as did a flood of medium and heavy bombers.)
Without Lindberg’s antics, all of the above machines would’ve been TOO LATE for the war.
France, herself, proved just how true that was. Her top of the line fighter began serious production in — Spring of 1940!!!!!!
Paris had hit the panic button TOO LATE. Without fighter cover, her armies were lost in any event. France was in even worse shape than the video histories portray.
That Lindberg was FDR’s buddy is still lost on most.
It was his tight connection to the US government that made Pan Am, Pan Am. Lindberg and Trippe were tight buddies going way, way back. For a time, Pan Am was, de facto, a stealthy Federal asset. Its rivals ALL considered it exactly just so.
BTW, in all of Lindberg’s speeches he never talked up Hitlerism. His pitch was always (fake) isolationism.
As history shows, Lindberg over did his task. He became so identified with isolationism that it was too late to walk it back.
His whole pitch — the Germans are too advanced — fed DIRECTLY into Adolf’s folly of declaring war upon America, December 11, 1941.
This error was augmented by FDR’s leakage of Rainbow Five — yet one more FDR gambit to convince Adolf that America was in absolutely no position to contest the Luftwaffe. FDR had J. Edgar Hoover running around Washington trying to find the traitor who leaked Rainbow Five — right up until he found out that the leaker was FDR, himself. (!) (By way of Hap Arnold and his NSC staffer.)
This particular leak, generally unknown by modern Americans occurred mere days ahead of Pearl Harbor.
That’s SOME coincidence, no?
kaba:
Your point?
That group you cite was a small, atypical organization:
Not exactly typical of Jews in Germany, nor does it seem to have had a large following (circulation 6,000). Actually, most German Jews were well aware that Hitler was their enemy. They left Germany in droves—the ones who could afford to leave, were healthy enough to leave, and could find a country to take them (not an easy task). It got harder and harder as time went on to leave, but many left very early in the game. By the time WWII came, almost 2/3 of German Jews had left the country. See this.
I guess ideology trumps facts and intelligent reasoning more often than not.
Folks like Dershowitz helped give Obama the cover he needed in ’08 and ’12; and he carried water for the Clintons back during their scandal ridden reign.
A little late to the fray Professor.
Neo said, ” By the time WWII came, almost 2/3 of German Jews had left the country.”
Unfortunately, many of them went to what they thought would be nearby safe havens in Europe, and the Germans caught up with them anyway.
Blert, your defense of Lindbergh is interesting. As an aviator, I have always admired him while disappointed in his politics. Never heard the story you are telling. References?
Oldflyer:
That’s true—the Germans stalked them in their new countries. That’s exactly what happened to Anne Frank’s family, which had emigrated to Holland from Germany. I believe that Otto Frank’s elderly mother survived the war in Switzerland; not sure how she managed to get permission from the Swiss.
My point about the German Jews leaving Germany was to point out that they did realize Hitler was bad, and that it was time to leave.
For what it’s worth . . .
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anne_Morrow_Lindbergh
“Charles was a stubborn Swede, you know, and he himself never felt the need to explain his feelings about where he stood and about past statements. But I feel free now to elaborate on his actual attitudes. He never wanted to be regarded as a hero or leader, and he never had political ambitions. His prewar isolationist speeches were given in all sincerity for what he thought was the good of the country and the world… He was accused of being anti-Semetic, but in the 45 years I lived with him I never heard him make a remark against the Jews, not a crack or joke, and neither did any of our children.”
— Anne Morrow Lindbergh on her husband, Charles Lindbergh, in The New York Times (20 April 1980)
M J R:
One thing we know—Lindbergh was partial to German women.
Neo…
It’s apparent that Lucky Lindy reprised his special ‘spy’ relationship with an American President — with Ike.
What a coincidence.
We know one thing: the man could keep a secret.
His wife went to her grave not knowing about his FDR era tales.
BTW, FDR correctly figured that Lucky would have an open carpet like no-one else… AND that Lucky was a flying engineer who’d fully recognize the significance of everything he saw. He didn’t even need to bring a camera.(!)
While his isolationism still rings in modern history — there’s an overwhelming tendency to skip past all of his running commentary about the technical superiority of German aircraft and the non-existence of ANY American machines that would be remotely competitive.
All of these speeches carried a message that FDR could never possibly deliver with credibility.
Indeed, all the way through that period, FDR spent all of his PR talent trying to convince the American voters that he was going to keep their boys out of the European war — as well!
Lindbergh’s pitch WAS FDR’s pitch — right up until Adolf declared war upon the USA. He then proceeded to do exactly what he’d been scheming all along.
BOTH Lindbergh’s isolationism and FDR’s isolationism were entirely phony… from the get go.
A TRUE isolationist would not have been constantly badgering Congress to build up the US Army Air Corps — the only possible consequence being to make it ‘intervention ready.’
This theme — that America was hopelessly behind in the aircraft race was riven through Rainbow Five. This was a top, top, top, secret white paper for the NSC only — extremely limited circulation — number copies — the works — that spelled out in brutal detail how impossible it would be to spool up American aircraft production — IN PARTICULAR — in anything less than eighteen months!
Magically, it was leaked by FDR when the Imperial Japanese Navy was already at sea — headed straight for Pearl Harbor.
Towards that end, the US Coast Guard issued an all points ban against commercial shipping through-out the northern Pacific — just so that the Japanese strike force wouldn’t bump into anyone. (!) This extraordinary command has been dropped into the memory hole.
We’ve all been told that the IJN was silent during that fateful transit. The full reveal establishes that to be a fulsome lie. The carrier force hit severe bad weather — and had to go open on the radio to call the fleet back into good order. Thus more than FIFTY radio transmissions were intercepted by the Canadians and Americans as the strike force headed down towards the Hawaiian Islands!
Code breaking was not even necessary. PERIOD.
So it’s a strange world when Tokyo, Washington, Ottawa, London and Moscow all know that the IJN is sailing down to Hawaii. The only players in the dark: Kimmel, Short and Berlin.
(Berlin couldn’t even locate Pearl Harbor on a map!)
BTW, FDR had yet other players that he was ‘running’ as his private agents. Lucky was hardly alone. FDR just loved intrigues — that and deceiving the American voters.
If you do not know how to grow and preserve vegetables and hunt, you are dependent upon the mercy of those who do know. The boychild is incapable of growing his own choom. Let the apocalypse begin. Country boys and girls will survive.
As a coda:
The Rainbow Five objectives for mid 1943 were achieved by late April, 1942. Eighteen months of war conversion work collapsed down to five months when the balloon went up.
It actually turned out that the best producers of this or than war good were not even on the horizon for the NSC study.
It never occurred to the experts that the great bulk of the American manufacturing capacity would ALL be turned over to full time, panic war production, 24 hours a day, seven days a week — as if launched out of a cannon.
Astonishingly, America passed by Germany’s war production tempo in less than nine months and picked up speed from there.
Discussing the madness of the past is useful, but preparing to face the madness of the future is the object in the rear view mirror that is closer than it appears.
No, Dershowitz would not be voting for Obama again.
No way. (Not that it matters at this point…)
For the mask of the maniac in the White House has slipped. And even Dershowitz—even he—cannot ignore it.
Nor will many others be able to, though many others, plagued by personal “issues” and/or misled by the shameless, complicit media, will continue to support him.
And the phenomenon is indeed sickening. Absolutely sickening.
For whom among us does not have family and/or friends and colleagues—good, decent, caring people many of them—who have fallen for this malevolent maniac? And who continue to believe in him?
Certainly, the media is complicit in his lies and crimes. They have spread the word and prevented the truth. But to what extent can that, at this point, be used as an excuse?
Still, there remains for Obama much to do. He has to ram through the deal with Iran (and if Hollande balks, he’ll be sure to get the Bibi treatment).
And after Tehran, it’s on to Pyonpyang and a deal with North Korea.
The anti-Bush, anti-West, anti-US, anti-Europe, anti-Israel, anti-orientalist, anti-colonialist, anti-oppressor (and—surprise!!—very much pro-destruction) Obama is gearing up.
To be sure, the mask has slipped too early…
Which makes it all doubly, triply urgent.
neo,
My point is that it should have been obvious in 2008 and painfully so in 2012 where the American left in general and Obama in particular stand on the question of security for the State of Israel. The American Jews largely ignored that and will almost certainly do so again in 2016. The “Never Again” that was unthinkable a few short years ago has become a very real possibility.
The American Jews largely ignored that and will almost certainly do so again in 2016. The “Never Again” that was unthinkable a few short years ago has become a very real possibility…
…. …. ….
Liberal American Jew say the “Never Again” with a slight tone of regret …
Something is very wrong in that mental sphere…
It was also so during the WWII events. Look up Stephen Samuel Wise …. High up on my list of graves to go piss on …
This article today by Dennis Prager seems particularly relevant:
http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2015/03/24/americas-leftwing-jews-ashamed-of-israels-jews-n1975167
He was for him before he was against him…
Molly, Blert,
All good points you make, and I did not know all of that about Lindbergh, though I did know he was basically a patriot.
Too bad this situation is governed by the unfathomably irrational. I can get my friends to agree with me entirely in private, or even out on the course, but they will never break ranks beyond, and because they are not habitual liars, they HAVE to vote D because they can not lie to their families about voting R.
But there is a lot of this kind of thing about, and it goes a lot deeper than Barry 0. Think of the Silicon Valley oligarchs who organize their lives and businesses so as to avoid any contact with regular Americans in the coding rooms, on the roads of Sunnyvale, in the kitchen, or in the garden. Think of the horrified reactions of your Brookline/Upper West Side/Bethesda/Marin neighbors when you tell them that you shop (gasp) at Purity Supreme (or Safeway, etc.), or that you drive an American car.
I travel all over the world for work and must be able to get along with all kinds of people. Many times people have told me, intended as a compliment: “but you are not like most Americans” I take it as an insult, but most of the people we are talking about would take is as a compliment. And what I have found is that if you push back forcefully and politely, tell them how bad their food is (foreigners are forever insulting our bread and coffee), how it must be hard to have real men doing all the heavy lifting for them around the world, they will give way or quiet down, except for the real moonbats. Lefties here generally respond with spitballs and all manner of immature behavior.
Unfortunately, we cannot blame this on golf, though many would like to.
Dershoputz…You visiting OJ in that dandy Nevada prison, Alan? May he rot there forever. May the butchered Michelle and Ron have the honor of watching him and his scheisters turn on spits in hell for a few centuries.
it’s peer pressure and stereotypes.
If you are a liberal, you are seen has the good guy/gal who cares about people and you always do the right thing. You believe in equal rights and economic fairness (as long as you can hide your funds when Tax Day shows up). Europe, esp. France, is Nirvana and America would be exactly like them (or at least Canada) if it wasn’t for those evil conservatives.
If you are a conservative, then you are a rich white person who cares only about yourself. You are a bigot, selfish and a sexist who hates minorities and women. If you could, you would turn back time to 1986 when St Reagan was in charge. You hate Europe, where everyone is equal, gets 6 months off of work and everything is paid for by their government.
note: this is sarcasm, but pretty much on the mark
Now imagine *every* newspaper, tv news, movies and tv shows repeats this over and over it would be hard for anyone to say they are conservative. Ostracism would result, esp. in the circles Dershowitz is in.
NeoConScum Says:
March 24th, 2015 at 10:12 am
Dershoputz…You visiting OJ in that dandy Nevada prison, Alan? May he rot there forever. May the butchered Michelle and Ron have the honor of watching him and his scheisters turn on spits in hell for a few centuries….
And I would like to contribute:
may the flies of a thousand camels inhabit his armpits and the fleas of all the dogs in the world infest his mustache …
Oj s wife was Nicole BTW
Obama ‘s married to Michelle (lol)
Blert, I am still looking for references to support your assertion that Lindbergh was a secret agent for FDR.
We know that after he visited Germany he came home and publicly expressed the opinion (praised?) that Germany was becoming an industrial and military super power.
His wife’s defense of him against anti-semite charges does not complete the square.
As said, as an Aviator, I certainly admire CL’s accomplishments and his courage; I would like for what you say to be true. But, we cannot just accept anything that we read on the net at face value. Sadly.
Neo, I understood your point about the pre-war German Jews, just noting that safety was elusive for many.
Physicsguy that Prager link is great. As usual he gets to the crux of it.
Donkatsu, re: your observations of the horrified Left
are an *explanation* of the current *problem* that
exists in our culture, PC has ruined & continues to ruin
all of us ! Other points of view are shut down,
self censorship rules the day. Misconceptions are
never addressed & rectified. The MSM News is self censored & determined to be PC at all times !
Confabulater & chief news arbiter at NBC Brian Williams
deep sixed stories by veteran reporters like Lisa Myers
when the stories reflected poorly on Obama’s agenda.
Williams called the information “divisive”, Myers quit
the job, so there is a smidgen of integrity out there.
physicsguy Says:
March 24th, 2015 at 8:35 am
This article today by Dennis Prager seems particularly relevant…
What about this:
Leftist Campaign: No More Charity, the Poor Vote Likud
Something in very wrong in that mental sphere …
G6loq, hateful bunch those Israli leftists, now you need to vote PC or *no more soup for you *
Rather sad when human to human support comes with
*strings*.
he’s made a fool out of Dershowitz.
Dershowitz made a fool out of Dershowitz. He seems to have thought Obama was a Dershowitz clone. It’s that old projection thing. That said, I’m not sure where the cheers for the Libya intervention came from, that was just dumb.
It might be genetic. Jonathan Haidt’s book makes the point that conservatives and leftists have a significant difference in moral values.
The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion
February 12, 2013
by Jonathan Haidt (Author)
kaba:
Yes, but I felt I needed to clarify the record on the German Jews, just in case people misunderstood.
Also, many of today’s Jews who support Obama are not religious Jews, they are secular Jews and don’t identify all that much with Israel.
blert:
I don’t think you’re right about Lindbergh. I assume you have some sources, but you don’t link them so I can’t evaluate their reliability, and I’ve read quite a bit to the contrary about Lindbergh (including quite a few books by and about his wife).
How do you explain the book The Wave of the Future? It seemed to be a sincerely held conviction to me, and by the way a “true” isolationist could certainly argue for an increase in armed forces as a deterrent to future attack, even if that person didn’t think attack was imminent (Switzerland had a lot of military training and preparedness despite its sincere isolationism—that is, neutrality). Here’s a description of the book:
Harold:
I don’t see how it could be genetic, considering the prevalence of changers like me.
You all might want to take a look at this particularly noxious US bred moron:
Barbara Lerner Spectre
Watch her babble:
Barbara Lerner Spectre calls for destruction of Christian European ethnic societies.
Look her up, she’s constantly in contravention of Rule #1!
Now, if we could arrange to have that nitwit in a breeding arrangement with Descho it should produce some fine additions to the US Jewish Libtard zoo ….
Neo you are so right about renouncing Obama being the first step to leaving the Left. My mother is evidence to it. Should could not believe her beloved Democrat party elected Obama who she believed was an anti-Semite and watching her transformation over the past 6 years has been remarkable. Today she sees the media biased she always denied,as a retired teacher she now sees the failure within public schools systems and has even changed her mind about guns. It’s been amazing to watch. I also agree with you about Dershowitz being too invested in Leftist circles to change though, it’s sad. I don’t know how anyone with a conscience could be on the Left today.
Barry Mieslin:
It is indeed tragic to me to realize how many of my friends and family still support Obama (although with most of them I haven’t had the stomach to ask, so perhaps they don’t, but they certainly did until very recently).
But I believe that if it came to it, Dershowitz would still vote for him over the Republican, because of his liberal domestic agenda. Dershowitz is terribly terribly afraid of conservatives getting hold of a SCOTUS majority if a Republican wins (the Court is the focus of that 2012 endorsement I linked to).
Dershowitz knew even before his 2012 endorsement that Obama wasn’t doing right by Israel (see this and this). The latter contains this from 2010:
See also this—warning that Obama could easily be the “Chamberlain of the 21st century” on Iran. That was in February of 2012.
Dershowitz saw the writing on the wall long ago—and yet he endorsed Obama anyway in 2012. I suppose you could say he was in denial, and now he’s not anymore. But I wonder if he isn’t still in some sort of denial. Or maybe it’s shock.
Outstanding. Just the man I want to hear from.
Do you think that you would know, or could accurately encapsulate what the term “freedom” means to them, practically entails, and where it ranks in their hierarchy of existential values?
This could be if you prefer a kind of connotative definition, rather than a denotative listing of socially recognized “permissions”. If indeed they do have a sense of being existentially rather than socially (and thus arbitrarily ultimately), entitled to freedom(s).
This is a very interesting point and one which – along with psychological “reactance” and a liberty “taste” (to use Haidt’s formulation) – illuminates an often disguised or hidden moral formation fault line.
The secular “contract” theory of social formation has of course obvious and serious problems with it. One being that as it applies to most polities, excepting perhaps ourselves, certain Greek colonies, and maybe earliest Republican Rome, it is simply historically, and factually false.
But what I have noticed from the other side, the unreflective “organics”, is the equally false notion of “society” as a reified being-in-itself; having its own rights, and imposing like a mother, rather than a contract, duties. In this “reality” many seem to justify their elitist or imperious attitudes toward the heavy lifters, by proclaiming their indispensability to the “hive”.
This observation does not apply to your friends since I have no idea what is in their minds. But I have been astounded at the number of political progressives for whom social insects seem to represent the moral paradigm to which their idea of humanity ought to conform.
They presume, that the other, should always be there for them. They feel entitled to his presence and to his use. They seem to lack a sense of reciprocal boundaries, although not hesitant at all to enforce their own.
It is a puzzle.
DNW Says:
March 24th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
They presume, that the other, should always be there for them. They feel entitled to his presence and to his use. They seem to lack a sense of reciprocal boundaries, although not hesitant at all to enforce their own.
It is a puzzle.
Let me try: Libtardism is a mental disease …
History will look at Dershowitz and conclude he was ridiculous, no different than the American electorate of 2008 and 2012.
DNW I would say they are devoid of a Soul
they only respond to the here & now
& fail to see the Creator in their fellow man
The islamists doing the beheadings as well
they have no soul
who could take a knife & cut off the head of a
thinking, loving, breathing, helpless fellow human
& claim it is a demand of the Supreme Being ???
They do not ask, what *kind* of a God can this be ???
Like an insect infestation, relentless, geometrical and souless …
Trying my hand at Libtard type demonization …
MollyNH Says:
March 24th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
G6loq, hateful bunch those Israli leftists, now you need to vote PC or *no more soup for you *…
Eventually you run out of other people’s soup ….
NNC,
Thanks for your response.
The truth is, of course, that we will never know.
(And so to paraphrase Tom Lehrer, “Speculate, speculate, speculate…”)
But my assumption is that Dershowitz, being a reasonable man himself, believed that Obama was (at least, mostly) reasonable and that he had America’s—if not necessarliy Israel’s—interests at heart, which is, after all, as it should be.
Of course, a serious problem with reasonable people is that they (mostly) believe that others are, like themselves, reasonable people. (The same would appear to be true, conversely, of paranoiacs. And thieves?)
Big mistake in this case; which is understable since nothing like Obama was expected or, perhaps could have been expected—or even imagined possible—by reasonable, uber-intelligent liberals like D.
But I believe that Dershowitz may well have realized his blunder. Perhaps….
Impossible to know, of course…..
It will be interesting, though, to see if America does survive these next 20 months.
And whether we will be able to witness the mettle of a person like Dershowitz (and perhaps like-minded liberals), who, realizing the stakes (perhaps)—and their own mistakes—will mount the barricades, bear their breasts and lead the counterattack against the usurper.
File under: Marianne (Faithful)???
Barry Mieslin:
I wonder, too. It’s not really just about Dershowitz; he stands for a lot of intelligent people who unaccountably stuck by Obama even in 2012 when things were crystal clear, IMHO.
So I’ve become more cynical about the ability of people to really change in a deeper way, although I certainly know it sometimes happens.
neo-neocon Says:
March 24th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Barry Mieslin:
I wonder, too. …
Why not ask? Does he have an e-mail?
Dear Professor Dershowitz.
Knowing what you did before you voted for Obama a second time, why did you do it?
Neo, interesting article, but this is a guy who spent a year convincing the public that OJ Simpson was innocent. Not because he believed it himself, because that would make him a moron, which he isn’t.
This is a person for whom winning and showing off his intelligence is far more important than any personal or religious ethical code. I don’t see the need to go further into character analysis on this one.
To be fair, the best hope for McCain was that it would be easier to hold him accountable. Analogous to Bush who went to great ends to address the ceasefire violations in Iraq that went unresolved while Clinton was distracted. While Obama commits violations of sovereign space and regime changes at will, with nary a murmur from the domestic and international space.
That said, Dershowitz is pro-choice, pro-abortion, really, on Party principle. He has a constitution that is capable of tolerating far more than a common man.
Show a little self-awareness, people. How many of you looked back in 2006 when things were going poorly in Iraq and said, “Gee, I wish I had voted for Gore or Kerry.” And if Bush had been able to run in 2008, would you not have voted for him over any Democrat? Why are you surprised that a Democrat would still support a Democratic president over any Republican even if that president has been a disappointment?
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I would not be in the least surprised if a Democrat voted for Stalin or Satan himself rather than a libertarian or conservative Republican. You could find nude, abused, and feces smeared 12 year old males chained to the walls of a Demo Presidential nominee’s bedroom as he left it in the morning, and the average Demo would probably still vote for him. They continued to vote for Barney Frank without so much as a skipped beat, after all.
David Corn would post articles on how the age of consent needs to be lowered.
It’s just that normal humans – i.e., non-Democrats – object to their perverting the political system in order to drag everyone else into their sweltering snuffling collectivist fever-swamp, so as to chain the albatross of their personal dysfunctions and in-capacities around the necks of the innocent; and then brazenly talking as if they have any worthwhile moral principles which they won’t transgress in the name of collectivist cost-shifting.
Other than that you have quite a point.
I think you missed my point, actually.
Not really. Although you probably do have a point to make there Steve, I just stood on top of it and made my own anti-Democrat speech; asserting in effect that the Demos are so much more morally depraved – virtually become members of an alien moral species – that parallels of this kind have limited explanatory value.
I would not in fact expect that a Republican upset with Bush over No Child Left Behind, or prescription drug coverage, would out of frustration vote for whatever Karl Marx disciple the Democrat party is running.
Some did however stay home.
And now we have a fascist “shared individual responsibility” health care mandate, distributing through a social insurance like mandate, the costs of Democrat autogenic and behaviorally induced disorders to non-Democrats. A covert wealth transfer its designer approvingly called it.
Like I said, they are a different moral species and the value of parallels with them is very limited.
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“Both the president and his chief of staff are acting like petulant children, and I’d very much like to have sex with both of them,” said Dershowitz.
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